The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Go Low - Golf is getting real, Golf Parlay, Saquon staying in Philly

Episode Date: March 5, 2025

John opens the show talking about how it's really starting to feel like golf season. This weekend we will see the majority of the top players in the world during this weekend's  Arnold Palme...r Invitation and John dives into what he thinks we'll see. John, gives you his best bets for this weekend and a paraly that could win you some money. Later, he answers your questions during this episode's mailbag segment. Later, John dives into the Eagles giving Saquon Barkley a contract extension making him the highest paid running back in the league. 3:49 - Golf is back 9:46 - This week's parlay 26:30 - Mailbag 44:08 - Saquon gets an extension Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:09 The volume. What is going on, everybody? How are we doing? John Middlekoff and a little go-low podcast with a little Sequin Barkley talk at the end. So we're going to talk a little golf in regards to. too. We got the Arnold Palmer Bay Hill this weekend. All the elevated event. All the stars there. A couple weeks we got the players.
Starting point is 00:02:46 We had Fred couples go on local radio. Say Kepka's ready to return. We had my guy Jake Knapp, who I think moved to Scottsdale within the last year. I see him sometimes at TPC. Look like he was going to win a second tournament of the year and then had a disaster. And I just want to talk disasters as a whole
Starting point is 00:03:07 because they are riveting to one. watch. We also will do a, we do it all the, every single week for this podcast. At GoLopod is the Instagram. At GoLopod, fire your DMs, any questions regarding golf to get, to get on the mailbag on this podcast. Obviously, we do a football one. It's just my normal Instagram. I like to separate it for golf. It's just easier to find them. At Golopod is the way to do it. So make sure you subscribe to the podcast on Collins, everything's up on YouTube. I did a little Seekwon reaction for YouTube,
Starting point is 00:03:44 but I put the audio here at the end of this podcast because he just got a big extension, and I wanted to talk about it. So a little golf talk, a little golf mailbag, and a little Sequin Barclay who just became an even richer man. So, uh, but other than that, I did want to start with, this does start to feel like right around the players
Starting point is 00:04:07 is when you get master's commercial. and I'm a sucker for the West Coast swing. I mean, that stretch, pebble, waist. I know RIV didn't happen this year because of the fires, and I would include Tori as well. It has a soft spot for me, even Hawaii. There's nothing like the, I mean, it used to be the tournament of champions. Now they allow like, I don't know, just random people in.
Starting point is 00:04:31 But those views in Honolulu or in Capulua, the water in the background, I've never played in my brother. brothers played it a couple times. It's just, it really kind of like, God, I want to be in Hawaii. And I would say right around now, it feels like, okay, the golf's starting to get real. And this week, the Arnold Palmer with the elevated event, you know, Zander's back. Obviously, Scotty, Rory, Ludwig, J.T. All the big dogs are there. And then in a couple weeks, we have the players, and then it feels like major seasons on. And I think sometimes with these golf tournaments, again, if you're listening to this, you're probably a pretty big fan,
Starting point is 00:05:09 Listen, we get a lot of people that play golf, that don't watch golf, that consume this content. And that was such a cheesy thing. Consume this content. I'm saying, listen to me talk about golf. But ultimately, like the last couple weeks, the Mexico Open, the cognizant, aren't really doing it for most. And I completely understand. There's a star-studded sport in the sense of you need stars to get people to pay attention. Tennis, any individual sport is that way.
Starting point is 00:05:39 You can't roll out randoms and expect people to care. And I think anytime that these guys all play together, we saw a couple weeks ago with Tori, we saw it Pebble with Rory, that the bigger names in the mix, people will watch. And you'll get three, four million people watching on a Sunday, which in this climate is really good. I mean, NBA games without LeBron James or Steph Curry are not sniffing four million people. And I think anything you can hope is when these guys are together.
Starting point is 00:06:08 and I think the hard part about golf is like in a perfect world you would start to see, you know, Rory's already won, Scotty's coming back off the injury, Ludvig's already won, Hadecki's already won, so the top guys heading into the majors with Bryson, Kepka, and kind of that crew waiting. Hopefully it's, and hopefully John Romb gets a shit together.
Starting point is 00:06:26 It's like a perfect emergence of all the stars playing well. And then all of a sudden you look at the Masters leaderboard and four of those eight names are in the mix on Saturday and Sunday. That's all you could ask for. and I think right now is when you start to see, you know, Rory's looked really good this season. Obviously, Ludwig, if he hadn't gotten sick,
Starting point is 00:06:46 might have multiple victories. You know, Scotty is going to be just fine. I think the wild card is Xander coming off the injury. We'll have to give him a little time, but if he feels good, like there's a chance this major season, you know, Bryson, how good he looked last year in the majors, it's exciting. And listen, this tournament,
Starting point is 00:07:06 I think my philosophy from a gambling standpoint, I'm going to hammer Ludwig every single week as a top 10. The moment I won, what bet did I win? Tony Fienow to like top 10, I think it to Tori, and he kind of backdored it. No, it was top five, and I turned 1,000 to 1,500. I immediately put $1,000 on Ludwig to win the players, and then I put another 500 on him to win the Masters.
Starting point is 00:07:33 But I will also hammer him. That was kind of spur of the moment. I will hammer him every single week to top 10 because right now he's played in four events and he's top 10 in two of them. And one of them, he was leading after Thursday and then he got deathly ill. And we all know people this flu season.
