The Herd with Colin Cowherd - FantasyPros - Fantasy Football Awards Show + Reacting to Our Preseason HOT TAKES! (Ep. 1930)

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

Relive the highs, lows and hottest moments of the 2025 NFL season by joining Joe Pisapia, Chris Welsh, Andrew Erickson and Scott Bogman for their fantasy football awards show and reaction to their pre...season hot takes! Is San Francisco 49ers RB Christian McCaffrey the Fantasy MVP? What makes Carolina Panthers WR Tetairoa McMillan the Rookie of the Year? Plus, how did the guys' bold predictions pan out? The Pros close the book on what was another wild year of professional football! Timestamps: (May be off due to ads) Intro - 0:00:00BettingPros In-Game Livestream - 0:00:41Trophy Talk - 0:01:19Fantasy MVP - 0:03:25Playoff MVP - 0:07:59Breakout Player of the Year - 0:10:50Rookie of the Year - 0:13:36Waiver Wire Hero - 0:17:38Sleeper of the Year - 0:22:05Bust of the Year - 0:26:18BettingPros Premium - 0:30:22I Told You So Award - 0:31:03Running Baks Are Dead Award - 0:33:29Hmmm Award - 0:34:30Rosie Clogger of the Year Award- 0:36:06Most Likely To Be the Juggernaut Award - 0:38:20Should’ve Had More Touches Award - 0:39:01Nobody Believed in Me Award - 0:39:16Mild Takes Exposed - 0:40:54Medium Takes Exposed - 0:44:54Nuclear Takes Exposed - 0:50:52Outro - 0:59:30 Helpful Links: Hard Rock Bet - All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sign up for Hard Rock Bet and make a $5 bet and you'll get $150 in bonus bets if you win. Head over to Hard Rock Bet, sign up and make your first deposit today. Payable in bonus bet(s). Not a cash offer. Offered by the Seminole Tribe of Florida in FL. Offered by Seminole Hard Rock Digital, LLC, in all other states. Must be 21+ and physically present in AZ, CO, FL, IL, IN, MI, NJ, OH, TN or VA to play. Terms and conditions apply. Concerned about gambling? In FL, call 1-833-PLAYWISE. In IN, if you or someone you know has a gambling problem and wants help, call 1-800-9-WITH-IT. GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER (AZ, CO, IL, MI, NJ, OH, TN, VA) My Playbook - Sync your league instantly to My Playbook to get custom advice on how to manage your team throughout the season. See your league’s top available players, power rankings, and more for free! Check the “Are They Playing” tool each week to get the latest game-day availability odds for all injured players. If you’re premium – you unlock all kinds of helpful waiver, trade, lineup and league analysis tools. You can even auto-start your team’s optimal lineup each week with Auto-Pilot. Sync your league and dominate every week of the season with My Playbook at fantasypros.com/myplaybook or on the FantasyPros App Follow us on Twitch - The team here at FantasyPros is taking questions all week, every week on Twitch. Follow us on Twitch at twitch.tv/fantasypros and never miss a stream! Discord – Join our FantasyPros Discord Community! Chat with other fans and get access to exclusive AMAs that wind up on our podcast feed. Come get your questions answered and BE ON THE SHOW at fantasypros.com/chat Leave a Review – If you enjoy our show and find our insight to be valuable, we’d love to hear from you! Your reviews fuel our passion and help us tailor content specifically for YOU. Head to Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever else you get your podcasts and leave an honest review. Let’s make this show the ultimate destination for fantasy football enthusiasts like us. Thank you for watching and for showing your support – https://fantasypros.com/review/ BettingPros Podcast – For advice on the best picks and props across both the NFL and college football each and every week, check out the BettingPros Podcast at bettingpros.com/podcast, our BettingPros YouTube channel at youtube.com/bettingpros, or wherever you listen to podcastsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:42 it's award season, baby. That's right. We're giving out the hardware for fantasy. And we're going to take a look back at some predictions that might have gone well, maybe not so well. We'll figure all that out. And speaking of awards,
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Starting point is 00:01:47 And, of course, subscribe to our Twitch, twitch. Twitch.tvies as well. Participation trophies. Welsh, you've got young kids. I know they haven't done as many sports stuff, more of the entertainment business. but when it comes to all the dance stuff, do you get a lot of the participation trophies in the dance world?
Starting point is 00:02:04 Oh, yeah, that's what it's built around. There's trophies and there's medals and there's seventh place and stuff like that. I feel like we're about, but all of that aside, I feel like we're about to get a whole soapbox about participation trophies. And this generation, and in my generation,
Starting point is 00:02:20 are you about to do that to us, old man? Are you about to tell us about how participation trophies and not fantasy owners aren't the real fantasy owners? That's how you sound. That is exactly how I'm out. Try not to get canceled as I started explaining what you should be like. Hey, Andrew Erickson, what's the greatest trophy you ever won in your life? Probably.
Starting point is 00:02:39 Getting here on time five minutes before the show. Yeah, getting here on time, five minutes before the show. I won a couple awards for bodybuilding, you know, 10. Oh, that's right. So those were. Give us one. Just give us a some, some flexes. Same.
Starting point is 00:02:54 Same. Same. Yeah, those were really hard to get. Bodybuilding is a very, very difficult sport, as I'm sure you can all imagine. So winning those types of awards and trophies because people will, it's very clear who put the work in and who didn't. It's very, very obvious to everybody watching. Did you make that transition on purpose as we get to Scott Bodman about putting the work in the work? Yeah, some of us put in the work, some of us don't.
Starting point is 00:03:21 That's true. And you can tell. Scott Bodman. You can tell by their face. trophy wise what matters more to you an individual trophy or another Steelers super bowl trophy I mean I don't have any individual trophies so I'll take the Steelers trophy that that's good with me I mean I mean I had a bunch of little league trophies I was the worst player on the best team so that that's the kind of trophy I got the glomon trophy the coat tail trophy so uh you know
Starting point is 00:03:51 I just look my trophy comes with the best line of every show that I do that's my That's a good way of looking at. All right, let's get to some hardware. Let's start with the big one here. The fantasy MVP. I'm going to give three nominees for every award. The guys are going to quickly discuss, do a little vote around the roundtable here, and we'll see if we can get a consensus winner.
Starting point is 00:04:11 Let's start here with the fantasy MVP, and we've got Christian McCaffrey, obviously a great season. So many, so many touches. My goodness, we'll see how that ranking works out. next year, a breakout incredible season for Jackson Smith and Jigba. I got to hand it again to our good pal Jake Sealy. He talked about him more than anybody else that I recall in the preseason. Some people liked him, but he loved them and he was 100% right.
Starting point is 00:04:37 And of course, Puka Nakua, who had a tremendous season and showed up when it mattered most in the playoffs with some big games, one of which beat me in a final. Scott Bogman pounded me in the submission there. So Boggs, I don't know if that's going to skew you, but who's a trophy. who's your vote for fantasy football MVP for 2025? CMC for me. And this was me, Eat and Crow a little bit as well. Like I've always loved CMC.
Starting point is 00:05:03 I was the biggest person on him coming out of college, I feel like. But the injuries adding up, you know, obviously a bunch of deep playoff runs, as the Welsh knows for his team. And then he only played four games in 2024. I thought maybe this is the back nine. He's had a lot of touches.
Starting point is 00:05:20 He went and got the secret sauce in Germany. or whatever it was, and he looked incredible. He scored, I think, 65 more points than JSN over the course of the season and a half PPR as well. So for me, it's got to go to CMC. All right. The Welsh, CMC is your boy. So are you also team CMC for MVP? I think he's the, I've got an award for him later.
Starting point is 00:05:42 This is not just the fantasy. Participation Trophy. Yeah, no, it's not a participation trophy. It's a very important trophy. It's a very good. Actually, Joe just kind of tease what the award name is. But we've got these actual awards. and then we've got some of our created awards coming up in a little bit.
