The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Go Low - REACTION to Scottie Scheffler winning PGA Championship at Quail Hollow

Episode Date: May 19, 2025

John Middlekauff REACTS to world no.1 Scottie Scheffler dominant performance at the PGA Championship at Quail Hollow. John also discusses the controversy regarding Rory McIlroy's drivers failing the test and how it should be an obligation for golfers to speak with the media. Finally, JOhn dives into the Middlekauff Mailbag to answer your questions. 02:59 - Scottie Scheffler wins PGA Championship 17:49 - Rory McIlroy Driver Controversy 30:59 - The Cream of the Crop in Golfing has separated 33:08 - Mailbag 33:16 - Why doesn't PGA develop their own courses 35:07 - Jonathan Vegas MLB logo 36:11 - Ranking States in terms of golf 38:22 - How Players feel about being placed in Three-Man groups 39:46 - Top Golfers in LIV & their Contracts 42:09 - John's Bucket List Courses 44:06 - Best stretch a golfer has had recently 45:18 - Best Locations for a buddy golf trip 46:59 - Thoughts on Ping Golf in Arizona 48:10 - Does LIV diminish Bryson DeChambeau and Jon Rahm? Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What is going on everybody? How are we doing? Hopefully everyone's having a great weekend. Just watch the PGA Championship. So I said, you know what? Let's do a little go low. Scotty Sheffler wins the third major of his career, knocks off the second leg of the career Grand Slam,

winning the PGA Championship a year after. He was thrown in jail on a Friday morning during this tournament, but Scotty Sheffler kicks everyone's butt, wins the PGA Championship. We will dive into that. Rory McElroy, who refused to speak to the media. Not today. the entire week after his driver was found non-compliant,

we will dive into that, a complete embarrassment for a sport that I love. I'm not even just putting this gist on Rory, the entire operation. Bryson D. Shambo continues to flex his muscles, finishes second in this tournament for the second straight year, just dominating the last couple years in majors, and solidifies himself as a U.S. Rider Cup player, that's for sure. John Rom, my fellow Scottsdale resident, showed signs of life.

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when he split open his hand and got glass shards in there, he claims making Ravioli's, listen, we've all had some mishaps having a few cocktails, regardless how it happened. His season got off to a slow start. He had a tiger-like season last year, winning what felt like every freaking tournament. He won the Masters. He won the FedEx.

He won like $60 million. And it was like, this guy's a monster. And then this year happens and he doesn't win the Masters. And it's like, you know, Scotty, like right now at this point in time in his career, the money, the wins. I mean, he's just such a heavy favorite in every tournament he plays. now, you know, minus four or plus 400 or plus 300. He's like a four to three to one. I mean, good players typically as someone that's been gambling on golf now for, I don't know, half a decade, you know, high, high in guys are like 11 to 1, 12 to 1, 14 to 1. And Scotty is routinely like 4 to 1.

And honestly, it doesn't feel that crazy. Your boy might have threw a little on him. Why? Just because he's a great player. And then all of a sudden in the middle of these tournaments he'll be like minus 450. Like this guy's a fucking monster. I don't know what it looked like in the Tiger era because, you know, the draft kings of the world did not exist. But I would imagine there were a lot of similarities. When this guy gets on and he won the tournament Saturday night or Saturday afternoon, that's when the tournament was won.

And I would say, listen, Scotty Sheffler has won a lot. He's won multiple green jackets. That stretch that he had on Saturday afternoon, hole 14 to close it out until 18, you know, birdying four of his last five holes and just knocking it stiff after. were stiff. It's like she had to be especially relative to the field as the entire field has fallen apart. Had to be one of the greatest

five, six whole stretches of his career. And today, what feels good about validating this if you're Scottie Shepler is like there were some questions. Like he plays really well at the Masters. He's won all these tournaments like, are you going to start knocking off some of these other majors? He's like, yes, I am. We'll start with here at Quail Hollow. You know that course that everyone says that Rory wins

over and over? Or that course that that your boy thought that Bryce and Deschambeau was going to demolish, I'm not just going to win that, I'm going to win that by five. And I'm also going to bogey 18, where I easily could have won by six. No one was even close to me. Remember a couple weeks ago when I won by like 10, and I absolutely blew up the field and you're like, well, you're playing nobody's.

How about we go to a major, best field in golf mini, say the PGA championship, and I beat the living piss at everyone in sight. And that's what he just did. And listen, I'm not going to compare anyone else. two Tiger Woods, but Scottie is a monster. I mean, he is, he is so freaking good at golf. It's stupid. And here's the thing. Over the last five years at majors, this guy is a bright lights player. Starting in 2021, he was T18, T8, T7, T8, and all the majors. Then he started winning in 22. He won the Masters, he missed the cut at the PGA, but then he finished second at the U.S.

