The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Go Low - Nothing like Majors season, JT and Bones break-up, Tiger is back, sort of

Episode Date: April 4, 2024

John dives into Justin Thomas's decision to fire Bones as his caddy the week before The Masters, and why that might be the wrong timing even if it hasn't been working out this year. John also discusses the issues surrounding the sport of golf and how Tiger Woods hasn't been helping the game. Lastly, John talks about some bets for The Masters. 9:56 - JT and Bones break-up 15:30 - Tiger Woods is back 19:36 - Where has Rory been 26:00 - Best bets Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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restrictions, terms, and responsible gaming resources. What is going on, everybody, John Middellkaw. Go Low podcast. This weekend, when you're watching the Final Four, on CBS, you will see a lot of Augustine National commercials because the Masters is, if you're listening to this on Thursday, a week away. So, thank God, obviously turmoil and golf. We have talked about it here.

nonstop is almost over. Because four times a year now, everybody gets together. A ton of live guys are going, so we finally get something very, very important, which is refreshing. Because right now, and I'm going to talk about it,

it's the same story kind of consistently as happening in golf. Mickelson today at Liv at his press conference talked about, this is the disruption phase. I have some thoughts on that. Justin Thomas fired bones

Jim Mackay the long time caddy for Phil Mickelson legendary caddy and they broke up today a week before the Masters which I'm not going to lie is pretty weird Rory McElroy and Butch Harmon working together well

Butch kind of denies it even though he's Rory has talked about working with him in the past so be nice to see some good Roy McElroy as we get into Augusta. It's Guy de Sheffler as a two and a half to one favorite last week, two and a half to one.

Against 150 people. That is absurd. Almost won a golf tournament. Missed a short putt to force extra holes last week. And he is a massive favorite right now going into the Masters. So for all the struggles of the PGA Tour and American guys, letting down this divided sport, Scotty Sheffler has answered the bell.

And he continues to answer the bell every single week. In Tiger Woods, one thing, he's going to play in the Masters. He claimed he was going to play once a month. Those are his words, not mine. And we have not seen him once a month. So it's going to be interesting to see the state and the health of his game. Hard to expect much right now. But Tiger Woods, right around the corner.

We don't get to see him very often. So even if our expectations are low, it is nice to just see him playing golf. And yeah, we will talk some more golf. But first, I got to tell you about my friends, the official ticketing app of this podcast, go to your smartphone and download a little app. That app is known as GameTime.

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And it's obviously famously known for Jack Nicholas winning his last major championship in his mid-40s. and it was pretty cool to watch. Obviously, the game is dramatically different. I mean, he's hitting 5 iron from 190 yards. These guys now are hitting 8, 7 iron. So the club selection, but watching him, watching Greg Norman,

who I don't want to say choked on 18 because he had birdied 14, 15, 16, and 17 to throw his hat back in the ring. But he easily probably hit one of the worst shots of his career at a big moment and it blew it. He bogeed and Jack won. Sevy, I would say, was more of the guy that choked. But it was a fascinating watch.

I mean, it was fucking awesome. Nance, at the time, was not calling the Masters. He just had a whole 16. Pat Summerall, obviously John Madden's partner forever. And there was just, there's nothing like the majors. And it's always been like that. We've talked a lot about the disaster that currently is professional golf because of the split. Phil Mickelson said we're in this disruption phase.

This is like phase two or three. And I was just thinking like, you know, in professional baseball, I remember the strike in 94 when the season ended. We've had potential threats of strikes and lockouts in football disrupting the seasons. It's never actually happened. and it's a big story but the fans really don't care it's either players getting richer

owners getting richer it's rich people making more money right obviously the media loves to social analyze everything of like the little guy versus the big guy most fans just want to watch the games they just want to know when their sport is on

turn on the TV and watch the best players play this isn't very complicated The reason Iowa and LSU got 13 million people to watch the other night, more than any NBA final game last year, Keith, Denver, is because we like stars, we like big events. This is entertainment. We're looking, most people's lives are difficult, have a lot going on. Obviously, financially, things have never been more expensive.

They just want to kick their feet up and watch something fun. And golf's definitely lost that. I mean, there's no way around it. I love the sport. It's really like the only hobby I have in my life. And it just hasn't felt the same this year. Now, we've talked at, it feels like nauseam over and over. It feels like we're beating a dead horse.

A big reason is the stars have not played that well. JT just broke up with Bones, who I, the gym I go to now, a couple times I've seen them there. And not that I got cold feet, but I wanted to introduce myself but I was like, do I just introduce myself as a podcaster? Then he's going to think I'm just introducing him because I want to have him on the show.