Starting point is 00:05:56 And I'm also glad we're going to be looking, I think it takes, because I had a lot of positive takes on Christian McCaffrey. I'm sure those are the ones they clip. I hope they did, shutting people like Bogman up. But here's what I will tell you. Not a single one. That is not my pick. That's not going to be my pick.
Starting point is 00:06:11 I think he's the consistency award. I think what he did was phenomenal, specifically in the receiving game. I think it's Jackson Smith and Jigpa. And I do know from like a points per game perspective, he did score less than Puka Nakua. But I thought JSN just came out of absolutely nowhere, especially if you're looking at like the fantasy football MVP. You got to pair JSN with one of these guys. Like you had to take Puka.
Starting point is 00:06:38 You had to take CMC in the first round. You got to pair him with being, you know, I mean for like the first half of the season, like the number one fantasy wide receiver in the land. and he kind of tailed off a little bit towards the back end of the season. But I would say JSN is my pick. If you pare down the playoffs and if you go just week one through 15, he did score the most points per game and half PPR, 18.4 versus Pukenuku is 18.1. This is on fantasy pros. You can actually check the fantasy points per week.
Starting point is 00:07:09 So going through week in the playoffs, he was the number one guy. So I'm going to say JSN. JSN is the fantasy football MVP. one vote JSN, one vote CMC. Andrew Erickson, where are you putting your vote? I am enslaved to the spreadsheets to the numbers. And CMC scored more points per game than everyone that played football this year, not named Josh Allen.
Starting point is 00:07:34 So if that doesn't get you an MVP, I don't know what does. So give me Christian McCaffrey as the fantasy football MVP. All right. So there you go. So I think Welsh kind of was like, who's your pick though? Passive aggressive on us, getting us to, you know, It's like, you know, I love you so great, but I'm not going to vote for. I'm going to over somebody else.
Starting point is 00:07:50 That might have been the best deal. Yeah, I mean, maybe that's how I'm looking at it a little bit. Like, like, CMC. The best deal. But I think when you, when you're looking at terms of consistency, I would have picked JSN2. Because the amount of 100 yard games he had, the amount of, you know, 10 touchdowns there and, you know, the 17 games. To me, like, that's what I want. Consistency, 700 receiving yards.
Starting point is 00:08:11 And most people play PPR now to you. And I know, like, CMC had some really great games and was very consistent as well. but JSN was high-level consistent almost every single week. So that's where I would go on that one. Oh, you're with me. Okay. I am with you, actually. So we could split it.
Starting point is 00:08:25 Let's put it to the people. You two comments. With you against the Niner. Yeah. I mean, weird. What is happening here? Let's do a different kind of MVP, the MVP for the playoffs. Now, Puka finds himself in this list as well, as does Derek Henry, who crushed me and my hopes
Starting point is 00:08:41 and dreams and my most important finals. So that was great. And that same team also had Bijon Robinson on it as. well so welsh i'll let you go first in this one i know we all played in a lot of playoff games and a bunch of finals between the four of us but uh not all of them turned out the way we wanted them to turn out who do you think really carried people to that championship welsh well let's start with you on this one yeah i mean i'll i'll use um i'll use ericsson's line here if if you're going to be a product of the the sheets and the stats it's be jean robinson uh if you're
Starting point is 00:09:12 looking at week 15 through 17 and half ppr the number one non-quarter quarterback score and the number one, the number three overall player, all quarterbacks included was Bejohn Robinson. Bejohn scored 25 or more points in each of those three games. Like Puka Nakua had maybe one of the loudest. He had that like crazy, loud, ridiculous game that probably just vaulted people. But Bejon owned the playoffs. 15, 16, 15, 25.5, 16, 16, 27.4, 27.4, half PPR. I think Bejohn Robinson is going to take that mantle for me. Erickson. I agree with all the points that Welsh made about Bijam being the highest score weeks 15,
Starting point is 00:09:55 16, 17. And the fact that Bejon Robinson did it in the last game of week 17, Monday night, he brought teams back from the dead that were facing massive holes that were facing poop and Nakua. Oh no, I'm going to lose my matchup. You look out Bijon puts up a 30, 35 point burger on the Rams, but the Valgaid's being massive underdogs, it's Bejohn promise in for me. All right, Boggs, clean sweep here. Hook him. RB4, RB5, RB2, by the way.
Starting point is 00:10:23 I want to say puka because that is what beat you for me in the championship, Joey. But it's got to be Bichon. Bejohn, give me the mustard man here. And by the way, shout out to Mr. Travolta. I keep forgetting to mention him. Won the out of bounds championship against him. Yes. Mr. Travolta, congratulations on your championship.
Starting point is 00:10:43 But just haven't mentioned him for whatever reason. I forgot the last two out of bound show. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. So cool. I got to play with the league with Scott Bogman.
Starting point is 00:10:53 It was unbelievable. Bejohn Robinson, real quick. Yes or no? Number one overall pick next year? Boggs. Yes or no? Yeah. Erickson?
Starting point is 00:11:01 Sure. Well, less enthusiastic. Check, check. Yeah. Bring up the energy. Yes. Yes or no. And I only got one yes.
Starting point is 00:11:10 And I got two other verifications. Yes, sure. And check. Well, two factors. What the hell are you on. Joe. Yes. Intrac.
Starting point is 00:11:16 Two factor authentication. Make sure you're a human. For another text message. I got a fingerprint. I got a whole thing. All right. Let's go to breakout players of 2025. Your nominees are.
Starting point is 00:11:26 This one hurts a little bit. I know for Andrew Erickson. Tucker Kraft is on this list. He was so good before things went so bad with injury. Drake May, certainly another one of our favorites around here, especially in Superflex leagues. And George Pickens, who had a fantastic season. He's going to get that bank somewhere.
Starting point is 00:11:43 We'll see where it is. So Andrew Erickson, who was the breakout of 2025? Drake May, no debate. I will hear no other argument for any other player besides Drake May. Third highest scoring player in fantasy football behind. Only Josh Allen and Christian McCaffrey and half PPR scoring. He was a player that anybody could have drafted. Could have had Drake May on every single one of your fantasy football teams
Starting point is 00:12:04 where he was being drafted. He is the no doubt breakout player for me. Yeah, almost a thousand yards more passing as well. for Drake May over Josh Allen this year. 31 touchdowns of 25. Fantastic year, of course, Josh Allen's going to have more rushing yards. But Drake May at 450 to Josh Allen's 579. Look on here, it's the 14 rushing touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:12:27 It makes Josh Allen such a separator and fantasy, obviously. Scott Bogg, let's go to you, breakout player of these three dudes. Drake May is the Drake May of all Drake Mays. It has to be Drake May. And I also feel like you have shifted this. I feel like this award wasn't necessary here because it was. clearly Drake May and you just put it on here so we would have to talk about. You're like, hey, this guy that was out half the season, we could throw him in here.
Starting point is 00:12:51 Like you might have, you might have definitely like waited the biggest man child in the NFL, the guy who missed half the season or Drake. The biggest man child. Or the EU. Well, who do you want to take here for breakout player? Yeah, it's Drake of May. He's the clear cut. I will say just to point out. If you want to write in somebody right now, you can, but you're going to piss off the graphics department.
Starting point is 00:13:12 I do not. I do not. Tell me the five best quarterbacks of all time. Yeah, Drake May, Drake May, Drake May. Hey, hey, hey, you guys want to hear a fun fact about Drake May? Yeah, sure. I love Drake May. That's a great fact.
Starting point is 00:13:26 That is a great fact. That's a really good fact. I'll just, I just want to point out, though, George Pickens did fit broke. Thank you. There's a classic bro. Phil don't know what I was so upset about. That we were talking about anybody. I don't think it matters.
