The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Go Low - Rory McIlroy gets Masters monkey off his back, completes the Grand Slam

Episode Date: April 14, 2025

John Middlekauff offers up his instant reaction to Rory McIlroy finally winning the Masters and completing the career Grand Slam. John discusses what's next for Rory, and how many more majors can he win? John also offers his takes on the play of runner-up Justin Rose, Bryson DeChambeau, Ludvig Åberg and last year's Masters winner, Scottie Scheffler. Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And we're going to do a little go-low podcast because Roy McElroy just won the Freakins. He completes the Grand Slam, wins at Augusta in Capital. captivating, just fast, I mean, I don't even know what to say. I don't even have enough adjectives in the vocabulary to describe what just went down Sunday afternoon. What a roller coaster ride of a golf tournament and a golf round by the young man, the young lad from across the pond. But Rory McElroy gets it done, so we will dive into everything that we just witnessed. This will be a heavy, go-low, Roy McElroy Master's podcast. I went on with Colin as well after the Masters.

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Last-minute tickets, lowest prices guaranteed. You know, it's funny, you walk into the office getting ready to sling some takes about the masters. You've had your notebook out there for hours. And you're just thinking, like, what can you even possibly say about what we just witnessed? Like most people, if you're watching this, you were probably glued for the roller coaster that was Rory McElroy. And it kind of hit me. I don't think any round has, I would say, been like a metaphor or symbolized. McElroy's career starts the first hole.

Double bogey. He's tied for the lead with Bryson. All of a sudden, second hole, he's losing. You're like, what is going on? Yesterday, he started Bertie Eagle. Bertie. So it was like, he started in a blink of an eye, he's five under or four under. Today, he goes, how is this happening?

And then a couple holes go by, and all of a sudden he's turning into hole 10, and he's got a four-shot lead. And the greatness was on full display. The Greg Norman elements to his career were on full display. But unlike Tiger Woods, who, when he got a lead in a major, he just suffocated you like an Anaconda, unlike some of the legendary players that couldn't get it done, they just unravel.

and the train falls off the tracks and it's just a dumpster fire for a couple hours and you feel bad and in those situations usually the television you know Jim Nance or whoever even some of the other like British Open you don't even show the guy once you get to like hold 10 11 12 today it was just like

what is going to happen and you thought countless times he's going to win the masters he's going to run away with the masters and then you thought multiple times he's going to lose the masters he hit one of the worst shots you will ever see in your entire life on hole 13 when he dumps it into the drink and all of a sudden you're like this is really about to go down he had a four shot lead about 15 minutes before that all of a sudden he dumps it in the drink he double bogies Justin Rose buries a birdie putt on 16 and they're tied you're just like is this is this real life is this really going on

and then on 15 he hits an even better shot than he's he hit yesterday, which I would say most people that are close to golf or fall of the sport, say it's probably the best shot and most important shot he's ever hit yesterday when he hit the six iron into 15. Today he even hits a more improbable shot because he has to hook it around the trees with a seven iron and he knocks it like five feet and you're like, oh my God. Like we said, the total implosion on 13 to that shot on 15, it's the ultimate Rory McElroy experience. He's got, let's face it, he's got a little. Phil Mickelson to him. You never quite know what's going to happen.

Jordan Speeth, I would say he definitely has that in him, but he's no longer that good. Rory is still, I'd say, right now in 2025, the best player in the world. I mean, this is a third win of the year. No one's playing better. And for the most part, I mean, he had some crazy holes today. He was easily the best player in the tournament. You know, Rose actually, today, threw his hat in the ring after a rough day yesterday. But he hits that ball in 15. You're like, he's going to knock this in for Eagle. All he's got to do his part. out and everything's good. And then the putts not even close. And as Eminem said, he got out of his stance before the ball even rolled like two

rotations. You're like, Rory and tap in Bertie, but it felt like a letdown. And then he misses on 16, 17 actually, incredible birdie. So he goes, Bertie on 15, par 16, and 17, you know, sometimes some of these shot tracers, I think mess with us because these guys are hitting the ball so far. And sometimes you see the shot trace. You're like, oh, that's in the trees. And it's perfectly in the fairway, like on 17 with Rory. And then he knocks it pretty tight, taps in his birdie.

