The Herd with Colin Cowherd - FantasyPros - The Extra Point: Trade Questions, Tough Keeper Decisions, and Chat Q&A (Ep. 1665)

Episode Date: August 25, 2025

Join Chris Welsh and Andrew Erickson as they tackle your questions LIVE on Discord at fantasypros.com/chat. Timestamps: (May be off due to ads) Intro - 0:00:00 Twitch & Discord Chats - 0:00:30 Pick Poor In Redraft, But Who Do I Keep? - 0:02:45 JCM and 2nd for Tucker Kraft? - 0:08:06 Devonta Smith & AJ Brown, Who Do I Trade? - 0:14:15 FantasyPros Draft Assistant - 0:21:12 Time to Drop Anthony Richardson? - 0:25:43 2026 1st & 2nd for Omarion Hampton - 0:28:55 Metcalf & Brian Robinson for Chase Brown & a Mid-2nd - 0:31:10 Twitch Schedule - 0:33:45 Three Team Trade for Ladd McConkey? - 0:34:45 Where Is Best for targeting running backs? - 0:40:55 Is Omarion Hampton Okay in the Early Third? - 0:45:50 Helpful Links: Draft Assistant - Get live support during your fantasy football draft with the Draft Assistant. Connect the Draft Assistant to your draft and get real-time suggestions based on expert rankings, team needs, and positional scarcity. Get the most value out of every pick in your fantasy football draft with the Draft Assistant. Learn more at fantasypros.com/assistant or download our Fantasy Football Draft Wizard app on Google Play or App Store. Draft Simulator - Master your draft strategy by testing it out in minutes using our Draft Simulator. The Draft Simulator allows you to practice quick and fun, realistic mock drafts based on your league settings in minutes. Sync your league for FREE and try it today at fantasypros.com/mock. Follow us on Twitch - The team here at FantasyPros is taking questions all week, every week on Twitch. We've got exclusive live content there every single weekday. Follow us on Twitch at twitch.tv/fantasypros and never miss a stream! Discord – Join our FantasyPros Discord Community! Chat with other fans and get access to exclusive AMAs that wind up on our podcast feed. Come get your questions answered and BE ON THE SHOW at fantasypros.com/chat Leave a Review – If you enjoy our show and find our insight to be valuable, we’d love to hear from you! Your reviews fuel our passion and help us tailor content specifically for YOU. Head to Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever else you get your podcasts and leave an honest review. Let’s make this show the ultimate destination for fantasy football enthusiasts like us. Thank you for watching and for showing your support – https://fantasypros.com/review/ BettingPros Podcast – For advice on the best picks and props across both the NFL and college football each and every week, check out the BettingPros Podcast at bettingpros.com/podcast, our BettingPros YouTube channel at youtube.com/bettingpros, or wherever you listen to podcasts.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That's true. Didn't we do a segment together? Or maybe were we not in a segment together? No, they did. They put us away from each other. Well, they know that we have the extra point going every single week from here till January, February, March. Who knows? The extra point is here for everybody in the Discord. So yeah, man, I'm excited. This is one of the biggest draft weekends coming up. We are updating everything, rankings, all the promos, galore. What a time to be a lot. What a time to be alive. We just actually also had the, or at least I did, the fantasy pros company draft.

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Well, I want you to check out my build a little bit later. me what you thought of it about it and you guys can you can take advantages of some of the trends and we're all about those trends we'll probably talk about some of them throughout this so we've got a great audience here i see a bunch of handraids this is awesome and then i think i see some people loading up the chat so let's get to it uh erics i know you're ready for it let's have our boy wyatt kick off the show for us Wyatt come on down what do you got for us today hey bros can you hear me we got you brother sound good all right awesome uh love the all bringing this back. I got a little bit of a long-winded one. I did what everyone recommends

not doing in a redraft, and I traded picks from last year for players. So I don't have a fourth or a fifth round pick this year, and I have extra six, seventh, and tenth round picks. And then I picked up a third round pick from someone else and traded away mine. We're a half-p-pr, one QB, two running back, two wide receiver, tight end in a flex league. So my question is draft strategy with those picks missing. I have possibility of keeping

Trey McBride in the third or Chuba in the ninth. And I'm wondering with those two keepers should I go double wide receiver at the one and two or should I look at evening it out and doing running back and a wide receiver,

what strategy you think would be best with kind of my... Yeah, one keeper. Yeah, one keeper. keep them around earlier than you drafted them last year. Okay. So then like just the math, do it real quick for me. What did you actually lose?

Because you like you said you traded a third to a third. Did you lose like a four and a five and then you gained extra sixes and sevens? Is that right? I lost a four and a five and then technically an eighth rounder. And I gained an extra six, seventh and tenth. Okay. Gotcha. And then your question was keep Chuba at a nine, McBride at a three.

And then did you also want to just? no basic strategy or was it just the keepers? It was keepers and then what's like basically I'm thinking like whatever keeper I keep is going to determine my strategy. Like do I go zero RB? Do I with double running back or double wide receiver at the first and second round? If I go early tight end, that obviously basically solidifies zero RB for my strategy.

