The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Francis Ngannou Part 2

Episode Date: December 6, 2023

But the real knockout is Francis Ngannou's incredible journey from Africa to Paris in 14 months – barbwire fences, inflatable boats, and more adversity - which displays why Francis isn’t afraid to go up against anyone. How about a culture lesson? Francis breaks down the true meaning of polygamy in Africa. Also, Francis shares the moment he knew he made it after traveling to the USA for the first time. Hold onto your gloves; this episode's a title bout of surprises. For example, you’ll never guess who Francis want to play him in a movie. Hint: it rhymes with “Skilled This Fella”. It's a heavyweight talk you won't want to miss! #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He was very tough, very, very tough. But I do believe that that was my... That's your foundation. Regardless of what happened. I mean, if I have to go back, I swear to God, I will not choose that life. Although, I still believe that it's still the best life that I could have had as a kid. Even though I couldn't, I can choose that life, it was a best best thing for me that I needed. Your father was a street fighter.

Is that kind of what drove you to the MMA? Is that what? I mean, because, I mean. He was a multiple staff. If it wasn't only that aspect, first of all, I love Comba. Okay. Like at my very, you always? And my, as far as I can remember, I always love Comber.

You know, in Cameroon, the men's ball would be like soccer, football. Okay. And I was playing football because for us, it's like culture. Right. You know, like you don't have to love football to play football. It's like culture stuff. Everybody, every kid play football. But it wasn't my thing. My thing was fighting and I remember like I was asking kid around like okay, let's try this

Let's try this play the bad guy and the good guy and this and I'm like you're too violent You're too violent. Were you always the bigger kid? For my age yet, but I grew up around people that were like three years older than me You know we were going to school like I was three three three years. years younger, but we were all the same side until like maybe the day that at school, they have to read our birthday. And people will look around like, damn, there's a baby in the class. What the hell are you doing here?

Right. Like, because I was younger, but I was just as big as everyone. Right. Right. How many brothers and sisters do you have? I have three brothers and one sister. I'm the second oldest. And then second older.

And then my sister is the fourth. out of five. So obviously in Cameroon, I'm assuming that you come from a working class family that you guys had to work. You worked, if I'm not mistaken, salt my as a child. No, it's sandmine.

Sanmire, yeah. Well, I think we were even a little below the working. Okay, you were below that. I don't quite know below working class, but okay, we'll go with that. Yeah, we were below working class because unlike us, me, my brother and I, no other kids started to work at that age. Right. Right.

Like nine year old working in the San Quarry, what the hell can you do? I mean like even the shovel, empty shovel for a nine years old kid was already enough. Right. Lucky for me, I was bigger than nine years old, so I could have carried that and I was strong. So I would carry that and shrivel a little bit of sand. And after go do different stuff, you know, we had to do that in order to sustain our life to help in the house. So, yeah, I did that my entire life. So later on in my letter on, when we were a teenager, other kids were coming, maybe around 14, 13, other kids were now coming to do.

other kids was, we're now coming to do that because they feel like, okay, this is the age that they can start. But by the time we were pro- They started at 13, 14, you already been doing that since you were not. So we were like the teacher, like teaching them how to start, how to work, you know, working them through everything. What I tell people is that my upbringing was kind of hard too. But working the jobs that I had, Francis, it let me know what I didn't want to do for

the rest of my life. Doing that in the sand minds, did that let you know, man, I ain't trying to do. do this when I get my dad's age or when I get older. Oh, absolutely. I mean, it wasn't only that. Everything that I have done in my life, I remember so many times. I haven't worked, but this was like later on. I would work in the sand mine because I was always concerned about my life, like future,

think about my future, like, okay, what will happen at this moment? And I will walk in the sandman. I see this guy like maybe 55, 60 years old, his chivalry sand. I would look at him and then like have like you know feel weird like this you know like I have a goose bomb like shit so if I don't do something I can find myself here at 60 years or something that's not going to happen right there's no way that that's going to happen right he has to change right to be different and that's happened to me a lot even when I left the village I went to the city we were carrying merchandise unloading truck and staff and there was still a people older that was working that job and I'm like, man. So if I stay here, if I get settled, I might just end up like this guy

because this guy actually just think like, oh, okay, let's just do it and then didn't think of tomorrow and then year just go by, he didn't realize. Then I'm like, no, I have to be awake, I have to be awake, notice the time going And because this can end like this, I can find myself here at this age.

But the problem is that like when you have those kind of talk, thought, if you express it, then it's kind of like insulting those people. And then in Africa, like when you, when a adult fear, an elder person who is very disrespectful, right? So I'm in the village, maybe I'm 10 years old, 12, 15 years old. And they all believe that are going to become a farmer or a carpenter or maybe go learn mechanic and stuff.

I'm like, no, I'm going to do this. I'm going to be a professional fighter. They'll be like, like who? Nobody has ever done that here. It's not mean for us, right? It's not for us. It's for somebody. Look around you and this is your reality.

And I'm like, yeah, I agree. But although I still want to give. give it a shot. So therefore, it seems like, okay, you're looking down to people, like you didn't have a better life. You didn't choose a better job. And then they started to feel that and reject on you. They didn't just because nobody has a big, a dream big enough to understand that you're just dreaming. You know, you are not even thinking about them, but you're thinking about you and what you want. You're not looking down on them, but you're looking better for yourself. On them, but you're looking up for yourself. Yeah. Right.