Starting point is 00:07:51 I mean, the flu came out of retirement a couple years ago and came back with a fucking vengeance. That thing just went away like Michael Jordan, started playing baseball and then it came back. And like, holy shit. It hit me twice. So I just played golf with my buddy Fong on Saturday. He said he was in shambles for like two weeks.
Starting point is 00:08:08 And he said the worst part is, I had to give presentations for work. And he's like, this was, I own the company, so I couldn't exactly not show up. I'm like, yeah, bro, I had it, the chills. You just feel like you couldn't move. So there's a chance. I don't know if Ludwig would have won at Tori, but I think it's fair to say that he would have had three top tens and four events. So to me, auto hammer Ludwig. drives it straight, hits his irons pure.
Starting point is 00:08:35 Now, historically at this course, they grow up the rough around the greens. You would say short game can be a little bit of a bugaboo for the guy. But I would be stunned if he's not in the mix. And I think the same could be said for Rory, for Scotty. I also like Hadeki, who's just been playing really well. So my parlay this week, and the guys I'm hammering, are Ludwig to top 10, Hadecki to top 10.
Starting point is 00:08:58 I do think Shane Lowry, one, he's been playing really good. good golf. Last year, he I think was tied for third in this event. He is a Florida guy, lived there for a long time, so he's very comfortable in the environment. Plus, this is a big year for him, right? There's a Ryder Cup year. I think he's trying to cement his status of like,
Starting point is 00:09:17 is he on the fringe to like, I'm a lock rider cup guy moving forward? Until my game falls off a cliff, like just write me in in Sharpie. And I've been hammering him for top 20s every week. He played well pretty well last week, I just think you look at, listen, the scary part about the Ryder Cup is the Euros look good.
Starting point is 00:09:40 I mean, obviously, Rory, I think his wedge game over the winner clearly puts some emphasis in that. And if his wedge game improves by, I don't know, 5, 10%, right? Because there were moments the last couple of years, I thought it was pretty horrendous for an all-time great player. And if it becomes like, I don't want to say a strength, but something that, it's not a liability. He could easily have, I would say, a Scotty ROM type. All of a sudden, Rory won three or four times and a major or two. And these are the type tournaments where I would expect him to be in the mix.
Starting point is 00:10:15 Same thing with Hadeki. So I'm going Ludwig, Lovie to top 20, and Ludwig and Hadecki to top 10. I don't hate if you go with Hadeki to top 20. But I think Ludwig moving forward is a auto top 10 hammer. if you can get him at plus 150 or plus 175 or plus 160. Like, I just like my chances on a weekly basis. Again, he is a, the flu coming around to having three top tens in four events. The other being a top five and a win.
Starting point is 00:10:51 So I just, I think you got to like your chances with the young stallion. Pretty couples who, I'm just a sucker for these old school guys going on local radio, keeping that medium alive. And Freddie just calling in, probably talking some sports, BSing about the Seattle Seahawks offseason. I saw Mike McDonald was asked if he could coach one player in league history. Who would it be? I think he said, like Lawrence Taylor, of course, he's a defensive guy.
Starting point is 00:11:21 But spirits are high in Seattle, well-run operation, good GM. And Freddie Couples is fired up. Freddie Couples, die-hard sports guy, and a loyal, loyal PJ Tour guy. And he has, for a guy that's not like playing that regularly, I know he's play some champions tour, but he has been extremely outspoken talking shit about the live guys from the jump. Now, he's biased.
Starting point is 00:11:45 His wealth, his status, where he stands in life, is all created by the PGA tour. And you could say that was the same for every guy that went to live. But he made a comment this week on the radio show that Kepka is one of his boys, one of his good buddies. Obviously his BFF is Tiger, but he said that Kepka wants to come back to the PGA tour. And it's pretty clear that a lot of these guys, Kepka, Bryson, I would say John Rom, who's also been outspoken about, like, he misses these events.
Starting point is 00:12:19 Because you're just not getting the same juice. I can't imagine, like, I totally understand, and I supported. It was so easy for everyone to get on the Moral High Horse. non the elite players and say, wait, why are you leaving? It's like, well, they just put $145 million, guaranteed in front of my face. And then they say if I play well in these events, I can win like $5 million. Like DJ won $50 million, I think, the first couple years on Live. That doesn't even count the couple hundred million dollars they paid him to leave.
Starting point is 00:12:52 They gave Phil like $200, $250 million. And it's not even good anymore. So when they offer John Rom, $1,300 million, like, yeah, it's easy for you to $300 million. like, yeah, it's easy for you to say no, just stay on the PGA tour, keep playing the Arnold Palmer. It's like, they just offered me $275 million in this cool-ass jacket. So I understand. But then after you play there for a couple years, you're like, I kind of just miss being under the bright lights. I miss being in the events that really matter.
Starting point is 00:13:20 And beside the majors, there are five or six events, and that's what I'm fascinated to see. Like, the integration of these guys coming back, which feels inevitable. are they going to play a normal schedule? Because if I was Kepka, or I was Bryson, let's use Bryson as an example. Because I think Kepka, one, he never took regular events besides a couple that seriously.