And you're like, okay, par, and he wins the masters. And then he splits the fairway on 18. You're like, this is going to be easy. Dumps it in the bunker again. The most Rory moment of all time. Can't get up and down. And we're going to a playoff. I got to be honest with you.

I didn't have much faith he was going to win the playoff. I honestly, I thought he was going to lose. Maybe not on the first hole, because if they would have tied after 18, they would have gone to 10. But I just felt like I didn't have any confidence. Now, I didn't have, I technically had money on him,

but I parlayed him with Colin Morikawa, but I did not believe he was going to win. After what happened on 18, again, it's not Norman or Speith or even Rory back in the day when he imploded here, because that is just an absolute train off the track, shoot 80.

It's like, what are you going to do? Or dump multiple balls in the water, end up losing by several shots. I think Jordan was 7 under. I saw the screenshot today, and Danny Willett was 2 under when Jordan was going to hold 10. So we had a five-shot lead going to the back nine, and then it was just, I mean, a joke. This was every time that he would do something incredibly stupid,

he would immediately totally redeem himself and hit like two of the best shots you've ever seen and like tap in Bertie. But once 18 happened, I'm like, I don't know how any human being, with the emotions of what's on the line for this player, of the pressure that's on his back for this player to win this tournament, could go through everything he just did for 18 holes. Miss that putt on 18 and then beat a guy who is just flaming hot.

I mean, Justin Rose shoots 66 today. Barry's like a 30-footer on 18, goes nuts with the crowd, has, you know, for a guy that's more than likely never going to win this tournament, he has been an incredible master's player. After he had the lead on Thursday, I saw the stat floating around. He's led this tournament after Thursday five different times. He's going to be runner up in this tournament. He's got to be the first guy in master's history to be runner up twice and play in multiple playoffs.

So you're just like, I don't know, man. And then Justin Rose hits the fair way on the playoff. hole. I don't think Rory. And listen, none of us normal mortals in golf, whether you're a five handicap or 20 handicap, you're just putting yourself in Rory's

shoes. After Rose splits the fairway on the Masters, it just feels like you blew it, you're like, how could you possibly keep your heart rate down right now? And I've seen Rory talk about this. He really works on it. I'm awful at this. And sometimes when it crosses my mind, I don't even think this would help. But he's big on like

keeping your mouse shut, you know, and breathe through your nose and it slows the heart rate. And I was looking at him, I'm like, I can't even imagine the mind games he's playing with himself right now to calm his emotions because if he gets a little quick, snaps it. You know, he's playing that cut, which he's done all week long on 18 and been awesome.

And sometimes he hits the ball so far that what I said about the shot tracer, you think it's going in the trees. It's not even close to the trees. But I'm like he's aiming kind of toward, you know, the left side of the bunker. He's trying to play that power cut, probably 320, 3.30 up the hill. And you're like, this could get squarely in multiple ways.

He could duck hook it into the trees, which any human being that's ever set up for a cut has experienced, or which he had done earlier in the day. And honestly, he had done on 17 with the three wood, but luckily it didn't go far enough. That what if he just overcuts it? And he just loses the masters right here. And I just was like,

would this be the worst thing I've ever seen? because you just find yourself as a human being rooting for this guy, everything that you just witnessed. You know, he's obviously, there's never going to be another Tiger Woods again. When Tiger got the lead, there really wasn't that much drama to it.

You just got to watch this guy who was like a robot machine killer, and it was just a thrill ride. And because he's, you know, he didn't move the needle, he was the needle, you stayed glued. But I do think that whatever we, witness today, and I'm, you know, if this was 1992 and Sports Illustrated was still around,

there would be some incredible articles being written about them. Now the written word's kind of dead, so it's all going to be us YouTubers and podcasts. But I just, that was an experience unlike I've ever had watching golf. And obviously the buildup when you haven't won a major in a decade, the hype coming in on him. I think I talked about it last week. I didn't pull the trigger when it came to betting on Roy McElroy. Not because I didn't think he could win. Hell, I've been saying forever, it's like, guys, he's going to win multiple more majors. Don't get fooled by what happened at the Open when Cam Smith won it.

Or what happened at LACC when Wyndham Clark won it. And he just couldn't make a put in either one of those events. Or what happened last year at the U.S. Open, which I would say was way more devastating relative than the other two. He's just too good. And then he goes this year, he wins at Pebble, he wins the players. You're like, this guy's fucking playing unbelievable. And then he's cruising on Thursday. He's four under.