Should I say, I've really enjoyed his work on the time? I didn't, I've had to overthink it. I want to meet the guy, but I just didn't quite know what to say. I think I was going to go with, hey man, it's cool, you're on JT's bag, I miss you on TV. You were awesome at it. Now it kind of feels like he'll probably be back on TV.

But to fire your caddy, Before the Masters, when you are quote unquote, a top four or five American player, is kind of weird. Like, that's not very normal, right? Shows you shit is not right. And I would say this, Bones is universally like one of the nicest guys in the sport. Everyone seems to really, really like the guy. Now, JT, the last year, has been, he showed signs of life early this season, but he just missed the cut at the players the other day, an event that he had won a couple years ago. Let's face it, post-winning the PGA championship with Bones on the bag, which I don't want to call lucky, because it's so easy to eat in any situation, whether you're having success,

whether you win a game or you win a golf tournament or whatever, to be like, well, he got some lucky breaks. Yeah, welcome to life. Right? He was obviously way back, going into the back nine. He shanked one, I think, on hole six. People had to fall apart. They did, and he took advantage. Then he won the fucking thing in extra holes. And he's proven before that that he can win big events. So it's not like part of success is you need a little luck. But he's been objectively pretty terrible since. And I also wonder, like, listen, I think someone who lost his dad years ago, I always think it's cool how tight Justin Thomas and his father are. Obviously, it's his swing coach, and you cannot turn on the TV.

You know, on a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday of a big event when golf channel's there and not see visuals of his father next to him. And that's something like that kind of brings me joy when I see. But when you separate that and you put it from a professional standpoint, like that's got to be, there's a lot going on there. You got a father who's heavily involved, a very prominent famous player. Let's face it, Bones is a pretty famous caddy, and things have just gone poorly. Now, it's not like Bones is the guy directing him how to swing, changes to make.

He just tells him yardages and strategy on different shots. So Bones' resume kind of speaks for itself. And listen, it doesn't feel like anything too crazy happened, but you never know. to break up the week before the Masters, I'm sorry, my red flag goes off, and it's waving around right now. Something is weird. And clearly next week,

he's going to get asked about it. It's going to be the number one question that people are going to want to know, like, you fired bones, or you guys had a separation the week before the Masters? But I also think it's pretty symbolic of, like, yeah, JT hasn't carried his weight this year. Neither is Jordan Speath.

neither is Patrick Cantlay. Neither is basically anyone not named Scotty Sheffler. Thank God for Scotty Sheffler or this season might as well been the Corn Ferry Tour on steroids. And thank God were to the majors. Because, like I said, love this sport,

gamble on this sport. If it was not for gambling, I would not be paying attention. I mean, these leaderboards have such random guys that the casual fan and businesses are built on the casual fan

because even the casual golf fan can get behind oh Jordan Spee's playing Scotty Sheffler and Ricky Faler those guys are nowhere to be found ever and Scotty Sheffler every single week win or lose answers the bell

and he's right there and he easily could have won last week as a two and a half to one favorite do you know how absurd it is and this speaks to like Tiger back in the day, but it's like everyone keeps talking about it. People were not gambling on golf in 2003, like they are in 2024. I'm sorry. You had to be a legit degenerate plus the access and the internet. It's completely different now. So what I love hearing, that's tiger type numbers. Yeah,

a tiny subset of human beings ever saw those numbers. Now these numbers to me, like, Scotty Sheffler in a tournament of 150 people was a two and a half to one favorite and easily could have forced extra holes on whole 72 from 5.5 feet. Now he missed the putt. Just hat tip to that guy. Seriously.

You know? It's like for all the shit that's gone wrong this year and Phil Mickelson's talking about disruption, like I said with the lockouts and the strikes, like disruption is great for people involved in the business, maybe not so great for some of them. But do you know who it does not benefit at all us? Like, none of us care about disruption.

We just want to watch the best players. Thank God the Masters is here. Like, I'm not into disruption. I just want to watch John Rom and Bryson D. Shambo and Scottie Schaeffler and Brooks Kepka all playing together. And for the first time, in a long time, we're getting it. Because even Tiger Woods. I feel like he lied to us.

He said last year, I think at the PNC or at the Hero Championship, that I plan on playing once a month. I'm not even expecting Tiger to ever compete again. I don't expect to get the 2019 Masters. Like, okay, those days are long gone. That's fine. I do just like it when you're in the event. It's just something to pay attention to on Thursday and Friday.

And you said once a month. He said it. Not us. No one made it up. A couple years ago, we're like, hey, we get Tiger, the four majors the year, It's cool with me. And then he gets his surgery and he's like, listen, short term it's going to suck, but long term, I'm going to be healthier.