Starting point is 00:13:43 He was very successful at the waste management. Makes sense. Bright light event. You know, the RIV, the Torrey Pines, maybe like the players, but you think like you're not getting him to play random non-elevated events. I do think what's going to be fascinating for Bryson
Starting point is 00:13:57 is like, he's built a pretty important thing on the internet. And I can't imagine Bryson wanting to pivot off the YouTube. And one thing the tour has always struggled with is allowing these guys. And in fairness, they get so much money from these TV partners that they don't want you to rip the content. Like the CBS gets to own it. It's why they pay all this money.
Starting point is 00:14:25 And that's been the pushback guys like Bryson that Liv allows them to use. any content they want. So I think they're going to have to find and strike some happy medium because, let's face it, they really need the three guys back. John Rom, Bryson D. Shambo, and Brooks Kepka. And then, you know, for us golf nerds, the Cam Smith, the Wachian Neiman's definitely add to it. But I think most people just feel like whenever this does come back, that this is going to be normal again, I have a hard time with that.
Starting point is 00:14:56 because if I would just pay it a couple hundred million dollars, I would miss the juice and I would want some of the juice in sense of like, I'd want to play at waste. I'd want to play at the players. But some of these other events, like, I didn't like doing that before I was super rich. I don't plan on doing that now. And that's where I think the disconnect has to be
Starting point is 00:15:15 with some of these players just act like you're going to do what we tell you to do. It's hard to tell someone to do something when they have more money than you. and they no longer really need you. Like, especially Bryson. He just won a major. He's in them for the next five years.
Starting point is 00:15:32 Brooks last year won the PGA or two years ago. Like, he's in majors for five years. Like, DJ hasn't cared for five years. It doesn't even matter to him. But, like, those two guys, Cam Smith won the British Open a couple years ago. These guys don't have to worry about getting into the major. So bullying them around, I think is going to be difficult. And one thing that's clear is like, and I saw Alan Shipnuck,
Starting point is 00:15:55 talking about this on Rap Report's YouTube show. That's not Ian, that's Daniel, is these contracts are coming to an end. These weren't eight-year deals. This wasn't Patrick Mahomes. Here's 10 years, $450 million. It was like three or four years for a couple hundred million dollars. And then they end.
Starting point is 00:16:14 Well, it's like, are you going to pay me another $300 million? Are we going to keep this going when 12,000 people are watching? That's what it does feel like. Probably not. Now, you can also never say, never when you're dealing with people with trillions of dollars, with reserves that are more than most major nations all around the world. So I don't feel comfortable saying speaking in absolutes about this situation,
Starting point is 00:16:39 but it does feel like we're headed towards somewhat of a resolution in the near, I would say, year or two. I'm not confident it's going to be 2026, but I also am not confident that like even when it's like, okay, they're quote unquote back together. that it feels like what everyone thinks it's going to look like. Oh, Bryson's just playing a schedule of 15 events? I don't know. Because if I was him, it's like, no, I'm going to play some of the cool events, play the majors,
Starting point is 00:17:07 and I'm going to do my YouTube stuff. Why? Because that's making me a star. The majors make me a star, maybe the players, maybe waste, and Jack's tournament and YouTube. So I don't think he's going to pivot off that. I don't think Brooks Kefka is going to be like, oh, see you guys at the John Deere.
Starting point is 00:17:23 The other thing is One thing that is unique to golf is like even in tennis Like you can start playing bad hitting the net and missing serves But there is nothing like a golf meltdown Because it happens on an individual hole When a guy in the lead or in the mix
Starting point is 00:17:44 Just has a disaster And that's what happened to Jake Knapp on Sunday And while it has to be just Listen, we all can relate if you play golf that all of a sudden you're just kind of cruising along and playing pretty good
Starting point is 00:17:58 and then you get a triple boge or you hit two balls in the water or you just hit one out of bounds and then you three putt and you're like did I just make an eight on a par five? It happens to all of us. The difference is we're not playing on the PGA tour and we're not tied for the lead
Starting point is 00:18:13 on hole 11 after shooting a 59 on Thursday and I was watching on my couch when Jake Knapp hits it into the water and you're like, okay, he's going to drop, try to make a bogey here. Then he tries to hit it out of the water because his ball is kind of submerged and does not get the ball out.
Starting point is 00:18:32 And it rolls back in. Then he hits it again. And you just, for as awesome as great shots are, I think the most riveting thing that can happen on television and professional golf is that. I think it's just,
Starting point is 00:18:47 I can't believe this is going on. And I would say the cognizant and Jake Knapp on the scale of 1 to 10 importance in the grand scheme of things is pretty low. But when moments like that happen, let's face it, I had a decent amount of money last year on Max Homa to win the Masters. I live bet them. I think I put $1,000 on them at like 15 to 1 on either Thursday or Friday.
Starting point is 00:19:12 And we're cruising on Sunday. I'm like, I think this is going to happen. This is going to be the biggest win or one of them. I guess I hadn't hit my Bryce and D. Chambot Parley that I would the U.S. Open, which is the biggest gambling win I've ever had. But it felt like, I'm going to do this. And then all of a sudden, hold 12, and he hits it into the bush. And I immediately look, I have a cash out option that I think I got like $940 back.
Starting point is 00:19:38 So I basically lost like $60. And I immediately cash out. And then obviously he just he implodes. I mean, anyone would have. He's in a bush. What's he going to do? And that feeling, when you're watching it, I think some of the biggest moments in the history of golf are some of the big putts made or the great shots made.