Open T-21. And these last couple years, it's like, it's not even a fair fight. T10, T2, third, T23, first T8, T-41, T7, fourth, first, and he's going to be the heavy, heavy favorite at Oakmont. And his game, like, no one will ever be Tiger Woods. I've said it all the time. His name is unique, right? Just his story, his dad Earl, like the whole thing. I mean, started from a young age, the dominance.

But what this guy is doing right now, and I felt pretty confident about this, like is he going to win 15 majors like Tiger? Of course not. I think that would be crazy to even put out there. But is this guy more likely to win eight or nine than four or five? I would say yes. Because the only thing that could remotely slow him down was some glass shards in a hand.

Because when you watch him against Bryson, against Rom, against whoever, there's a clear gap. And Rory, who will get into in a minute, like, what the hell was that? Now, you could argue that Rory winning the Masters, playing with a little house money, not as much pressure on this tournament. I would tend to agree,

but when you're having one of the best seasons of your career, you've already won three times, you get the monkey off your back with the Masters. This is a course in which you've won at multiple times. You would think that he would show up, but he's nowhere to be found. Bryson is an incredible talent. I mean, to me, the craziest part about Bryson

is he is blowing it 30, 40 yards by Scotty, Sheffler. His short game is unreal. I mean, he had a couple flop shots today around the green as someone that had him to finish in the top five. Like, I was kind of on tilt. But he had a couple wedges around the green that were world class. And his putting is excellent. But to me, like, you watch Scotty Sheffler, I could give him a seven iron. And I could go, Scotty hit this 200 yards. He could hit it 200 yards. I'd say, Scotty, hit like a butter cut and hit it 158 yards. And he could hit it around that vicinity. Meanwhile, Bryce, 195 yards he's hitting nine iron like I'm not here to nitpick Bryson's operation it clearly works

and he's an elite player but like the gap between Scotty and Bryson when it just comes to hitting irons like I heard I was going to pick up dinner last night and I was listening to the no laying up they do like a reaction show after every major day and DJ Pi one of their guys was saying like it can't be easy to play when you're hitting a nine iron or 195 yards? What are you hitting a six iron one? Like what's the point of some of these longer clubs? It's not like you're hitting a five iron

290 yards. So your distances are all wacky. But like your wedges, like what are you doing from like 140, 150, 170? And a couple times a day you're watching Bryson, he's not even close. And that's where Scotty will eat you alive. Is like give him 160. That's where he's very, very comfortable with.

And you're watching Bryson, who honestly should have been right there. but his iron play is just kind of wacky. I mean, listen, I'm not one to say, like, he shouldn't be playing the same length irons. But like, whatever Scotty is able to do with, like, a seven iron, a nine iron in his hand, it feels like Bryson's playing like Kyle Berkshire on Instagram.

It's like, what are we doing here? And listen, John Rom, who to me is like a legit high-end player when he's on like today, melted at the end. But a lot like Scotty, like has a bunch of different shots in the bag. And at one point, point in time today, Scotty is just leaking oil, just your classic, playing like shit. He's just playing really bad.

Not because the moment's too big, not because he's overwhelmed, not because he never won a big tournament, not because there's pressure. He's just not on. Something was just off. And then you look up, he finishes the ninth hole, or basically he's on 10. He's 9 under. John Rom is also 9 under with a birdie putt on 12 from like 10 feet. John Rom misses his.

Scotty then birdie's 10. And then it flips. And then Scotty never looks back. And once Scottie got that little buffer, then Rob got toward whatever they call it, the green mile and just kind of imploded. And then it ended up like John Rom's not even on like the leaderboard you see on TV. And Bryson's right there. Now, Bryson technically wasn't that close. But there were a couple moments today.

And even yesterday, it's like, I don't really know what's going on. Like I get it. He's got these weird irons. But, you know, to me, Scotty's a much more. complete player for a guy that's not even hitting it. And I heard a couple people say, like, if you followed that group with Xander and Rory and Scotty on Thursday and Friday, that those guys are blowing it by Scotty like 20 yards, 25 yards.

And listen, if you play with another individual that's longer than you, that's not that weird, it is kind of weird when you look at Scotty. He's a big-ass dude. Zander's much smaller, and he hits it way farther than him. But like, when you're splitting fairways and then you're knocking it on greens and you're making putts, like it doesn't really matter. And that's the one thing with golf. Obviously, distance is very, very important. Bryson's kind of hacked the system. But you still got to get the ball in the hole.

And that to me is a skill that like, even when Scotty started to unravel today, I never thought like this is implosion coming. It never crossed my mind he was going to shoot 76. Now, I did think like if John Rom starts birdie in three or four holes, maybe they just both end up at like 10 or 11 under and we have a playoff. but the one thing that Scottie has in the back and I would say this is the similarity with Tiger and what Rory definitely does not have in common

it's hard to fathom him just if he has a shitty front nine him backing that up with a bad back nine in a tournament like this where when we watch Rory at the Masters you're like he could blow this like it didn't cross my mind that Scotty was going to blow it

now he opened the door and let someone in but you're like he's got a couple par fives He's like, you know, if this was football, he'll make some place. And what did he do? He made some place. And then obviously the course is difficult. You know, Rom had to get aggressive and he just kind of melted down. And Bryson, that's the thing with Bryson.