Starting point is 00:13:38 I don't think it matters. No, it doesn't. I want to Pachins, George Pickens, Weeks, Weeks, Weeks, Weeks one through 17 was the third in points per game as far as wide receiver. Very, very impressive season. Obviously, he's vaulted himself into like a wide receiver one. This is Drake May by landslide. There weren't a lot of breakouts, I feel like, this year.
Starting point is 00:13:56 I mean, it was a very strange fantasy season. So it's just called this the Drake May Award. Well, next year we will, but we had to give it to him first. And then we'll, the inaugural Drake May breakout player of the year. That's what we're going to call it next year. All right, let's talk about rookie of the year nominees. Tederoa McMillan for the Carolina Panthers, Travion Henderson for the New England Patriots
Starting point is 00:14:15 and R.J. Harvey for the Denver Broncos. Welsh, let's kick this off. Who is your pick for rookie of the year? So this is hilarious just because this kind of comes back to something I heart maybe annoyingly on, is that like Travion and R.J. Harvey, they did do the thing that I always complain about where people are like, oh, this is the second round player.
Starting point is 00:14:35 You should be super valuable. And then they're not valuable for like seven or eight weeks. And then they're amazing. And everybody's like, I told you so. And it's like, well, you practically cut the guys. The guy that doesn't fall along that list is Tetaro and McMillan. Trayvon Henderson, immense talent. And we saw it full bore.
Starting point is 00:14:50 RJ Harvey definitely had his moments. But to me, this is Tederoa McMillan. Again, looking weeks 1 through 17, we don't care about 18. Tederoa in a total points was 13th overall in wide receivers. So that is number one, wide receiver two of the game. I thought he was consistent. I thought he lived up to his value. Trayvion and RJ Harvey Harvey did not do that on a week in a week in a weekout
Starting point is 00:15:11 basis. So I think McMillan is the clear rookie of the year for fantasy full bore. I just want to say this, the, the shot here of R.J. Harvey in the orange crush uniform with the blue helmet. God, it's such a good look. That is the old, the throw. He might be, but the throwback Denver Bronco blue helmet there with the big D. The orange crush. That's pretty elite. That is pretty elite. There's an elite throwback uniform. Scott Bogman, rookie of the year is who? I'll be different. I'll say Trayvion Henderson. And it's not his fault. He didn't get the ball for half the year. He still average more points per game than all these guys.
Starting point is 00:15:43 So I think it's got to be Trayvion. You know, he was, he was a factor in special teams before this as well. We're talking about fantasy. It's a little closer as well. But you can pick any of these guys. They are all very good. The numbers are all very similar in terms of points for game. But Trayvion and Henderson did it on fewer touches than the other guys.
Starting point is 00:16:04 So give me Trey. Erickson, want to break the tie here? Yes, I am not buys in any way because I did bed on. that's Robert Millen to win offensive rookie of the year in the offseason. One of my only futures bets that actually might have a chance of hitting, as we start to see. But he's the favorite to win offensive rookie of the year in the real life NFL and somewhat connected to how they do as fantasy producers.
Starting point is 00:16:26 To Welsh's point, he was the only one of these rookies that was actually productive for the entire year. From week one, he stepped in as the alpha in a Carolina Panthers passing attack, 17 or 18 weeks of Bryce Young as his quarterback. and he manages his way to get to over a thousand receiving yards. In this amazing running back class, we had zero guys hit 1,000 rushing yards, but we had one receiver hit 1,000 receiving yards,
Starting point is 00:16:50 and his name was Tetharoa McMillan. So I like team at here. I wanted to, and I was like, you know, I just don't know, Genti. I mean, Gentie was kind of lackless. He had the yardage sorrows. I mean, I wouldn't have voted for him over these guys, would you? I think, too, it's not even about like the rookies
Starting point is 00:17:06 versus somebody of rookies. And I would agree, I don't think that Gentie, anyone that drafted him. Again, you look at the counting stats. Denti finished ahead of most of these guys, but it doesn't matter because of what he drafted him. 120 more touches probably. Right, exactly.
Starting point is 00:17:18 Right. And I would say too relative to the position, TMAC, wide receiver two for fantasy was really bad this year. So if you actually had McMillan as your wide receiver two, that was an edge that you had every single week because he was significantly better than a lot of the other wide receiver twos and threes that were really bad.
Starting point is 00:17:36 But at running back, so many of the veterans were excellent. this year. So you didn't really have an edge with either Harvey or Henderson, especially in the beginning of the year where, I mean, look, people were cutting Trayvon Henderson. Can the MVP really get cut or rookie year really get cut? Again, obviously, both had second half surges with high in spike weeks, but the full body work for counting all 17 weeks, I would give it to TMAQ. You only had two touchdowns, by the way, for the first 10 weeks of the season. They both came in one game against the Cowboys. Then, after week 11, he had a bunch more. He had five more down the stretch.
Starting point is 00:18:08 So I'll go along with Teddera McMillan as well. WaverWire Hero nominees again, I think this one's a slam dunk, but we'll see what the guys have to say. Michael Wilson. Oh, boy, when Marvin Harrison Jr. was out, Michael Wilson played. He bawled out. Rico Dowdell, not too shabby. Guy almost 1,000 yards rushing there off the waiver wire. And then Matthew Stafford, a potential league MVP for those of you who lost Joe Burrow early on.
Starting point is 00:18:34 Or, you know, we're just looking and trying to find some quarterback help. Well, Matthew Stafford certainly was that. Scott Bogman, who was the WaverWire hero in Yermont in 2020? I mean, this one is absolutely not close. It is Michael Wilson in a landslide. The only reason Matthew Stafford was a waiver wire guy is because he had the back thing going into the season. I think if he hadn't had that, I think people would have been way more high on him. Rico had a great year, you know, taking that job away from Chuba, definitely worthy of being a nominee here.
Starting point is 00:19:05 But it's Michael Wilson and a landslide here for me. I had over a thousand yards. Dude, never stayed healthy at Stanford. So does team stay healthy with the Cardinals and be as productive on a week-to-week basis? Specifically when you have Tray McBride, you have Marvin Harrison there as well. You have other big targets for him to be one of the better targets on that team, one of the better players on that team was very impressive. So Michael Wilson for me.
Starting point is 00:19:29 Yeah, the first seven weeks of the season, he had basically 150 yards receiving. Just to keep that at mind. Welsh is it, Michael Wilson, the landslide for you as well? Yeah, I mean, I guess like there's a little part of me that wants to like start picking Nits a little bit on this because like Matthew Stafford was like the third highest scoring quarterback. Like if if we truly viewed him as like the waiver wire like I don't know man like he carried your team. I think what Michael Wilson did is is incredible. But like I'm falling into the like I kind of don't consider Matthew Stafford like the waiver wire. Like he's in the quarterback streamy type of world and I think he got picked up and was held at the beginning of the year.
Starting point is 00:20:06 So like the truest sense of the world, like Michael Wilson was that. That was halfway through the year. This guy did it in the entire second half. He hit a thousand yards. Absolutely was able to be like a wide receiver two in carrying teams. So I, I'm going to say Michael Wilson is the guy, but there's kind of like me wanting to pick apart the idea of the waivers because like we can't dismiss Stafford. The number three scoring quarterback is like as like 46 touchdowns, 4,700 yards passing.
Starting point is 00:20:32 I do not think you can dismiss Matthew Stafford. But like Boggs said, this isn't even close. and you are inferring that this isn't close, and I don't know if you mean because it's Stafford. I don't think that Stafford would have been a waiver wire guy had he not had the back issue going into the season. But he was. He went from do not draft.
Starting point is 00:20:48 Oh my God, this guy can't move to possibly league MVP. So you know what? Actually, I've been to have to say Stafford. I'm sorry, I'm going to say Stafford if we are holding true to this. Because I want to be like, no, this isn't a true waiver.