Starting point is 00:19:57 But I actually think we think about Jordan Speeth on 12 melting down, right? John Vanderveld melting down. Greg Norman melting down. And sometimes a meltdown can just be an awful shot slash an awful break. And sometimes, and I try to think about this and I do a terrible job of like, should I just hit out? Should I just chip out and live to fight another day? That's not fun.
Starting point is 00:20:23 That is not an enjoyable way to play golf. And even if you're gambling with buddies and you can lose 50 bucks or whatever, I like being aggressive on the golf course. It's not fun to just chip out unless you absolutely have to. So I understand when guys, the first inclination and feeling inside is going to be like, I can pull this shit off. Now, one thing I saw Golf Channel, the dude in studio, was kind of critical of NAP.
Starting point is 00:20:49 When you're in the submerged, not in the lake, but in that kind of mud area where you can step, he had to take a shoe off. You got to swing out of your ass and just get the ball on dry land, whether it's in the green or even deep in the sand. And he kind of pussyfooted it. He didn't swing that hard. And the ball barely went anywhere. And all of a sudden, some dude no one's ever heard of with a bucket hat who was at Pepperdine a couple years ago, Start draining birdies,
Starting point is 00:21:19 nap falls apart, and he wins it pretty easily. But I do believe, as a sports fan, watching an individual in the lead on Sunday, fuck up, is elite sports television. I mean, it's just like,
Starting point is 00:21:37 this is crazy. Now, you never want to have money on that individual because the homo thing, my heart dropped when he hit it into the bush, which in the air, it looked like a good shot, and even Max was surprised. but it happens.
Starting point is 00:21:48 And then I think Ledwig and Morcawa right behind him hit the ball in the water. Maybe Morcawa was playing with Max hit the ball in the water in 11. Yeah, it's just what makes golf so fun. Who's scoring big in the NBA this season?
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Starting point is 00:26:58 The PGA Championship. Scotty was 8th. Granted, he went to jail. Bryson was second. The U.S. Open, he was tied for 41. Bryson was first. So, Bryson has a 1st, a 2nd, and a 6th. Scotty had a 40th, an 8th, and a 1st.
Starting point is 00:27:15 Is it a hot take to say that Bryson is his rival and could challenge him as the world number 1 if Bryson was on tour? I do think if Bryson was on tour right now, The way he has played in the majors the last couple years, and specifically last season, I do think we would be talking about him no differently than Scotty, Rory, Zander on a weekly basis.
Starting point is 00:27:37 And I do think going into majors now, he is considered on that level. The way that he played in the PGA, the way that he played in the U.S. Open. And honestly, he took a lot of shit because a couple of years ago he called the U.S. Open a par 67 or something. And then I think he proceeded to miss the cut. but I would say that if he can just be solid at the Masters, he is going to be a major factor on a yearly basis in the U.S. Open and the PGA Championship. So even if he doesn't win a Masters,
Starting point is 00:28:08 and I would say it's definitely no lock for him to win a Masters, but even last year, was he leading it when on hole 12, or no, it was hole 13, he chunked that like third shot, and I think he had like a seven or eight and it just kind of lost him the tournament but I think that was on Saturday if I remember correctly if he can just be consistent
Starting point is 00:28:34 at the Masters like be a factor that that's going to change the legacy because for a long time he's never going to do the Masters is not going to be his thing and the British Open probably is definitely not going to be his thing because conditions are always changing out there slow greens so I think the
Starting point is 00:28:50 the British Open, aka the Open Championship I'd be stunned if Bryson ever won that thing won that thing. But I think the U.S. Open and the PGA championship, he could win him on a yearly basis. I'm not saying he's going to win him every year, but it's never shocking either one of those tournaments. It was like Bryson's time for the league going into Sunday.
Starting point is 00:29:10 And then I think the Masters was a little bit of a wild card because I do think he's going to be able to figure this out, and then he kind of did. And the one thing they've always said is like, a, you know, you've got to hit a draw. And what does he hit? He hits a draw. You know, why'd Bubba have success there?
Starting point is 00:29:27 Lefty, but he hits a fade. Phil Mickelson, lefty, but he can hit a fade. Obviously, you can hit cuts there. I mean, Morcau had success last year, but yeah, I mean, I think Bryson is just a major, major factor. My parents recently moved from New York to Myrtle Beach. The main reason is for the golf courses. My father calls it the golf capital of the world,
Starting point is 00:29:51 because there are 90 plus golf courses, including the dunes, in your opinion, which city-state is your golf capital of the world? That's a good question. I would say that Myrtle Beach is, you could argue, is the golf capital of the south.
Starting point is 00:30:10 I'm biased. It's not like I've lived here, what, three years now, three and a half years. I would say on the West Coast, it's pretty hard to beat the greater Phoenix area when it comes to golf. I mean, there is a golf course.
Starting point is 00:30:27 It's hard to drive down a somewhat major roadway and not see a golf course every couple miles. So I can't speak to Myrtle Beach. I've always wanted to go. Like you said, there's definitely a shitload of golf courses there. But I would put, I think you'd almost have to split it up into regions. because the greater Phoenix area,
Starting point is 00:30:52 for the West Coast, there's nothing like this. There is so much golf here. It is outrageous. And I'm talking private courses. I'm talking public courses. I'm talking muni courses. I'm talking putt-puts. I'm talking grass clippings night golf.