It's like he's been off, I thought, in the Masters and definitely this week with his iron play, with his approach game. But his wedges are, I mean, he had a couple, he had a flop shot today on 14, that driveable par four, where he hits it right of the bottom. bunker and it's way above on the mound. I can't even imagine how difficult that shot is. And he knocked it like three or four feet. And it's like, Bryson, you have incredible touch around the greens. You're obviously an elite putter now. And I think most would consider you, especially if Rory is going to drive the ball like he did this week, you're the best driver in the world. What is going on with this

iron situation? And listen, Scotty took advantage of it and he wins his third major. And all signs point to him now, Oakmont, which many consider like the hardest golf course in the world, especially when you factor in major conditions. And if I just tell you out loud, they're going to play the hardest golf course in the world. Who are you going to like? You would immediately say Scotty Sheffler. Now, I don't know if he's going to win the U.S. Open by five or six shots, but I think at this point in time, given the way he's played now in his last two events, and what he did over the course of the last two days, it would be stunning if he doesn't win this U.S. Open.

And if he wins the U.S. Open, listen, the British is weird, whether you never know. It does feel like he's so good that he will inevitably win one. You just kind of, with a guy, who knows, I do feel pretty confident at this point in time. Like, you see some of these guys, like, you know, Speese 1-4, Kepka's 1-5, Rory's 1-5. Like, it feels like Scottie's going to fly right by him.

And the only thing that can slow him down is an injury. Because he's got Ted Scott, who's Bubba Watson's old caddy. Their cohesion, it's like the equivalent of like Belichick and Brady. It's like they were just made for each other. It's perfect. And what a fucking clinic. And honestly, what he did on Saturday afternoon, if you tell me like,

what's been Scotty Sheffler's coolest, like, hour that you remember watching him play golf? It would be Saturday afternoon at Quail Hollow in the PGA champion. Now, he has, he's only 28 years old. He's got a lot of golf left. But like so far in his career and he, listen, he's won the masters multiple times. But it does feel like that stretch on Saturday afternoon was the equivalent of like a drag race. And he's in like a legit drag racing car and you're in like a pinto. And he flew by everybody. And it gave him that buffer today where when he is just all over the map, he starts with a bogey this week on one. He's hitting the ball over the place off the tee. You're like, God, what is going on here? It gave him a little breathing room. And to me, if he doesn't have that breathing room, if he, instead of shooting 65, he shoots 69,

and he only has a one-shot leader. He's tied, and all of a sudden he's three back. I think that pressure, it just would have been a different situation, right, given where he would have stood on the leaderboard. But he couldn't have been playing any shittier. Rahm had made multiple birdies, and we're tied. And he's ahead of me, so I still got the par fives. it was just a different mindset.

So I do believe, no matter what anyone says that this tournament was won on Saturday, but that's what Skada Sheffler does. When everyone else was not playing well because the course was playing outrageously hard, I mean, this is a place that a lot of times, like you watch Augusta, you're like, I understand it's hard, I would love to play there.

You watch Pinehurst. You're like, I want to play that golf course. Even last week, you're watching Philly Cricket Club. You're like, I would love to tee it up there. anytime they're playing overseas. You're like this St. Andrews, you name it, right? I would love to do this, as long as it's not too cold and too wet. This is one of those rare courses that they play in a big event where you go,

yeah, I got no interest. Does not look fun. I mean, does not look like an enjoyable round of golf. Too long, too much rough. The greens are way too hard. It just looks like miserable golf. And when I tell you, it's like miserably hard, difficult conditions. firm greens.

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we go back to Morikawa, whatever, a couple months ago. When he got in the spat with basically Rocco, Brandl, a bunch of older guys that said, like, listen, man, part of this sport were pros. This isn't the amateur hour. This isn't the minor leagues. This is the big leagues. And when you lose a tournament and you're a big time player and you meltdown,

part of it is facing the music. No different than LeBron James or Steph Curry or Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson or whoever. Cam Newton didn't jump on the fumble. Guess what? In 2016, what did he do after the Super Bowl? He spoke. It's part of the business. And this whole thing, this is entertainment. Where do you think the money comes from? We don't just make it up out of the sky. People are paying a ton of money, a lot of sponsors, the fans. This is all part of the business model. And Roy McElroy, like, I didn't know. Now, I'm not super into the weeds of like, wait, we, every Tuesday of a major, they test 50 guys for the, uh, whatever the exact terminology is of the driver.