Absolutely. Okay. Yeah. There's actually a good one to start at the top of the show. It is a little convoluted. There's a lot to it. You threw me off too when you were like, did what you shouldn't do in redraft. And I was like, oh, what'd you do? Like early quarterback? And

you're like, I traded picks. And I was like, wait a minute. That's not redraft. That's a keeper. So Erickson, there's a lot to that basic roster construction. Let's start with third round McBride or ninth round Chuba. But we do have to consider that he's missing a couple picks in there if he were to keep that third round. He'd essentially have a one, a two. And then I guess he like, he'd be out a couple rounds of pick. So what do you think? Yeah, I think that this team is just begging to be a zero RV build because it just kind of makes it easy. If you just go with Dray McBride, you keep him, then you go receivers in the first two rounds if you're picking at the back end of round one. And considering there's keepers, you don't necessarily know who of the running back or wide

receiver pool is going to be available. But just knowing how the player depth is at the top, there's probably still going to be receivers available that are in that top 12 conversation where probably more of the running backs are going to be held. So although in a vacuum, I think that Hubbard is clearly the better value proposition. I think that when you're looking at longevity, I think McBride can be a game changer all year long, whereas Hubbard, very potential that, yeah, he starts out the year as the guy, but maybe Dowdell, again, he's operating on third downs. Trevor E.T.N, I think, is still really underrated as a rookie running back in this year's class.

So those guys just eat into Hubbard over the season, I think he can be productive to start the year, but there's a lot of running backs you can get late that can kind of be productive to start the year. So I'm ready to embrace the zero RB with this team and just kind of see how it goes and you're not going to be tempted to take any middle round running backs because you don't have any picks. So you got out to avoid that range anyway.

And yeah, so that's what I would do. Yeah, I think I'm, I think that there's a, it's like an understanding of why you could do the Chuba Hubbard because then you have like the top three picks and the only one keeper definitely put. what's the possibility of, like, good players are out there. But one of the things I guess I have is, like, one keeper is essentially going to take, like, a first round of,

most likely most of the first round out. So then now you're, like, drafting behind, and that fourth round can get a little dead zoning. So all of this to say that, like, with the missing picks, think you got to play the most upside, not try to play it safe here. And I completely agree with Erickson. McBride put you in elite tight-in territory.

You got to just kill those first two picks. You got to go big upside, not play it. safe and that might lead you into like a zero-ish RB build, you might have to be the guy that's like, I'm going to try to win with Austin Echler and Javante Williams as my running backs. And then those higher picks, you're taking like maybe two wide receivers or I don't know, maybe a quarterback falls to you. But I think we're generally kind of agreeing, whatever the actual strategy of the players you take is, I think McBride is the pick.

So it's one strategy built here. All right. The J-Town. The J-Town, come on down with the mock drafter moniker, join the stage, ask us questions, and we will all rejoice your fantasy glory. What's up, dude? Hello.

Hello, hello. Yo, hey, guys. Hey, Dan. Good, man. What you got? Good, good, good. Yeah, so I got a dynasty question. I got Hawkinson and Ben Sinan,

but I'm looking to upgrade to more of a longer-term tight end. And I just offered a J-CM to, taking advantage of the hype and a second rounder for a Tucker craft. So wait, you offered Kroski in a second to get Kraft or you were offered? Yes. Okay. I am offering and the deal seems to be almost a done deal. I'm just thinking if that's a good move or kind of wait on the hype a little longer.

Who is your tight end again? It's Hawkinson and Senate, so it's not necessarily a great long-term-ish way. Well, I mean, Hawkinson's only 28 years old. So I don't think that he's a terrible. And look, Ben Sinat got, you know, he got the Zach Ertz treatment. You know, the same thing we saw with Tray McBride a couple years ago where he didn't do much as a rookie. So I don't hate your current tight-end room maybe as much as you necessarily do. But when you throw Tucker Kraft in the conversation, I'm never going to say now.

Like, that's the thing. If you're going to get Tucker Kraft, then I think you're going to be a winner no matter what. I'm never going to say no to acquiring talented players whose value is going to rise in dynasty. Now, you're obviously taking advantage of Jacourri Crosky Merritt, which I think is smart, because even though I do think that he can definitely outproduce, you know, what he was valued at, you know, a couple months ago and be a productive running back for the commanders this year. He's not out of the woods like next year, right? He's still seventh round draft pick.

So what's going to, if he has a good year, what's the commanders, like, what's going to stop them from drafting running back next year? And then you can see his value kind of depreciate. So I think that you're getting fair return for Chorororquotis'amara, even though I don't think that I still think he's a worthy asset. This is something I would move him off to acquire. I think you and I are just in a different spot here. I'm kind of sitting here being like, if you have Hawkinson, why are you trading asset? I mean, I know Kraft is a little bit younger, but why are you trading assets, especially in like the pick department to get Kraft?

I don't. I think there's definitely an element of like wherever you sit on the Bill Kroski train, like things can change. Like maybe this is one of the most incredible opportunity. to maximize value on a player that's just going to be, I mean, I think they were just talking about like goal line usage could go to Chris Rodriguez, and you're going to have like a lot of receiving downs go to, obviously,

Austin Ecklers. So it's like if, if Kraski Merritt is stuck with, you know, 10, 12 carries a game, it's pretty minimal value. But if we're talking in, this sounds like a dynasty,

because there's just like a lot of players that are involved that are lower values, this is like a dynasty. I'm not sure I just want to give them away for nothing while you're, and again, I'm not saying Kraft does nothing, but you're also giving away a pick when you have Hawkinson. I think this might just be a firm kind of disagree with both of us. I don't see the value in trading for a craft when you have Hawkinson and you're giving

away two pieces. You might be able to maximize merits value somewhere else. Or how about this? What about Hawkinson and like a third round pick for Kraft, like something like that? So I don't know. I might be wrong. I might totally be wrong about this. But I think I'm on the like complete other side.