And then all of a sudden he doubles two of the last three holes. And you're like, this is a disaster. Then he comes to the next day and shoots 66. Then he shoots the 66 again on Saturday. You're like, this is insane. But this is the Roy McElroy experience. Honestly, it's a little unlike Phil. And we thought, and I thought coming into today that, you know, forever,

most of like my, I would say, junior high to, you know, 10 years ago for like a 20 year span. It was like, we need Tiger and Phil. Tiger and Phil, Tiger and Phil. But golf is not like football. Where if your two teams are really good and you're in the same conference, Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes play each other every single season. Every single season, the regular season,

they're going to play each other. And it just works out when you're on two of the best teams. You end up playing each other all the time in the playoffs. What, they've played four of the last five years? Same thing with Brady and Manning. It's like they're in the same conference, they're both winning their division. They're going to automatically play each other every single year.

And then they end up playing each other in the playoffs. I don't know off the top of my head, I would guess seven, eight times. And obviously it took a long time from Manning to get over. But it's all we wanted, Tiger and Phil. No one ever thought Phil was better than Tiger. But could we get a couple duels in a PJ championship, in a U.S. Open, at the Masters. I mean, a place where Tiger has five and Phil has three. And it just never happened.

It just never happened. You know why? Because it's not two teams playing each other. Really, you're playing in the Masters, one guy versus 95 players, or the U.S. Open, or the PGA championships, one guy versus 150. So the statistical likelihood, and I'm no math major, just doesn't work out that often. And now we get this epic moment last year with Bryson and Rory. And then we get it again.

They're in the final group on Sunday. And you're like, this is everything I always wanted. And again, Bryson is going to go down as an all-time player, right? He's going to win more majors as well. But this isn't Tiger Phil. But this is still pretty cool. I'm like, this is the modern day. We're getting a rivalry.

It's happened twice. Two of the last three majors, these two guys have gone out. And Bryson, after a couple holes, he had nothing. I mean, his iron game, it is remarkable that he even hung around this tournament. Any human being that's ever had the duck hooks. Now, I wouldn't call his the duck hooks, but just like a rope, draw hook. Not quite a hook, not quite a draw somewhere in the middle. It's not a controllable thing.

And when you hit the ball is hard and as far as Bryson, his iron's like, you can't control it, especially at Augusta. It was like, yesterday he held it together. by his short game. Today he had no chance. I mean, hell, I mean, he hits the ball in the water on 11. He just hit the ball again in the water on 15. He just couldn't control his irons. And when he can't control your irons, you got no shot. So then Justin Rose and Ludwig. And yeah, man, I do believe that what we just witnessed, I don't think we've ever seen anything quite like it. And I do think that Rory now is in this world where he has the career grand slam. He's on the short list of players. He's the

guy since Tiger to accomplish that. You know, the only guy in quote unquote his generation with as many majors is Brooks. But when you look at the two resumes, the totality of the two players, they're not comparable. I mean, Rory's in a different stratosphere

than Brooks. And I think if we were all betting on it, and I'm not taking shot at Brooks. I mean, Brooks's an incredible major player. But he's won two majors, right? He's won three PGAs and two U.S. opens. Roy's got him all. And Rory's like peaking him. He's playing the best golf of his life. I know.

Rory won four majors when he was young. He's a dramatically better player in 2025. And now that he gets this off his back, I think the sky is the limit. Now, I'm hesitant to go like, he's going to win 10 majors now. But you'd be insane to think that he's not going to win a couple more. I'd put the over under probably at like he's got five now,

probably seven and a half. I feel pretty confident he's going to rattle off a couple more. Now, would I get into like eight or nine? That feels pretty strong. but I think now he's chasing and I can't speak to Jack and Trevino and Arny and the Ben Hogan's and all those guys

you know you can rank them however you want it's like if you're coming at me with Jim Brown and Babe Ruth like I never saw these guys play we can YouTube it all you want I say it all the time when you were arguing someone as a player when you've watched them in the prime of their career

you have a much better argument and a much better leg to stand on than you do when you're just like shitting on a guy or propping a guy up based on just numbers not having experienced them. I feel very confident talking to someone about Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, Steph Curry, Tiger Woods, whoever, I'm not going to be as confident like breaking down Joe Montana and Larry Bird and Jack Nicholas. We can Google them all we want, but if you don't live through their era, it's hard to feel as comfortable. And I live through the Tiger and Phil era.