Starting point is 00:31:09 There is, I would put this as year-round. I mean, I would imagine Myrtle Beach is the same way, beside the occasional, like, hurricane or something. but I do believe that this could go toe to toe. Now, I'm not saying that of like, I want to go to Myrtle Beach, and that is a place that I will attend with my golf clubs in the next couple years. I cracked a smile hearing you talk about what to do about the wedding ring while golfing. My regular foursome all got married about the same time, and this was a topic of conversation.
Starting point is 00:31:46 Our solution was regular wedding. ring on a daily basis, but silicone ring when doing other activities involving your hands. I found my finger can swell a bit when golfing, especially when it's warm, the ring can get a bit tight. A silicone ring solves that problem. I think he was alluding to when I talked about what do you do with the ring? When you golf. What about when you lift? What about when you just do activities? And I've talked to people that say they never take it off. I've talked to people that say they take it off all the time. My problem is this. I would say the only thing that I haven't come close to losing is like my nice watch, but that's pretty big. And I'm not a huge watch guy, so I only wear it, pick and choose,
Starting point is 00:32:37 but I've never been in a position where I've misplaced it. I lose my car keys all the time. I lose my sunglasses every day. I lose my wallet. I don't even know where it is right now. I lose my wallet. I don't even know where it is right No clue. So a ring, which is smaller than all those... I lose my Stanley. Look how big my Stanley is. I forget this thing at the gym like every other day. I'm like, oh, I got to pull back around
Starting point is 00:33:01 because I left my Stanley in the locker room. That ring, I can't take off. Because if I take that thing off, it will not be found. And I can already see, like, I'll just take it off, put it in the golf cart. Well, it's one thing if it's your golf cart, but if I'm at some random course or a TPC, all of a sudden, think how many times I've lost my little range finder.
Starting point is 00:33:24 So that's what scares me. The move of even if I have a backup one, taking it off and putting something else on, I can see that thing go by-bye. I also was torn like, do you go black? Do you go silver? Do you go silver and black? Do you go gold? I just went silver.
Starting point is 00:33:43 I guess I'm old-school traditional. Don't hate the black, though. I couldn't go gold. just saw an update that Bryson is yet to sign a $280 million extension would live with potential to return to the tour. I know all the live players are currently banned but if it were to change
Starting point is 00:34:01 do you see more players return to the PGA because of Liv slowly dying out and no one caring about it. I really think that these guys will look back and go we just cashed out for a couple years. Nothing changed.
Starting point is 00:34:20 We cashed. out for a couple years, come back, and honestly, we have more intrigue. You know, if you're Bryson, people forget, I wouldn't say he was polarized. I'd say most people didn't like him. People made fun of him. Now, part of that was Kepka had much more support. Obviously, the part of my take guys like him. Seems just more of a cool guy. Bryson was a nerd and everyone talked shit. And then eventually Kepka and him just became buddies. And Bryson's YouTube channel took off like a rocket ship. He's playing golf with Tom Brady, Tony Romo, and just everyone under the sun, Trump, and people just like the dude. So now Bryson's popularity feels like he's the biggest star in golf.
Starting point is 00:35:05 And that includes Scotty Sheffler and Roy McElroy. So I would say Tiger's the most famous, but right now the biggest star actively playing is Bryson Deschambeau. So whatever the PGA tour has to do to get that guy in tournaments, whenever this thing merges, is the most important thing. honestly it's more important than Rahm and Kepka and those guys are important but having Bryce and Deschambeau compete like at the players or at the waste management at RIV at Jack's tournament just at some of these tournaments whenever it finally does happen will be a big fucking deal and I think by far
Starting point is 00:35:40 he will be the biggest draw of the group and I think he will come back you know Michael Jordan was extremely popular and then all of a sudden he goes to play for the minor league team. When he came back, he was bigger than ever. I'll never forget, I mean, I was probably 12 years old turning on that game when he came out at MSG in 45. Like, it's a little bit, and again, I'm not comparing Bryce and Deshambone to Michael Jordan, but relative to like the golf world, that moment, he will be by far of all the guys.
Starting point is 00:36:13 Even if Kepka's there, ROM's there, will be the number one guy we talk about and be the number one guy I want to watch. I'd be interested, like, what will his odds be? His first PGA tournament. Like, is he a 9 to 1 guy? Are we getting him 14 to 1? The odds on some of the live guys are going to be fascinating. I think the sad part is, and I've loved this guy, and I've gambled on him a lot,
Starting point is 00:36:33 and I've won some money on him over the years, is DJ's just done. You know, DJ is, what, 12, 13 years younger than Phil? Phil, it's understandable. He's 53, 54 years old. You're just not as good at golf. You can't compete with the younger guys. Like, okay, I get it. Whatever.
Starting point is 00:36:50 You become a YouTube guy with Grant. Totally understand. DJ basically is like, yeah, I'm over. I'm just done. Someone asked me the other day, what are the chances that Dustin Johnson over the course of the last six months has just actively went to the range
Starting point is 00:37:07 and really practiced? Not like hit a couple of balls before he went to play with his buddies or with his brother or just around, you know, playing high-level guys, like just went and grinding. It does feel like kind of small. It does feel like those days for him or over.
Starting point is 00:37:24 Which, listen, you grind for 15, 20 years, you make all this money, you get paid out for live. When he first went to live, he was kicking the shit out of everybody. I'm a big DJ guy, but it's kind of sad. It does feel like his career's over. And I do commend Bryson. Now, he's way younger. He has a lot more to accomplish.