So that's how my upbringing was also tough because like just carry, just keep dreaming, just have this mentality of a dreamer. He was something hard to manage out there in the mirror of a people that they don't have dream. They don't expect something big to happen for them. And that set me to the point that people, I'm like, oh, this kid is a bad kid. I was a very bad kid for people. Like when I go someplace, people didn't even want me. to mix in the mirror of their kid. I'm like, this kid is a bad kid,

he's gonna intoxicate our kid right here. Like his mindset is not good. His dreaming is so high. Like he's gonna end up robbing a bank, a bang, because he won an easy life. Right. Like, what do you mean an easy life? I'm saying, I might just go out there and get punches

on my face, not easy life. Right. But they didn't believe that it could have happened. Basically, in the country that they really have not example, not example of a person that have done, done it, have succeeded in it, even people that has more opportunity and started earlier when you see a documentary on their life or watch them on the news, they go back and, you know, want to tell their story, this guy is in the house with dust everywhere, he couldn't even

have a cement floor and stuff like that. And it was tough. But to be honest, to this day, I don't blame those people not to believe me because the reality around was soft enough to believe in something like that. But I was so driven by my dream. The power of my dream was so big. And I could feel that only on my own. I could share with people what I'm feeling. And I was so confident about it. And people was looking at me like, this kid is losing his mind.

like it's out of the real war, like come down on earth, bro. Right. You know, like, yeah. So what was that? I read you were a loner as a kid? Yeah, I mean, I wasn't really a loner by choice, by decision. It just happened like that, you know. People don't want you playing with their kids because you're a bad influence.

You dream too big. No, like when my parents get divorced, I was six years old. Okay. So we started to live in different family. Like we're going to go to this family member that will help take us for like maybe six months. And within these six months, maybe we will go to school and you will start a new school and you don't have a friend. Not only you don't have a friend, you're a new guy, you need time to have friends. But one thing that wasn't playing on my advantage was the fact that

to get to the, even at the school, you know, when you come in a new school and then you're the cool guy, it's easy to have friends. Everybody wants to be your friend. But you're the kids that come with your shoes that is, I don't know, like, no right. And then they're going to kick you out of school,

of the classroom someday because you didn't just have a pen to take note or you didn't have a notebook or stuff like that. or you didn't pay your scholar fee. So you had to pay to go to school? Oh, yeah, we pay to go to school. Oh, we pay to go to school. For regular public school, you had to pay.

Yeah. It's cheaper, but we pay. We have to pay. And so you are a new kid, and then you're the one that is always being embarrassed. So everyone wants to step back, Nobody is very interested to be your friend. You want to be a friend, you want to feed in, you know.

You're just a kid, you know, you want to belong. But you don't belong. It's hard to find. You know, you never bring food at school to share with somebody. So nobody want to share with you because usually when kids share with you is in the expectation that tomorrow maybe you share with them as well, but you never bring anything. Nobody want to share with you. Nobody want to even hang out around.

So then he was like that continuously. And then I kept trying. But one thing that I was doing, I created a virtual war in my mind, you know, because the life was so tough. A lot of things was missing in my life that the only way that I could have get those things right as I wanted was in my mind. And I created it. And I was living a life in my mind.

I was living two life, actually. Like one on earth for real and one just in my head. And it was a real life that I have a family and everything and we go to school, everything is good, we come back home, there's food, we eat and go do our homework, everything, like just perfect as I went with my parents, always at home, my siblings, which by the time I didn't even know where my other sibling were.

One was here, the other one was there, the other one was there, two was there. We were all spread around. So the only way to reunite us was in my mind. And you say your parents got divorced when you were six. Did you understand? Did your parents sit you down and say, you know. No, no, no.

They don't do that. We don't have that aspect in Africa. They don't have that meant emotion aspect in Africa. You have to understand like, I'm talking of a, like growing up, for example, as a kid, maybe never get hurt. Even when you're home with your dad, you never get hurt with your dad.

So this is the level of emotion. The emotional attachment is not. The emotional attachment is not that. We don't take that emotional component. Like, I was, after one year with my parents being divorced, I was with my hands and I saw because when they divorced I stayed with these ends like two years and half, almost three years before started to go display six months, one year. But that was the longest that I stayed somewhere else from maybe six to, I don't know, six to 15 or 16. So I was there like was just seven years old and one day I asked my aunt, which is the biggest sister of my mom, I asked her like, why my dad and my mom couldn't live like your husband and you.

That wasn't a good question to ask because she didn't understand how a seven years old kid can understand something like that. can think like that. So for them, I was just a spirit living in the kid body. So they always believed, she always believed, she passed away like five years ago, but even though she believed that I wasn't just me,

like a spirit was living in me. She didn't understand that I was just missing my family so much that I was able to know this stuff like that because all the time I'm looking at this, I'm like, where is my own parents? I'm seeing them with their kid. I'm like, where is my own parent?

Why my own parents? You wanted what they had? I wanted what they had. So from the moment that I'm missing those stuff, I notice it. Right. You said you worked in the sand mines for over 10 years, so until you were 22, and you saw people die in the sand mines. And you said, as you mentioned earlier,

you saw someone you believed to be 55, 6 years of age, and you were just a child, and you said, I don't want that to be me. That's not going to be me. I see better. And you mentioned that you had two, you lived two lives. You had the life that you had in Cameroon and you had the life that you had in your mind.

Yeah. That you envisioned that there was something better for Francis Ngano away from Cameroon. At that moment, I wasn't thinking a way of Cameroon. I was just thinking of the future. I don't know where that future would have been. And so I think until really, like when I started boxing at 22, I realized that even with boxing,

I'm not going anywhere in Cameroon. I'm not going to do anything. Even if I'm the best, it's not going to be helpful. So that's when you, so at 22 is when you first got into the combat, the boxing game. And you're like, obviously you're beating up

all the people in Cameroon. He's like, okay, what was the next step? What was your thought process? Okay, I'm winning in Cameroon, but I'm never going to be what I believe I can be, just being in Cameroon? Well, even in Cameroon, I didn't do boxing so much because after one year, I got sick.