And at first you read it, you're like, is this like a cork bat? And it's actually the opposite, the more worn down that your face becomes sometimes, I guess, the more explosive it can become off the club head. And they just randomly test 50 drivers. So some guys, like a TSA check, right? Scotty Sheffler could show up, don't test a thing. Or back-to-back weeks, they could test them. And they test Roy McElroy. As Zander said, they also tested Scotty.

And according to Zander, he failed as well. Change the club. Taylor made, whoever, they're all of these tournaments. So if you need to get access to anything, they're right there. They know exactly your specs. They work with you like no different than your agent or your manager. And you're watching Rory. And here's my issue.

And I give Brian Winhorst. credit on this because he's one of the only guys that covers the NBA that consistently talks about this because he compares the model to the NFL and he's like if we're going to be all in on gambling there has to be specific ways that we handle injuries and it's become very nefarious over the years that like wait till the last second to say a guy's out with rest or whatever where the NFL where there's still shady shit going on the injury report if you're going to gamble on a team like you have a pretty good idea this guy's missed Wednesday Thursday and Friday at practice you're not shocked when he can't play Sunday.

Or he's completely healthy and something pops up Friday. You're like, wait, this guy missed practice with Friday. It's like, yeah, felt a little something in his hamstring. So you just, you have some comprehension. It's for the gambling public and the competition gets to know. Yet in golf, they're all independent contractors. So they all can do whatever they want, which I understand is fine.

Yet they're all under the umbrella of this business model that is the PGA tour, that is professional golf. and Roy McElroy who gets in trouble for, not in trouble, but has to change out his driver, which I don't know is kind of a big story because he's the greatest driver in the history of the sport and he just won the fucking masters. And because of the setup, he doesn't have to say a word for four days, for four days. And this gets back to the Moricala thing. I don't owe you anything.

Yet no one actually owes anyone anything except people you're in business with. Then we all have deals with other people and then, no, you kind of do owe other people, other things. And now that, you know, the Arthur Blanks and the business people are trying to get involved with the PGA tour, they're already with TGL, this Saudi lib thing is eventually going to consolidate. There has to be some sort of rules. Because I totally understand last year when people are asking Roy McElroy about his divorce. I'm not talking about that. Totally understand.

And I think that is totally fair to him to like he doesn't have to say shit about that. Just like if you ask Mahomes or an NFL player or an NBA player about something in their personal life, they don't have to say a word. But when it came out

that the footballs were deflated, guess what? We want to hear from Belichick and Tom Brady. So when something happens with your driver, which is an on-the-course situation, especially his most potent club at a course which is really long, and then for those of us that are gambling on a guy like Rory, he's fucking all over

the map on Thursday. It's like, something's up, but doesn't cross my mind that he has a new driver. And then it comes out on Friday afternoon, yeah, he failed the test. And they had to give him a new driver. And then he just refuses to talk Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I don't know what else to say besides like, that's kind of a minor league operation. And these guys want to act like, this is the big leagues. This is, you know, we should play for more money than ever. Like the money, the money, the money, the money, the money. There's a reason the money, the money in the NFL, and there are rules. The coach has to talk X number of times every week, every single time after the game, same with the players, or else there are consequences. Like, this is not okay. This makes the sport

look, to me, like low level. You are the biggest star. Do you think Tiger Woods, in a million years over an equipment issue when you are the biggest star in the sport, which Rory currently is, you are just won the masters a month ago. And then you have a situation like this and you just refuse to say a word for four days.

I'm not even acting like it is that big a deal. I really don't care. But one, this is also a problem with the sport that wants to be taken legitimately. And as someone that gambles a lot of money on this, love my guys at Draft King, just one $4,500. Now, actually, I

I won 4,500, but I bet about four, so I won about 500. Sometimes it comes out like, yeah, my wrist has been bothering me on a Saturday or Sunday with a player. It's like, what? This is the whole problem with the complex and the setup of what's going on. They want to be the big leagues. They want to play for all this money, but no one wants to have an injury report. No one wants to have mandates of like, I don't know if you're a top 20 player and you're playing in a tournament. you have to speak after every round.

I don't know. It's just part of the business. Can you imagine if like, yeah, you know, Josh had a big situation. I don't know, with a football or with a teammate, and he just, for the entire month, he just wouldn't talk after any games. That not only would never happen,

it can't happen because he would start getting fined. And it would not be tolerated. Why? Because that's an unhealthy part of the business. You want that guy to speak. just expands the popularity and the attention that is on your sport. So I really think the Rory thing, there's no way around it, which again, it's up to him. Like there is no one above him.

There's no one above any of these guys. Like Moracowson, I can do whatever I want. I don't owe anyone anything. Even though there are people in business that are paying for all this shit, like you owe certain people, certain things. I don't know the people putting on this tournament, the people that will put on this tournament next year. This money doesn't just come from the sky. Comes from your partners. Comes from the operation.