Starting point is 00:37:43 But, like, it does feel like Bryson. Listen, Bryson's a golf nerd. Bryson honestly is much more like Phil and Tiger in terms of just thinks about golf 24-7, 365. That's like Tom and Peyton Manning. Like those guys think and talk about football all the time. Like Belichick and Andy Reed. Right. And that's kind of the Bryson of golf.
Starting point is 00:38:03 Like he's a junkie. He's going to be into golf the rest of his life. It defines his life, which I respect. Like he takes it very, very seriously. That's never been the case with Dustin Johnson. He was just an elite talent. And Kepka was somewhere in the middle. I think he cares about it a lot more than he portrays.
Starting point is 00:38:22 And he just loves to compete. And I think Bryson is like the Phil Tiger nerdy who also likes to compete. So I'm pretty, I get fired up like every human for the majors just because it's, I kind of miss seeing these guys. Would you ever consider a prop bet talk? Enjoy the golf talk in regard to your schedule. I think it's perfect because the PGA picks up from February of September. The last major tournament is the writer. Cup in September not really missing much.
Starting point is 00:38:48 Totally agree. My thing is, yeah, I mean, I will talk whatever. I don't do that many prop bets. And maybe I'm an outlier. Like, the things I bet when it comes to golf are top tens and 20s. I used to just bet winners. And then you realize, like, there's a reason morons play the lottery. And listen, my mom plays the lottery.
Starting point is 00:39:08 I tell her all the time, like, we got to stop doing this. Like, just go buy something else. just keep your money. Stop playing the lottery. And I think sometimes betting on people to win, which I still do, it's just very, very difficult. Now, it's easier to hit a winner in golf than it is playing the lottery. But my point is, I've really transitioned to top tens and top 20s. And I've had a lot of success over the years. But in terms of like individual matchups, you know, this guy versus this guy on an individual day, I don't really play.
Starting point is 00:39:40 Now, the one thing I've dabbled in, especially around the majors, are like the groups. they basically pick five guys. So for the Masters, it'll be like, Scotty, Rory, Zander, Rom, Cam Smith, or, you know, I'm trying to, Ludwig. And, you know, starting with Scotty, he'll be like plus 150 and Levig might be four to one. And you're just betting against those five guys, whoever has the best score at the end of 72 holes. So you can get Ludwig five to one just against four of the guys. Now you're playing the best guys. Sometimes like the second tiers or third tiers,
Starting point is 00:40:15 It's like kind of random guys. It'll be like Max Homa. It'll be like Shane Lowry. It'll be like Jason Day. Victor Hovelin. That's probably as propy as I'll get. I've done this before, but you talk about lottery tickets. First round leader.
Starting point is 00:40:32 There can't be a bigger Hail Mary. It's professional golf. All these guys on any given day can shoot 7, 8, 9. Major is a little harder, but we just saw Jake Knapp shoot a 59. No one in the world thinks when Thursday starts, you know, this guy's going to shoot a 59. But it's like you can get 60 to one odds for one round. I've dabbled a little bit in that. But that's probably as propy as I've ever got.
Starting point is 00:41:00 I think it's a little easier prop betting in football or basketball when it's like, Steph's going to score over 24 points. You know, Debo's going to have 60 yards. Jalen Hertz is going to score two touchdowns. I guess there's some of the birdie ones. making miss the cut I don't hate but that's a little like over and under
Starting point is 00:41:23 I don't like rooting for guys to miss the cut but sometimes the guy's not playing well it's not a bad bet yeah but overall that'll do it for go low appreciate everybody I think I'll do a podcast tomorrow on some football stuff I think I saw Maria mentioned
Starting point is 00:41:38 before I walked in here Devante Adams got cut which is not shocking of course you had a $40 million cap hit but other than that, have a great day. And let's win a little money this week. Lowry, top 20, Ludwig Hadecki top tens. Let's get it.
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Starting point is 00:44:47 or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, we just probably within the last 30 minutes had some breaking news, and I wanted to jump on and give a quick reaction to what happened. Sequin Barclay got a contract extension. He got like $35 million more guaranteed dollars, and he now jumps McCaffrey, who last year I think got a big raise right before the season, and then he couldn't even play at like $18, 19 million a year. Now Sequin's making over 20, and if you factor in the,
Starting point is 00:45:25 guarantees of 36 plus the 27 from last year. You know, you're still guaranteeing a running back $50 million. But I think a couple things. One, Howie Roseman knows his locker room. And when he was at the combine, I saw him tell Florio that he thought that Sequin had the greatest season in the history of a running back in NFL history. Now, I'd have to get like Parcells and Belichick on the horn here, some historians to, some people at NFL films, but clearly it was an all-time great season. I do think it would be tough to go in, it's essentially his contract year. He's signed a three-year deal, but he only got 27 guaranteed, so you do the math.
Starting point is 00:46:12 I mean, the last season's kind of fake. So you want to take care of the guy, but when you have, he's still the seventh highest-paid guy on his own offense. They got two tackles making a ton. Landon Dickerson makes a boatload. Quarterback makes a ton. Wide receivers make a lot. So it's like even with getting this extra extension guarantee, relative to some of these guys on his own team, it's not like he is by far the highest paid guy.