Starting point is 00:21:00 But if we are truly counting him, he was a third highest scoring quarterback, he carried you the season. He was ridiculous. It's Stafford. It's Stafford. It's Stafford. Dowdell, Wilson, who is it?
Starting point is 00:21:12 It's not Rico Dowell. It's not. Well, you have to have three guys for the graphic. I did my best here, okay? No, no. Hey, credit to you, Joe. He's worthy. I guess for me, it's a pretty good year for Rico.
Starting point is 00:21:24 Just saying, like, he fell off a cliff. He was a good month. He was good three weeks. He was not, he was not helping people out in the playoff week. So for me, it's, it's Michael Wilson. I kind of feel similar to Welsh where, Matthew Stafford, yes, technically he qualifies as a waiver wire player. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:21:40 It just doesn't feel like he was. At least I'm on one of my leagues I played in where he was available. So I'm discrediting, again, according to the numbers, he was a waiver wire guy. So I do think that he does make sense here to be up for this award. But when it comes to, again, wide receiver two was one of the worst positions in fantasy this year who rose above that. His name was Michael Wilson. And the thing with Michael Wilson, there was no hesitation on, oh, do I start this guy or
Starting point is 00:22:04 not. Is Marvin Harrison Jr. playing or not? If he wasn't playing, Michael Wilson, his production was the same as Pooka Nakuwa, who we've already talked about in two separate awards already on this show. So 19.5 points per game, Michael Wilson. He was the wide receiver four and points per game, wide receiver three overall from week 10 onward. So when you needed a boost the most in your fantasy lineup to make a run, it wasn't a rookie running back. It wasn't one of these rookie receivers that was fueling your lineup to a championship. It was Mr. Michael. Wilson doing that. So he is my waiver wire hero. All right. So there you have it. Michael Wilson gets the award. Let's go to the sleeper of the
Starting point is 00:22:43 year nominees. I looked on the fantasy pro sleeper list. I got to tell you, it was ugly. Okay. I went back and looked at the rankings. If I read you some of the names on those sleeper rankings, ooh, depressing. How is Bill not on here? How is Bill not on here? Well, I, because I think he got He got hyped to the point where he wasn't a sleeper anymore. That was lame. He actually got the draft season. It's true. He was.
Starting point is 00:23:07 All right. So Kyle Monon guy, my guy, your guy, everyone's guy, Wondale Robinson, Kyle Pitts, senior. Erickson, I don't like anybody was bigger on Pitts on the rebound than Fitsy. Credit to our boy, Pat Fitzmore. Absolutely. Who is the sleeper of the year from these three guys? Yeah, it's Kyle Fitz for me.
Starting point is 00:23:23 He is the quintessential post, post, post, post, post, post, post, hype sleeper. But he ended up finally hitting here. He was the tight end two overall in fantasy. and that week 15 game to kick off the fantasy football playoffs with a 40-point performance, a historic tight-end game on primetime, on Thursday night football. Everyone's going to always remember where they were
Starting point is 00:23:44 when Kyle Pitts had that game. I was here at my house watching it on my TV. It was fantastic. Kyle Pitt's sleeper of the year. All right. Bogman, who's the sleeper of the year for you? I mean, for me, it has to be Juan Dale. I feel like I was the only positive one on one tail going into,
Starting point is 00:24:01 the season, specifically in PPR leagues. And we argued on a show here with Jake Seeley. He's like, Juan Dale needed 150 targets to get 96 catches. I'm like, well, what is going to be the difference this year? Still going to get those same catches. And he did. And he was free in every league. So Kyle Pitts was still a tight end one on most rankings.
Starting point is 00:24:22 Kyle Menangai was drafted in most leagues as at least a handcuff. Juan Dale was kind of free. He was either drafted very late or on. undrafted in a lot of league. So it's got to be Wondale for me. Yeah. And see, JCM was a guy that by the time we got to that like big draft weekend,
Starting point is 00:24:38 he was not a free guy, not even close to it anymore. So I didn't put him in that at the end as well. So he did fit. Well, but look, he's still had a very good season. But look at these names,
Starting point is 00:24:48 Jaden Higgins, Marvin Mims, Cedric Tillman, Demario Douglas, Trey Harris, Rashad Bateman. Those were guys that were ahead on wide receivers. J.K. Dobbins,
Starting point is 00:24:58 Braylin Allen, Bachel Tutton, Ollie Gordon, Jade and Blue. It was a tough year. Yeah, a tough year for the sleepers. This was the RB and wide receiver rankings going into the year. Welsh, do you have a choice here? Yeah, I'm going to go with Wondell as well.
Starting point is 00:25:12 I will say the lot of this list is just like, Mononka feels like the only traditional type of sleeper. Like Kyle Pitts is kind of a squirrel, finds a nut type of thing where it's like every year, everyone's like, he's going to do it, he's going to do it. And it's like, okay, odds say he's going to do it at some point. And it took, you know, what, five years for him to finally do it. But I mean, I guess in that sense, like, you know, where he finished, he was awesome.
Starting point is 00:25:33 But I think Juan Dale was like, our friends weren't just like, okay, that's fun, Bogman. Our friends were mean to Bogman. Fitsy, Fitz, Fitz, I don't even remember this, by the way. Welles is reminded me. Oh, yeah. Sealy was rude. Wells remembers everyone that slighted him or anyone. I've always slights are the thing I remember the most.
Starting point is 00:25:52 Fitsy is the nicest person on the planet. You've never seen Fitsy so dismissive of anything in any discussion. than Wondell Robinson. Like everybody hated Wondell Robinson. So credit to Bogman on that. But yeah, I mean, he ended up finishing,
Starting point is 00:26:05 uh, again, using the week once or 17, not, uh, 18 finished 13 in total points. Like he was consistent. That was a huge value.
Starting point is 00:26:13 So I'm going to go with Wondell Robinson on this. But I think Kyle Pitts is a good option as well. Let me ask you guys this, because metal James made a good point. If we throw Alec Pearson this group, does he shoot up to the top? I think too little too late. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:25 I mean, because he was fun. He's better than Marvin Harrison Boggs. It's going to make a lot of money. I know somebody's going to pay him. But you know what's funny about Fancy when he goes after you, you're not prepared for it because he's so nice. But then when he cuts you, man, it's like getting shived in the yard.
Starting point is 00:26:41 You know, because he's so gee whiz. Oh, the round, it's not just the pain. It's also your feelings are hurt. Oh, my God. It's vicious, man. Agreed. You should see him on the golf course, too.
Starting point is 00:26:51 It's even worse. All right. Bust of the year. There we go. Some big time names and some first and second round talent that just didn't quite hit. Justin Jefferson, certainly depressing. He was a top five overall guy. Then Brian Thomas Jr. going the first round of many drafts.
Starting point is 00:27:05 And Ladd-McConkie going somewhere in the early second. These were three of the biggest busts potentially of 2025. So Welsh, why don't you start off with us? Who is the biggest disappointment from last year? Oh, I think like what was the award, the Drake May? I think we can name this award, the Brian Thomas Jr. The inaugural Brian Thomas Jr. I think Brian Thomas is hands down the biggest.
Starting point is 00:27:28 bust. I think Justin Jefferson feels it because it was so high, but I don't think that was also because of him. Ladd-McConkie was a dis... Brian Thomas was a disappointment at every step of the season with that high cost. I don't even think it's close. It is Brian Thomas. They all stunk, unfortunately, but this is the Brian Thomas Award moving forward. He ended up at wide receiver 43 at the end of days. So it's pretty far down there. Drafting him felt like the end of days too. Well, I can understand that. All right, Andrew Erickson, you were Mr. Brian Thomas Jr. last year and you could have been more right. But you were kind of, you were practicing a little bit of caution with him this year. So I don't know how many shares that you had of Brian Thomas going
Starting point is 00:28:12 into the season. He ended up with 707 receiving yards, just two touchdowns. Was he more of a disappointment than JJ, who was a top five guy? Yeah, this one is, is close for me between Brian Thomas Jr. and Justin Jefferson. And to your point about, you know, how many shares of Brian Thomas Jr. in my most important league, he was my keeper from last year because I drafted him so late, but super hyped about him. He wasn't on my roster to end the year. I cut him from my team. So that's why I'm actually going with Jefferson as the biggest bus because there was a point in the year where Ryan Thomas Jr. was cuttable. You weren't cutting Justin Jefferson. You kept playing Justin Jefferson every single week because you're like, he's going to turn it around.
