The Herd with Colin Cowherd - FantasyPros - Fantasy Football Podcast - Player Debates, Keeper Decisions, and Draft Rankings | Fantasy Football Q&A Livestream (Ep. 1655)

Episode Date: August 16, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas.
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Starting point is 00:00:30 you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. All right and welcome into fantasy pros live on Twitch. The NFL season is getting closer and closer. So of course, we've got another fantasy
Starting point is 00:00:43 football Q&A coming your way right here on Twitch.com. That's where you can follow us for all the live interactive content Monday through Friday. I'm your host Seth Wolcock. NFL training camp and preseason continues to roll on and break it all down
Starting point is 00:00:58 from a fantasy perspective and answer your questions is Derek Brown. D bro, how are you today, my friend, as we are yet one day closer to it all getting going here. Bro, the voice is doing a little bit better or a little bit worse depending on the minute. But no, man, I'm excited. We saw the James Cook contract announced, of course. I love it when NFL news breaks right when I'm trying to get my kids ready and out
Starting point is 00:01:24 the door and stuff. So I'm trying to like get notes updated. I'm yelling at the kids to put shoes on and stuff. and it was the first day of school. So, you know, it's at its own time table, maybe NFL runs at its own timetable. First day of school on a Wednesday? Yes, sir.
Starting point is 00:01:38 That's how they always do it in Texas, man. It's like a full day on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and then they start the next week. And I'm like, what if you just start a Monday, dude? We're getting soft. What are we doing here, man? Yeah, you know, back in my day, we used to go five days a week.
Starting point is 00:01:52 But, you know, maybe that was too long ago. But, no, glad to hear the kids are back in school. That means year full, steam a heck. on the season. So excited to get inside all those thoughts, all the changing opinions you've had over the past 40 hours or so since you've been back on the ground. And go ahead, guys, drop your questions below.
Starting point is 00:02:10 Be sure to get to them. And after the program, make sure you check out the Fancy Bros. YouTube channel and the podcast feed. Some really fun episodes are out there right now. Some short form content as well. You should be checking out. And looks like we already have some friends checking in with us today.
Starting point is 00:02:23 The podcast, by the way, Seth, top 10 in sports podcasts. All sports podcast, baby. this morning. We are Let's go. Boom, baby. Let's go. Appreciate that. That's awesome.
Starting point is 00:02:36 That's because of everyone hanging out with us. Yes, every time like Thotthomus Prime and Nick, Steeler also saying, thanks, guys. I've had a rubbish day until now.
Starting point is 00:02:46 Dude, look, that's what's all about, man. I, you know, I've had those bad days and you get in with your favorite podcasts,
Starting point is 00:02:52 your favorite creators and you'd hang out with them and it makes it a lot better. So Nick. Otomus Prime is, is an elite screen name. It is. It absolutely elite.
Starting point is 00:03:01 Yeah, 100% there. Nick, thanks so much for hanging out with us, man. Glad your day is getting a little bit better. And Mike saying, I can top that. My kids had their first day on a Friday. On a Friday? What's going? Well, I'm to get into routine.
Starting point is 00:03:16 Tough scene, mayor. Tough scene. At least, you know, your kids only had to do the one and then the weekend and stuff. So there's that. So, geez, geez. God bless you. God bless you, mayor. And thought to miss.
Starting point is 00:03:27 Also asking thoughts on Tori Horton. in Dynasty. Derek, I know he was someone, I think you liked the tape a little bit from Mr. Tori Horton. How do you feel with the landing spot? Of course, JSN in action out there. And of course, Cooper Cup hanging out as well.
Starting point is 00:03:42 So do you think there is room for Horton to make a splash with Sam Darnold at quarterback or do you think a change would have to come for that to happen? No, I mean, right now I think NBS has actually been working with the second team. Horton's getting reps at the first team. And he's flashing in camp, man. He's a guy, yeah, we talked about on the end of him. draft show for fantasy pros and he popped in a number of ways man like the the 2024 injury shortened
Starting point is 00:04:04 season but three 24 five yards per route run you also go further back in his collegiate career he was 22nd in yards per route run in 2022 like i'm just i'm obviously reading all of this stuff off of my ricky wide receiver primer i liked him a lot man my com for him coming out because he has that ex um that ex clasher kind of style can stretch the field he's a contortionist in the My comp for him coming out was Marvin Jones, dude. So, like, I like Gordon a lot. And, I mean, him or Elijah Roya, we are one Cooper Cup injury away from one of those guys fighting. I mean, both of them fighting for number two in the target pecking order for Seattle.
Starting point is 00:04:45 And it's not like Cup has been the picture of health. And I'm not forecasting injuries. But at this point, his career, I mean, we can kind of say, like, that's part of what's been the issue the last few years for Cup. Yeah, I completely agree with you, man. And I first laid eyes on Tori Horton back in the Rocky Mountain Showdown. I believe it was two years ago at this point. Game Day was there. And I was like, man, who is this guy?
Starting point is 00:05:08 Like, he was the one guy on Colorado State that I was kind of impressed with. So I let you as a prospect, the landing spot I'm okay with. I think it will get better. I don't think it's going to be like a year one pop or anything for him. But I think he's the guy you kind of sit on Dynasty. If you have a taxi squad, you throw him in there. where would you be taking him right now in rookie drafts? Like right now, ECR for dynasty rookies.
Starting point is 00:05:31 He's 36 overall. Does that sound about right, late third, early fourth round? Good question. As far as Superflex goes. I've got Torrey Horton, so I'm looking at where I had him. Yeah, I mean, he would be, so Superflex ranks, he would be, yeah, I've got him at 53rd overall, but like some of that I probably need to, should have, like, move him up some. I'd say somewhere of like anywhere because dude the thing about it is like once you get into the late third round it's all bets are off dude like that's the point where you're just taking your guys so at any point like you could put Tori Horton right there in that like Isaac Tesla Pat Bryant, Ehrlich Amnor like that kind of file them and I don't think it's wrong and that's kind of like so the conversation for Horton starts like in the 30s so like you know late
Starting point is 00:06:24 like mid third, late third, totally. Okay, okay. Awesome. Awesome. Love that. Bam Bam, Branson hanging out of us saying go birds. Let's go.