Epititis B. And it wasn't great. And I was boxing and was working at the same time because I was already on my own. So now I have to take care of myself, do this regime for like six months and stuff. So I stopped boxing. And that was the moment that another glass of coal.

water was thrown on in on my face like look at the reality and the reality was that this and I'm going anywhere with this out here I better get out of this country and go somewhere with more opportunity your story here's where the story gets really I mean you had the childhood is that when you in the third world country and you're living and then you said we're lower than working class but here's where it gets very interesting and people follow me with this. At 26, you left Cameroon. You go to Nigeria, Nigeria, Morocco, the Sahara Desert, the Mediterranean Sea, and Spain, just to make it pass, France. Now, I'm not Magellan. I'm not this great, you know, navigator or anything, but it seemed like you were just traveling in circles

before you got to your ultimate destination. So Nigeria, Niger, Algeria, Morocco, Sahara Desert, Mediterranean, it took you over a year. Yeah, it took me 14. It took me 14 months again. all the way to France because all this was illegal immigration right a lot of people that are looking for a better opportunity for job for stuff like that that lived I mean I left on my own but on on the way we met you met with people coming from different places and by the time you get in Morocco there is like all the nationality of of South of South South, South, Sub-Saharan, African,

that are up there. They have different community and all with the same goal to get in Europe. I mean, watching that is scary. You know, I'm like, okay, so all these people are looking to go. It's been like this amount every time. Where am I going exactly? You know, you're free.

But you were undeterred because you mentioned you were on the raft sometimes. You got turned back. And you just like, I'm not, I'm not going back. I was the journey of a lot of people out there. In fact, I was out there just for one year. I can say, yes, I was very determined. I was going again and again and again. I didn't settle because some people at some point, they get tired,

they get exhausted, they get burned out, and they just go back. in the city and sit and just start to find a job as a builder or help somebody like work, you know, and they are all in, they are not in a good situation, so they can even afford a good job. So, yeah, I was just doing the same, it was the same process as a lot of people. Some people had a better chance, have better chance. They would do it, make it from the first attempt, some people, second attempt, some people, second attempt, some people will try two, three times and don't make it and just give up, you know, or quit.

How many times did it take you before you became successful and got crossed over? So in the ocean, he was, I first six times and he was the seven times. I went to the gate like three times. He didn't work. The first time, I get really, really caught by the barbed wire. Okay. Really bad. You got stuck. You got... Yeah, I still get some deep scar on me that reminds me. But I always prefer water because I was more comfortable in water and stuff. But I finally succeeded the seventh time.

And it was like one year exactly from the day that I left Cameroon. Basically like one year anniversary from when I left Cameroon. So I remember when we get rescued, we get rescued. by the Red Cross in the ocean. He was around like maybe 8 to 9 a.m. in the morning and April 3rd, 2013. That's my daughter's birthday. Really?

2013? No, April 3rd. April 3rd, yeah. And I was there and these people, the other people, because it was nine of us in this raft, this little swimming pool raft. And then they were celebrating. and I was just there thinking

then a ray just hit me some people was calling their family but I've been there so long that I have nothing even not a phone no money nothing even the reason why I was in that raft was because I have so much experience by feeling that I was a captain

I don't know how to swim I don't know how to swim but I know how to paddle you said you like water more so than up But you can't swim. No. I can swim.

Hold on. You in the Mediterranean Sea and you can't swim a lit? No. Oh, by goodness. So you think if you can swim, you can swim from the Mediterranean? No, but I mean, I'm like you. Okay. So that doesn't matter.

No, I ain't going to go straight down like a rock. I mean, I can stay up. I can stay afloat for a while. And then what would be the end of it? You can get back to the ralph. If you fall out to the ralph, if you're friends. No, then I will get. If there's a possibility to get off to the raft, we have life jacket at least.

Oh, so y'all had, where did y'all get the life jacket from? Oh, no, no, the first rule is to have live jacket. Okay. You are going to the in the ocean. Yes. Hey, with this raft, he needs a little nail like this to blow that shit like and it's over. Doesn't matter if you know how to swim, if you're made of the ocean, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter at all. So the minimum, the bare minimum is a live jacket.

And sometimes we don't have a life jacket. You know this thing that, I don't know how they call it, we call it in French Versi, that they put inside the tire. Yeah, in a tube. In a tube. Then we take it, we blew it, and then we cut the other one, we tie it, we put on our waist like this, we get it wrapped on our, stuff like this.

That one is even better than it. Better than life, Jake. I'm cheaper. You said you didn't tell anybody that you were leaving. Why? Because if I say, I'm leaving, what would be your first question? Where you going, why? Exactly.

Where are you going? And if I say, I don't know, what would you think of me? Well, since you don't know where you're going, well, you might as well stay here. I'm going to try to talk you out of me. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you might just, oh, you might just think that I'm crazy. Yeah. Basically that since I've been having this crazy dream that nobody understand, then now I wake up someday and say, oh, I'm going.

Where are you going? I don't know. Come on, man. What the hell is that? Right. And also, he was so stressful. I mean, you don't know. You're walking into the unknown territory.

You don't know if you will ever come back or not. You don't know how it's out there. You don't know if you will make it. survive. You don't know if you come back in life or if you even your body will ever come back, or if you come back, you will come back in five years or in 10 years. You don't know. I mean, like, how are you going to tell that to people? You didn't think your family would be worried that you just took off in the incident. Like, where is Francis? Francis? Where's Francis? Yeah, but if they're worried, when I'm gone, that means I'm gone already.

That's the fuck. I'm going to ready. So that's another thing. So when you get ready to, so what do you guys do for food? Okay, you're going, you're going to be in this raft and you're going to be in there for an extended period of time. How much food did you get? No, in the raft, you don't have food.

I mean, and it's not like. What you're all eating? No, it's not like you don't spend days on the raft, right? It's hours. Couple hours? Aye. In that situation. you can do 24, make 24 hours without eating.