Starting point is 00:28:48 He's got a great matchup and he kept killing you in your lineup. But Andrew, he did have 84 receptions for a thousand forty eight yards. How many weeks did he win you your week? Well, I'll tell you this. How about this? Through week nine at least, he was wide receiver 14. He was still wide receiver. I mean, like, that's usable.
Starting point is 00:29:07 He was a starting, startable wide receiver in the first half of the... There's not a point where you could put two or three weeks together where Brian Thomas was ever startable the entire season. I get the argument of Jefferson. But just to point out, he was at least the top 15 wide receiver through the first half of the season. I agree with that. I think the guy gets cut. I think DTJ.
Starting point is 00:29:25 That's right. I'm leading towards BTJ. Settle it for us, Boggs. Who's the biggest bust? Okay, so it's definitely Brian Thomas Jr. Right? Like, no question in my mind. It was Brian Thomas Jr.
Starting point is 00:29:35 Because he came in with not a lot of competition either. It's like Travis Hunter, the rookie was his competition. So they're throwing to Parker Washington. They're throwing to Breton Strange. They traded for Jacobi Myers and extended him. And Travis Hunter even went down. And Brian Thomas Jr. couldn't come out of this tailspin. So it's definitely Brian Thomas Jr., in my opinion.
Starting point is 00:29:55 But I'll say this. Like Brian Thomas Jr. ended up missing a couple games. So maybe he was dragging around the injury for a little bit longer than we thought and eventually missed those games. But when he came back, he wasn't that good either. Justin Jefferson had issues a quarterback. Obviously, McCarthy went down early. They had Carson Wentz.
Starting point is 00:30:10 They had Max Brosmer. Ladd McConkey had no excuses to be this bat. And he still was this bad. So I'll make the point for Ladd McConkey, right? Like you had Justin Herbert the whole year. And Quentin Johnson got a lot of receptions. They were thrown to O'Ronda Gadsden. They were throwing to Keenan Allen.
Starting point is 00:30:27 Even Trey Harris got in here and got involved a little bit. And Ladd kind of just, you know, for no reason. I think we can point the reasons out for the other two. For Lad, it was surprising because he didn't really have the excuses that the other guys had. So it's definitely Brian Thomas Jr. But I want to throw a little shade at Lad, too, even though I had zero shares. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers. And guess what?
Starting point is 00:30:48 We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there.
Starting point is 00:31:03 But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes.
Starting point is 00:31:24 I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Starting point is 00:33:54 Don't be a tool. And let us help you bet smarter or not harder with betting pros. All right, let's get to some awards of our own. And I have an award too. It's the I Told You So Award. And this year, it goes to one Sequin Barkley. I told you so. I said guys with 400 carries in his season the next year, they don't finish as RB1s.
Starting point is 00:34:14 And guess what? He finished as RB1. B-14. So once again, the historical data was out there. There was so much data that we made a funny video about it on Fantasy Pro. You can go to the YouTube channel and you can watch the short right now. Thank you. Shout out to Tyler who helped me make it there where we did the Incredibles where all the capes and the things the guys who would die because of the capes and superheroes. We did all the running backs over the last 20 years who had 400 carries in the next year, bottomed out, and they were Hall of Fame guy, Curtis Martin, Incredible Towns, Edger and James.
Starting point is 00:34:44 It doesn't matter how great you are. They all come falling down. Jamal Lewis did it twice. Sequin Barclay, not the year everybody was expecting. My favorite part of this, Joe, is that Sequin Barclay is almost as tall as you sitting on his back guy. I just, I mean, what is? Joe, where are your legs, dude? Why am I representing the Lottie Pop Guild?
Starting point is 00:35:08 I thought I was standing behind him, like standing over him. I thought you were on your knees. I thought you were on your knees. No, I thought it was just. just standing over him and there was a perspective until I saw the sneaker. Oh my God. You can see the moment. Where is you waste in this picture?
Starting point is 00:35:21 You can see the moment that I realized that your feet were at where kneecaps should be. That is, I want that on a shirt. We have to have that on a shirt. You know what? I also would like to say. AI always screws me over that stupid picture that you made a meet in baseball season where you look really funny and adorable and I look like a monster from the lagoon. Joe goes, I told you sewing. I'm going to tell you.
Starting point is 00:35:47 I also want an award for the, if I could have predicted what Joe Pisapeia's award title was going to be. This is the most, the I told you so is the most Joe Pizapia thing of all time. It's a burden. Joe Tadamas is not a burden with glorious purpose. It's a gift, but it's a burden too to have to bear this.
Starting point is 00:36:08 And then have the people tell you over and over again, no, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're on. Okay. I'm not wrong. I did the homework. the math. It's all there for you. I lead it out. Even did a funny video in case you don't like reading. What are you going to do? Put in the black book.
Starting point is 00:36:21 Special note in the black book. People still ignored me. Welsh, why did you give out an award? Because I know you got one you want to give. I have two awards. I want that. Well, you can only get a graphic for one. Oh, do I only have a graphic for one, Cali? You only get a graphic for one. Okay. This is the R.Bs are dead award. The running backs are dead award. And as you can see, well, we got quite a few names. is actually supposed to be six, or seven. Here are your R.B.
Starting point is 00:36:46 finishes in half PPR this year. McCaffrey, Jonathan Taylor, Bejohn Robinson, Gibbs, A. Chan, Cook, and Henry. All seven of those names are almost the order of running backs that you were taken. We have had so many years, so many years of it's like, okay, it's like running backs or wide receivers. They're the only safe thing to do and they don't return the value. Well, you want to talk about return value every single one of these.
Starting point is 00:37:12 is running backs. It was about the order that you got Christian McCaffrey stayed healthy. This is the running backs. They're not so dead. And this is the sarcasm award of it. And then I guess if we don't have the other award, I would just like to point out, uh, the other award was the, hmm, award. It's just called, hmm, and that award goes to Christian McCaffrey. The, um, award. Isn't it interesting? By the way, that's Welsh's version of I told you so is, thank you, Scott Bond. Wasn't it the same thing. Like, you just did what I did. Except you didn't call it, I told you so. I'm about to do it too.
Starting point is 00:37:45 I'm about to do it too. So don't worry about it, guys. I just made it better. I just made it better. I didn't make it so obvious. I am obviously because I'm transparent, whereas you like to kind of, you're that passive aggressive, I told yourself, not me. I'm just going to come out there and tell you I'm right or I'm wrong.
Starting point is 00:37:59 And I'll own it when I'm wrong. Whereas Welsh is going to be like, boy, if only somebody was smart enough to have said this at the beginning of the year, it's you. You're the person who is it weird. We're just the nice guys here. Yeah. Is that interesting?
Starting point is 00:38:10 But we're just super nice guys. Just point out the running back dead award goes to all the people that fade the running back. So they all came back through with the side award of the to Christian McCaffrey. And I'd also like to point out, why is the sideline? Is that like the 420 line right there? Look at that. That's the 420 line. That's the 0-0 line.
Starting point is 00:38:30 Of course. Everybody knows that. I would just like to know why you look like a frost giant from Mark. Well, that is a frost giant. That is actually more accurate in terms of the accurate size. I wonder how small my legs are in this. He only comes out at night with a full moon. That's what he does.