Starting point is 00:06:34 Go birds, man. And we also have Bam Bam saying breakfast sando of the day boys, pork roll, egg, Cooper Sharp Kaiser roll. Also had some tasty cakes, candy cakes to make it through the morning meeting. Are you-Ban living his best life here? I love it. Yeah. Are you pork roll guy, Derek?
Starting point is 00:06:53 Is that something you before? Okay. Yes, I'm totally down with that. I haven't had a ton of stuff. I love breakfast sandwiches, man. Breakfast sandwiches like some, like you had that or like on a bagel. Yes. Yes.
Starting point is 00:07:05 Yes. Yes. All day. All day. Listen to this, man. So when I first met my fiancee, she like outlawed. Every time I would eat a English muffin, she would like just roll her eyes at me. And I was like, what?
Starting point is 00:07:18 And she's like, that's so dry. That's so dry. And like, her- She is not wrong. But her dad would eat one every single day when she would grow up and she would never eat it. And now, like, all of a sudden, like, two months ago, she just started, like, loving these. And, like, she's all about the English muffin life. I'm just like, why am I getting Shane, though, for like eight years of a relationship for eating anything on an English muffin?
Starting point is 00:07:41 Do people change? No, you know what that means? It's probably that however her parents cooked it. Because I dealt with this growing up. Like, my parents couldn't cook anything. Like, it was horrible. So like I didn't know what I like I hated steak for the longest time because my mom would butcher it. It was like well done.
Starting point is 00:07:58 You're like the only flavor you're getting out of the steak that was cooked in my house growing up. Yeah. Like you were dipping it in something else. Sure. Like I grew up loving A1 and yes, I was a ketchup with steak guy because my mom would butcher the steaks. It was horrible. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:08:12 That could be a similar situation as that. Like I will say that the thing to set it off like English mutton muffins, you need something as a buffer there. whether that's something like what a lot of times it's cheese or something like that to kind of interact the dryness yeah yeah yeah um or if like you know maybe your dad was like a habitual like he liked the crunch and he would leave it in the toaster for too long or something true true and i will say shout out to your fiance she is an absolutely wonderful human definitely your better half getting into me her expo as well ma'am yes yeah yeah field yates told me once on a program that uh there are reachers and there are settlers in life i'm definitely
Starting point is 00:08:49 a re-shirt. Oh, you out-kicked the coverage. You definitely out-kicked. No doubt. Shout out to the fiance. Absolutely. Shout out, Katie. We appreciate you. Nick asking in the chat, if you draft a top-free tight end, do you ever draft a second or just wait for waivers? What do you think, Derek? Are you using a roster slot on an extra T.E or no? Nope. There's no point. Like, this kind of goes back to the best ball motto. Draft like you're right. And if you draft them like you're right, like, now if you wanted to take a shot on a guy like at the very end of like last round or somebody like an Elijah Royal I get it
Starting point is 00:09:21 I'm fine with that but like that's really comes down to like leagues where it's either a 14 team or a 16 team or so like deeper leagues that's where I think it's more implicable or teams where you've got a deeper bench so like you're rolling six maybe seven deep or something
Starting point is 00:09:38 like that maybe there's some shaller formats so really it has to be a deep bench because dude again this comes down to like if you're driving like you're right. If you're spending up for the elite tight in, you are paying that premium for them to be a difference maker at a onesie position. And if that doesn't happen, you were already behind the eight ball anyway. So why are you like, to me, the later rounds are you take shots on rookies and wide receivers and running backs, whether it's RV2s on depth charts or wide receivers that we think like
Starting point is 00:10:06 Tori Horton that could be like a guy where maybe they evolve into a weekly flex spot. So no, I mean, I'm, if I'm paying up for a tight end in almost every single format outside of what I talked about, deep benches or deep leagues, no, I'm not drafting another tight end late. Like you're basically, you're hedging and it's like at what point? Because you already made the bet, so stand with it. Yeah, I'm with you. The only time I have dabbled into getting another tight end when I do draft the top three guy is like Titan premium. Right.
Starting point is 00:10:38 That's really the only time. Yeah, yeah. But then you're, then you're just saying that. Like those guys are going to equal like wide receiver three. Right. In that kind of format. Yeah. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:10:48 Yeah. Like I think I took a George Kittle just because he was falling too far. And then I think I grabbed the Tyler Warren late because it was the keeper league. I'm like, I might keep Tyler Warren next year. So love that question though. Nick. Thanks for hanging out with us so much today, man. Hope your day continues to improve brother.
Starting point is 00:11:03 And then we got another question here from our guy, M3R CK 3D. So how are you pronouncing that? I guess we're going murked. Like these are back to the back backwards ease. Dude, the backwards, guys, I just got to tell you, the backwards ease, it really get me. Sometimes I think I'm dyslexic when I read them because it just doesn't go down. I mean, both can be true, Seth. True.
Starting point is 00:11:29 I just joined a 12 team half PPR league, one quarterback, two running back, two wide receiver, two running back slash two, a wider seer tight end flex, one tight end, one kicker, one defense slash special team. and it got a couple of bench spots as well. This is a weird format for me. What strategy should I have going into this? I'm used to a 10-team league and best ball. Is premium tight-end as important as in 10-team leagues? Should I prioritize either a tight-end or a quarterback in the first three or four rounds?
Starting point is 00:11:58 With this many flex spots is running back a little more important than wide receivers. So convoluted question from a guy Merck, Merck, how do you help them out here, Derek? I mean, and so going from a 10 to a 12-teamer being strong at the onesie positions, isn't as imperative. I'm not saying that it's not still viable. And we've talked about this on a number of shows. The ability to pay up for both in a premium quarterback and a premium tied-in and 12-teamer is you're going to sacrifice somewhere.