and those, you know, obviously Tiger, I think, for me, greatest player ever. Now, he's never going to have as many majors as Jack, but that's beside the point. Of the last, of the internet era, Tigers in a world by himself. I would say the number two player of that era is also in a world by himself, by himself, it's Phil Mickelson. Then there's an argument of a group of like six or seven guys, and Rory was always a part of that argument. Rory, Jordan Spee, Brooks Kepka, Ernie Ells, a bunch of guys, right? And now I think Rory is in hot pursuit of Phil Mickelson.

He is one major away from tying him. He's basically 20 years younger. Phil is 45 career victories. Now, the one thing Phil has, which is a remarkable statistic, he has finished second in 12 majors. That's pretty nuts. Rory's finished fourth or four times second in majors. So Phil's major record finishing second is pretty,

like eye opening. And obviously he's never won a U.S. Open so he doesn't have a career grand slam, but he's finished second in that tournament, I think, six times, which like to me adds to the lore. Because this is not football where you either win or lose the Super Bowl or you win or lose the AFC championship game. It's like Josh Allen can't beat Patrick Holmes. That's a fact. Like Phil Mickelson, like he beat basically everyone else in the tournament constantly. He just couldn't beat the one guy. And famously, I think at Wingfoot when he pumps it, O.B. on 18. I mean, he had some pretty memorable moments. But like, that is who now Rory is inside of.

And in the prime of his career, keep rattling off wins. I think today was his 29th win. So he's 16 wins behind him and one major behind him. So if he can maintain assuming that he stays healthy and assuming now that he has the same level of drive, which, you know, it's weird. The last three or four years, he's had this thing to be chasing. Right?

and it just kept motivating him. And you just wonder now, just human psychology, like, is this guy just going to be Tiger moving forward and maintain, like, in three days, be out there banging balls and working out and nothing changes what maintained this level of play? And we've seen it with the Chiefs. Like Patrick Boholmes has not taken the foot off the pedal at all rattling off Super Bowls. Well, Rory has had this huge gap of not winning anything in his mind

that mattered the most given it's the majors. and chased it and chased it and chased it and that heartache and heartache and heartache finally accomplishes it. It's like those leadership gurus talk about it. Like you bang the rock, you bang the rock and it might take you a year. It might take you 10 years. It might take you 100 years. Finally on that million swing, the rock cracks. But it's not actually the million swing that cracks the rock. It's all the accumulation of the swings. And that's where all these athletes or anyone that's successful talk about. It's over and over and over. It's about, you know, the process. And listen, I say it all the time.

People want to know about Nick Saban's process. People want to know about Jeff Bezos's process. No one gives a shit about the average guy's process. So part of like making quote unquote the process meaningful, you've got to be really, really successful. And now there's no arguing or disputing Roy McElroy. And this, I don't want to say he's icing on the cake, but it feels like that a little bit.

And that to me is where I go, I would be a little unsure what to look for moving forward. Because if that does feel like that, is like the rest of this year a wash, right? Is the rest of this year? Now listen, he would much rather like, it's not like if he had lost this tournament to Justin Rose, would that lit a fire under his ass

and had him just keep grinding and grinding and grinding and maintain this high level of play. You would choose winning this tournament and then just figure it out moving forward. But Quail Hollow is hosting the PJ Championship here in a month. I'm pretty sure he's won there a bunch of times. And more than likely now with Scotty Sheffler, who actually kind of came on at the end,

going to be the betting favorite. So I think the question mark is like, are we getting the same Rory the rest of the year? Because if we are, he could win another major. Hell, he could win a couple. Like last year, when Zander won the PGA championship, he clearly no foot off the pedal. Kept it down.

