The Herd with Colin Cowherd - FantasyPros - Jake Ciely’s Top 5 Fantasy Football Waiver Wire Targets For Week 8 (Ep. 1784)

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Starting point is 00:00:41 looking ahead to the waiver wire with my good pal, Jake Sealy from the Athletic. We're going to talk about some of the names that we saw that could help us potentially in week eight and week eight. Certainly a lot of teams won't be playing. So you're going to need a lot of help, a lot of depth. And luckily, he are fantasy pros.

Starting point is 00:00:56 We have all this depth, too, because we have Jake Sealy joining us here on the team. And Jake, I want to start out first with Bam Knight. I want to start out with the Cardinals for a moment here, talk about this backfield. It's a player we talked about before. You get to the actual other names to add in. But Bam Knight is a guy that we talked about previously. And it's funny because Jacobi Percent under center looks very confident, played pretty well.

Starting point is 00:01:17 Now, eventually, Michael Parsons ate him alive. But Michael Parsons does that to a lot of quarterbacks. And credit to him. But I was actually on the Cardinals yesterday. Got him on the points there. Got him in the first half as the leader, too, because, of the Green Bay Packers having to wait on the tarmac for six hours before taking off. They were well behind schedule.

Starting point is 00:01:36 These guys are creatures of habit. They were not in a good spot. Josh Jacobs was dealing with all sorts of issues with his calf and then an illness to. Eventually, the Packers won out. But I want to talk about who wins out eventually with this backfield because there's always this ominous feeling of Trey Benson's return. You have Michael Carter in this mix. So what do you do with Bam Knight at this point if he's still out there on the waiver wire and he can't play him this week? Yeah, I think you still pick them up, but I think this might be a pickup and see if there's a needy team out there.

Starting point is 00:02:03 Like maybe you have more Fab left. Maybe you have priority left. And you can go and get them as a piece because you bring it up, like all those reasons by kudos to you for making that bet and having that insight. I actually didn't see that six hour news. I wish I would have seen it. I would have pulled off some other things and made some adjustments. You were right to do so. It really comes down to what brought this up before the show, as I said to you, is like, who really expects the Cardinals to be in the lead most of their games, let alone against.

Starting point is 00:02:28 the Packers and you brought up the six hours. And I was like, oh, wow, I really wish I would have seen that because that's the thing. He out touched him, that being Bam Knight, outtouched him seven to two with the lead. And then it was nine to six when they were neutral or they were slightly behind for a brief part of the game. So it was still nine, six Bam Knight. But the idea behind Michael Carter was that two minute drill passing downs when they're behind. He'll see more of a 50-50 split. And I think that's the concern. Is that coming out of the buy? Are they going to be in more games where they're either playing from behind or in a neutral script? And that's That's where you get to the 50-50.

Starting point is 00:02:59 And this isn't Chuba Hubbard and Rico Dattle. This isn't going back to the Defont of Freeman, Kevin Coleman days. This isn't one where you're like, oh, I want to start both of them as top 20 options. This is get the heck away while you can. So if you pick up Amnoy, if you have them, as you just said, it might be tough to trade during the buy, but you can think forward to the week after that. Because as you said, Trey Benson's like week 11-ish. And if he's ready to roll, I mean, that just throws both of them to, you can't use either at that point.

Starting point is 00:03:28 Well, I don't look at Benson as a completely viable option either. So if you have him and somebody wants him to trade who already has parts of the Cardinals backfield, I would willingly move on because I don't think any of us know exactly what that's going to look like by the time we get to the weeks that he is actually returning for the Cardinals. So let's start with, look, there's two running backs on this list today that we've been talking about in the offseason, been talking about slow burns. And I think a lot of us, including me, started to run up the white flag last week on them. The first one is Bershart Smith. I want to talk about him because now of a sudden I'm up at the flagpole and I'm pulling the flag down.

Starting point is 00:04:02 And once again, I'm excited about Bouchard Smith. And look, rightfully so now, look, it was, you know, that Las Vegas came got out of hand real quick. Patrick Holmes didn't play in the fourth quarter. He had 14 for 39, but he also had five catches on five targets for 42. So let's talk about how Smith might be used here down the stretch because Kareem Hunt is an older running back. Isaiah Pacheco still looks the same to me. I feel like he has more yards going up and down with his feet than he does going full forward with his feet. I don't know if that makes sense to you at all. But let's talk about Smith

Starting point is 00:04:30 here in his role with the Chiefs going forward. I think the interesting thing is you brought out part of the concern is that Cream Hunt got hurt. So if Cream Hunt is out, this is kind of clears up one of the issues, but I will say let's also temper expectations because yes, we should be excited, but we can also potentially go too far for people out there that might be like, oh, I just, I saw the box score. It was so exciting. Like, forget the garbage time. Richard Smith has Jerich McKinnon appeal, but he's not quite Jerich McKinion. So, because there's two things about him is that, Rashar Smith didn't see a single pass blocking opportunity, which shows that they probably don't trust them as such, where they would trust McKinnon as such.