of a disagreement on acquiring a titan and dynasty when you have Hawkinson. Like if he said he's like, oh, I got, you know, Jake Ferguson or I got even, you know, further down, if he was like, I got Kyle Pitts and I'm worried, like, okay, that's a little bit of a different thing. But Hawkinson's not, I don't know. It's not nothing for the next couple years. Am I wrong? Right. No, I mean, like I said, like I didn't say that I necessarily hate his tight end room,

but he's just trying to take advantage of trying to get something out of Chikorikrosky Merritt. Yeah. And hey, like, what if Hawkinson gets hurt? And then I got to start Ben Sinat. Like, you might not be able to start him at all this year. So I think maybe he's looking at my tight end depth is not great. And Kraft is a player that when we're talking about him next year, his value is going to be much higher than it is right now. So that's why I am supportive of this idea because T'Corikorski Merritt, again, another player who we expect his value to increase.

We all want to try to figure out when the perfect time to sell him is, right? Because we've seen this picture before. We've talked with Isaiah Pacheco, Antonio Gibson, James Robinson. Like, the list goes on and on of these guys that were day three undrafted running backs that peak in their rookie years, but then they fizzle off, right? Like, what's Pacheco's dynasty value now? It's not that great. So that's why you're never going to sell him, I think, at the perfect time because it's just hard to project when it's going to be. But you know that you're going to have to try to sell him at some point.

So is it maybe a little bit early to do it right now? maybe, but at the end of the day, if you're getting Tucker Kraft, who I feel very strongly that he's going to have more value than he's next year, then Cross Comerre can kind of do whatever. As long as I get Kraft in the end and I then have a top, maybe top five tight end in Dynasty when we're talking about it next year, then it doesn't almost really matter what Cross Kimera does, whether he increases his value substantially or decreases it. So I like this deal. And again, I'm also massively huge on Kraft, which is why I'm also supportive of it. Yeah, I mean, your logic makes sense. And I don't think if you wanted to do it, it's bad. I guess my argument would just be like that, you know,

optimizing the, the Bill Grosky train, maybe there's just another place to do it. You know, maybe there's another player. Maybe there's someone that's willing to sell differently. But it makes sense. You know, maybe you can even push the guy to get the pick out, you know, or get a lower, a lower pick, like a fourth. Yeah, exactly, third or fourth or so.

Yeah, you say, hey, let's do a four and you guys meet in the middle at a third. And it's like, okay, it feels like a tiny bit better because the second round picks definitely can hold a lot of value, assuming that that's like a second round pick in the rookie drafts for next year. There's still a lot of second round value in there that I'm just not sure I want to quite give up there. But if you want to get out from Bill Kroski, then, you know, maybe those are the type of things. I would just maybe poke around the league and see if there's someone else that's like R.B. Desperate or something like that. So a good conversation, very good conversation. The father man, father man's in the house.

What you got, man? How's going on, guys? How are you doing today? What's up, brother? doing good. Hey, I got a nice question for y'all as well, dude. I've got a pretty good team as far as running backs and wide receivers go, but at the end of last year, I ended up with Defonte Smith and A.J. Brown, and probably going to go ahead and get rid of one of them. Should I get rid of one of them, and what do y'all think I should ask for, or should I just hang on to both of them

and ride it out to, like, mid-season, and then get rid of one later? What are y'all thinking? I'm down to get rid of one. I don't think that I think this is kind of a nuanced thing because I think the maybe the easy answer or the first part of the answer is like what gets you more, which should be A.J. Brown, but it's a dynasty in age. And if it's not something that looks, if people are trying to buy low, I would have absolutely no issue going into the season. Like, I don't know if I would actively be like, I got to get out from under.

Sometimes I feel like people get in their heads where it's like, all right, Got to get this got to get this guy out. I got to team, you know, over the age, whatever it is. Like, I got to trade him. And then you start to look at trades in a different lens. And I don't like doing that. I don't like desperation being the lens that makes me make a move. So if someone's not willing to like really push into a trade, I'd probably move away.

I'm open to doing both of them. But like clearly Devante Smith is the one I'm probably looking to get out from. What say you, Erickson? Yeah, it's tricky because you have the age element at play. you look at both wide receivers and you could argue that last year was kind of one of the worst. Worse is probably not right way to describe it, but less than ideal situations for them to thrive as fantasy assets, just given how run heavy the Eagles were last year.

And that's just not going to happen two years and around. The Eagles are going to throw more. So I still kind of feel like you're selling low on these two players because the stigma around the Eagles offense is they just runs the ball so much. But I mean, if Seguan-markly does, end up missing any games and the egos have to throw the ball more. That's where you're going to want to sell after that. After you see a, oh, AJ Brown got 15 targets in a game or Devante Smith.

Devante Smith, when you see his numbers that he posts when guys miss time, whether it's AJ Brown or Dallas Goddard, he turns into a wide receiver one. It's why he's such a hard player for me to rank and draft because his splits are so eye-popping when guys miss time. When all those other guys are healthy in the lineup, he doesn't. doesn't do that much. But when one guy misses, he immediately steps in as an alpha wide receiver. So I guess for me, if I'm really playing the long-term game, eventually there's probably going to be a time when Devante Smith maybe steps up into a true wide receiver one role. If the Eagles move on

from AJ Brown at some point, you know, I'm not exactly sure how that will necessarily play out. But I think that, yeah, to your point, you can probably get more for AJ Brown. And I think I'd rather hold on to DeVante Smith just in the long term based on the age and his body of work. So kind of a loaded answer, I guess, to that particular question. But I don't think right now is really the best time to sell them. I mean, they're both really good players that you can start every single week. And if one of them disappoints, it's usually because the other one is the one that's performing. So when you combine the guys two scores, you're usually pretty happy with each player or that total combined output basically every week.