You ain't, you ain't get no fruit, you ain't grab no bananas, you ain't grab nothing. No, you're done. I mean, it's a very, you're hiding from the police and sometimes you can get stuck somewhere for five hours, just stay in one spot because there is a police car there, because there is a police somewhere around

or somebody that can potentially allow alert the police or something, and then you would just hide like that. All night long, we are doing this all night long. We start our journey as soon as the nightfall, and then waiting in the morning, like maybe five, five to six, it depends. The moment that they call prayer, because there's this prayer every morning that they call, and is a sign. We are expecting the people that are watching, overnight watching, to go, pray at that moment. So it's the opportunity for us to put the wreath in the water. All night long,

we will be watching the wave because your raft is this big. And then sometimes the wave is coming all the way high here and you look at your, the wave you look at your raft. You're like, there's no way. And sometimes you try, you force, you force to go to the, uh, to those waves. and then he would take you and smash you back and you better be on somewhere that they sand, no rock, because if you go in between of rocks to put the raft, even if you find a spot to put a raft, sometime when a wave is very big,

they will grab you and slam you on those rocks. Right. So what about water? Did you take water? No. So basically, for 24 hours, I mean, maybe 24, maybe 40 enough? I mean, sometimes some people, yeah,

sometimes you can have something in your pocket. You get prepared, but you're not going to carry food. If you have something like a cereal bar or a bread, you know, is a carb, so it's born very low. If you have it, good. But you also have to know that sometimes people go to those places without even having what to eat. They don't have nothing left, you know.

but their only drive is to get to a better life. Right. So what was it like, because not only you like, you had to go through the forest sometimes, you had to go by land. I know you said you chose you like water better than land. So the conditions, and you mentioned like it was so many. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

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available on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Different sub-Saharan that was making this trek. You know, on estimate, how many people you think it were on a given time making that trek? 1,000, 10,000, 5,000, 20,000? No, not that much, but a couple thousand. Couple of thousand.

At least, yeah. The condition, when you're trying to get, because when you're trying to get, you guys are going to live in the forest. Right. And then even like in the winter, in the winter, the water condition is very bad,

very aggressive, it's very cold. The water is not stable at all, So you can't even try, you know, it's like... So there's a time, like, okay, we're going to go, say, like, the spring or the summer. Yeah. The water's calmer. The water's warmer. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And you have, you know, the weather is nicer. You don't want to be on the water when it's cold. Yeah. There's a moment that they call it out. Nobody is going on the water because it's a... It's too dangerous. Yeah. Too, too dangerous.

So on all those what did, so what did you do to stay in shape? because like you're a fighter, you say you always wanted to be a fighter. That was going to be your thing. So did you, like, if you were in the forest, did you do push-ups? Did you do sit-ups? I mean, what did you- Push-up that I can do now? Like, I was doing, I get to the point that I was doing, like, 300 push-up in day,

like five sections of 60 push-ups, like normal. And then with some apps, some stuff like that. But just because we have nothing to do. And then we get into Spain after that, Afterward, they put out in jail for two months. Nothing. You can do anything there. Just maybe push up, work some bench,

whatever you can do. So you spent two years in Paris? So how long were you in? Almost four years in Paris. In jail? No, no, two months. Two months. Two months.

In Spain. In Spain. Then you got to Paris. Yeah. Then I left. When they were. free house. We went to those associations after a couple of weeks. We left. And actually, I was going to Germany. I wasn't. Yeah, yeah, you wanted to go to Germany. Why would you want to go to Germany?

What's in Germany? There was a Klishko brother, and the heavyweight boxing at that time was moving up there. In France, there wasn't really like a boxing staff that was driving me there. And I was chasing boxing because at first, if I would have to choose, I would have come straight to, I Right. There's not a path like that to come to America. Then I want to go to the UK. But problem now, the UK is not in the Schengen zone. So even when we get there, you're trying and get into Europe and when they free you, you

need to do another similar stuff and go north in France and try and wait for months and I don't know, maybe more to try and to go to the UK. I was like, oh man, I'm tired. I'm going to Germany. Right. I mean, I don't speak any German, but sport doesn't need language. I will learn over time, but by the time, I will be boxing. How did you meet people?

How did you make friends? Because, you know, you said you weren't alone by choice, is that, you know, when your parents separated and, you know, you had to go with this aunt and you went with this relative to. And so when you go to different schools, kids were a little apprehensive. So how did you meet people? How did you make friends? Well, I wasn't going to make friends. I mean, I think over, I get to the point, when I was a kid, I get to the point

that I understand my reality. And then I stopped trying to make friends. I just, and I think that was even the best thing that happened to me, you know, like I just accept my situation and just take it out as he was and just be my own friend. And he worked out perfectly.

I would never be independent on anybody. You don't have a whole lot of friends now, do you? No, no, I don't. Even now, because the problem is that when I get later on in life, I get in a good position, a better situation, but I was so used to be alone. And then that's the moment that people, some people, people would think,

I mean, you're a good profile to be friends. You know, you're a cool guy now, but you're so used to be alone. Right. that you that contact with people being around all the time right you can do it you know like if I go somewhere if I go into a party or somewhere that there's so many people like at some point I need to step out to go somewhere that I'm alone otherwise because it drain my energy you're an introvert yeah it gets me exhausted so I need to go out somewhere that I'm by myself then I refuel my energy

But if I can deal with like constant company. You find a boxing gym, how did you know that the people there were legit? How did you know like, okay, this is it? I didn't know that he was legit. I just have to, I just had to try. And I know that I had to start somewhere. Right. He wasn't about being legit.

Boxing, at the end of the day, boxing gym would not make you a boxing gym. The only thing you can find the best boxing gym, but you are not just a boxer and you will never become a boxer, right? It's up to you and if you are really a boxer, maybe you start in some gym which is not that great or that doesn't have that level. Later on you will understand and you will find yourself in a good position. So like, I get in Paris, he was June 9th, June 9th and then it was Sunday and the next day was Monday I just started to walk

around and ask for a gym until I found this gym and it was around 4 p.m. and they were training and I asked to see the coach the coach wasn't there there was a guy that was giving the class that day named DJ Carmel so I asked if I can meet him They say yes, until the end of the class. So after the end of the class, I met him, and I explained the situation. I said, I just came from Africa, I'm asleep. I don't even have where to sleep, but it's okay.

I'm not asking for, I just want a place to train because I want to be, I'm going to be a world champion. You know, it's a little cocky when you meet people at the gym and none of them is even like French champion and you just threw it at their face like, you're going to be a war champion. Right. You know, like, you think we were hanging out here just for fun?

But that's how he came out. But he was a really good guy, and then he helped me like. How long did you stay in Germany? I didn't go to Germany. That was in France. Yeah. So you didn't go to Germany?

So I was just, I just stopped in France. France. Because I was, I met with a group of people. there were all going to France. So I'm like, okay, let's stop in France and see. Then I stop in France, but next day I was just going. I didn't just stop to like, okay, let's enjoy France. I was just going.