Then he plays RIV and he gets influenza meets the shits. And all of a sudden he's just MIA. And he's the guy helping lead the PGA Tour and Yasser, they're playing golf in the Bahamas. The players comes and goes, which I don't know, beside the PGA Tour doesn't own the majors. so it's easily the PGA Tour's biggest event of the year. And Tiger, it's not like he even releases a statement. Like, hey, not doing that well, or still battling some stuff or not feeling right.

He just doesn't enter the event. It's like, what the fuck? I heard the barstool guys talking about it. Like, I'm sorry, it's kind of disappointing. It's our expectations for him are obviously different. But he said it. The expectations were kind of there. He was going to throw his hat in the ring of like,

listen, we've lost some name, recognition. We've lost some star power. That happened. I'll help. Just my presence helps. I matter. Look at the NBA. You know who matters the most by a mile? LeBron and Steph. They're not the best players anymore, but they are by far the most powerful brands when you put them on television that most people watch. But in basketball, like you need their teams to win. And right now they're going to play each other in the 9-10 game. If it was golf, as long as they were playing, you'd be fine. And Tiger just didn't play the players.

Now, I guess we'll hear him talk for the first time in a long time since RIV this upcoming week. But like, Tiger, are you gonna play anymore besides the four majors? Or no, you're actually just back on that plan, which, again, if he's injured, if he's not feeling great, I get it. But if it's just like, yeah,

I just wasn't really feeling it. Like, that kind of sucks. And this reflects the situation the Tours in. They're very dependent on this 46, 47, 48-year-old guy who's had a million surgeries. And when he doesn't play, it hurts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The other guy who I would say has been pretty disappointed, does he have a top 10 this year and he's playing this week, is Rory. Now, in fairness to Rory, when all this shit originally happened with Liv, he was really good. And he helped kind of carry the torch, not just emotionally with his words, but with his play. He's been really damn good in the majors the last two years.

Now he hasn't won one, but I think he's top 10 in like five or six of them. He's top five in several. He had a chance to win multiple. The U.S. Open, St. Andrews, like he easily could have won a couple of majors the last couple years. But so far this year, he's looked pretty bad. Now, he's spoken about sometimes he'll just go to Butch for a couple hours to get some eyes on him. And it helps. Anyone that watch full swing, Ricky goes to Butch, is my mom.

much as Butch is a technical coach, right? Get your hands here. You know, move the ball up, move the ball back, whatever, all the stuff golf coaches do. Get your hand a little over. Get your back swing on plane. All that bullshit. Clearly emotionally and mentally, he's on a completely different level. And even Ricky said it. He just helped get my mind right. And maybe that's what Rory needs, just to get his mind right. Because in fairness, JT's been bad for a while. Spee's all over the map. Like the door kind of looking around like Scottie's like, hey guys can I get some fucking help here? Can I get some help here?

Because all we're talking about is the equity and the money going here and who's getting what? Like, what do you guys think you deserve right now? Television ratings going into the tank. It just, some guys eventually got to play well. In Tiger, the ghost of Tiger, which I'm just getting frustrated off because I miss them.

I need a reason besides having some money on Billy Horshiel in the top 20 to watch. Like, that's the only thing that bothered me. I just wish he was around. And him and Phil are clearly the most famous players of the last, you know, post, like, Jack and Arnie. And those guys' careers are just on the back couple holes, right? I mean, Phil, I know he won at Kiowa several years ago, but he's objectively pretty terrible right now. Tiger can barely walk 18 holes every time we see him. it'd be nice if some of these other guys answered the bell.

And I understand there's a ton of pressure given all this stuff that's out of these guys' control, but the tour could really, really use Rory playing well. And I think we all agree that, like, the shitty part about ROM leaving wasn't that like, oh, Liv stole a sweet player because it's not like I'm going to watch Live. I mean, they're playing this week.

I actually like checking the leaderboard, but at most on a given week, I've watched 9. nine holes, and it's always on the Saturday, like the final nine holes. And usually I only end up watching a couple. Like the rating speaker for themselves, we're not watching, we're not consuming it that way. But we do miss having this rivalry that was, you know, functionally taking place. Scotty Schaeffler and John Rom had established themselves as the two big, big dogs in the sport.

And then they only see each other now four times a year. but that is cool about this upcoming week because I think everything surrounding it all the drama, all the talk, it all kind of comes to a head. It all does. And Scotty with his play, and I know he's,

he didn't win last week, but being such a massive favorite is, I think even going to add an extra element of like, hey John, you're the defending champ. What do you've been up to? Because we don't count any of that shit you're doing over there. It doesn't matter to anybody. Like, we objectively see Scottie.