Yeah, and like you also asked what would be what we would target. That's really tough to say because I think anyone that's buying A.J. Brown is in a win now mode. And then I'm going to give you, if they were to give you wide receivers, it's going to be you buying on a lower name. Like you'd have like a younger lower name. Like you'd have to go and get Romadunze and something. Like would you trade, would you trade away AJ Brown for Roma Dunesay in a second round pick? And a second round pick And you get a second and a dunes a while you move away

A.J. Brown off of your team. You want to do that? Not if I'm a contender, no. So that's my point. Not a contender, yeah. The only other way you could do it is if you're trading like, okay, I'm getting rid of A.J. Brown because I have a deficit at running back. This other team has a high-end running back. But like they'd have to trade you like a Josh Jacobs to be equivalent or something like that.

So I just like, I think if you're a contender, you're in a position where I don't think this is going to make a ton of sense. If you are rebuilding a little bit, then I think you can really get creative. Conversely, let's, because we like talking about this particular player, because he's fun to talk about, would you trade A.J. Brown, Jacori-Crossky merit for Nico Collins. So I trade away Brown and Croski to get Nico. Yes. Okay. So maybe that, because again, like, we always try to think about kind of not necessarily, moving down, but using these players to move up, like move up a tier. And I think that, again, Nico's not also like the youngest player. I think that he's 26.

So, I mean, not an old receiver by any means. But I mean, I was shocked, Welsh. When you look at the odds to lead the NFL in receiving yards, you know who's number one? It's not, it's not, I would say Chase. It's Chase. Yep. But you know who's number two? Nico Collins.

Really? With Lamb and, uh, and Jefferson out there? Wow. I think it has to go down to the tar. competition in the quarterback. Like, who is Nico Collins compete with, it's Christian Kirk. Like, that's the starter in the offense and then rookies. Like, so the path for Nico to just go absolutely bonkers is totally in play this year.

And you just look at his body work in terms of receiving arts per game. He's top five last two seasons. Since CJ Stroud became the Texans quarterback, Nico Collins has basically been a top five wide receiver in the NFL. Like, that's the case here. And because it took him a couple years to break out. out because the Texas quarterbacks were so bad for so long. And then they got Stroud.

And then he immediately just like melted faces. I think he's still kind of like undervalued a little bit in Dynasty. So maybe even AJ Brown straight up for Nico Collins would work. But I guess that's kind of how my mind is kind of working with. I think about, you know, AJ Brown. And also too, like if you want trade recommendations, use the trade analyzer part of the fantasy pool's toolkit. And also we have the dynasty trade value chart that updates every single

month we're doing another update after roster cutdowns next week. So that'll be updated and ready to go. So those have value number and inputs for each of the players along with picks. So that can give you another idea of where those players are valued. By the way, what's CD Lamb on that number for leading the league in receiving yards? I think that he's next. I think that he's in, he's in, I mean, it's like the typical guys in the top five. It's Jefferson.

What are the numbers like? Are they like two to one, three to one? Like what are they bigger? better. I'll leave the NFL in receiving it. It's not that short of, I think they're all longer than that. I'm pretty sure. I can pull it up right now if you want to do a little read while you look that up because

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What are those odds looking like, Erickson? So yeah, just pulled them up. So Chase is the favorite, 6 to 1, Nico's 10 to 1, Jefferson's 10 to 1. Lamb is 10 to 1. Puka, Malik, Thomas, kind of like 10 to 15 to 1. So those are the top ones. So yeah, Nico is number 2 there. I don't.

Mind the Nico, but I'm hearing neighbors and I'm here in Lamb and I'm hearing odds and I kind of want to maybe place a little feature on both. And you could do with the Ben Proz app. Do you think that it's, you think it's, I mean, I thought it was not like surprising, but I mean, for Toneco for him to be up there. Right. No, I think it is surprising. No, what you said is like, I, like, if you would have asked me without any like, set up, who are the guys? I would have said Chase. I would have said Lamb.

I would have said Jefferson. and Nico would have not been in the top three. And frankly, I would have said neighbors at four. So for Nico to be two, it is very telling to where the books are at. Yeah. And I think that it just goes to show what his ceiling is in the Texans offense, right? If he can hit his 99th percent out outcome, you're looking at a player that, I mean, can Nico Collins win the Chipple Crown? Like, we know he can, we know his yardage is just going to be there.

Maybe the receptions is probably the thing that's what, hold him back and then anyone, again, you're going over 1,400 receiving yards. He has the ability to score anywhere on the field, so the touchdowns that they could also come. It would probably just be the reception. It's probably the only thing that would hold him back just because he's more of been a yards per route run kind of savant, not necessarily like a target hog because he's been really super efficient. But is this the year where, I mean, last year, remember, we were concerned about, well, Takedel is there and Diggs is there. And he ran circles around those guys, it wasn't even close. Like we watched a week one for Nico Collins

And I immediately knew it was like wow I was like I was so wrong about Nico This guy is alpha And you gotta fade alphas at your own risk Welsh Fade I put that on a shirt Fade alphas at your own risk My god Just put Nico Collins

Just put Nico on there Guys put that on a fantasy pro shirt Immediately Erickson dropping heat here I love that all right Let's get back to the listeners here 336 Hokie What's up So I'm going.