Starting point is 00:38:46 Look, there's no score. On the scoreboard in the AI picture, there's no score, there's no time, there's just zero. Yeah, that's wrong. That is, everybody's dead. All the points scored for fading all of the running backs. Running backs dead award, not so dead. All right, Erickson, pull us out of this,
Starting point is 00:39:02 tailspin, please. Speaking of pulling things out, the fucking roster clogger of the year award, Trey Benson, Jane Daniels, Garrett Wilson, these players that every single week I get questions about on Discord, on social media. Hey, do I drop this guy? Do I hold on to this guy? Because we got conflicting injury reports to all of these players all year long where we didn't know you could just outright cut them because, oh, well, no, it seemed like they're going to come back at some point. And then another week goes by, two weeks go by, four weeks go by.
Starting point is 00:39:34 And then week 16 comes and, oh, yeah, we're going to put this guy on IR. And he's never going to play again this season. So I'm giving these players the award of roster cloggers as you couldn't move them off of your team. You had to keep them on your roster because they were going to get picked up by somebody else. But in the end, all they did was waste a roster spot on your fantasy football team. So I think that the number one for me is probably Trey Benson because he had the perfect runout, right? The process behind Trey Benson was James Connor's going to get hurt. Trey Benson is going to step in as at RB1.
Starting point is 00:40:04 He had one game where he stepped in and was a brutal match against the CHawks. He immediately gets injured. it's underreported. And then the backfield turns into a three-man committee between Zonovan Knight, who actually could have been a waiver wire guy, considering how good or how serviceable he was and he was totally free. Michael Carter, Amari DiMarcato, just total nonsense in the Cardinals backfield. So Trey Benson, Jane Daniels, I experienced with as a guy that I didn't know what to do with.
Starting point is 00:40:28 And then if you held on to him and started him the last couple weeks of the season, he was terrible. Then he got re-injured again. And then Garrett Wilson. Aaron Glenn just lied to us straight up saying, oh, yeah, Garrett Wilson would come back at the end of the season. never comes back. Well, we knew that was never going to happen.
Starting point is 00:40:40 We knew they were going to shut him. I love, by the way, how Benson and Jane and Daniels are in their college uniforms and Garrett Wilson is still a jet in this art. That makes it actually good. Garrett Wilson led the jets in receiving yards, by the way. And he didn't have a catch after week six. After week six. That's amazing.
Starting point is 00:40:57 That's an amazing stat. Just for the record, Andrew Erickson here in this shot looks like the picture that comes with the frame. I look like a dwarf and Welsh looks like a frost giant. I've never seen a person happier to be holding a plunger. than Andrew. You don't know Erickson that well. You haven't parted a lot of money.
Starting point is 00:41:13 Those guys are pretty happy. Yeah. All right. Let's go to Scott Bogman. Your award, you got a bunch of awards. I don't know why you get three. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:41:21 I thought I had multiple, because I'm the best. So most likely to be the Juggernaut award goes to Cam Scataboo for sure. I mean, this is, by the way, this is my version of I told you so or award right here. Can Cam Scababoo spell juggernaut?
Starting point is 00:41:36 I'm going to say no. Who cares? He can run a movers. I know that. So, you know, obviously injured, but great year leading into that. I like how his robot legs because he didn't play the whole season. You gave an award to him. He played like eight weeks.
Starting point is 00:41:50 That's how he comes back next year. Again, this is my I told you so award. Should have had more touches award goes to Trayvion Henderson for sure. I mean, dude should have been getting these touches from week one. For whatever reason, Mike Rabel is going to be a hard o on rookies. So we just know that. Moving forward, that sucks. Hopefully Henderson has way more touches in his future.
Starting point is 00:42:11 And the no one believed in me award because I don't remember a single human being hyping up Javonte Williams at all, including any of us. And he had an excellent year for the Dallas Cowboys. So my awards are most likely to be the juggernaut goes to Camp Scataboo. Should have had more touches award goes to Trayvian Henderson. And no one believed in me award is Javante Williams. You know, the one person that I heard even really trying to talk themselves. into it. I remember being on a draft show at the end of the year with Fitsy. And Fitsy was like, you know what? I'm going to start taking Javante Williams just because I don't like, and he hated
Starting point is 00:42:48 Jaden Blue. Oh my God. Fitsy hated Jaden Blue. And he was like the way I hate Aaron Rogers. I feel like he hates Jayden Blue. He was the only one that I feel like was saying, you know what? What's the worst that could happen? I end up cutting him whatever. But the upside is he's a good back who starts every week on a really good offense. I think I actually, I had him in my, my draft guide on fantasy pros of the players you're drafting on the rounds because I had quite a few shares, but I definitely wouldn't, I wouldn't try to hype it up that I was like, you have to have Javonte Williams. I drafted him, I think, everywhere because- You weren't like Erickson holding a plunger hype. No, no, no, no. But I did like say, I'm drafting Javante Williams because everybody was like Jaden Blue, Jaden Blue.
Starting point is 00:43:27 It was all about him and it was just like no Javonte Williams. But, you know, you know, he's flying with the horns and stuff. I am so happy that this did not draw me. The AI did not draw me. Well, that's only because we didn't have standing photos of you. So we'll fix that. Thank God. Yeah, those are from our photo shoot. And people don't know that. Photo shoot in Vegas, they were able to take from.
Starting point is 00:43:46 Yeah, mine was right from the land of Oz. That's where mine was. All right, let's get to the last part of our show today, which is going to be a fun time because these three yokels decided to eat a bunch of hot wings and give a bunch of hot takes before the season started. And we're going to talk about how good some of those predictions were. So to begin here, let's start with Scott Bogman's Mildo take and see how it ended up in 2025. Let's start the hot takes off with Mr. Scott Bogman. We have got an Amarillo sauce,
Starting point is 00:44:13 which is a 30 to 50,000 Scoville. This take like this sauce is mild, but will it be sweet? I kind of thought this was a little bit of a sweet sauce. There was no burn, no hurt there. No burn at all. So does your... I'm feeling good about this. Does your hot take represent this sauce in our first mild hot take. My first hot take is that Cam Scataboo leads the New York Giants and touches this season. Kind of, you know, as instructed, this is kind of a mild take. And that's kind of where we're at with this one. Last season, Tyrone Tracy and Devin Singletary combined for 3164 combined touches.
Starting point is 00:44:51 A little hot on the back end, by the way. I got a little bit. Oh, you got it? Just a touch. Not anything bad at all. Yeah, yeah, your skin's not turning red at all. Keep going. So I do think Cam Scadaboo leads the New York Giants.
Starting point is 00:45:02 in touches in 2024 as a look. All right. Well, certainly things looked like it was going in that direction until injury, so Boggs and retrospect, how do you feel about that take? Not terrible, but obviously he didn't make it to the finish line here. So couldn't have done it,
Starting point is 00:45:17 but not a bad take. I don't like that we're using them from that show because I know, I know my other ones. Well, let's continue on and see where they end up. I know Eric's other ones too. Well, Boggan, why don't you follow Little Joe down the yellow brick bit road. Come on. Let's see what happens here.
Starting point is 00:45:34 Next up is Andrew Erickson's mild take. Let's see what Andrew was in on in 2025 back in August, I believe. All right. Can your take be hotter than this sauce or Scott Boggman? Yes. I'm coming out of the gates much hotter than the sauce. So I'm going with Drake London and it's just as the wide receiver one overall. That is my mild take. So I'm set the stage for the show.
Starting point is 00:46:00 Let's go. set the stage for a lot of hot takes, just starting out the gates with, I think it's a banger with Drake London. Second dab is, it's milling around a little bit, just letting you know, you get two in there. Like, that's a very good thought. It's milling around in there. This take is not milling around. This is a hot take.