Starting point is 00:12:27 And if you're doing both of those things, you're sacrificing and running back in wide receiver or both. And so I'm not likely to do it. I will say I'm more likely I'm much more into paying up for premium tight-in this year. So I would prioritize premium tight end if you're going to pay up for one of those positions. If not specifically a tight end, it would be, and again, we've talked about this. Like I have the latest article that came out for me this week was the six tight ends that I'm drafting all year, basically. And so if it's not one of the three premium guys, it's Mark Andrews, Evan Ingram or Tucker Kraft or the guys that I really, really want.
Starting point is 00:13:00 And maybe a sprinkling of some Dallas Goddard here and there. So my tight end pool this year is very, very condensed. If you don't go with the premium tight end. But outside of this, man, I mean, this, I don't. don't see this is like really that crazy. I mean, you do get the flexibility of like those two flex spots, um, being like basically any position. So it's not even wide receiver tight end or really.
Starting point is 00:13:22 I mean, honestly, dude, like in this type of draft, I'm probably paying up for tight end and then I'm just going BPA. So like, and I'm probably taking like a quarterback in the mid later rounds. Like I'm probably living in that that Justin Fields, Brock Purdy, Drake May, uh, Drake May, Jay J.J. McCarthy type. of like column of quarterbacks. Agreed. And I'm fine with that.
Starting point is 00:13:43 And so with wide receiver and running back, it's, you know, take, take BPA, man. Like, because again, like, if you're going more running back, like more wide receiver heavy, that's totally fine because you can either make trades or you can insulate the position with a lot of RB2 is late. You're just really saying, look, or you go hero RB. So really, this is all, like, the things that we consistently preach, Seth, is staying liquid and read the room and if you're doing this and you've already synced leagues obviously using draft intel and stuff and utilizing that type of cheat code now again draft intel you need
Starting point is 00:14:17 two years of league data or like we understand so this is a brand new league that's really not going like that's not going to fly obviously but this is all goes back to you should be running a ton of mocks so you are getting the the lowdown of what who's going to be there at your possible picks So at least as you're going through this, you could set the queue for like two to three players and stuff and at least know kind of what neighborhood you're living and building a lot of different squads. Yeah, I'm completely there with you, man. And like this is actually like the exact format other than it's full PPR that I play in my home league every year. And like for me, for me, I'm just strictly going off my tears for those first couple rounds. Like Derek said, if you want to grab an elite quarterback or an elite tight end, don't do both.
Starting point is 00:15:02 get one of them live in that that deeper range for the rest of it and uh for the most part man like i'm just pounding wide receiver and running back those you know first eight nine rounds or so before i even think about going after another one z position and just loading up there dude so um good luck here murked and uh we did get confirmation it is murked uh in the chat so i appreciate that for other things see back there backward threes bearer no backward three's that's that told you, man. I'm not that far removed from my, uh, my gamer days. Also saying cream cheese on an English muffin top tier. I've done it on a bagel. I've never done it on an English muffin actually.
Starting point is 00:15:38 And I will say I'll take that to another level. If you can find like, like jalapeno cream cheese and stuff like the, that is another level, man. Another level. That would be great. That would be great. Last night, you know, just getting back from the Expo earlier this week, we like, we didn't think about dinner until like seven o'clock last night. I was like, you know, you know, You know, it sounds good. And we had everything to make Buffalo chicken dip. So we just like, just through everything in the cross- I thought you were going to the Brinner route, which is exactly what I did on Monday when I got back.
Starting point is 00:16:08 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we were like, I popped up in the fridge. I was like, dude, we got nothing. Brinner it is. Brinner. Yeah. Never go wrong with Brenner, baby. No, no, that is always like the fail safe, right?
Starting point is 00:16:21 Because you usually have eggs. Usually can scrape some bread products together. You got eggs. Usually you can find some of the type of meat. You know what I mean? Yeah. Toss together some omelets. You got the bagels, which we always have bagels in the house and stuff.
Starting point is 00:16:32 So it's always there, dude. Mason, what's up, Mason? Good to see you today again, man. It's saying started off with Justin Jefferson McBride in my first two rounds of bestball. Digging it. You dig it as well, yeah? Yeah, it's good, man. Definitely digging it.
Starting point is 00:16:47 Is Trey McBride, you think, like, if he doesn't positively regress in touchdowns, are you still going to be happy with this season, you think, Derek? Yeah, dude. I mean, why not? I mean, like, tell me this. Like, were you disappointed? Did you roster him in any leagues last year? I actually had him the year before.
Starting point is 00:17:05 I had him. I picked him off a ton of waivers. I drafted him in a couple of dynasty leagues I am stashed. I actually really didn't ride with him last year. I was way too invested in in Harrison Jr., unfortunately. I mean, I'll put it this way because cross positionally last year, and this is where I want to highlight to people, like, if you're saying, they make bride.
Starting point is 00:17:24 So last year, even without the touchdowns, He performed as just looking at cross-positional value. Trey McBride would have been the wide receiver 17 last year in fantasy. Wow. And he would have been the RB 17. So either way, if you stack this up, and this is dude, with this dude scoring no touchdowns. So if he scores touchdowns this year,
Starting point is 00:17:47 and this is what I keep going back to, Seth, if he scores touchdowns and you are getting him in the third round in some spots, dude, this is where, like, again, We will flip over the cards. If he scores touchdowns and produces like this again this year, he could be a guy where we're like, we should have been drafting him round one. And that's why I've been so high on him.
Starting point is 00:18:07 And I continue to be so high because, again, RB17, wide receiver 17, comparatively, the value is still there if you're drafting him at the late second because he's going to go in that wide receiver 2, RB2 type of range. No, yeah, yeah, very, very true. The brophy, first time chatter. Thank you. And out of us today here on Twitch.
Starting point is 00:18:27 Dot TV slash Fancy Bros. Man saying, good morning, lads. What draft spot do you ideally want in a 12-man half-pointed BDR Home League redraft snake? So Derek, good morning to you,
Starting point is 00:18:38 even though it is good. Good morning, lads. I want to know where brofie's from. I need the shout out of like, give me the pin. What continent? Where are we calling in from?
Starting point is 00:18:46 I love this. Yeah. What do you think, though, Derek? For me, yeah, I like the 10 spot.