What's the dream, baby. Let's go. So I drop my team in the chat. Ericson, you've already actually had to look at it and give me some feedbacks. I've got three points I want to hit, and I'll try to hit them a quick. I'd respect to everybody else. So first off, you have a 12-team dynasty, 1 QB, half-PR. I've got four QBs right now, which I know is at least one too many.

And given the word on Anthony Richardson, is it time for me to just drop him and move on? but why what would you draw by the way he's got bow knicks cam ward dac prescott and anthony richardson my question would be why and for what like what would be the point to dropping him to pick up what off the wire uh yeah there's nothing much i can pick up then absolutely yeah yeah because like richardson so people put out here interesting points of like hey listen if richardson were to have started the season and have be a little bit of a failure and they make the move because he'd be like, oh, Daniel Jones could be the savior. I think you're in for some real big messiness.

There's a scenario where Daniel Jones stinks up the place for three weeks. All that Saikin was talking about is they need consistency out of Richardson. He's the future. Second half of the year, he's the starter. He's incredible trade bait for you. So unless you're like, oh, Kroski's sitting out there, I would not make the cut of Richardson. That is a lot of quarterbacks, though, but I wouldn't do it.

Well, it can bring me to my next question. So I'm good with that. That's kind of how I was feeling. but I didn't want to be stubborn and sentimental about it. Given the QBs I have, I sort of see Nix is possibly now and possibly in the future. Prescott's definitely now. I think you could have a big season. Or too early to say, should I be looking at moving on Ward or Prescott in your opinion?

What do you think, Erickson? I would be comfortable literally taking all these quarterbacks and being like, who's given me the best value. And if someone's given me a nice value, I don't care really who it is, knowing you have DAC in the future for Ward. if someone wanted Knicks or vice versa, but what do you think, Erickson? I would trade Dak. I think that he's an easy, so high since it's kind of weird,

but I feel like that he's viewed pretty positively, even though he's coming off a terrible season where he got injured. I get that things should be better. They're added pick-ins, but they're also playing the Eagles in week one on the road, and Tyler Guyton, who's starting tackle has missed all of the off-seat for Dallas.

Like, it just doesn't set up well for Dallas, I think, to start out of the gates, red hot. They have this, Michael Parsons saying, I know he plays defense, but just like it's just more drama with the Dallas Cowboys every single year. So for me, I'm a Cowboys fan too, which makes it even worse. Right.

So you know exactly what I'm talking about here. So I mean, I think you have enough, you know, horses in the quarterback stable. Like you said, you got Bo Nix. I mean, I think that he's, look, he has everything that you need from a fantasy perspective. He's mobile. He's in a great system, great offensive line. Horses in the stable, Erickson. Damn you.

And Cam Ward has another t-shirt. another t-shirt and cam ward obviously I think has room to grow but I would agree with Welsh about you can't just cover Richardson is younger than Cam Ward like we got to keep that in mind guys like this guy I know that right now he's on

he's on the trail lands trajectory which is not great because he just needs to play more but he can't because he keeps getting injured but the minute that he gets a start he could start one game you could see his fantasy value double after one good game so like right now you just

hold hold Hold the richer son and if Prescott blows up a game, stop him around a little bit. Yep. 100%. So next topic, running back, going into our rookie pre-agent draft, I had Jonathan Taylor and Brown Robinson Jr. So I knew I needed to improve on that.

And I started, I was sitting at the 105. I basically decided I really wanted to get Henderson. So I traded first and second and 26 to grab the 103 as well and got Henderson, hoping to get Tet at 5. He went at four, so I got Travis Hunter, which leads me with Hunter and Brian Tom Wilson. I know, Eric, you told me the other day, you were good keeping them both. Gosh, you agree? Agreed.

Oh, absolutely. You've got great depth. Thomas and Wilson and your top receivers on the bench right now are Pearsall and Hunter. Like, those are great dynasty keeps. I have no issue with Hunter, and I think he's going to eat. So he's your fourth wide receiver, and you only technically start two. I think you're in a great spot. You wouldn't look to move either one of any of those guys at this.

At this point. If someone's paying a super high price, I'd listen. But yeah, I think you paid a high price in those picks. If I'm not interested in trying to get like trading Travis Hunter for a first round pick next year, I think you're trying to compete. You have a team that I think you got a few holes. Like, Kincaid is your starting tight end. I'm not the biggest Bo Nix guy on the planet. Like so if someone, you know, if I could upgrade, great.

But otherwise, like, he has Jonathan Taylor, Chase Brown, Brian Thomas, Garrett Wilson, Trayvionand Henderson. That's a big core. I don't look to trade just to. trade. If somebody wants to pay up and here's the place, though, it's not the time to do it. We just talked about this on a mock draft show with Seeley. It hasn't aired yet. Worme, Sealy, Boggs. And Sealy and I also did this other show where it was talking about upside picks. We were talking about Godwin and Travis Hunter. And like about a month ago, those two dudes were like super popular picks. Everyone's like, oh, Godwin will be okay. And he's such a value.