Now, granted, he's playing a bunch of names most people have not heard of, but he's going to war with him every single week. And he's unfazed. Whether it's Rory, J.T. and Zander playing well that week or seven other dudes that were just on the corned ferry tour. Scottie's the only guy taking him on.

And clearly his game, besides his putting, which I think we all can relate to, can be very hit or miss. he is on a different level. It's crazy how high as floor is. Even the shittiest version of him, he's become like a LeBron James or a Patrick Mahomes. Even when he's off, he's still incredible.

And even when he's off, he's in the mix. He's finished second or third. I mean, it's crazy to see him in like sixth place. And even when you come into the weekend, you're like, oh, where's Scott? He's like 11th? You're like, oh, watch out. Here he comes. Then you check the leaderboard six, seven holes later.

he's birded three of his last five holes, and he's jumped up and he's won behind the lead. That's the coolest part about watching a guy that's just dialed in like him. And I hope some of these other guys, Kepka's very outspoken about it, how seriously he takes this time of the year, how the last couple months all build up to this point of the year. Obviously, John Ron, the pride he took in winning that major, I mean, let's face it, winning the Masters kind of gave him the freedom to be like, I'm out. I've won the U.S. Open, I've won the Masters, I'm taking this enormous amount of money from the Saudis.

But, you know, I hope he comes ready, and I just think it has a chance to be very, very special. And I think the coolest part is, is it feels for the first time in a long time that it just really matters. Obviously, it matters no matter what, because it's the Masters, but none of these tournaments,

all the lives, all the other tournament, have just felt kind of blah, have just felt kind of irrelevant. And that's, so Phil can say all he wants about, oh, the disruption phase. Well, that's great for you guys. Y'all making money. PJ tour players are making money.

None of us are watching, really. So the disruption phase is sweet for you guys financially. It sucks for us, the consumer. I mean, that's who it really sucks for. So yeah, disrupt all you want. You guys figure it out. It doesn't feel like you're any closer to any sort of solution. but at least the majors are here

and I don't know man I regret after I want to bet I think Rive I had some money on Zalotaurus and I won a couple grand and I cashed it maybe it was 2,500 and I was like you know what I'm going to cash out like 2

and I'm going to put I think I put $400 on Willie Z to win the Masters and I don't feel as good anymore he's been terrible lately what I should have done is taking that four or five hundred bucks and just put it on Scotty when he was like nine to one because that nine to one is never going to be seen again and if he just he's four to one to start the tournament if he just shoots like two under in the first round and if he's just in the top

ten going into the weekend that number is going to go from four to one to plus 150 really fast Now, two other guys, these numbers can jump quick because of their history here is Kepka, who has talked openly about his desire. I mean, every star player wants to win this tournament. But the benefits he has going into majors of like half the field has no shot, half the other guys that make the cut are going to get nervous and crumble on the weekend. Some of the other guys that make the cut actually aren't playing that well. So I'm really playing like 20 guys, right?

Well, Augusta is not a full field. It's like give or take 90 people. And 20 of those guys past champions have no shot. Half the guys are playing the tournament for the first couple times in their career are not going to be in the mix. So this is an opportunity for some of these guys playing well. I mean, one early name that's jumped out

because I do think he's been pretty good this year and he was definitely good besides not making the putts down the stretch at the players is Zander. I mean, Zander's major history is pretty damn good. I know he's never won a big tournament a major, but

I think he has a lot of momentum for all that non-kepka, non-ROM, you know, it's hard to have any faith in Rory. For Rory to be the second betting favorite right now, and maybe he does play well, that's crazy. And part of it is just the name. It's like, why do the Cowboys and the Lakers,

their odds always a little inflated? Because more people bet on them. Like, to me, Rory, let's face it, as of right now, the way he's playing should be 20 to 1. Not 10 to 1. Scottie Sheffler should be 4 to 1. And I think based on respect, ROM should be somewhere 7, 8 to 1.

But he's more like 12, 13 to 1. I think a big reason is, like, how sharp are his skills? Iron sharpens iron. even if you're playing against Matthew Pavan and Trotty and Stephen Yeager and some of these kind of fringe as no laying up calls them the mules or the former corn fairy guys I do think it hardens your skills and has you more ready than just playing shotgun golf on live but maybe ROM is so good that it won't matter and he'll be dialed in

master's right around the corner will have a big uh big podcast getting ready And I will have a lot, and I mean a lot of wagers next week. The volume. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.

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