Then I find something that I keep. And you kept finding something? Yeah, keep digging, keep digging. So basically you left France and came to the US. Yeah. What was it like getting on that plane coming to the US? Oh, because getting in France, yes, he was good. was another, but that was just the end, the beginning of another chapter.

Then you have to figure out your way in France. You are in France. You have no situation, no regulation, situation in France. Big black guy with your African accent. Good luck with that. But the women probably liked you. Big black guy in France with an accent. See, not only you have you.

So this is the thing. They're so, usually, I mean, when they know you're in that situation, everybody know that you need one thing, paper, how to get your situation regulated. And marriage is one of those situations. So a lot of women. They try to marry you. They try to marry you. They don't want none of that.

Because for them, they just see. It's like a rich man thinking a woman is just coming after their money. So for them, you're just coming after the, so they don't even want to think about it. It's not even thinkable. Right. Right. Obviously, there are some few exceptions, but overall, it's not even thinkable. Because even when you talk to a man and a man, that men understand that you don't have a paper,

bro he treats you like you are a inferior creature like you're below him just because of the paper and I kind of like man it's not like something that you earn you didn't do anything to deserve that you know I mean yes maybe you get some job you work hard you you build a house and somebody doesn't have a house you just happen to be born in France you just have to be born in France and that's all you didn't do anything so don't look at but it's a G is a it's a the most people will act like this. So you walk around and trying to sneak and you don't even tell people.

Right. Right. But you have this battle because without it, you're not in any system. Right. So when you came to the U.S., where did you go to?

When you came to the U.S., where did you go first? Orlando. I was going to Orlando. It was my first UFC fight. Okay. So that's when I was coming into U.S. And then as my dream was always to come to the U.S.

I remember I landed and then there was this guy at the baggage claim with the tablet with my name on it, UFC on top, like Francis and Gano and then I saw my name, we walked through him, take my back and then go to the car, drive. And at that moment I'm just thinking of that my first time in the US and I'm comparing it in my first time in France I'm like this is so different I'm looking like okay and here was what not even four years ago four years ago four years ago no two two years two years a couple months yeah because this was December 2015 right I get in friend in June 2013 right so this was two years and maybe five or six five months yeah two years and a half right after then I'm looking at me getting in France in the subway that I jumped and didn't even pay a ticket

I jumped on subway and sneak and was watching police this that's how I'm getting in friends right and then ended up in the in the parking lot that I found the boxes and put on the floor slip on it like And then I'm here landing in the US and there's somebody there. I mean, I'm coming from a plane, right? And somebody is waiting for me. I walk there and then get in the car, drove me into the hotel. And I was, I'm just laying back and watching for everything.

Like, okay, it's just going to my mind. I'm just processing stuff. Right? And then we get to this hotel, hired a hotel, hired residency, a massive hotel. I never saw a hotel like that. Then I just lay back to go there, check in and brought my key, gave me my key, room number. We went up, put my key, get in my room, I locked the door, and make sure the door is very locked. I looked my phone, I called in Cameroon, and I said,

say, hey, I have made it. I have made it. Because my whole dream was to be in America. Right. That was like my biggest dream since I was kid. Like I remember like even when since I was eight or seven, I've been making having nickname calling myself American boy and all this stuff. Like and they will call me like San Francisco and I will force people to

tell people like my name is San Francisco. Like to this day my signature is S F. And people, sometimes people is like, there's no S on your name. I'm like, it's my signature. You don't know my name. So I'm in the US and I get in the US in the best way. No, as I get in Europe.

So like I made it, right? Right. I'm here. And I remember also, 2000, 2008, we were in Camero. in Cameroon when Obama won the election. The, yeah, and then he was, the resort was, came out like he was maybe 5 a.m. in Cameroon.

Nobody didn't sleep. We were waiting. The first black, he was something very important. The first black president. Everybody felt related into that like, and then he won. And then I was there. We were celebrating, but in my mind something was racing, something else was racing.

And I tell my uncle, I'm like, okay, a presidency mandate is like four years in the U.S. So I'm renew one time, so eight years. At the end of this, I're going to be in the U.S. are going to be. And so that, I made it in 2015, and he was still president. I made it. I don't know what the hell you're talking about. You made it.

So you made it? I made it. So let me ask you question. So when you got you got to the US, you have the fight in Orlando, you get a check. Would you do it to money? You go buy anything special? No My dream is so big that obviously is the money that I never had But I'm looking for something else. I'm I'm dreaming big I don't have time for that. Okay, that's cool then what next? Right, what what am I having right?

Right He was all about like how the June, the process. Yeah. I didn't buy anything. I was supposed to, I wanted to go in Cameroon for vacation. And that would have been my first time since I left. Then at the same time, I want to fight right back. And then they gave me a fight.

Yeah. No, I wanted to go. But, you know, I was sitting there hoping to fight maybe in February. So I didn't go to Cameroon. I'm like, let's wait. Then they gave me after, maybe I think it was January or early. Yeah, sometime in January or early February, they gave me this fight, my second fight. I was going to fight Curtis Blade in Zagreb, Croatia.

So after that, I went back in Cameroon, and he was four years since I left. Well, listening at you, you always, even when you're going to, even, the situation with the UFC, you thought about other fighters. PL League, you think about other fighters. You go back home and just thinking about your family and your community. How do I put them in a better situation? Where did you develop that from? We grew up in a very tough situation.

My family and I, our life gets us very close. We are very bound, like very, very close. Like, you know, I used to get sick. Sick in the way that I couldn't, like, go to the bathroom, go out there pee on my own. I need support, you know. And even, like, when we are working in the sand mine, like when I'm sick, they will use our money,

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you need them. And there, for some reason, they are always there. Then you lay there and then you feel powerless and then it's hard. But you see them around, you know, gather to like do everything to support to help you in that position. That you are the most vulnerable. those have, like, relationship. I think that's like one of the second thing that I feel very, maybe the first thing

that I feel very grateful about. Because regardless, I saw a lot of family around that they were actually doing good, that growing up, maybe we would expect them to give them their clothes that they don't wear anymore or the shoes that they don't want anymore. But I saw how he ended, how their family ended up. I'm like, in fact, I think our family is by far, was by far the best, right?