And when a guy like Rory has a situation like this and makes a mockery over it, it kind of pisses me off. Because as someone that loves this sport, and I understand, like, it's a niche deal. Like, you know, on good days, three or four million people watch on a Saturday or Sunday. But like, it's the only sport where guys 50, 60, 70, 80 years old are playing all over America. it's never seen a greater run of growth over the last three or four years

and you have more eyeballs on this operation than ever and then your biggest name has an issue which honestly can be good it just creates a conversation and refuse to comment on it you didn't just get caught fucking doing steroids Rory you didn't just get caught with a bag of drugs your driver didn't pass some test most people including myself don't even quite understand what that even means. We don't even care. I just want to hear your opinion on it. Are you mad? You think it's

BS? What's your thoughts on the situation? That adds to the conversation. And Scottie Sheffler last year got arrested. Let me repeat, got arrested on Friday morning. Somehow pulled off because of a rain delay, still was able to play. Played. After that round, it would have been easy for him. Like, listen, a lot going on. I don't want to speak. I'm leaving. I know I'm the number one player in the world. Today was fucking crazy. I just want to get home, have a sandwich, and put my feet up, and take a deep breath with my family. He spoke. And then he spoke the next day and the next day. Why? Because it's called being a pro. And I think Rory, for a guy that gets a lot of credit of like everyone likes him. He's super nice and he seems like a good guy. Like, this is now like last year,

Bryce and Deschambeau just fire out of there. Like Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson aren't able to just leave after Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid beat him again. Guess what? They have to talk. I mean, I'd say the NFL. Whatever the NFL is doing when it comes to media stuff, this sport should follow. And Rory McElroy, who is basically like an NFL quarterback relative to golf, like just avoiding it all week in the middle of like a controversial situation

is just a joke. I mean, there's really no other way to like dance around this topic. of like, and I'm someone who likes the guy. I enjoy watching them play, but I think this is a pretty low-level moment for the guy. And of course, during that moment, you got Bryson D. Chambot, who's waiting after to hug Scotty.

And you could go, oh, he's just doing that for the cameras, whatever. He's done that now multiple times. So it's like, you can think Bryson's douchey, you can think he was a weirdo a couple years ago. At least he'll answer the music. Like, at least he won't run away from whatever's going on. I mean, this is a guy that had issues with Brooks.

I mean, you got Brooks, you got a heckler screaming at Kepka that guaranteed money will basically ruin your game. And then Kepka turning around screaming at them. And then Kepka getting seen most relatable picture in recent memory. It looked like at like a 7-Eleven. I guess where are they? They're in Charlotte. So not sure.

I've never been to that area. What their go-to, like, gas station, kind of mini-marts are, CVS, something like that. Just get in a case of. Miller Light and just going to go drink his face off after a pretty embarrassing couple days. And listen, he's a guy that probably could not talk. It doesn't feel like talking. But I would say this.

Oftentimes, he might give shitty answers. At least he'll sit there in front of the cameras. So I just think, like, you can't be this big of a player right there with ROM, obviously Scotty and Bryson, and just go MIA from the cameras. Like, I just don't understand where he thinks his money. I never understand these like, it's not about like, I don't owe some scribe anything. It's, no one's reading these newspapers. No one beside other media members are reading most of these articles. It's not about that.

Honestly, it's about these quotes being distributed on social media so people that follow the sport can see them. Or the clips of you talking. Why? Because that's how what generates attention. We're all in the attention business. And Scotty, he's not the most interesting. guy, but he draws your attention by being elite at golf. Bryson has a lot of different elements, right? His YouTube brings the attention. His game brings the attention. Rory is an attention bringer.

There's a lot of, you know, things that kind of move the needle, whether it's his play, whether it's some of his comments. But now we have a history now multiple times when the fucking flame gets turned up and it gets a little hotter. Tiger's been in a million of these situations. What does every old person say about Tiger. He never didn't face the music. He never didn't talk. Win, lose or draw. Now, he won a lot more than he lost. But he had a lot of crazy shit

going on in his career. And if he's around, now, if you didn't play in the tournament, whatever. But if you're there, and you are the star player, I'm sorry, you have to speak over, like, what happened to your best club? Why was it taken out of your

bag? Did you use it in the Masters? Did you know anything was off? Was this something like, was it a surprise to you? And if you want to storm off after like, I don't know what's going on and just leave, okay, but to just avoid it for four straight days, just a, just a low level moment for the guy. It really is. Someone that just had the greatest moment of his life. Just had a moment where 10 plus million people watched him win the masters and everyone was just, was thrilled. I mean, it was an exhilarating athletic performance. And then this happens. It's just, God damn.

Last but not least, before we dive into some of your questions, one thing that we have seen is you would have to be on drugs to bet against anyone that isn't a big dog in these majors. Like the day and age, not that it won't

ever happen again, but I think it clearly feels, maybe it's the pressure some of these signature events, the separation would live, You know, money's all relative, but clearly there's never been more money on the line. I could never put any money on a random guy winning any of these tournaments. Honestly, even like a 30, 40, 50 to 1, I consider a long shot. When you look at the last six majors, Scotty, Zander, Bryson, Zander, Rory, Scottie. Who do you think is going to win the U.S. Open?