And Travis Hunter, he's going to have it all. As the drafts have started, those guys are falling. They're now being pushed back more. Travis Hunter used to be a guy that was going into the mid-20s and sometimes. He's fallen to the 30s now. People are scared and worried about usage and they're just being a little bit more risk-averse. This is not that my point is this is not the time to trade him. This would not be the time I would be looking to trade Travis Hunter. Let him go out and have an explosive game. Let him have a game where he catches four balls for 95 yards and a touchdown and then has a pick and people are losing their mind, even though the interception doesn't mean anything. People, oh my God. I drive is Hunter. Then you look and see if someone out there wants to do something stupid. So that's when I would look at doing that. Did that answer all your questions, Hokey? One more. Well, not really as much a question, but just a comment.

So after our draft, then I had said I had B-Rod before, and I also had that Gaff moved the two of them together to get Brown and a 26 second round pick. To get what? I got, I traded. No, I know who you traded. What did you get? Chase Brown and a 26 second, probably mid-second. You did great. You're bragging.

Now you're just hearing you bragging about all your amazing. No, no, I'm joking. I'm teasing you. I feel like it was a good deal, but I feel like my running, my running backs have actually turned into a strength now where it was a weakness going into the draft, but I've thinned my wide receiver depth a little. It's a dynasty, man.

Yeah, good stuff, Hoki. That's the world of dynasty, Erickson, where you're wheeling and dealing and you're trading and you're trying to have bench versus like, you know, the strong starters win now versus playing for the future or trying to be in and out. Like there's a fine line and a dance with all of that. And hookie's done a good job.

He's got a great, great roster out there. Yeah, it's got a ton of upside, good young players on it. And I personally, like, again, I know I talked about the Brian Thomas, Travis Hunter combination. I think that just in Dynasty, it's under, talked about under valued strategy is just like stacking teams, right?

Because if Brian Thomas missed his time, like, who's the number one benefactor of that probably? Why Travis Hunter? Like, and in that way, it's like, you're maybe not playing Travis Hunter as much if Brian Thomas is healthy, but it just gives you an opportunity, especially because injuries are going to happen

to every single team. Every single fantasy team is going to have to deal with injuries. And because Dynasty rosters are so deep versus redraft, you can have these backup players, these handcuff players that are ready to go and they provide you more value to your roster than someone else's value. You know, again, for an example, like, this team doesn't have Talish Brooks on it, but, like,

if you can get Tash Brooks for, like, nothing, add them on there. You got Chase Brown, just in case Chase Brown gets banged up. Boom. You throw in Towers and you have an RB2 or something along those lines. So that's how I kind of think, I think that's a good strategy in Dynasty. Yeah, same thing with, like, DJ Giddens. Like, go get Giddins in there. Yeah.

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I love my team currently. It's a redraft. 10 team, full PPR, 2RB, 2.R. 2.I. Receiver, 1 Flex. I have Chase Brown, Karen Williams, Justin Jefferson, Cortland Sutton, and Ted McMillan. So happy with it. But, man, I'm a Chargers fan.

I really want to make my conkey. And I really want to trade for him. So I set this up, and it's like a three-team trade. So it's all complicated. So, in short, to you guys, is this a reach? Karen Williams, Corlin Sutton, and Calvin Ridley,

who I also have, for James Connor, Ladd McConkey, and Tony Pollard. Say it one more time. Just say the combo again. It was Cairn Sutton. Oh, three for three.

Karen Sutton and Calvin Ridley. Okay. For James Connor, Ladd McConaughy and Tony Pollard. Okay, this is a big one. those are a wide receiver two and a three with an RB one essentially for it was like two RB2 types and a wide receiver one what do you think about that Erickson that would give him Jefferson Chase and Ladd so so basically so it's basically the way I see it so I would say that Ridley I mean I'm pretty high on Ridley so like maybe saying Ridley Sutton is a wash. But I think it's pretty close, just like what they're going to do this

specific year. I think they're both, like, strong. But he's trading them both. He's not getting one of them. He's trading away Sutton and Rad. So Connor and Kyron, Sutton and Lad. So what you have to do is you got to cross-cancel like Connor and Sutton. Are you okay cross-canceling those guys as value? I mean, I think when Connor's healthy, he can be just as good as Kiron. It's just a matter of like when he gets hurt. Like that's like the only thing that with James Connor. I guess the math I'm doing is like, you got to like be like, All right, Ladd for Kyron, Connor for Sutton, and then Pollard and Ridley. And if there's a little bit of a plus value on the Connor side over Sutton, does that make up for the plus value you're giving away for Ridley to get Pollard?

Hopefully, I made that make sense. I think that if his goal was to get Lad, I think that this is a fair deal to do that. I think it's a fair deal on both sides. I don't think that there's like a clear cut. oh, this team is totally winning this deal. You're winning this deal because you're getting the player you wanted and you're paying an adequate price to get said players. So I think that you're not overpaying.

I don't think this is like a steal by any means. I think it's fair. I think both sides are getting a fair deal based on the market prices where they were probably drafted in ADP. Pollard's gotten a bump the last couple weeks because of the Spears injury. But there's Spears is probably going to come back at some point. So how does that change thing? I guess like when the only thing I would look at this trade is it definitely is weighted a little bit more towards the early season because you're getting two running backs versus having two receivers, which I think will help you to begin the year, which I think helps counteract losing Kyron, who is your best running back that you're moving away.

You're getting two running backs. It should start the season high on a high note. And then like I said, like you're getting a Lab McConkey, who is the guy you were going after anyway. So yeah, I will co-sign that this is a good deal. Yeah, I mean, I'm down. I love getting lad. I mean, having Ladd, Chase and Jefferson, that's so stupid. And Dynasty, like the valuation or our...