Because we get into the position that we just stick to each other. I mean, like, he's comforting to think that if your brother make it, he's going to think about you. Right. And then you're counting on him. You're counting on each other. So the day that you make it, you also have this, this. knew and we were so family focused you know like and I always miss this my family reunion that my first goal was to make this happen you know until like I started to make the family

reunion my our dad wasn't at the table but I was able to gather everyone and put in one table maybe for Christmas for something or maybe just for the party that I came back home and decide that we're going to throw this party. And the good thing about it is like when you feel like you have that power, okay, somebody doesn't, it's not missing because he's out there working. How much you make it in it? Well, I get you, bro. Come. When I say come, everybody comes. Right. You open the gym and can. How difficult was it? Is it difficult for you to say no? Because you strike me as a very generous person. No, I say no a lot.

In fact, even, no, listen, you have to understand, I'm coming from a country that a lot of people are in the very bad condition. Bad condition. If you take the problem, it's going to drown you. You can't handle. You can't save everyone. You can save.

You have to save yourself first and to get out of the water before trying to take somebody out. of the war otherwise both of you you would drown so even when I want to help somebody sometime you will come and explain this problem I'm like bro figure it out that's your shit I will go think of a problem think of like what could be the solution but I don't want a grown man to just sit out there lay back and wait on me way for you to because I'm out here working my eyes off too I'm not out here sitting and things are

just coming to me so I'll let you know you count on yourself because Because when you count on yourself, you never get disappointed. Right. If somebody helps you, that would be a great surprise. But when you count on people, you always have a bad surprise. Right. You rather have a chance for disappointment. A great surprise than a bad surprise.

How is it going back home now? Both. It's good and bad. You probably have to have a police escort when you go back. Oh, no, just go out. Just stay home like a prisoner, like you. Really? you're running away from somebody, knowing that you owe nobody nothing,

or you're not running away from anything, but you still have to stay home because that's the easiest way. You want a good place, you just think about, like, oh, people are there, people are going to meet me, going to see me. And I'm like, I'd rather just stay here, man, leave me alone. But it's great overall. That's mean you're doing it. At what age did you learn English?

When I started to come, when I started to come in the U.S. So prior to coming to the U.S., you didn't speak English? No, even in Cameroon, we were speaking a little bit of a pigeon, but no, not too much. I wasn't even speaking too much, but I always love English. And I understand that. At that time, I understood that I needed English. For me, learning English was an investment that I was going to be. And that was like one of the biggest decisions when I move in the US because when I move in the US, this was early 2017.

Bro, it was so hard. Like, even the world that I know, maybe because I learned at school, like water, people will say water, but we say water, water, or something like that. And when I say water, nobody understands anything. And when they say water, I'm like, what the hell is talking about? And the accent and the speech that they are talking sometimes, people are talking. Sometimes people are talking, I think like, this guy is singing or he's talking. Like, what's the difference?

How to figure it out? So the easiest thing was just to go back, maybe in France or somewhere. But I'm like, remember why I came here, I need this English, I need this English for the future. This is a good asset. You speak French? Yeah.

Spanish? No. No Spanish? No. Even though? I was in Spanish for like, what, two months and a half? Yeah. And in two months, I was just in chair between us.

So we were all speaking French. So we wasn't in Spain. Right. The only time, the only thing that we know in Spanish was patcho, time to go out. Right. La Lucha, when they are turning the lights on, off, a night for us to go to sleep, stuff like that. What was the hardest language for you to learn? Well, um,

I don't know. I mean, French is not something, I don't know when I learned French. You know, I just grew up like into it and my dialect back here. I just grew up, grew up into it. So I didn't actually really learn, you know, even though I didn't, I wasn't speaking too much early in my life. I was speaking the dialect. But the language that I really like, okay, I'm learning language was English. Yeah.

But I'm looking at you, and I mean, big old six foot five brother with access, speaking French, speaking English. The women, they come in. Well, how many women can you have? I don't know in Africa, I guess you can have as many as you can pay off board. Yeah, but you have to commit into that. That's another energy to give someone else. So, we were talking earlier, dating, marriage, what you want to accomplish, what you're trying to accomplish. Is that in the future?

I don't know. Right now, I don't think about it. Like, I remember when I left Cameroon, I wanted maybe to get married. I don't know, but what I wanted the most was to have kids because I wasn't knowing where I was going to. so I wanted to leave a legacy behind me. Somebody that they will remember me through, like, oh, at least one. That's a friend or something, right?

Right. So that's something that I really want so hard. And I think that's the only moment that I was thinking about marriage. It was just to have a baby, right? Then after that, I get into this life that my condition is very bad. So you don't think about women. You think about how to get out of the situation. get out of this situation and get better and then this thing just keep rolling and even when it's changing and getting better you're in the same in the same pool rolling in the same way and until you wake up something like it's been 10 years it's been 80 years damn but you don't fear any like it's something that you want so I don't know give me even though like in Africa they've been pushing me even though in Africa they've been pushing me even

even before I left Cameroon to get married. Yeah, you'd be a king. Yeah. No, I say even before I left. Right, to get married. Now, yeah, even before I left Cameroon for the first time. Yeah. My grandpa wanted me to get married.

I was 20 years old. Oh, they wanted us to get married. And then not to get only married for one, one girl, multiple. Grandpa, I like grandpa. I made me the grandpa. Now, out there is normal. Yeah. Yeah.

Although for some reason, at this age, people don't even want to get married. Right. Before, he was like kind of like a culture. People have to marry. So marriage is not as big now in Cameroon as it was when you were a kid. Yeah, because people now is so more into this Western style. Like, oh, yes, and this. And women started thinking differently.