Scotty or Bryson? Maybe if Roy can get his driver out of his ass. Rory? Like the days of just like some random Brian Harmon. Now, it could still happen at the British. That's a bad example. But some of these guys, the U.S. Open, I mean, distance now, these guys are hitting it so far.

Scottie's not missing fairways for the most part. And then he's so much better at irons than you. Like, you don't have a shot. I do think the cream is really separated. And now, if you want to take some guys to top 10, top 20, but my gambling philosophy, I sprinkled on all three top guys, Bryson, Rory, and Scotty.

Now, I was much more bullish coming into this weekend on Rory and Bryson, but it was clear after Friday, it's like, well, Scotty's going to be a major factor here. And he was the betting favorite going into the weekend. But I just think you bet the big dogs, you know. I mean, shit, you look at Bryson, you know, he won Pinehurst, though I think the Pinehurst, Oakmont, aren't really going to parallel each other.

you can spray it a little bit at Pinehurst. I don't know if you're going to be able to do that at Oakmont watching some of these YouTube golfers that played there a couple weeks ago. But moving forward, I mean, it does feel like it's just the big dogs and everyone else. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news.

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yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it.

Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast

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The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis. And I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs. And on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on Clay. Jen she went. I mean, she went down to three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me.

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I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's dive into some of your questions really quick before we get out of here. Why doesn't the PGA Tour develop or buy their own courses? I know it's a lot more work for them short term, but I feel like it would pay off down the line. They could develop a number of courses more fit for major events. Well, there's only so much land in America that hasn't already been bought or, used, right?

So there's a lot of premium land in certain areas probably have like housing developments. And then the golf course that already exist that are cool, that are quote unquote, private clubs or established golf courses are not going to sell to the PGA tour. Now the PGA tour does own golf courses. I play at one.

TBC Scottsdale, they have an event. TBC Codgrass, they have the players. TBC, there's one in Vegas. I think Summerland. I've heard it's really nice. They have one in Texas, where they have, I think, the Valero. They're having, is a TBC Frisco in a year?

So they do own a lot of golf courses that they profit off of. Now, major venues, there are only so many courses in America that you feel comfortable hosting a major at, right? Masters has that taken. But when you look at the PGA and you look at the U.S. Open, you know, there are some courses, that are always going to be on the on the rotation the pjah tour can never buy pebble beach or

olympic club right quail hollow isn't for sale uh i'm trying to think of some other courses oakmont i mean that's a that's a that's a private course in pittsburg like they're not selling that thing wingfoot it's a public course owned by i would imagine the city in new york it's not available for purchase so i i hear what you're saying uh i i think it's probably a little more complicated than uh the execution to pull that off. Question for the bag. Can you share any insight into Vegas giant MLB logo across his chest? I can't imagine another major sport that allows sponsorship logos on jerseys being okay

with the promotion of another sport. Uh, I, I, I, no, I mean, I, I don't even know what to say. I have never really thought about it that way. Uh, I don't think if, you're golf, you really care if guy has an NFL or major league logo on you. I'm not quite sure. I think he's Venezuelan. So maybe there is some carryover of an international guy. Someone said that Payne Stewart used

to have something similar, maybe like the NFL. He was a big, I think, Steeler fan. But I don't think golf cares at all. Like, I don't think they view major league baseball as like competition. I don't think baseball views it that way either. I think it's more where he comes. from promoting to that region for baseball would be my guess. I'm sure there are articles out there. Maybe I'll Google that tonight. How would you rank the states, the states in terms of golf?

Have you ever heard of cross-water golf course in Bend, Oregon, or circling Raven in northern Idaho? No, I haven't. I haven't played golf in that many states. I've never played golf in Florida. I've never played golf in, any, you know, Charlotte area, which I think is viewed really highly. The majority of my golf is California, now Arizona.

I've played band and dunes in Oregon, and that I've played in the Philadelphia, Jersey area. So in my experience, I mean, California is pretty special. It has some of the best and most important courses in the sport, right? I would say Pebble Beach, while not the best course, is got to be on the short list. Like, if you go, what's the most iconic golf courses in the world? I think Augusta and St. Andrews in some order are one and two. And I think every single human, casual or not casual, Pebble's getting listed pretty quickly. You know, Olympic clubs, a legendary U.S. Open course.