Starting point is 00:05:04 And there's limited goal line use for Smith versus Jerich McKinnon. So remember Jerich McKinnon and he was an RB3 with weekly RB2 even. There was weeks where he's an RB1. There was weeks where Jerich McKinin was giving 15 plus touches when they lost like everybody else and they were down to McKinnon. So I say all to say is like if Cream Hunt is out, yes, Bershars Smith as an RB3 and half and full point PPR. But that's where you should temper your expectations is that's going to be his range. If he gets a touchdown, he'll be inside the top 20. But this isn't going to be a complete timeshare where it's like, oh, my God, I really need to start

Starting point is 00:05:35 Rashad Smith as my RB2. But we are thin at the waivers at this point of the season. We are hitting the 16 by and they get the commanders coming up next week, which isn't as fearsome as they were like earlier in the season. Not that they were like, oh, my God, avoid the commanders. But they definitely haven't been playing as well recently. So I think that's why you like Smith. But I just, I say that to caution also.

Starting point is 00:05:55 Again, he's not going to all of a sudden be a top 20 running back. All right. Injuries had a lot to do with some of our suggestions here and with Jalen Waddle injury and everything that's going on potentially here with the Miami Dolphins going in the bad direction. Let's talk about Malik Washington and how his role might expand over the week or two ahead. Yeah, the bad direction for sure. Also, if you're watching this on Thursday, you might have news and this might be irrelevant. But as of today, first thing, Monday morning, and we were talking about this, there's potential no Jalen Waddle or Darren Waller, which now you're like, oh my gosh, who's left for the Dolphins?

Starting point is 00:06:29 Good question. And they might trade who's left at this point. Could be no coach by the time we get the Thursday. That is true. Hey, two Florida coaches fired in one weekend. I put that in quotes, hopefully for Dolphins fans out there, that happens for sorry, all Florida fans. But I will say, like, it really comes down to Malick Washington is exciting. There was the excitement for Washington when Tyree Hill got hurt. But obviously, Waller stepping in and just the fact that they didn't really need them and they turned to A. Chan in the backfield.

Starting point is 00:06:53 then there's just nothing really left from Malik Washington. But at this point, it could go the way of the commanders. It could go to the way of figuring out who the next person was after Devante Adams for the Rams where the answer was nobody. And the answer is going to be, it's just a complete mess. And there's going to just be nobody here. It would be Westbrook Aquina catching a touchdown on every third catch like he did last year. But Malik Washington has the upside again.

Starting point is 00:07:14 Because if Jaylon Wynne Wittal misses time multiple weeks, one, two, three weeks, and you have no Darren Waller on top of it, they're going to need somebody to throw to besides A. Chan and Nick Whisper Kakinah. So that's why Malik Washington is here. But as I said, if you're watching this later in the week and Jalen White avoided a serious injury and he's out there, it's also not the best matchup, by the way, with the Falcons on tap, but people need options. Again, six team on a buy because the NFL keeps screwing us over with this, Joe. Always every single time.

Starting point is 00:07:42 Please, don't even get me started about these bypocalypse weeks. It's totally unnecessary. Like, that's the worst part about it. It's like we don't have everybody on a buy certain ways. What's 32 divided by four? Eight. Like, why can't we just date eight weeks of four? No, no, because that would be sensible and that would, you know, make logic and all that

Starting point is 00:08:02 nonsense. We don't like that over here. All right, let's talk about Arronday Gadsden here, a tight end who, for the Chargers starting to emerge out, it wasn't just this big week here that he had in week seven. If you go back to week six, he had seven receptions on eight targets for 68 yards. Obviously, yesterday, huge day, seven for nine for 164 and a touchdown. So this was the big coming out party. He is widely free in a lot of leagues right now.

Starting point is 00:08:25 So let's talk about Gadsden here because this is yet another tight end off the Waverwire in a year where the waiver wire is bearing some fruit at the tight end position for a change, which is really great. But what is Gadsden going to look like going forward? Do you think this was just a one-off based on what's been going on here with some of these guys banged up? Like, you know, QJ hasn't been healthy much the last couple weeks? Or do you think that Gadsden's really grown now into a spot where the rest of the season, he is a main cog of this Chargers offense.