A couple months later, wins the open. All of a sudden, he's got two majors. And I don't think how, see how anyone who watches golf could go, well, if Rory just maintains whatever he's doing, I'd argue he'd be the favorite, definitely the PGA. and the U.S. Open. And hell, the open at Royal Port Rush,

some might call that a home game, going to be pretty advantageous for him. So I would say at this point in time, assuming that pedal to the metal and nothing changes from what he's been doing, I'll give him the week off this upcoming week. But, like, would it feel like,

you know, like he didn't accomplish what he should have if he doesn't win another major this year? year because he's been so close these last couple years. Now he gets this office back. Does he win a major this upcoming year by four or five? Because I do look at him a little differently in these other tournaments now than I would previously where clearly the pressure got to him. All you have to do is watch 13 today. All you have to do is watch 18. I don't understand if you're Rory McElroy, how you don't just hit that ball to the middle of the green.

And listen, I've never been in that situation. Just like anyone listening or watching has ever been in that situation. But when you're that good at golf, when you're the middle of the fairway and you have 100, what was it, 40-yard shot? How, no matter what, just get the thing on the green, two-putt, and we win the masters. To hit that in the bunker is like, I can't even imagine Tiger Woods' reaction at home.

Like, what? How does that happen? And honestly, going back to 13, someone I had a buddy named Mark sent me this clip the other day of like a statistical guy breaking down how you should play par fives and basically it is always advantage player to go for it

because today he lays up and then he dunks it in the water where Jim Nance and Emelman almost fell out of the booth so shocked and just dumbfounded on how that could happen but if you go for it even if you hit it in the water going in the water is a one stroke penalty so you drop at 50, 60 yards

you're hitting four in worst case scenario you're going to be putting for par even if it's 20 feet and you miss, you tap in a bogey. When you lay up and the same thing happens, I mean, it's going to be very, very difficult to boge. And all of a sudden he's got a double and it feels like it might as well have been a quadruple. And you could feel it on his face.

Honestly, that reaction when he hit the ground at the end had to be the overcoming of like those two shots on 18, his second shot, his third shot on 13. some of those just god awful puts. And again, this is all relative to one of the greatest players of all time. I mean, this guy is a couple more big wins away from being like, is he like a top five golfer of all time? Like Tiger, Jack,

is he like start being in the mix of the Arnold Palmer's, Ben Hogan's, Gary Players? I mean, this is the company he's chasing. And again, Phil, he might not be five, but he's definitely closer to five than ten. so you start chasing him, you start saying goodbye, like, think about Roy right now. Has nothing in common with guys like Justin Thompson. Hell, even Jordan Speeith. Jordan Spee's not that good anymore.

Kepka, who knows? He might never be the same. That moment a couple years ago at the PGA might have been his last claim to fame. And there's nothing wrong with that. You're five-time major champion. Like, you're in pretty special company. Dustin Johnson missed the cut this week. It's like, see ya, adios.

So, like, who are we talking? Scotty, I mean, We anointed him, rightfully so. I mean, he's won two majors, but they both have been the same tournament. So before we start comparing him to some of these other guys, like he's got to win another major beside the Masters, and right now it just feels like he's a little off. And it's still damn good.

He's clearly, you know, one of the great talents on the PJ Tour and on any given day could beat anybody. But he's not what he was last year. You got Zander, who's got a fucked up rib, who I actually think finished a little higher than I thought because his name come on the leaderboard. I don't even think I've seen Zander hit a shot. Like Colin Morikawa, Victor Hovlin.

So it's like, yeah, the tour has never been deeper, right? And that's not really debatable, right? Even relative to what Tiger had to deal with in the late 90s, early 2000s. The depth of talent won through like 25, 35, like that range. These guys are really, really good. And some of these older guys, we just saw it with Justin Rose, Adam Scott. I almost said Hadeki, because I feel like Hadeki's 40.

but he's actually like 30. I think he shot 600 today before like half the people even turned on the Masters. But, you know, they're still playing at a high level. It's really, really deep. This is the best player.

And now where he's going, what he did today, most Rory McElroy round ever. And this little rivalry, it doesn't quite, you know, they didn't really go at it after like five or six holes because on the third hole,

Rory McElroy is, Actually, Bryson takes the lead on two. Then by three, it flips again because Rory Bertie's, uh, Bryson bogeys. And that's it for basically Bryson. Because then Rory would birdie again and get to 12. And by like hole 9, he's 13 under and Bryson's 9 under and it was over. Then Bryson hits in the water on 11.