Starting point is 00:18:52 I like the 10 spot. That's my first spot. Because, like, I can get janky. Anywhere from 8 to 12. Anywhere from 8 to 12 because I want access, and we've talked about this, again, harping on this,
Starting point is 00:19:03 but it's still freaking true, dude, is that right there around the turn, there are so many guys that are just sitting right there that have first round type of profiles and outlooks to where it's like, pick your flavor of those two. Like you could build an RBRB start or a wide receiver,
Starting point is 00:19:21 white receiver start or split the difference and go balance build. any way you go there really at the turn there's not a lot of guys that I think you're really going to go wrong with I mean again like the four pack of players that I keep harping on now CMC's not in this anymore but Genty Brian Thomas Jr. CMC if he still falls there like if you're at the eight spot I think it's still possible but Drake London dude like all these guys
Starting point is 00:19:44 are sitting right there take two of them and enjoy and no just to point this out I'm not worried about Ashton Genti getting minus one rushing yards in his first NFL action. I do not care about that at all. I agree with you. And I'm so upset because in my home league, like I usually do get like 11 or 12 and sometimes I don't like being on the turn.
Starting point is 00:20:04 But now I finally got like a top four pick. And no one will trade out. No one will trade me with it. We have that golf scramble ahead of time hoping to get people a little bit loosed up. And maybe I can, hey, you want the four slot? I'll take. So you're getting people tossed up on the golf course to be like, hey, you want to move the rounds a little bit?
Starting point is 00:20:21 Would another adult beverage change your mind to us? That's what I did a couple years ago, too. I was able to move up a spot and jump someone for Justin Jefferson. So before we keep it moving, guys, I did want to remind everyone that the team here at Fantasy Pros, we're taking your questions all week right here on Twitch. Erickson and Tom Stralkin, they talk best ball Mondays at 4 Eastern. Also then at Tuesdays at 7 p.m. Eastern time. We now have Boggs and the Welsh playing Madden 26 live for you.
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Starting point is 00:21:14 But you do have to continue to re-up those each and every month. That is the one thing that Twitch wants to make sure that you're doing. So appreciate y'all hanging out with us. Let's continue on here in the chat. Man, wow, there are way too many go birds. I mean, go birds. It was like over the weekend. Every jersey I saw I felt like was absolutely an Eagles jersey.
Starting point is 00:21:35 Dude, there was so many Eagles fans. And I don't know if it's just because they're the loudest fan base. So like when Eagles fans are around there, but shout out to E. Rock, shout out to K-list. Yeah. people that are in leagues that are in our Discord that are freaking fantastic. Shout out to Bam Bam. That's always in the chat.
Starting point is 00:21:53 There's K-Less. It's like you say his name and he pops up. I love it, dude. I love it. Yeah, I was talking to. And of course, Mike May or whatever.
Starting point is 00:22:00 Like, nobody cares for birds fandom. I was talking to Kayles right before I left Jose's on Sunday night and was telling him, hey, this is the year to get into college football. And he was actually then took that question and was kind of talking about with fits and bogs yesterday on the discourse.
Starting point is 00:22:14 So it kind of came full circle. I saw Kail List on the way out Monday morning, and I was like I'd poured myself, like, into clothes. Like, I was just like, I'm so tired. I saw him in the lobby and I was like, I had no voice up. I was like, bye, bye, see you next year. It was so bad. Mike saying plain potato chips with cream cheese.
Starting point is 00:22:33 Mayor's not wrong. Mayor's not wrong about that. Wow. Wow. Not wrong. Okay, all right. Yeah, we're getting fancy now. And again less.
Starting point is 00:22:43 He's even better, mayor. Try it. last night. So always do that when he's left the fan for himself. The real ones no. The real ones no, Seth. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news?
Starting point is 00:22:55 Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys.
Starting point is 00:23:14 I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. We were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.
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Starting point is 00:25:07 Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Nick in the chat saying full English breakfast, a breakfast for Kings. What is a full English breakfast? Like I am, I know. Oh, I look this up. Yeah. Maybe let us know in the chat, Nick. Like what is in your mind a full English breakfast?
Starting point is 00:25:23 Like I think there's probably like, scum. Is there blood pudding in there? Blood pudding in there? I love blood pudding. It typically includes fried eggs, bacon, sausages, baked beans, grilled tomatoes, mushrooms. Oh, black pudding, whatever the heck that is. Oh, black pudding, blood pudding.
Starting point is 00:25:39 Yes, yes. That's okay. So, yes. And then often aside of fried bread or with something like tea or coffee to drink. So I mean, dude, outside of the death pudding, I'm totally down with it. Have you ever had the pudding, though? I have not. It just sounds, it sounds interesting. But dude, I mean, dude, I'm from Louisiana. I eat all kind of, I've eaten all kinds of stuff in my life. A lot of people will be like, really? Cool. So I'd probably be down for it. It's like almost some, I don't know what black pudding is, but I know blood pudding is almost like some type of stuff. It's the same thing. Okay. It's like a sausage soaked in like the pig blood or something.
Starting point is 00:26:18 Yep. Yep. Okay. It's what it says. Yes, really, really good though. I have an Irish lad who's my buddy and every time I'd go visit him. An Irish lad. I love a lot of it in there.
Starting point is 00:26:29 All right. Moving forward here through some more comments. Who is the R.B. to have for the Browns this year. So, Derek, we still have. which is Judkins not signed. Thought I'm not going to like my answer here. Well, who do you think? Because Jerome Ford's getting steamed up ECR right now.
Starting point is 00:26:50 And I've kind of been on this Dylan Samson train. I didn't love him as a prospect. But I think, you know, the Brown signified to me with the drafting of Judkins in the second, Samson in the fourth that, hey, maybe Jerome Ford isn't all. We thought he was to be, especially after last year, seeing under 200 carries once again. Yeah. My answer is no one. I don't want exposure to this backfield, dude.
Starting point is 00:27:14 I'll be honest with you. You don't really want exposure to the offense as a whole, do you? Not real. I mean, dude, the only guy that I'm taking at cost right now, like I'm not in on Jerry Judy. I am all the way out on Cedric Tillman. David and Joku, fine, but like, there's so many other tight ends.