Torrey Pines is a unique public course that has hosted just tournaments for a long, long time. I mean, RIV has one of the best tournaments on the PGA tour, countless other courses in L.A., especially private ones from LACC to Beverly Hills Country Club, to, you know, the Monterey area beside Pebble. You have Monterey Peninsula Country Club. You got Cyprus. You just got awesome courses in the Bay Area, San Francisco Country Club, Cal Club. So I would say it would be hard to beat California. I think most people would say that either Jersey or Pennsylvania It's a pretty beautiful area for golf

I've always wanted to get down to Florida I mean just they're just obviously you got from sawgrass I think they played Seminole a couple years ago To the you know Jordan's club to the bear I mean a lot of these are country clubs but How do you think players feel about threesomes they are put into on Thursday and Friday? Didn't know where you're going with that at first. They always seem to load up groups with big stars,

which is obviously good for viewership. Take Rory, Zander, and Scotty at the PGA this week. Do you think they want to be with top contending guys to motivate them? Or would they rather not be distracted? I would guess if you could ask a guy like Zander or Scotty or Rory. It doesn't necessarily, like, because Rory and Scotty and Bryson are such big draws. They could be playing with me and you, and the crowd is going to be massive,

I think the key is for people playing well. If you are playing with other guys on Thursday and Friday that are playing well, like anyone that's ever played golf, if you're having a good day and you're playing with other guys that are playing well, it's easier to keep that momentum going.

Just like if you're playing shitty and everyone around you playing shitty, it just kind of goes that way. I wonder to, at this point in time, a lot of these guys are numb. Like, do they really see the fans? I bet most of them barely even notice. You know,

or me and you, if we were teen off for a hundred people, we'd be nervous. I just don't think these guys really like that anymore. So my guess would be, when you're a big name, you're used to just playing with big name people. So you just kind of, it's just part of the deal. On the chance you record a go low,

where do you think the top guys in Liv stand with their contracts? For guys like Bryson, Neiman, and others, who still have their competitive career in front of them, Do you think they go back to the tour? For someone like Bryson, do you think he'd be willing to skip PGA tour events for sake of having a time to YouTube in the future? It's clear no one cares about Liv.

And I can't imagine a merger happening with Liv draining so much money, which is now a public story. Bad look. Does the PGA Tour sit back, relax, and let all roads lead back to them? That kind of feels like what's happening currently. is that we are just in a game of waiting them out. And I think it's clear, if you had a draft pick of you could have one guy off live,

it wouldn't, PJ Tour wouldn't even hesitate. You would take Bryson D. Chambot. It's a no-brainer pick. I think with John Rom showing signs of life, again, John Rom is not that old. So the thing is, though, he just signed last year. So this is his second year, he's 30 years old. but he's a guy he's already won a couple majors

like I think you would like him and Bryson back I mean those are huge talents you know DJ's done I feel like and I don't even blame DJ it doesn't feel like he cares I'm not gonna write this guy off

completely because he's proven us wrong before but I would say the best golf of Kepka's career is behind him though I think he's a good example I do think he could get his mojo back just coming back to the PGA tour and playing with those guys I bet it's really, really difficult for him.

I mean, he's always been a bright light guy, and now he's playing in tournaments that truly don't matter at all. It's just completely irrelevant. You know, I think Neiman, I think all these guys are going to end up playing with each other again. I don't know how, I have no clue how this whole thing is going to work, but I do think Liv is coming down the home stretch.

And I do think the PGA tour with Tiger, he was just the White House. You know, now he's banging Trump. Trump's Donald Jr.'s ex-wife. I think Liv's done. I think Liv is in... I don't know exactly the details, but I know he's been over there with the Saudis.

It wouldn't shock me at all if you just get like, Liv's just dead, you know? And everyone on the Liv, go back to the PGA tour. Just curious on some bucket list courses you would love to play. It can be private or public, but don't include the cliche,

Cyprus, Pine Valley, Augusta. I would love to play golf in the South. Any of the courses in Florida, you know, TPC's saw grass, obviously, that's probably a little cliche. But any cool courses in Florida, I'm down.

The Myrtle Beach stretch, like where they play, where J.T. just won at Harbor Town. Like, I would love to play golf there. I would love to just play golf in the South. I've never played down there. I never played down there. I never have a bad time.

If you invite me or I have the opportunity to play a nice country club, whether it's famous or not, I, that's a bucket list moment to say I played Club X. I always think that's really, really cool. So, like, I've been invited to play, you know, different courses around here, like Mesa Country Club, Phoenix Country Club, Arizona Country Club. And I, like, really generally have a great time, whether I shoot 77, or 88, just like, this is cool. Like, it's a, it's a big deal to me.

I really enjoy playing different courses. So, yeah, I mean, I, my bucket list is to play anywhere cool. I do not discriminate when it comes to golf. If you tell me it's, it's the sun's out, it's good weather, and it's ideally, you know, like a Thursday, Friday, Saturday, so I don't have as much on my plate, not football season. So I can just enjoy life. We're having a few transfusions. I'm game.

I'm not a golf snob in the sense of like, obviously I wouldn't turn down Augusta, but if like you have, like my brother's at like a working class country club that costs $5,000 to join. And whenever I play there with him, his buddies and my buddies, like it's, I have a fucking blast.