Starting point is 00:08:52 Both. How about both? You have to throw that out there? Sure. Look, like, it's not mutually exclusive to say that Gadsden is a tight-end option, but also to say that let's not overreact and he's not going to be an every week option because he just brought up. Like, there's a couple things. They were down 23 to 3 in the first half, and they threw 55 times.

Starting point is 00:09:11 We're not going to see Justin Herbert throw 55 times every single week and have that opportunity. At the same time, even if Justin Herbert did throw 55 times. times every single week. He's not supporting four people. Like at best, he's not supporting three most of the time, as we already saw. The three wide receivers, Quentin Johnson was a thing, which meant Ladd-McConkie was a non-factor. Ladd-McConkey bounced back recently, but also Quentin Johnson got hurt. Somebody's always taking the back seat, and that's when we're going to say this. If Gaston's a true thing, and Gasson, from this point forward is a tight end one, that means Johnston's probably taking the back seat, especially for the touchdown upside. But somebody of the

Starting point is 00:09:46 why receiver group is going to fall off. I don't think it's going to be Keenan Allen. So it comes down to Ladd versus Johnston. If you saw that game yesterday, Ladd had the most targets. Ladd-McConkie managers are probably frustrated with the outcome of 15 targets. But the point being here is that Gadsden's a threat to Johnston. And I don't think Johnson's going to completely fall off where it goes to this. Tight end outside of four people, basically, is going to be hit and miss every single week.

Starting point is 00:10:13 You're going to get 50% good, 50% bad. So yes, pick up Gadsden. And that's why he's number three. Go pick him up if you need tight end help. You need tight end help with six teams on a buy. We're saying it. And again, you need tight end help because it's tight end. But don't expect them to all of a sudden.

Starting point is 00:10:25 Like, if Gadsden goes out in week eight and has one for 13, just keep him out there the week after that. And just like, until you have like, remember Juan Johnson earlier this year? It was fun until the wheels fell off. But you just ride it until the wheels fall off. It's not one game. Wait two or three games before you're like, I'm going to move on to the next one and don't chase your tail. though. Jake, with Gatson is that like, this is a rookie. So there's always this weird optimism there when you have these young kids, right, where you go, okay, well, maybe it's just, you know,

Starting point is 00:10:53 tight ends, rookie tight ends don't all, you know, show up like Brock Bowers necessarily. And you have a little bit more patience, right? So I think that's why this is shaded with a little bit more optimism. The guy like John Johnson, who's been around the league for a while and we've seen some one-off weeks from him. I think the difference with him was always Tassam Hill. You know, getting the red zone, all of a sudden, Tassum Hill is involved in the gimmick plays and all that stuff. kind of tight end equity for fantasy is built around the red zone. And if those guys aren't playing in the red zone, it's not a good look. One guy that is starting to play a little bit around there is the other running back that I

Starting point is 00:11:25 tease at the top of the show here. Kyle Monon guy, my guy, who Jake knows all I wanted for Christmas was Kyle Minon guy to become the David Montgomery in the Bears' offense. It's all I wanted. And guess what? That's what he did yesterday. Against an Orleans Saints 13 for 81 with a touchdown. Had a couple catches.

Starting point is 00:11:40 I don't care about that. That's not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for the 13 for 81 in the touchdown. That's what I want, Jake. So he had never previously this season had more than seven carries in a game. Now a sudden, almost double that yesterday. Once again, I will ask this question. Is this a game script?

Starting point is 00:11:55 Is this a approach against the Saints that they were just running? Or is this the future of what the Bears offense and backfield is going to look like with Monongai and Swift? And once again, I'll give you a both. This is really, the interesting thing is you just brought it up is you don't really care about the passing game. For everybody out there, like Joe wasn't being flippant in that. is that if you look at it and if you look at Ben Johnson, okay, look at Gibbs and Montgomery. What are they? Who is Montgomery?

Starting point is 00:12:22 Montgomery does catch balls sometimes, but as Ben Johnson does with his running backs, the pass catcher is his lead, where like we've seen in the past years, where it's more of that first early down non-pass catcher and then the past catcher compliment. Basically, Tony Pollard and Natasha Spears right now, even though Pollard can catch passes. But my point being is this is, he's basically Ben Johnson's the reverse of what we expect with split backfields where one gets 65% of the work. And yes, Swift got 65%.

Starting point is 00:12:49 Swift is still an RB2. Swift is still the running back that nobody wanted that's going out there and providing RB2 value. But now McManan guy's in the mix as you just brought up. And maybe the Ravens fix whatever is going wrong with that team during their buy. But the one thing they can't fix is the injuries on defense. And maybe they get a piece or two back. But they are still highly exploitable against the run.