Starting point is 00:27:29 And I think that like for him to reproduce as a top five tight in is asking too much in the context of that offense. So honestly, the only guy I'm taking out of that passing attack, to be honest, that cost is Deontay Johnson. Only because I feel like the cost for him is wrong because if he had a state on the Carolina Panthers, where we'd be drafting him right now?
Starting point is 00:27:47 So, but with this backfield, getting back to these running backs, man, it's like if we were to say, okay, we're at week seven, week eight, and assuming Judkins is signed and stuff, now how much camp he has missed to this point, like we could easily be staring at a situation for multiple weeks in this backfield
Starting point is 00:28:06 on one of the worst offenses is in the NFL, Seth, where would you be surprised if three running backs were getting touches? Like Judkins isn't to a point where he can handle all the early down stuff. He's not trusted on passing downs. He's playing catch up on training camp. Plus the ramp up because, you know, that like they don't just toss these guys out there with no ramp up at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For a soft tissue injury.
Starting point is 00:28:31 So at some point of this week, like year, we know they're not going to give Jerome Ford like a 20 touch workload. They will not do that. and drafted two running backs. So they didn't have to do that. So honestly, like, if it's negative game script, are we going to see more Samson? Like, I want to avoid this backfill because this is not a situation
Starting point is 00:28:49 where we're expecting a ton of scoring. This is probably going to be a bad team. We're probably going to get multiple quarterbacks, maybe three quarterbacks plus making starts this season. And this could be a backflow where on many given weeks, maybe we're seeing three running backs, getting touches in this offense, and they're all just cannibalizing each other.
Starting point is 00:29:11 Like, does that sound like a situation where we should be buying in, even at cost, Seth? No, no, honestly, not at all.
Starting point is 00:29:18 And I think there is a really good chance that the Browns are destined to be potentially the first overall pick next year. Like, that is where this could be heading. So I don't hate that take at all. So who's the running back to have for the Browns this year? Derek is telling us nobody. No one,
Starting point is 00:29:35 no one. Bam, bam, saying, last night did some rice in the rice cooker, finished off some butter, splash of soy sauce, simple and delicious.
Starting point is 00:29:42 Oh. Do you have a rice cooker, Derek? I do not have a rice cooker. I don't have a rice cooker, but dude, I'm either I go with the little like cups of rice, you can nuke or something like that,
Starting point is 00:29:52 or I'm a big, because we don't have a rice cooker and I just honestly don't have time for it. So we're a big boil in the bag kind of family. Yeah, same, same. Very much so. Or I get the little small cups that I can nuke. Like,
Starting point is 00:30:04 if I'm just making like chicken and rice for myself, like roll fast as lunch or dinner or something like that. Okay. All right. Bam, I don't hate it. I will question like, bro,
Starting point is 00:30:13 like toss some chicken up in there or something else. Like you need some extra protein. Hey, hey, man. He's just, you know, keeping it light for the night. Keeping it light for the night.
Starting point is 00:30:21 I appreciate that. Also, the brofee made, let us know that he's out in Seattle actually. So I guess it is still morning in Seattle. I kind of forgot that we still have a, a, yeah,
Starting point is 00:30:32 Pacific time is made up. It's kind of like mountain. It's all made up. I, I remember the one time I was in Pacific time, and I did not like, it felt weird and wrong to me, to be honest with you. And then Mike Mayer let us know too in the chat. We recently did some research here at Fantasy Pros that said there is a significant drop off after the six overall pick in league win probability this year. And that is the one point that I would say, Derek, is that like most traditionally, you usually do want a top six pick.
Starting point is 00:31:01 And that research has been proven, including here at FP. So what's your opinion on what, you know, the smack that mayor is laying down here? Does that change your opinion all that the facts are the facts, brother? I mean, not a ton because, I mean, the reason that that holds true in a lot of different seasons, and I'm not disputing it, is because those top-end picks, that's where you find the league difference makers. I mean, a lot of that were, I mean, because you have just had players that just absolutely crush, like Jamar Chase last year, CMC in so many different years. but we also have, I think the,
Starting point is 00:31:37 I think a lot of the top tier of those running backs, like I have a tier of like five guys at the top of the running back position that I'll, like that any one of them I think could be the RB1 overall this year. And some of those guys are going more middle or later the round like Christian McCaffrey. And the same thing with the wide receiver. Like so like while the easy favorite, I think a lot of like a lot of that data is heavily, not heavily, but is decently influenced by a lot of Christian McCaffrey,
Starting point is 00:32:06 a lot of guys that have been just absolute difference makers and just have like, I mean, if you've been like cheat codes, if you've had the 101 or the 102 or even the 103 in a lot of years. So like I don't dispute it, but I guess giving some context to that. Before we keep going, I just wanted to shout out again, everyone who's tuning in live with us on Fancy Pro's Twitch account. We really, really appreciate it. Make sure you please false or better yet subscribe to help support the
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Starting point is 00:32:54 And let's keep it moving once again. When you do your drafts, how many players do you have in your stack generally? So Derek, is there like a line of demarcation for you where it's like, hey, I'm not going to draft another Bengals player. I'm not going to draft another Colts player. Like I know we want to be connected to good offenses. So I know it kind of varies on the offense. But how can you help our guy, Nick out here? I mean, I'm usually not drafting more than like, I mean, if it's skill players, like, I'm usually not drafting more than one player from an offense.
Starting point is 00:33:25 Well, I say like two players from an offense only because I feel like at that point, you'd, get above the two player mark, you're asking for a lot more to go right. Like the offense and this and again, this is all like in a vacuum. Like this now, this kind of gets like a little bit more squirly like when you talk about middle or later round players. And am I willing to take like maybe drafting three players from an offense considering like two of them like I'm probably investing like top six round, top seven round kind of capital in and maybe taking a shot on a guy like later. I don't have problems doing that. But like saying,
Starting point is 00:34:01 I'm not going to draft usually three players from the same offense all, like, within the top five rounds, like investing that much high draft. Yeah. Now, am I against it? Not necessarily. It kind of depends on how your draft goes. Right. Like, would I shy away from saying the graph fell to you where, say, T. Higgins falls to you
Starting point is 00:34:22 and you had like the 101 pick or something, would I shy away from if T falls and Burrow falls in ADP, like, you get them at at a discount or something? something like that. Would I shy away from going chase tea and burrow in a draft? Not necessarily. So really it all depends on context, but I'd say in a vacuum, like the early rounds, like those top like five, six rounds, I'm usually not investing in more than like two players in an office. Yeah. Maybe taking a shot on a guy later. But I mean, Seth, are you differing that at all? No, not really. I mean, I think I touched on it last week in a stream that there was a league where I took Jonathan Taylor at the one-two turn and then in three-four turn.