Starting point is 00:46:38 They got a lot of guys making a lot of dough. But you can't have Sequin making half as much as all these other guys. The 49ers were in this position last year. Now, they wouldn't have done it if they knew McCaffrey had all these injuries going on, these phantom injuries. Saquant's clearly healthy. But it's pretty tough to walk in and going, I'm making a third of what, like, Devante Smith's making.
Starting point is 00:47:02 Like, that would be a problem for me as a human being. Or I'm making, you know, 40%. Right? The human dynamics, forever Belichick used to talk about this, he would trade down in the first round. Because he struggled, and this is before, like, 2011,
Starting point is 00:47:19 once the CBA changed, the amount of money guys could make in the draft. But if you drafted a player in the first round, depending on where, they would make, I mean, if you had the number one or top five pick, they would often be the highest paid guy in your locker room. But even if you somehow got to like the late teens or early 20s, that guy would be making more than a majority of guys on your team.
Starting point is 00:47:41 So you would bring in a dude from college who immediately is making more than like a pro bowler who's still on a rookie contract. It might be a third round or a fourth round. And listen, I don't care what industry you work in. I don't care how much money you make, whether it's $50 or $50 million. Competitive people, competitive men,
Starting point is 00:48:03 judge themselves financially against others. And in a profession like football, when it's well known, who's making what, I do think you had to make him whole. And making a guy whole at running back is still a bargain. Like, you're not having to give, like if you trade for Miles Garrett because of his position and you give him an extension,
Starting point is 00:48:25 or you trade it for Max Crosby and give him an extension, you are talking 100 million plus. Miles Garrett, you're probably talking like $140 million. Micah Parsons wants a new contract. That number is going to be astronomical. Sequin Barclay, who clearly, we do this all the time with quarterbacks, right? It's about the fit. Who's your offensive coordinator?
Starting point is 00:48:47 Who's your, who are your skill guys around you? Who's your offensive line? Who's designed in the place? it's no different with elite running backs. Saquan Barkley Giants are kind of overrated, not that great. Christian McCaffrey with the Panthers, kind of washed, get with the right guy, get in the right fit,
Starting point is 00:49:04 Hall of Fame talents, rise. You could put Micah Parsons on any team he's going to look good. You could put Miles Garrett on any team he's going to look good. You could put Dorel Revis on any team in his prime, he's going to lock you down. That is not the case with a lot of offensive players. As a wide receiver, I need someone to throw me the ball. Many years, Larry Fitzgerald played with shitty quarterbacks.
Starting point is 00:49:23 It impacts. you. You see Sekewan Barclay. Hall of Fame talent. I do not understand. Now, did anyone know he was going to help lead the Eagles to the Super Bowl and run for 2,500 yards? Harry Roseman didn't know that. But anyone
Starting point is 00:49:37 with a fucking pulse knew the moment the Eagles signed him, it's like, guys, they have the best offensive line in the league. Guys, they have a dual threat quarterback and they will run RPO's with them, and they got sweet wide receivers in a tight end. This is going to work.
Starting point is 00:49:53 Now, at what level? I don't know. He's probably going to be a pro bowler if he stays healthy. And then he becomes like first team all pro elite. It's like plug and play. The only question it turns out with guys like McCaffrey and Seyquan when they get in the right place is health. Because if they're healthy and they're with the right team and the right play caller, buckle up and get out of the way. Because they're kicking your ass.
Starting point is 00:50:18 And I just think at the price point in which you pay these elite guys, it's still a bargain. And this also shows like Jeffrey Lurie spends more actual cash than all these other teams. And it's a great place to play if you're a good player. Because you will get compensated and they will keep you around. What Sequin has going for him, obviously relative to other positions, he's not that expensive. But they were around him for a year and they're like, we love this guy. Wait, you're telling me this super high character, great player who is a superstar in the town.
Starting point is 00:50:51 Everyone loves him. Like, that's the type guy you build your franchise around. And Sequin, in a weird way, take some pressure off the quarterback on and off the field because of this startup. And, you know, you hear this in the NBA, this argument, which is so stupid about, like, who's the face of the league? It's like, guys, we determine that shit. The face of the leagues were always determined by, I don't know, the most popular player. Magic, Larry, Michael, Kobe, LeBron, Steph. This isn't a complicated formula.
Starting point is 00:51:24 The media doesn't choose it. The fans, the consumer does. And, like, Sequin is someone who just resonates with people. He is a fun player to watch. He is a fan-friendly player. Whether you're an Eagles fan or you like the NFL, you're gonna like Seekwon Barclay.
Starting point is 00:51:43 His approval rate, and this is true with most star running backs, Barry Sanders, you did not need to be a Detroit Lions fan. You could have been the Packers or the Vikings. everyone like Barry Sanders. I mean, everyone like Seyquan Barkley. A couple years ago, I didn't hear anyone saying a negative thing
Starting point is 00:51:58 about Christian McCaffrey. Walter Payton's approval rating was pretty freaking high. Everyone likes watching Derek Henry play football. Players who run with the football are enjoyable to watch. And I think when you factor in all the variables,
Starting point is 00:52:15 this is an easy decision for the Eagles. And, like, it just shows you, Now, Sego-on was the number two overall pick. So he made a lot of money on his rookie deal. I mean, as much as you humanly can in this rookie scale. But, like, sometimes getting drafted super high, if you are a really talented player, can really stunt your growth.