Starting point is 00:46:17 Erickson has absolutely set the stage bogs. Well, Drake London finished overall, not quite there. But in terms of points per game, Drake London was seventh overall. Now, he did miss a significant portion of the stage. season. We all know that. Weeks 12 through 15, he was MIA. So again, kind of like that first one that Bogman had to the process was good. Just the results got to rail by injury. I think that's fair to say, right, Andrew? I think so, but I don't think that even before his injury, he was pacing to have that, again, because when I hyped up London, I'm thinking he's going to have the JSN season or the George
Starting point is 00:46:54 Pickens level season. So those were the guys that if you were, again, like Jake was the highest on JSN, Like, they should be rewarded. So I wasn't right here. Drake London was a fine pick. But where you had to draft him, you were drafting him ahead of JSN. So that was the wrong call. So I don't like this one. Welsh, as host of that show, looking back on it now, whose take was better?
Starting point is 00:47:17 Andrews or Boggs? Of those two? Yeah. Drake London was still seventh in points per game. Yeah, I would say London. Well, I would actually say that like Scataboo was on pace to do exactly what Boggs said and then his ankle went in the wrong direction. So like, you know, had that injury not occurred, I think Scataboo, that like take would have been big. But also like I was so thrown off because
Starting point is 00:47:42 Erickson came out the gates were like, hey, what's your mild take? And he's like, this guy will be the number one overall. I know. You're like, oh my God. Well, let's see what Andrew decided to hype up to the medium take. And so Andrews, it got no fear. Let's take a look. Andrew Erickson. I would like you to please lift your street wings and your sauce as, uh, And I want you to really dab. I'm going to go in for a second one. I feel very confident where we are heading here. I already did two of this one.
Starting point is 00:48:08 I'm good on two of this one. I actually do believe that Erickson has it might be the toughest going from this to what we're going next. So I want you to give a really strong dab. I'm going to dab it again on the rest of my teddy bear. If it'll come out. It doesn't want to come out for me. So you dive into it.
Starting point is 00:48:24 Apparently this one doesn't want me to go. Is it a sign from the heavens? Yes. I think it is. Oh, here we go. Oh, God. Okay, well, see, that's what happens. I shouldn't have done that. We are in our third range here.
Starting point is 00:48:37 This is the bold take. We went from mild to spicy to bold. Let's see if it hits you while you're going, and what is spicier, what you just ate, or what you're about to drop? And I think I know the answer. Tucker Kraft's going to finish as a top four fantasy tight end in 2025. The Green Bay Packers know they have to get in the ball. If Jordan Love is throwing more like he did in 2023, when he threw for over 4,200 yards, 32 passing touchdowns, I think Tucker Craft's going to have a monster season.
Starting point is 00:49:05 How are you holding up? Pretty good. Pretty good. This is nothing. I mean, you got some hot takes here, but you seem to be holding the best here. All right. Well, he ended up as tight end two in fantasy points per game. So Andrew Erickson, that feels like a W for you.
Starting point is 00:49:20 I mean, it was looking like an absolute home run grand slams until week nine happened when Tucker craft went down with the injury. So look, I think that. similar to the Boggs, Cam Scadabo selection and prediction, it was going to happen. But the guy went down with an injury. So. Well, but who knows? It stayed.
Starting point is 00:49:41 You know, Jordan Love got hurt. Things happened in the offense. Maybe there was a fade where that 12.7 fans points per game gets pulled down because of some of the injuries and some of the issues that happened. They could happen too. So you're saying I cashed out at the top. I'm saying take the win. I'm saying take the W. I didn't know.
Starting point is 00:49:56 Last year, it was not pretty. Take the win. You remember how bad. this is going to get. Debrough Fitz had to eat a lot of else last year. That's a bold prediction. Take the W. All right, let's get the Scott Bogman's next take here on the medium side. We are moving up the hot meter, my friends, with, what is this, a Scotch? Would you say Bonnet? Is it a Scotch Bonnet sauce? It is described as kind of like used for jerk chicken. I would say there's also not really any information. So it's a Caribbean type of sauce.
Starting point is 00:50:25 So we're going to go into this a little bit unknown. And Bogman, we are going to jump right back you. So that's part of the trick of this game. So what I would do is ask you to I will load up my teddy bear. You load up your dude. You know what I'm also to say? I say we should go higher. Let's go more than you would normally put.
Starting point is 00:50:44 So really dab that sucker on, okay? Let's really push the limits. Are you ready to push the limits? Push it does go. Here we go. Pretty sweet at the front. It's biting in the back. That one got, that one got, you know what?
Starting point is 00:51:02 They had me at the beginning. They got me on the back end. That one is a tackle on the five yard line. That one hit me a little bit, bogs. No? No, let me do, let me do one more. Yeah, we'll do one more. No, no, that's right.
Starting point is 00:51:15 You've got the third down of the sauces. How does your taste and your take? There it goes. I'm starting to struggle a little bit. Now I'm feeling it. How does your take measure up to this sauce? This one's, for you, Wellsheet.
Starting point is 00:51:31 Okay. Ricky Pearsall leaves the 49ers in receiving yards. Okay. Love it. I'm struggling a little bit focusing and might be getting a little bit red right now. Yeah, yeah. Starting to feel a little sweaty. I'm going to have a little milk.
Starting point is 00:51:50 Just one sip there. Well, you need a lot more sips of milk there for the Ricky Pearsall take there. He needs some milk. Get him some milk. Yeah, that was a terrible call. It was. But again, process, I think it was good. Process-wise, it was good.
Starting point is 00:52:08 The targets would have been there. The health was not. So you got a done by help. We hit the, we hit the ground going too fast here. So, so I'll ask you this because obviously the first year was kind of a watch for him with that shooting injury that this year, he was hurt most of the season. Are you going to be in or out on Pierce's all in 2026? I think his cost is going to be low, so I'm going to be in.
Starting point is 00:52:28 It just depends on how much he climbs up boards because I think he just played. most of this year not at 100%. So if he can get back next year, the skill is still there. But obviously not a good year for Ricky Pearsall at all. Her in the beginning, just never became that guy. I want to add something, though, with this call,
Starting point is 00:52:46 because Bogwin, Ricky Pearsall had more receiving arts per game than Joanne Jennings did. So on a per game basis, Pearsall was very productive. So, yeah, and he did, he just have three games. I think the end of the season he would, was better as well. Like the last three games, I think he was pretty good. So, well, she're missing 49. Are you in on Pearsall? He's starting to get healthy.
Starting point is 00:53:07 Potentially as a by low, or are you waiting to see what the four-in-enders do this off-season first? No, I think it is an off-season. He's a great by-low because it's going to be super, super low. But, you know, the 49ers also showed like they're going to spread the ball around a bit more. Joan Jennings. I mean, I think there's going to be some big movement in the wide receiver camps. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if Jennings is gone. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised. Obviously, Iyuk is going to be gone. Like, it's a great time to buy in on Pierosol. This take, just we can't even do the like scataboo. Like, how does ankle not turn? Like, like, this just wasn't right. But like there, we're the little inner working pieces that like
Starting point is 00:53:40 Ricky Pearson can be good. Uh, and hopefully, you know, he's going to be able to materialize that next year. This is not my worst take of this show either. Well, let's get to, uh, some more of the takes here. We got Erickson's nuclear take up first. We'll take a look at it. We are putting both together. This is Ghost Pepper and, uh, the Trinidad Scorpion for what I am going to get. is the hottest take of the show from Andrew Erickson. So Erickson, oh my God, you really dip that thing. Let's go. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 00:54:08 This is a bad idea. Why did you do that twice, Welsh? Oh, God. Because I did every single one twice. I couldn't end at the last one. You see? Oh, it's on Erickson. What's the hot?
Starting point is 00:54:20 Why does the take? I'm getting to live up to this. I'm getting to the take. So a Buffalo Bills wide receiver is going to finish as a wide receiver one this season. But it's not going to be Khalil Shakir. It's not going to be Keon Coleman. It's not going to be Joshua Palmer. It's going to be Elijah Moore.