Starting point is 00:13:07 So Manang guy in a 16-bye, he'll be an RB3 this week in my rankings. I can tell you that already. And I know everybody's like, what are you going to rank? It's Monday. early. No, he will be an RB3 this week against the Ravens. Yeah, and not against the Ravens, but also when you consider how many teams are on by, he is very startable this week. Yes. He's going to be startable as an RB2. And I know, because I've got to start him in a couple leagues where I've had him all year and I refuse to drop him. I tried everywhere to acquire

Starting point is 00:13:31 Bershad Smith. I was unsuccessful. All I've done is just stash all my com. You know what's going to happen, right? Everybody's going to get back on the Chase Brown train against the Jets and Mananga is going to outscorn this week. Watch. It's not impossible. although, man, I think the Jets have just flat out just quit. I think it's, I think it's done. I think it's over. It's not that it wasn't over already, but I mean, it's over, over. Like, you got to just, you can't even start these guys now because they just have no, no fight in them.

Starting point is 00:13:55 Tyrone Tracy, does he have any fight left in New York Giants? Nine carries for 46 and a touchdown, no target, so he wasn't involved in the receiving game there. But at the same time, that was a, well, I guess there's two ways to look at this. It was a very entertaining game, especially if you were a Denver Broncos fan. You love the end of that game. Giants fans, very frustrating to watch. but you still feel better about the Giants in that loss than you did about the Giants when Russell Wilson was still playing quarterback three weeks ago.

Starting point is 00:14:21 Oh, 100%. That's my take. I'm frustrated, as you know, I don't care about the Giants anymore. I care about the fact that 15% of the Survivor picks were going to be knocked out, and the stupid Giants blew that. Thank you very much, band kickers as well on top of it. They get the Eagles again. It's not as appealing, especially if Carter's out there for the Giants.

Starting point is 00:14:37 We know how much of a difference maker that he is. This is similar to as it was seeing like Trent Williams being lost on the offensive line for the 49ers. It's a big impact whether or not he's playing. It sounds like he's going to be fine again this week as he's been back out there. So it's not as appealing going against the Eagles. But the reason I throw Tracy in there is just go grab them. People need running backs right now. And then what you just brought up was interesting. Most of those carries came in the second half too. And they had the lead until the fourth quarter. This kind of goes down to the Cardinal situation is how many times do you expect the Giants to have the lead? Well, maybe more than you thought,

Starting point is 00:15:09 as you just brought up with Russell Wilson. So if you need running back help. And then the biggest thing here is what we already know. Yes, Tracy lost a job. He lost the job to Scatibu and whether or not because his injuries at Scatibu, we knew this was going to happen at some point. But if Scataboo gets hurt because he runs like the effing juggernaut. At some point, Tracy could potentially have RB2 value because Tracy is one Scataboo injury away from having this job back. Yeah, certainly could be. Cam Scatibu though. I mean, he's invincible. Let's not pretend like he's not. I hope so. I hope so too. Before we get to a couple bonus guys, quick shout out to, waiver Central is the tool that can help continue your pursuit for a championship.

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Starting point is 00:16:09 I definitely feel like we need to like just just just tear it down, rip it all down, whatever you got to do. And that would make Davis useful. And then let's talk about Tutin as well, Jake. What are your thoughts on those two guys before we get out today? Yeah, make sure you're stashing them. The big thing with Tutin is that might get overlooked now that the Jaguars aren't a buy because we've talked about this before. A lot of times people go to waivers and start by projected scores for the next week. He's not going to show up.

Starting point is 00:16:30 But Travis E. E.T.N was exciting. He was like, hey, he was the answer. And then all of a sudden, over the last two or three games, ETN started to fall back off. and Tutin's starting to get back into the mix, and we know the explosiveness. And we know how many times that changes happen after the buys with rookies, especially if they're later to the midpoint late in the season. And I'm not say Tutton's going to come out of the buy and take over,

Starting point is 00:16:50 but a 50-50 split of Tutton's involved, and then if it continues to continues, and then all of a sudden he does have the 60 percent, don't forget about Tutant. And then, yeah, Isaiah Davis, you brought it up. Brees Hall also was almost hurt. And out of that game, he came back. But we have a Breece Hall injury history, that whether injury or trade, Isaiah Davis could step in as only in RB2 because you mentioned like the Jets team is beyond miserable right now.

Starting point is 00:17:14 Yeah, certainly beyond miserable. That's a good way of describing the Jets or as I like to call them as good as it Jets. That's what I'm saying for everybody. Wow. It's just as good as it Jets. There you go. You're welcome, everybody. All right.

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The Herd with Colin Cowherd - FantasyPros - Jake Ciely’s Top 5 Fantasy Football Waiver Wire Targets For Week 8 (Ep. 1784)

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