Starting point is 00:52:38 It can really put you in a position that is not fair. I say this all the time. I have a ton of admiration for, honestly, even college players. I can't imagine being 20, 21 years old. and someone paying me $950,000. What would you, where would you even start? I don't even, I mean, I can't even, and then the pressure of these guys to get drafted really high
Starting point is 00:53:02 and get a $30 million signing bonus. But then go to a team that sucks and be a part of an operation that's awful. And be a part of a roster that stinks. Like to keep yourself, it's so easy as you get older, and I do this a lot, like, hey, keep your head up, times you're going to get better, the sun comes up, no matter how shittier
Starting point is 00:53:21 day is, adversity's going to hit us all. Because all that cliche stuff is true. For every human being, there is no avoiding problems. But ideally, the older you get, it's easier to handle. Like, imagine being like 23, 24, 25, and handling all this shit. Now you could say, listen,
Starting point is 00:53:37 I'd rather handle this stuff as a young guy and still be rich. True. I would rather handle problems with a bunch of money in the bank than no money in the bank and having problems. Totally agree. I'm not disputing that. But I do think for the most part, these guys do a really good job. You know, look at Sam Darnold resurrecting his career.
Starting point is 00:53:54 Like, never was really a problem, even through when everyone was taking a gigantic dump on the guy's career. You know, Baker handled it, probably like most of us would have. Little, like, okay, I'll fight back a little bit. Don't blame him. But I think Sequin, everything he went through with the Giants, and listen, he wouldn't have been as good on the Giants. We all understand that.
Starting point is 00:54:13 But this continues to age. Like, John Morris sitting there. The owner of the fucking team said, I don't know if I can sleep at night. You know why? Because he's got a pulse. He's got a brain. He understands like,
Starting point is 00:54:25 this is their arrival. They are the team right down the road. And he understands they're good. Like, they got a bunch of talent. Like, this is probably going to go well. And it couldn't have gone any better. Devante Adams was also trading, right? Not, or I mean cut today.
Starting point is 00:54:41 He was traded last during the season. But like, that was kind of obvious. Like, yeah, I don't know if this is going to work. This thing's weird. And then what happened? It got weird. It just didn't work. And now he's just available.
Starting point is 00:54:52 And it's just his career ever since, like him and Roger is like, I want out of Green Bay. It's like, are you guys sure? Do you guys understand? Like Sequin got there, and sometimes I think it helps. You know, Devante was drafted into a team
Starting point is 00:55:07 with the Packers that is just one of the most well-run operations in all the sports. Now, you can nitpick. They're not as good as some of these teams, but they are consistently always solid. more than likely they're going to win 10 to 12 games every single year. So it's like Devante, kind of got some first-class problems.
Starting point is 00:55:25 Which we're all human beings. I don't care where you are. I say this all the time about my job. I'm a podcaster. My job's problems relative to a guy digging ditches or tough manual labor jobs, I can't relate. But I don't care what you do. Everything that you do for a living, eventually, even the coolest stuff, You could be the starting quarterback for one of the NFL teams eventually can feel some monotonous characteristics of your profession.
Starting point is 00:55:57 And it becomes a job, and it feels like a job. But you look at Devante, it's like you had it pretty good. And I think Sequin's like, I realize what the NFL was. It's hard. It's humbling. You get your ass kick more often than not most places. and he comes to the Eagles and he goes, God, I got it pretty well.
Starting point is 00:56:17 I would say the same thing for Stafford. And props to him and McVeigh kind of alluded to this with McAfee, like when it comes out, everyone will realize, damn, he did us a favor. And I give Stafford credit because, listen, it's easy for me to say, like you've already had a bunch of money. The difference between $50 million, that's a lot of money. I don't care how much money you got in the bank.
Starting point is 00:56:38 It's easy for a bunch of poor people to tell you what to do with your money. And I would include myself, I'm guilty of this. But I also give you credit when you realize the money's not going to change my life given I'm so rich. So I got a pretty good spot. I understand what that Andy Dufrein Giff of him getting through, you know, the sewer and out to that little river
Starting point is 00:57:01 and looking up at the sky, that's these guys. Getting away from the Giants, getting away from the Detroit Lions, to the Eagles, to the Rams. Like, it doesn't get any better than that. It doesn't mean you're going to win the Super Bowl every year. it doesn't mean every year is going to be easy, but you're part of high-level football team with an elite operation that has a chance
Starting point is 00:57:21 when the season starts every single year. The Giants have no shot. They have no fucking shot. Detroit, pre-Dan Campbell, for the most part, had no shot. And I just think I'm always excited when elite players get put in good positions. When elite players who are good,
Starting point is 00:57:42 guys, like they weren't the problem. They weren't the reason their team was losing. And seeing Sequan get paid a bunch. It just seems, I mean, I've been watching him like a lot of people since he played at Penn State. He's just, he's just an easy player to watch. It's just fun. And having him on a good team, like just, like Steph Curry, it's much more enjoyable
Starting point is 00:58:04 to watch Steph when the Warriors are good because he's an easy watch. And I'm not even that big of a basketball fan anymore. But now Jimmy Butler's there. It's like, give me Steph. And that's how I feel with Sequoan. I'll Sequin any given game. Go for $2.50.
Starting point is 00:58:17 I'm fucking in. So, uh, congrats to Sequin, Barclay. Congrats to, uh, Howie to keep this thing rolling. But I'm an Eagle fan. I'm pretty fired up right now. Volume. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers.
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