I don't think he said it was Dynasty. Well, or a higher keeper. I'm assuming this was because he had those guys. I don't know how you would have Chase and Jefferson without it being a keeper. So Dynasty or Keeper, whatever. To have those three, the valuation of wide receivers is usually above running backs. I will say that, like, you're trading away three assets that have... I think you could roughly say four plus years of easy production to get only one guy that really does.

I mean, we're about done with Connor and we're about done-ish with Pollard. You know, we're getting close to there. So like, Ridley, his best season might be right in front of him. Yeah, but isn't he going to be keeping all those receivers anyway, the next five, six years with Chase, Jefferson, and Lad? Yeah, 100%. So, like, that's why I'm kind of building this out to just say, like, there's higher value. but like I don't think he said the amount of keepers or I didn't hear it. So if you were to say like, oh, this is only five keepers, then it's like, okay, well, you know,

you're getting those three wide receivers as your keepers. It's a no-brainer. I just think you said it best. Like, this is fine. This is a fine trade. You are not like having a smoking deal. You're not going to run away with this like, ha-ha, got you at all. I think you're paying up.

You're paying up a lot of depth. But you also are going to have the sickest wide receiver core with two running backs that are going to probably help you carry this year. You'll just have to do some work. later, but it should cost. Ladd should cost up in any type of keeperish format. So, yeah, I think it's a fine trade. I'm down with it.

I think when push comes a shove, you're getting the best player into deal, which is sad. That is something I always look at. That's like the first thing I look at. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wait. He said Chase Brown, not Jamar Chase. Oh, wait, so he doesn't have

Jamar Chase? You got to give us full names. People do that all the time. And we're, if you say Chase? I think he said Chase Brown. No, I think about it. Oh, then I'm an idiot. I heard I mean, there's a lot of chases. They both play for the bank holes. Like, it's a, I think you're okay. So then, oh, just real quick, that change it from, from, he would have had Jefferson, Sutton, and Ridley with Kyron and Chase to now having Jefferson Ladd somebody. And then, I mean, it doesn't really change it for me, honestly. Yeah, I guess it doesn't really change it either. It's

fine. Yeah. And we could probably run circle. That's all the dynasty is. We could run circles around these trades like a million times over. Perception. Supp. Hey, what's going on guys? Can you hear me? Yeah, we got you good dude. Sweet. I've got I guess it's a running backs question. Just for some

context in the league. It's a redraft league, 10 man PPR. You start two running backs, two receivers and two flex. Having the draft tomorrow, so getting my last notes together. My problem is, I love the wide receiver value like everywhere. I'm picking at 8 in the 10 man, so I'm at the turn, and I love the receivers at

rounds 1 and 2, and I love the receivers in rounds like 5 through 8. And so I'm really struggling to find where I'm at on the board I want to invest fixing running back. So I guess I'm just asking, where are you guys liking to target running backs this year? Do you like going Gentie at the 108 and doing a hero running back, or do you tend to kick it down the board a little more? We'll probably differ a little bit on this. You say Gentie, I see McCaffrey. I love McCaffrey. I probably be fine with Gentie. I got to be honest, though, like, at eight, I'm probably, like, you got to give me, it's got to be like a McCaffrey or, like, if a Sequin fell, Sequin fell to nine in the draft we just did. That's where I would jump on it. Then comparative to the wide receivers,

it'd be hard for me to pass on Pooker and neighbors. So then I would probably turn my focus to the second round if maybe Gentie fell. I'd even be comfortable with a Henry. So here's the answer. I am probably more likely to invest in at minimum one high running back, a heroish running back. And then like you said, I agree with you. Tap those wide receivers. So if I have the eighth pick, and I don't remember if you said it was a 10 man, like give me one of those running backs at the first or second round with a wide receiver. Third round, we're probably going back to wide receiver. And then fourth and fifth, I'm open to still tapping wide receivers, but I'm looking for a couple of those shots.

lots at running backs I want. So like in theory here, just on this out here, you go, let's say McCaffrey's at 8, and then you come back around in the second and you get, you know, London or AJ Brown. And then you, you know, in the third round, you're going to take another wide receiver. Let's just call it like DJ Moore. I might look at Trayvion Henderson in the fourth to get that second running back. And then I'm just tapping those wide receivers. I'm like, please fall to me, Calvin Ridley. Give me Ricky Piersall. That's kind of a structure of how I would approach it. Erickson, where does it differ? I mean, I kind of agree with you for the most part.

I know I just, like, perception was talking about how the receivers at the top of the board are so, so good. So good. I just, I feel, I feel so, I, like, want them so badly on my team. And I understand that there's obviously a drop off at running back. But I'm also, I also understand that this year's crop of running backs with all the rookies, like a lot of, after week one, these rookies are going to be viewed very differently, I think. Like, Gentie is a round one pick. Hampton is a round three pick.

Henderson, round four, RJ Harvey, round five. These are, I feel like they're going to move like all over the place, like either up or down just based, and they could all move up if they all just smash in week one. And we're going to be convinced like they all should have been like, you know,

top two round running back picks or something along those lines. So look, I'm willing to risk it a little bit and push running back down the board. I also love Gentie. I also, I mean, I'm not anti-Christian McKay. I want to be transparent with that.

I'm definitely more anti-Saquel and Barclay this season. But I also understand, like, when the fantasy playoffs come around, like, I'm very skeptical that McAfri is going to be part of your team at that point, right? I think that he can come out of the gates, gun blazing, like, on fire. And something I've actually, I, Welshman kind of interested your thoughts. Something I've been toying with when it comes to McCaffrey is like, yeah, you're drafting him, you know, 106, 107, et cetera. Week one comes, you know, he stays healthy.