Even men, they don't want this responsibility. Because before, you know, polygamy in Africa, at first, most marriage in Africa for men was a responsibility. It wasn't to have fun, you know, even like to get married, even to have multiple wives. Most of the time, in the many situations, it wasn't like, oh, I like those women so much. It was a situation that you have to first, for example,

like when a guy in a, you know, community was successful, he needs to get married from wife in a different neighborhood around the community so to give people much and many chance. Because if you get married here, other community would be like, oh, he doesn't care about us. He should have married a kid of us. And they would want you to marry a girl from that community. So then you find out people that are getting married just for opportunity to give opportunity for. community. Why? Because unlike here, when you have a daughter there, all your life is a worry. You don't know how she's going to end up. You don't know. You're worried if ever she's going to

have a roof or to have somebody to take care. And then there's this guy that's going to take care of her. You don't care if she's the fifth or the 10th wife. Take it, bro. And that's how some people were getting a lot of wife just to like, you know, give chance to community. And also one thing that was very important is your brother or your family member passed away and left a wife with children. You had to take... One of you guys have to take that wife. Like, whether you like it or not, somebody have to take it. But you're not going to sleep with the wife, though.

No, you'll sleep with it. No, no. Yeah, I just take it to say, yeah, I'm just taking it. Okay, I'm going to take care of you and make everything. Yeah, but you can take a wife and just not sleep away. Yeah, you can. You can't get both. You're going to take.

Why? And the reason why they were doing that, the family was doing that, because they didn't want a wife to live with their kids and get out there, get married with somebody that will mistreat those kids. Right. Because with the situation being very complicated, I mean, this guy is going to work hard and then maybe get home barely have food for two, three people. And then if he has a kid,

It's for the tree. The other guy, kid, it's not my kids, right? So the family didn't want that to happen. So they wanted to keep the wife and the kids into the family. So somebody has to step up and take that as a responsibility. Wow. I'm glad that it's worse.

I'm glad that it's worth it. I'm glad that it in America. Yeah. So polygamy most of the time wasn't by choice. Right. Yeah, it was by responsibility. Give me your four. Mount Rushmore M.MA fighters.

You know what Mount Rushmore is, right? Mm-hmm. Okay. John John. Okay. I will put Camaro Osama. Okay. And Adisania.

Okay. Definitely. Let's pick one person that I'm going to put. Maybe Ken Velasquez. Okay. I kind of thought you might go Anderson Silver. Maybe Royce Gracie. Yeah, I mean, I would, yeah, no, Anderson Silver and George St. Pierre.

Yeah, I was going to say St. Pierre. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, George St. Pierre. I mean, Joseph St. Pierre didn't come to my mind, but I'll put him first. Yeah. What about boxer? Who you might rush for, Mount Rushmore Boxers? Mike Tyson.

Mike. Mike Tyson. Did you always like boxing? Yeah, growing up. I mean, I couldn't watch boxing, but we never had TV. Right. But, yeah, I always like boxing. How did you learn about American fighters or fighters when you didn't have?

I didn't know much about American fighters. I know much about, I know more about actors than I know about fighters. Oh, you. But Mike Tyson, was the one that was going, you know, like he was globally famous. So everybody, everywhere, no Mike Tyson. Basically, after their fight, after his fight against Holy Feet, that was like this, the most famous fight. Was your journey and everything that you had to endure from the time you were a child

and going from Nigeria to Niger to Algeria to Morocco to Morocco to the Mediterranean, sub-Sahara, was that the main reason that you're unafraid to take on any challenge? You didn't fight professional box, and now you say, you know what, I think I can beat Tyson Fury. You know what? I was the king in the UFC. I was the baddest man in the playing. I'm the heavyweight champion of UFC. You know what?

I'm going to go conquer another sport. Was that upbringing is what gave you the confidence? Definitely. But I think it's also a mindset that without our upbringing we should have. In my case, I need to go there to have that. I need to have that upbringing, to have that mindset. But at the end of the day, it's something that some people have, which is the right way.

I mean, we are all in the, we are all competitive. We are all here. Everybody here want to accomplish something. The guy behind the camera want to make the best piece of content. The guy behind the sound engineer want to make the best sound. Everybody wants to do something. So you do your best, you do whatever it takes. And almost every time you have to try multiple times to make it.

You're going to fail, you're going to try and get wrong and get back. and get back, go back, figure it out again, try again. It's just the same concept for everyone. You know, nobody just wake up and make it like this. Usually, like, when you see people that things have been very easy for them, it's cool, but when those people fall, they never, most of the time, they never come back because they don't know this hardship. They wasn't, like, trained, prepared for the reality.

Do you feel you can accomplish anything? Everything that I want, yes, I believe that. I might not, but I do believe that. Because otherwise I will not go if I believe in something, I'm going to make it. I'm not just going to like, okay, let's just go. You know, I'm going to give my all. And at the end of the day, the most important thing for me is not to conquer stuff, is not to succeed, is to give my all, whatever I can possibly do.

know, if the result is not what I wanted, but I will check with myself. I'm like, is it, did you give your all? Do you do everything that you should have done? And if the answer is yes, well, it happens. It's just life. I move on. You know, it's an experience. As I'm looking at you, you don't have weight room muscles.

You have child, you have labor muscles. You develop this body from a child in the sand minds, walking, doing, other things. Is that why you feel your power comes from? No, it's genuine. In my family, is. Oh, your family built like this, huh? No, they are not all built like this. I mean, like, I think I'm just built, I'm just a little different physically because even my brother, even people from my community. Community, I mean, they are strong people, but they are not as big as me.

I'm the biggest in my family. I'm the potential. essentially strong, but my family is so strong. Right. They are so very strong. And we, we, this reputation of, we have a reputation of a strong family. Right. Even before I was born, my, my dad, my uncles, there were all. But they all worked in the same mind, right?

No. They did? No, my dad was a carpenter. It was a what? Carpenter. Carpenter. Okay. Carpenter.

So he made roof, the house. So that was his upbringing. a lot of them work, everybody basically worked in the farm. But again, even amongst all those people, my family was known for like being very strong. Even my grandpa, I mean, I know I was born, he was already, he was already old, but he's been known as like one of the guy. Yeah.

Would you want your story turned into a movie? Absolutely. That would be a movie, but I just think it's not a moment yet. It's not the moment. Because you feel you have other things to accomplish? There's a lot of things that is coming. There's a lot of chapters that are missing. You said you knew more American actors than boxers.