What is the best stretch of golfers had in recent memory? Has anyone ever won all four majors in one year? Scotty's 24 has to be up there. I think it would probably be Jordan's like 15 and 16. You know, I think Jordan Speeth, uh, I think Speeth won multiple majors in a year and then won the Masters.

So, Speeth, it would probably be this little stretch. In 2015, Speeth won the Masters. He won the U.S. Open. He finished fourth at the Open, and he finished second at the PGA. And then the next year,

he probably should have won the Masters and he imploded. and he finished second. Then he won the open a couple of, and then a year later. So I would say like that 15, the 15 to the Masters in 2016 stretch for Jordan. It's probably the best start to finish

when you win multiple majors. I do feel like Scottie's going to win one more major this year. And then Rory could win, you know, I think the British opens in his hometown. So he's going to be a heavy favorite for that. A big fan. My buddies and I are, looking into a golf trip.

We have done Tahoe, Scottsdale, and this other course in Florida. We are talking about Pinehurst or Bannon Dunes. What would you, what would be some of the top places you would recommend for a golf trip? I've been to Bandon Dunes. This was in 2018,

so Sheep Ranch didn't exist. And we played Bandon Trails. We played Bandon Dunes. And we played, played old McDonald. So we, we missed on one of them. I thought it was incredible. I just haven't been back for whatever reason, but I would go back in a heartbeat. At the member guest I was at two weeks ago, actually a guy, Zekis that we had played with probably a month before that, who was a swimmer at Notre Dame, he was a good guy. We were bullshitting over over a beer,

and he was saying that he had just played, I was in the line to get a beer, and he was walking by and he was saying how he just got back from Piner's. And he was there for like a week. And they played every course. They played like six of the Piner's courses and Tobacco Road. And he just said it was awesome. So like I've never talked to any human being that's been to ban on dunes and didn't rave about it. Now the wind can get pretty outrageous.

The afternoon when we played was was a little much. But I would say I think one of those two would be a no brain. The one thing I heard about Pinehurst is you got to be like a year ahead. You can't just do it like a month out. So it can be difficult to get times. But I would highly recommend Bannon Dunes. As a Ping collector, I'm curious with living in Scottsdale, relatively close to Phoenix, is Ping a more popular brand there than other manufacturers?

Also, how highly do you regard Ping? It's tough to say because you, you just kind of based on who you're playing with. PXG is also here. And I play with some guys that are fully set it in PXG. So I feel like PXG has a pretty big presence here. More than PING. Now, I don't really pay it.

I feel like most people have like tailor maids or titleless. So it doesn't feel like Pings any bigger here than it would be when I lived in northern California. Or if you live in Texas. If you go to a golf course, I think they're going to be the minority of people with clubs. And my guess would be that the Callaway and Taylor Made are going to have a pretty big stranglehold with most people. It'll be my guess.

But I guess to answer your question, I don't notice ping more than, more than I have other places, just because they're here. Okay, first off, how about the thunder? Got a nice little win today. Beat the shit out of the nuggets.

If there's one thing I took away from the PJ Championship, it's how much it sucks that we don't get Bryson, Scotty, Rom, Rory, etc., battle it out more than four times a year. In an alternate universe, I wonder how many less wins Scotty would have had last year. I'm a big Scotty guy, and he's winning

as I type this, but for that sake of discussion. Yeah, maybe one or two. I think clearly when he's been on, he dominates. Now, as you see, like if, they're playing an easier course, could Rom or Bryson win for sure. But I don't think Liv really diminishes him as much as it would if these guys... Like, if it wasn't for Bryson, you know, Scott, he's beaten Zander. He's won two of the last four majors, and he's beaten Rory who won the Masters.

So it's... And honestly, besides Bryson, how many of these live guys... You know, ROM coming to play today. It's not like these live guys. There's like three of them every week in these, or I mean, in the majors that you got to worry about. It's really just been Bryson. And for the first time in a while, Rom.

So, like, thank God for Bryson in terms of Liv's credibility with these big tournaments because he's fucking carrying them. I mean, Kepka's drinking Miller lights. DJ's fishing, run around Paulina. Phil's just old and not good anymore and you know, Joaquin Neiman, cute little story, solid little player, I mean, has no chance.

Hatton's screaming F bombs at his club. I mean, it's really just Bryson. So I don't know. I don't think it would impact it much. But ultimately, hopefully his conversation can just die sooner and later. We can get everyone back together. and we can just play some real golf.

But we'll end on that. Congratulations, Scottie. Wins his third major. And it's just on the top of the world. As I saw on Twitter, from jail to quail. That would have been an incredible call by Jim Nance. From jail to quail.

Scotty Sheffler is the PGA champion of 2025. Have a good day. Talk to you soon. See you. See you. The volume. It's us, the Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas.

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