Starting point is 00:35:01 I came back and got Michael Pittman Jr. And that was just a disaster of a squad, honestly. But I think at the same time, it depends what offense you're investing in, right? If you're investing, yeah, if you're investing the Eagles or the Bengals, someone, the Buffalo bills, even someone we know who has a lead upside. I'm very, very okay with it. But I'm not going out of my way to do it. I think you said it very well.
Starting point is 00:35:23 Awesome, Deb. Hey, guys, when I'm mock drafting, I sometimes find it difficult to draft the player. really like if he's too far down the board or in the next tier how do you get past this sort of hold up when drafting so derrick i think you're a great example because you always say like say it with your chest right you know and and your drafting often reflects that so how do you kind of overcome the ADP the rankings that you're using in platform and you you aren't afraid to go out on a limb and go get your guys i mean screw ADP it's a false construct it's it's it's echo chamber at its finest and this isn't like I'm not telling you to take a fifth round guy in the second round.
Starting point is 00:36:03 I'm not telling you to take a six round guy in the first round. I'm not telling you to do things that are wildly aggressive and irresponsible. But like when, for example, like when you get into that mid wide receiver two range and like there's guys that I don't want anything to do with this year. Like I don't, I'm not really heavily invested in Marvin Harrison Jr. or Tyreek Hill. Like when I get to those point in the draft, like am I more likely to press the button on a George Pickens or Tederoa McMill? millin where they go maybe depending on your room around and a half later no i'm not batting an
Starting point is 00:36:35 i dude because again if you're doing all the work the homework and you're either you have your own process for how you're drafting or you're melding your process with with people that you trust they're doing their work whether that's me pat erics and joe anybody and you trust that and you come away with like these are the guys that I am strong about. Yep. Then get them. Like screw ADP. Get your freaking guys because there's nothing worse.
Starting point is 00:37:01 I'm like you saying, oh, well, I was hoping I could have gotten Pickens like two rounds later or a round later. And I should have drafted him because, you know, he was the best guy on the board or I was worried about a running back. I was worried about filling out my starting lineup. So I reached on a tight end.
Starting point is 00:37:18 But Pickens was the best guy on the board. Like, nah, man. don't play those games because there is nothing worse than watching a player that you were high on. You wished and you should have drafted, but you thought you could have gotten later. And then you watch him do all the things you thought he was going to do during the season. He smashes. And like, that's where it comes down to drafting in tears and saying, I have this guy at the top of the tier where consensus has this guy at the bottom of a tier. Right.
Starting point is 00:37:49 I'm going to like exactly like I'm drafting rj harvey this year and I'm standing with my chest like but like when you get into those rb two ranges and you're like dude I want nothing to do with Aaron Jones I want nothing right this guy I want nothing to do with these are these other RB2s like then draft the guy you want and I mean again this goes back to drafting like you're right and you're correct and doing that in a a responsible and thoughtful yes you yet you can be aggressive type of manner if that all kind of makes sense no 100% i remember last year i was all in on json i had him in a ton of leagues and in my home league i was like okay i think i can get jsn the next time he comes around and i waited and he went one pick before me and i almost burned the house down i mean that's and there's no word dev to getting this question in probably somewhere on a luxurious beach or a yacht somewhere um they've dropped in here are you uh on a catabaran in the caribbean right now what's that look like is dev a world traveler is that one of I'm hearing here. Globe traveler. We all should be living our best life like Dev
Starting point is 00:38:53 right now. Fantasy pros retreat on Dev's yacht. Is that what I'm hearing? Is that what I'm hearing? He said it on me, Dev. He said it on me. Come scoop us, Dad. We appreciate you, brother. A very, very interesting question here from Excia, Divine. Should I draft Judkins at the 201 if he drops in my rookie draft? Let us know if this is super flex or not. I would like to hear that. But Derek, where are we right now from a Diancy Lens with Judkins. There's rumors that he might be head back to the NFL. It's too late for him to head back to college.
Starting point is 00:39:24 But what are we doing here with Judkins? Because the 201 to me feels too rich when there's guys like, I'm letting somebody else fall on that landmine. I'm just going to say it. I was not in on him as a prospect. I was much lower the consensus throughout the entirety of the draft process. And now with everything that we know, the off the field stuff, Andy hasn't even signed his freaking contract.
Starting point is 00:39:43 It's like all of this is already muddying the water at 201. No, thank you. Now, if you still want to be in on Judkins, that's fine, but I don't want to take him at the 201. No. I'm more likely to trade back and you get more equity if Judkins is a target for you. And then you watch him slip down the board a little bit. And what did I say?
Starting point is 00:40:03 What did I say, Seth? Awesome, Deb throwing it in the chat back from Italy, baby. Wow. Globe Traveler, world renown, awesome, awesome dev. Yeah, no, I respect that. And like for me, I really feel the same way, dude, that like, I, I mean, you and I were lower on Judkins coming in that even the 201 felt a little bit rich for him then. And like now we're at the point where, hey, Matthew Golden might be around there. Jane Higgins, Cam Scadaboo, like, Colston Loveland even potentially.