You just, it's just one week. He just only has to stay healthy for one week. Everyone gets convinced that he's back all the way, wheels up, and then you can trade him for anybody. Yeah, if you can. I'm open to it. Sure. I'm open to over pace. I thought it was something I was thinking about.

Now, if I was only playing in one league, like, I would still go with Gentie because, again, I want to play the long-term game. I think that Gentie is the better long-term bet for this year to be there for you all 17 weeks versus McAfrey, who, yes, could be better points per game. I'm fully admitted to that. but if he's not there during the fantasy playoffs, like that can only get you so far. I mean, getting there is half the battle, but that's another else I was thinking about.

Yeah, I'll just be real quick, because I want to get one more question in because we got to get at the top of the hour. But I would say, I don't think I would take McCaffrey 1-8 in the idea that I'm going to immediately flip him. I don't think that's a good idea.

But I'm open if you got him. He fell to the second round and you want to do that, sure. Another thing that is happening is A-chan has fallen like crazy. So maybe what you do is if like a neighbor's falls to eight, you take neighbors at eight, you see if one of the other really awesome wide receivers falls to you or a gentie and if they don't you can pivot take a little bit of a risk on a hero running back like a chan especially in ppr and then you just jump back under those wide receivers that's something you can do scooby you've had your hand for a while we've only got like a minute or two so i want to make sure to get yours so what you got scoby Hey, how's it going guys?

Good, dude. Just real quick for context, I'm in a 12-man PPR ESPN format. I have the third overall pick, and I was very comfortable until I just brought this up to the mock draft people. But is it too early to reach for Amarian Hampton that early third-round pick? I know my league well, and he will not come back to that fourth. You're saying in the high third-round pick? Yeah, yeah. And this is 12th team, you said?

Yeah, 12 team, PPR, ESPN format. Okay, no, I don't think so. It's going to, it's always, it's always based around like what's out there. Like if you were like, well, I'm passing, I'm taking Hampton and, this is a horrible example, but like, Breece Hall. But like, you know, maybe a Kyron Williams or something is out there. Maybe that's a little pushing it. But there is a weird territory of running backs where like Ken Walker and the issues and Bruce Hall and losing time. And it's like those are common like third round picks.

I don't think it's a worst thing. I would just argue that I'll bet you a high third round pick. there's like just better value sitting out there. But what do you think, Erickson? I think round three is really polarizing this year. I think there's a lot of ways that you can go because that's also where you start to see elite quarterback. I mean, if you want to take the safest player on the board in round three, it's like

Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen. Exactly. Like that like that's like the safest pick. I love taking Lamar in the third round. You're not, I mean when again, like when you're looking at the board like those running backs you just mentioned, like they have some qualms about them. You know, trade McBride's another option there where you feel like pretty good about him, but like, like, it's Garrett Wilson.

It's J.S.N. It's T. Higgins. Who I do, I feel better about T. Higgins, but like, Garrett Wilson, I have definitely cooled on. Like, I don't know how you can feel like significantly better about Garrett Wilson. After the last month of Jets training camp reports with the passing game, just being like very, very lukewarm at best, I would say about, you know, what's Garrett Wilson's upside? And really think about round three, you know, is Garrett Wilson in a position where, I mean, I still think that he can be, you know, around his ADP, wide receiver 15 area.

But in your position where if you reflect on your draft and you're like, man, I lost my fantasy because I didn't draft Garrett Wilson. Like, I just, I don't think that's going to happen. So that doesn't necessarily mean he's going to not return his value. But for him to exceed and bury you, I don't think is necessarily in his range of outcomes unless he really does take that DJ more level leap like we saw a couple of years ago with Justin Fields. And even that point, that he was wide receiver six.

So he wasn't even a top five wide receiver with Justin Fields. So I think that you can pass on Wilson, whereas with O'Marion Hampton, you're taking your shot. Like, there's a story to be told this year where Ameren Hampton was the guy you need. You know, as a first round rookie running back in a super talented class. So, I mean, if you would have taken him at the end of round three, I don't see a big difference between taking him at the beginning of round three necessarily. But just no, like, if you want the safest route, you should just take a quarterback. I think there's a tier of players, like if a J.S.N. or a J.J. Brown or. Or there's a couple of players, like, if they were to fall,

I do think that's something you would regret. But there are so many players that have these little cadiots where if it's like, oh, I'm staring at like Tyreek Hill and Garrett Wilson and Brees Hall, it's like, yeah, you can take your shot. But I also do, and I do think that you probably already plan this, that you need to be taking wide receivers beforehand. So. Yeah.

Someone that has also fallen a lot to me, I've noticed in round three. And it's because it kind of like, it's kind of coincided with like the Chase Brown Rise, who used to be like an auto pick in round three for me. And now he's going in round two. Yeah. Jonathan Taylor sometimes falls in a round three. And I kind of get why he's falling, but I think that he's going to see enough volume where he'll probably pay off around three ADP, where I'm definitely more open to taking him because he's usually been a round two guy. But he's fallen to me in a couple spots where I'm like, well, I don't feel great about any of these other guys. I'll just pick Jonathan Taylor, bank 300 carries and take it home. Take my ball home with me. There you go, friends. That is it. That is the extra point live on Discord every Thursday, 2 p.m. Eastern. Why don't you guys, if you're listening on the podcast, make sure you get it a day before it airs,

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