So if someone were to portray you in your life story, who would you like for it to be? I've been asked that question, before and so far I think the best profile that I would think of would be somebody like Idris Erba. You're going to put him on stilts. You're going to be so tall. You're so tall.

He's tough. Yeah, I can see that. He can definitely, he could, he might be the only, he might be the only one that could play you. Yeah. He might be the only one that could play you. Yeah. Drew Serber. I think you see, I think you went for the guy with the accent, everybody, you went for the handsome guy.

Like who? No, that's who you went for, Idra Selba. But the only, I mean, the guy with the accent, what would that? I'm too. I'm too. I'm too. I'm too. I don't think, I don't think.

I don't think. The only guy and he's deceased, but he's not big enough would be Chagwick Bowesman. Hmm. Because of his, because he, because he, because that Black Panther accent, he had, I mean, he could. He's an acting accent accent. Yeah, but I'm saying it's not like, I mean, he's going to have to act, he's going to have to do that accent, he's going to have to hang around you and pick up your dialect. That's what they do when they take on the role. I mean, I got to be around you and pick up your mannerisms and pick up your, the way you talk, how you would say it or it's not going to be authentic.

Yeah. It's kind of like when you're boxing, you had to be around a box, you had to get somebody to actually know the, okay, the combination, the shots and, you know, how you cut the ring off and how you retreat and make sure you don't go. straight back and you move to the side? I think acting is a little different. You want to do it? You want to try acting? Maybe. I think when I'm retired, it takes a lot of time, though.

Oh, it does? It does. Everything takes a lot of time. It takes a lot of time. I've seen people like, they go for a movie for like four months. And at this point of time... You don't have that kind of time?

I don't have that kind of time. Well, the four months is you're getting ready to begin to work. It's my main job. Yeah. This is my main job for now. Millions of people are going to watch this. What was something you would like the kids that watch this to take from your story? Oh no.

I, I think... Dream, hope, never give up? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there was generous speech of motivation, like determination, self-believing, right? Sometimes I think about like my kids, like, okay, I'll have kids that will grow up. And then I just think of their life, how they will grow up. And I just find out that it's sad.

I mean, I did all this for like, give my family a better situation, right? But I think that it's going to be sad that my kid will never understand my story. Right. You know, because there will just be in a situation that their problem would be none of like what you had to go through. What you had to go through. Like, okay, what should we eat today? Like, stuff like that. Like, could we have soap or could I have pen to go to school on Monday?

Stuff like that. They will never understand. But at the end of the day, it is what it is. Some people still do very good. But, yeah, I think, like, I think self-believing is like, like, The key. You know, we would talk about, like, faith, hope and everything, but a man that believe in him, I think he's a man that is half succeed. I wanted to ask you this, and I forgot to. Your favorite food as a child growing up, and do you still eat that food now? Growing up, I think every food was my favorite because we didn't have.

I don't recall a day that I see a foreign Arab, I don't like this. Every meal was the favorite one. So is there a place in Vegas that you can go get some of your Cameroonian dishes? No, no. Do you have to wait until you get back home? No, really? Mostly in the East Coast. Okay, yeah, like New York.

Yeah, Washington, Baltimore. There's a lot of African community. So what's... Even in Texas, you will find those. What's a typical Cameroon dish? Oh, there is a lot, man. You will find, like, there is this, the very famous one is Indole. We call it Dola.

I know you're going to ask what is that. Yeah, yeah, I want to know it. Okay. It's kind of like a leaf, kind of like a spinach with the ground peanut, you know, then put all the spice in it. How to the same? What a meat? Ain't no meat in it? They put meat in it.

What kind of meat? You can put whatever you want. I mean, so in Cameron, what do you get? Like goat, chicken? I mean, what did you put it? Everything. I mean, usually they don't put chicken in dully. They'll put more like beef,

uh, uh, smoke, smoke fish. Okay. I mean, no smoke, dry fish. Dry fish. And then even like a dry, uh, we have this little, uh, a shrimp that are so little and they are dry. It's very favorite. So if I, so next time I come across a Cameroon.

And our best breakfast is Benyarico. What's that? It's like peanut. It's like donut. It's like donut, our version of donut with beans, fry beans and with pap. I know you don't know. I bet the Dole, I might be willing to try the other dish, but they got to have some good.

Now that you're asking me about, like, food, my favorite Cambrian food, what is America food? Because I walk around, I will see Chinese restaurant. Well, that's kind of not like a Japanese restaurant. I would see Indian restaurant, Mexican. We're more like, we do. I never see American restaurant. Barbecue. It all depends.

You understand. It's not a food. No, no, no, no. Like ribs, like ribs. chicken. No, no, no. You say ribs. Rips is not a food.

Everybody, rip is not a dish. Oh, you're talking about a dish? Okay, where, where are you? Are you in the South? If you're in the South, that we got dishes, we have like mac and cheese or we have...

Mac and cheese is not a dish. It is a dish, Francis, what you think it is. I don't know, bro. What are you talking about a dish? It's a dish. Yes. It is a dish. Chicken and waffle?

Thank you. You don't got American now. You don't got American now. You're talking about kicking the waffles. You're talking about it, like, Roscoe was a gladys night or somebody. No, but those are dishes. I mean, like, so when you say, like, Dole, that's a staple of, like, Cameroon. Because I have Camaro on, and he was saying, like, Fafala, and he was like, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, he was like, he was trying to, he was explaining to him. I had Michael Blackson on, he was trying to, like, foo. Yeah. Y'all, you, Fufu? We have Fufu. Ours is a little different. Okay. So, like, if you go in Africa,

every country has, like, its own spatial. Yeah, okay. They put their own spin on it. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. Like, when you send dollar, everybody knows that it's coming around. Okay. It's like saying sushi,

and they will attach sushi to Japan. Right. Oh, okay. So when can we expect to see Francis and Gando back in the ring, the square or the octagon? Definitely next year, when exactly next year, potentially not sure, potentially March or April, and certainly October. Francis and Donald.

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