Starting point is 00:40:31 Like, I just can't get there. I mean, dude, I had him at the 203 in Superflex without any of that stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, now, dude, it's like, I'm dropping. him probably taking tootin over him right yeah i'm taking tooting um probably even taking uh jarquess hunter or cam scadaboo like i'm dropping into the back into the second round dude because we're doing it right now live yeah i mean we don't know we don't know if he's going to play this year and when he does get signed to a team well we just talked about the brown's backfield like it's gonna be a mess like yeah if you're
Starting point is 00:41:07 if he was a guy you were expecting and and like early production especially in this ricky season hasn't a lot of that been blown up? Like in the best case of circumstances, you're hoping he fires and gets the workers like workload like down the back half of the season because it's not going to happen to the beginning of the season. It's probably not going to happen even until the middle of the season because he hasn't even been in a freaking training camp people.
Starting point is 00:41:34 Right. So like he's got to learn the playbook, catch up on everything, build familiarity, continuity and climb the depth chart. And that's all going to take time. even talking outside of the physical ramp up of there is a difference of being in gym shape and being in football shape for games. All right.
Starting point is 00:41:53 But before we get some rapid fire to round out the program, I did want to let everyone know that you should be getting ready for the ultimate fancy football event. Yes, it's the fancy pros fancy fest coming back for you. Join us live on YouTube Tuesday, August 19th at 2 p.m. Eastern time for five hours of rankings, sleepers, and top experts. like J.J. Zacharisen. We also have Andy Barron, among many, many others coming on the program.
Starting point is 00:42:20 And when it ends, well, the party's going to keep going here on Twitch, Baby, and Catch Welsh. And Boggman playing Madden 26 live Tuesday at 7 p.m. Eastern time right here on Twitch.com slash Fantasy Pro. So very fun, excited for that fest, Derek. That's going to be a lot of fun. It's always fun to catch up with different people in the industry and, you know, do a little pot-a-thon with the boys. Yes, sir. It's always a blast. I mean, so many people that we got to catch up with and see at the Expo and stuff and our favorites, like a lot of our favorites in the industry and a lot of good talk, man. And correct me if I'm wrong, like Callie, Seth, anybody throw this in the chat. I want to say we already have, like, do we have it already live or people can just go sub to the YouTube and get ready? Like basically hit the notifications like when this go live. I could be wrong on that, but guys, let me know if I am. Yeah, yeah, let us know on that. But either way, easiest way to, so you don't miss anything, go ring the bell on YouTube, right?
Starting point is 00:43:15 I mean, you're going to know when we're going live every single time. So let's keep it moving here. Just give me one word on a couple of these, Derek. But Alex, he is in a Dynasty Superflex startup, tight end, premium full PPR, pick an eighth. And I'm hesitating between Jalen Hertz or wide receiver like Citi or neighbors. For me, it's Hertz, sir. He's still in that top tier for me. QB.
Starting point is 00:43:38 If it's in Superflex, I'm going QB. If you're able to get another guy, like, if you're able to get a guy that that's going to go, like he's in that elite tier quarterbacks, yes, it's QB. And it's not even close. Like, Hertz is my, I mean, Hertz is my ninth overall player. So, like, yeah, he should be available around there. And Seth is letting us know in the back. And if you hit that bell on YouTube, it will notify you that the fancy fest is live. So good work by the team over there.
Starting point is 00:44:05 Speaking of Superflex, start three wide receiver league, team format here for a guy SAV, for a guy SAV saying Jefferson and Mahomes for Lamar and St. Brown, my other wide receivers are Puka, neighbors, Brian Thomas, Adams, and Wiles. So absolutely stacked at the wide receiver position. Would you take a downgrade from Jefferson
Starting point is 00:44:27 to St. Brown to get Lamar over Mahomes? Yeah, because if you're looking at just mash up the points per game for both of those guys, you're probably not losing a ton of points. per game going from Jefferson to Sam Brown, but you're going to gain a ton of points going from Holmes to Lamar. Like, we're talking about, like,
Starting point is 00:44:46 you're probably gaining a good, like, four fantasy points per game in the process. And so, you're really evaluating, is the gap between Jefferson and St. Brown going to be high enough to where that's not a move that you want to make? And so, I mean, where do you sit on it, Seth? Like, I would
Starting point is 00:45:04 do that and I'd take the Lamar side and super flex. Oh, absolutely. I mean, and then your wide receivers are still puka neighbors brian thomas junior and st brown that is insane like you're not even starting adams and waddle so i i would i would i would i would do that i think that's and i mean you're looking at a similar range like amunra has been at that like where has he been like the last few years so 16.7 20.7 18.6 jefferson has been hovering around like anywhere from 18 to 20 So you're really giving up like two to about two and a half fantasy points per game and the move from Jefferson and St. Brown possibly. But really in the aggregate between these and that's how you need to look at it in your starting lineup, you're probably gaining like three to four fantasy points in total.
Starting point is 00:45:51 So even if you look at it that way, you're still probably it's a net gain for you to get the Lamar side. Right, right. Agreed with you there. And he's still stacked a wide receiver. So like you're still going to make it up And a lot of these other guys Like he's still absolutely flush at wide receiver So even the jump
Starting point is 00:46:06 The move down from Jefferson and the same Brown Isn't going to hurt him at all Nick let us know that 7 p.m. out where he is in beverly Yorkshire near the original year So nah that's cool That's good to know man We got York checking in We got people coming back from Italy
Starting point is 00:46:21 I like worldwide Seth Wow It's getting big baby maybe maybe the first fantasy pros live event Maybe it happens overseas you never know I never know Somewhere nice man at least we're going international. We're going international.
Starting point is 00:46:34 I don't necessarily need, you know, the beach and the sun time and stuff like that. But, you know, I do occasionally like to come on the beach, but very much in the shade. Yes. If you're picking towards the end of the draft and you're using tiers, do you take the last guy in a tier above or take two from the same tier? So, I mean, it depends, depends on the draft. It depends on, like, how you're setting up your tiers. I mean, in a vacuum, you're taking the last guy of the top tier and then the top guy of the next tier. You know, like, I mean, that's how you have your tier set up.
Starting point is 00:47:11 And you're shooting for upside. You're shooting for upside, right? Like, I heard CELY last week say it great. Like, if someone doesn't have like top 30 upside, why are we even having them on our roster? Right. Like, like, we don't need to go and draft guys like Rashad Bateman who like that is his ceiling, right? So. No, I don't, I don't want to draft a ton of guys.