Starting point is 00:54:37 Elijah Moore is going to finish 2025 as a fantasy wide receiver one. That is my hottest, spiciest take. Yes, I came to the table with a hot take that is worthy of being in the Trinidad Scorpion tier of hot takes. I think your take is hotter than the sauce. And I hate this sauce's stupid guts.
Starting point is 00:54:57 That is my hottest take. And do you guys agree? Is it hotter than the sauce? sauce or no? Yes. I think it's hotter than the sauce. And this sauce sucks. By the way, the salt worked better than anything else. I wish I would have done that. You know the great thing about this episode is too? It has such great rewatchability because I don't know, anything you just said outside of Elijah Moore. I heard Elijah Moore. So Bogman, I hope you heard stuff. I feel sick. I'm sweating like I would be if I was depending on Elijah Moore as one of my top wide receivers.
Starting point is 00:55:24 We have all officially completed our hot takes. Erickson, you seem to be struggling a little bit. What do you think? From the sauces to the tips. It hit all the back nine. My lips are on fire, right? Dude, it's the lips. It's the worst. That's why I kept grunting, I was doing okay. I thought, man, I'm handling this scorpion sauce pretty well. And then it just all of a sudden, my lips. Let us know. You're the man.
Starting point is 00:55:51 Doing two dabs on all of those? Incredible. I'm struggling a lot. And I did feel like I was going to throw up about five minutes ago. But luckily, I think I'm going to be able to save that for about. about five minutes from now to get out of it. Well, there you have it. Well, Andrew, you were right. It wasn't Joshua Palmer. And it wasn't Keog Coleman.
Starting point is 00:56:08 You're on your own pace there for a little while. But, uh, but. Should have to stop there. Should it just stop there. Elijah Moore. Well, I mean, the bill stopped there because they let him go. What team is even on? How many catches did he have this year?
Starting point is 00:56:23 We still got a chance then. He ended up with nine receptions and 17 targets finishing his wide receiver 137 this year. That, that take. was hotter than the sauce. That was hotter than the sauce. And by the way,
Starting point is 00:56:34 what are you eating their Welsh teddy bears? What was the little nuggets? They're just nugs. They're just nugs. They're just nugs. Yeah, these guys, that's what I had.
Starting point is 00:56:43 I had dino nuggies out there. We didn't, uh, I didn't have door dashed wings, uh, sent to me. I had, I had frozen wings, which were not good,
Starting point is 00:56:51 but no, I didn't bring nuggets to the table. The best part about that episode too, uh, if you want to talk about takes was me warning everybody to not touch your face, uh, after you eat. eat it and then almost immediately shoving my fingers into my eyes because I was screaming and
Starting point is 00:57:06 crying but that was so weird to look back all right well we got one more take I don't know if it could be possibly worse than that one so Boggman let's take a look at your nuclear take from preseason how is the hold up here before we get from purgatory to the river sticks is what we did here well Boggs unfortunately you're going to have it tough because you're going to go right into the next one but how are you holding up currently not great my lips are burning. Tongue is burning, mouth is burning. We are going into the final two takes.
Starting point is 00:57:34 The nuclear heat, as it's called, the Trinidad Scorpion. This is the, again, we're going to find out here in just a second. This is two million Scoville, but the heat rating is under the other. But this is seen as the hottest one. So we are going to double the Scoville. If that truly means we're doubling the heat, I don't know how I'm going to do it. I don't know if your takes are going to be able to match up.
Starting point is 00:58:01 So take a deep breath. The hottest of hot takes with the hottest of hot sauces. My final teddy bear in tow, Bogman, raise your wing, raise your Trinity and Scorpion. And give her a nice dab, a good one. Why does this look black? Oh, it is like black. All right. That is a lot, I think.
Starting point is 00:58:23 I think you guys can all see. I don't have that much. I know the smell it. Erickson just smelt it. All right. Bogman, quick, before you do it, I put more on mine. Yeah. Before we do it, will this be hotter than the take you're about to give?
Starting point is 00:58:39 Yes, 100%. Let's go. To the mouth. Get your milk away. All right, here we go. Get your milk on. It's disgusting. Oh.
Starting point is 00:58:49 Oh! Oh! It's awful. It's hot and awful. It just tastes bad. Why did we do this? Oh, is my question. Should I just do more of the ghost pepper that next? Oh, no, you got to try this one.
Starting point is 00:59:05 You want to mix it, you can be a champ. All right, Boggs, that one is not good. It's also bad hot. Is your take going to be any better than this? Dude is hitting me all late. This sucks. Yeah. All right, well, let's hear your final hot take of the hot takes episode.
Starting point is 00:59:18 Anthony Richardson finishes QB6. We don't even know if he's going to start right now. He may not start any games. and I'm going to say he finishes as QB number six. We wanted a crazy one, right? Nah! Obviously, the rushing total.
Starting point is 00:59:35 I'm saying this take like I'm mad at it. Yeah, it's the nose starts to run. And what were we talking about, Anthony Richardson? Yep. Right. This offense is Taylor made to make a big time quarterback for fantasy. It is a perfect offense to build around a good quarterback. Why?
Starting point is 00:59:55 Did I get it on my list? Oops. So Anthony Richardson, QB6. If he finishes, if he starts all 17 games, he's a QB1, no matter what. All I'm asking is a little bit more than that. So, good God. Oh, Boggs, you were on track there. Daniel Jones, QB 12 and fantasy points per game.
Starting point is 01:00:15 You were right about the offense, just the wrong quarterback. My point was that this offense is tailor made for a quarterback to succeed. So I think this is process over. Should have just stopped there. It should have just stopped there. Whoever the Colts quarterback is is going to be good. Of course, it ended up,
Starting point is 01:00:32 how could I have known Philip Rivers was going to get starts here, right? He'd been retired. Oh, man. What a hot take. That would have been. I wish we could go back in time and tell people, like, tell, until August 2025 us, hey,
Starting point is 01:00:45 you know, Philip Rivers is going to come back and play football for the Colts this year? Shut. Like, what? Like, all the crazy things that would happen. But what is your double COVID? And, I mean, what is happening?
Starting point is 01:00:56 How do we give? Like, go eat some ghost pepper sauce. You're a liar. Yeah, I will say this, though. They asked me to do that show and I said, hard no. I'm not doing that. And that was the best decision. Fun fact.
Starting point is 01:01:06 Most people babied out on that show. I was the only one that was willing to go the limit in the early on stages. And we had all these people continuously back out on that one. So that's what you got all the crying. Yep. Nope. And these boys, they did it. Hey, not only did we give terrible takes.
Starting point is 01:01:25 We also ate the awful hot. sauce. So there you go. And cried on camera. Do you guys still have the hot sauce? My cousin actually watched this show. I have it right here. I did not right now. I promise. I promise you. I had no idea we were going to do that show. I literally have it right here.
Starting point is 01:01:44 I'm going to go to Venmo. You tell me how much do you just. You just keep that hot sauce on your desk? I swear to God, it has been on my desk since we did that show. This is the one. This is the worst one too. I actually grabbed it. Dredis wants you to eat a full pickle with the scorpion sauce. You guys came forward. I think the trick is you also have to do it sensually.
Starting point is 01:02:02 I think that's also part of it. I got to tell you, the last sauce wasn't as bad as the second to last sauce because I feel like the second to last sauce has already burned. This was the one that was the problem. This is the evil one. Scorpion one was just disgusting. I also like that you said Scotch bonnet with Scotch bonnet, which is
Starting point is 01:02:20 Scott's bonnet. I did say, yeah, yeah. Well, I did that I corrected it. It was very funny. So anyway, some fun predictions, some fun awards, a good time. Who are your favorite award winners for 2025? Drop them in the YouTube comments below.
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