Starting point is 00:47:29 it's either you hit or you don't and you're either helping me win a league or you don't and it's like because dude the middle of the season you can find some random schmode center and fill a flex like with the matchup is awesome that week and like your touchdown hunting and stuff like that's like all those flex worthy players like you know we know that like players like maybe a troy horton is going to have a pop off week dante thornton jrottes going to have a pop off week. Like, you can get guys like even off of waivers in the middle of the season to like maybe have a ceiling spike week from a flex.
Starting point is 00:48:04 Like we care about the guys that are going to be difference makers in the leagues and you're shooting for that upside. Uh, Thotthamas saying he's out in L.A. If you're ever here, y'all are getting some beers 100%. Yo, appreciate it. Oh, let's go. Make sure they, make sure wherever we go, uh, Prime that they got some Bushlight on draft. That's all I asked for.
Starting point is 00:48:22 Got to run Bushlight all weekend. Every bar I went to go out of Bushlight. You started handing Bushlights to me. Like I was sitting down. No lie, everyone. I'm sitting down at George's at the bar. And Seth comes up behind me and he goes, oh, I think you misplaced this.
Starting point is 00:48:38 This must be yours. And Sid Santa Bushlight in front of me. And I was like, what is this? I don't want it. That's all right. I think you got the wrong person. Just one more for the collection, baby. It's all right.
Starting point is 00:48:51 Derek, Derek doesn't accept my gifts in Bush. I love what you play. Favorite handcuffs this season from our guy, Fantasy Fumble Weekly. Oh, that's a good name. I like that one as well. I've lost fantasy matchups due to late fumble. So I can relate to that.
Starting point is 00:49:13 For me, Derek, I am not leaving a draft. If Isaac Garendo is sitting around there just for the off chance. I'm drafting him. I'm drafting a ton of Bayshall, too, not because I seem as a handcuff. but more as like an interchangeable part in a big, uh, and big,
Starting point is 00:49:28 uh, and big, giguous backfield. And I was drafting a lot of Ray Davis until the news today. So anyone you would kind of add to that list here for a guy, fantasy fumble weekly. I mean, the guys that are going to go in that handcuffy type tier,
Starting point is 00:49:41 Jordan Mason will be drafted somewhere around there. Tank bigs be so guys that can have like standalone value. True handcuffs though, like basal tut and cam scataboo, um, guys. And I mean, I think the thing.
Starting point is 00:49:54 with with handcuffs that we need to be looking at are the clear situations that we know if a guy goes down who's going to be the primary ball carrier like tyler a algier is going to go super freaking late if anything were to happen to be jean you know who is getting the freaking ball on a weekly basis dude so like him um i have no problem with the ray davis call but um i guess like the true handcuffs, Tyler Al J. Jinn's, Jalen Wright. I look at all of those guys and you could throw a Ray Davis and even Jacori-Kroski-Marit, Taj, but to go into that case in conversation. Yes, we could be staring at Summerville. Summerville, baby. Apart from injury, which top-tier player could bust. Ooh, ooh, I really like this. You know my Kyron hate. So,
Starting point is 00:50:47 So, Caroline Williams, like, I think, I think Jarkoze Hunter is going to be involved in this backfield. I do not care about the contract. I still think that that is fully going to happen. Breece Hall, if this truly is a two-to-three-way committee, dude. Like, I'm not saying that it should be. I'm not saying that it should be, but I'm saying that it could happen. Chad's coaching staff, man, just like, he's a beast. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:10 But Jonathan Taylor for me, I'm 20-thold below ECR. Absolutely with you on that one. Chuba Hubbard, a guy that I think. think we're looking at wrong falsely like yep say bust because people are going to take chuba hubbard and i think in a lot of aspects they're going to say i mean he's he's going to be the guy that he was last year right like we're looking at like i'm getting an rb one an rb two prices but i i'm telling you man rico doughton and treber he go down yeah into that back yield yep i agree um i just moved him down the other day i just moved him down because i'm really afraid of them a little bit some other guys that i'll
Starting point is 00:51:44 toss into here um again tyrieki do not want to be drafting him. You know my thoughts on D.K. Metcalf and an Arthur Smith offense. Love D.K. Marvin Harrison, Jr., only because, and I say bust, yes. This dude is being drafted as a wide receiver too.
Starting point is 00:52:00 Yeah, get him out of year. What did that entire freaking offense changed over one year? Right. Where it's like, did we not learn this from last year? It's like we all drafted him as a top 15 wide receiver last year. Nothing has changed in this offense. Like, I'm fine with. taking him as a wide receiver three, but he's not going to go there, dude.
Starting point is 00:52:20 So yes, like, and again, a bust is being categorized as the expected production you're expecting out of where that guy's being drafted and how he's fitting into your team versus the reality of what you're probably going to get out of him throughout the season. So like, yeah, if you're drafting Marvin Harrison Jr. as a wide receiver two, get ready for pain. Also, if you're drafting Zay Flowers as a wide receiver two, get ready for pain because he's been a wide receiver three in each of the last two freaking years. Like what we got to learn, man. People got to learn.
Starting point is 00:52:52 Last question. We'll wrap up with a fun one here from Bam Bam Branson. Who is the MVP of your first league winning team? Mine was L.T. in 2006, 1800 yards, 28 DDs, absolute God. For me, Derek, I remember it very vividly. It was Michael Vic on his return with the Eagles and also Peyton Hillis. Another guy who's been forgotten about, but he's saved life. He saves lives. He was on the man cover.
Starting point is 00:53:16 So Peyton Hill is always in the heart, baby. What about you? Do you remember yours? Jimmy Graham in his breakout season, Jamal Charles, over a number of seasons. I'm trying to think of another one here. It's definitively both one of those two guys, I'd say. Dude, I had so much Jimmy Graham when he blew up in his, like,
Starting point is 00:53:37 the first year he, like, just absolutely crushed. Yeah. And I was, I remember I had a team where I was rocking, Rob Garnkowski and, Jimmy Graham and I was just playing one of those guys in the flex and just mauling people. It was wondrous. World renowned traveler, Jimmy Graham. So maybe even Dev can link up some time out there.
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