Sionara ejects himself. Which happens. I actually think Bryson was, had an incredible, respectable week for a guy that was just snapping his irons to the left. And he kept saying that. Like, I can't, my irons, I can't control the face of the club. Now, granted, he builds these clubs to do that, but for whatever's happening,

and listen, I understand he's a grinder, but you have to wonder if, like, he's hitting five bags of balls after Saturday, and he's in awesome shape, he looks good. He's found a perfect, like, a sweet spot of not too fat slash muscle bound.

He just looks really good. But I wonder if he's going to have to find some balance of like hitting a couple shots on the range after a round of dial stuff and just bang balls into the night. You're 30 years old. You only have so much energy and maybe he ran out of juice. But really, really cool moment. The NBA 82 game grind is done. And now the real fun begins. The NBA playoffs are here and it's time for the high stakes drama. Clutch moments and jaw dropping plays. Can't wait. If you're looking to make the playoffs, even more exciting, Draft King Sportsbook has you covered as an official sports betting partner of the NBA.

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What's the news, new? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to our... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there.

But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. And we were thinking I'm originally calling it. one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers was...

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and I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on Clay. Jenchian win. I mean, she went down in three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay.

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I mean, Holmes, if he never played another snap, what he accomplished in like a six, seven years span is just Lamar and Josh, I mean, two of the best players I've ever seen. I've been watching football for 30 years, are never going to sniff those accomplishments. It's just not going to happen. If either one were to win multiple Super Bowls,

it'd be like, holy shit, right? And what Tiger would do, beating these people and just suffocating them, never fucking up. I mean, part of when you hear these like historians, guys like Brandl talk about Tiger. Tiger was pretty boring. He was leaving the right spots.

He'd the right side of the green. He'd two putt. He would never screw up. He would never screw up. He can't relate to hitting into the water on 13. He can't relate to hitting into the bunker on 18. Doesn't mean he's going to hit it tight. I think sometimes you think of Tiger like hitting it three feet on every hole.

But like never doing that. And sometimes it's like what do they say? Dumb loses more games than smart wins. it's not that much different in golf. Like the professionals talk about this all the time. Where do I miss? Where do I miss? Where do I miss? Because you're not going to hit perfect shots. Like Rory's shot on 15 when he hits that hook around the trees.

That's, I don't want to say a once in a lifetime shot because he's a once in a lifetime or once in a generation type player. And he's hit countless shots like that. But you don't hit that many shots on a Sunday in a major in your entire career. Right? That actually, that shot is much more. the outlier than just like just hit it to the left side of the green and two putt or just miss it in the right bunker on a par five where you can get up and down or leave yourself a pretty

good birdie putt worst case scenario you par you're up multiple shots like that's how you win a lot of these majors especially once you get to the u.s. open where these holes really penalize you with uh you know crazy rough or missing fairways and i i just think you watch rory and one thing i don't know if you ever clean this up it's part of the package i mean this was always kind of the part of the package with Phil. And it's sad that we don't get much great speith anymore, but that's a huge part of it with speed. It's like at any moment

on any given shot over like 180 yards, anything can happen. Off the T, even Rory, who most people consider the greatest driver of all time. I think on five, he pumped one. There's not really out of bounds at the Masters, but you're like, is that going out of bounds? He's like,

stop, stop, stop. I mean, there would just be these moments. You're like, oh my God. Even on 17 where clearly the tracer was off you're like, did he just pump this three wood into the trees? It is believable. It is believable. So I

actually think in a weird way Rory upped his like his appeal. And this was a huge part of the Mickelson appeal. Like Tiger's appeal was just, I'm going to dominate. I am going to win. Right? I'm just never

going to lose. And it doesn't mean he actually never lost. He definitely did. But when I have a lead, especially in a major, chalk it up, W for me. And most people are not that. And Rory has just kind of established himself of like anything can kind of happen. Now, the greatest thing happened today, and that's winning the masters. And now he gets to sit at this table with these guys from Jack to Tiger to Phil to even a lot of his contemporaries, right? Dustin Johnson, Jordan Speeth.

Yeah, man, that was, that was wild. That was, I really, that was riveting. The end was, and the beginning was. But there was a middle stretch from like six to ten where it did feel little inevitable. I mean, if you look, and I'm sure Draft Kings will put this out, at the ebb and flow of his odds, I mean, he starts a day at minus 200.

So you got to bet $200, you got to bet $200 to $200 to, win 100. By the second hole when he's one down, I looked and I thought about it, but again, it felt like he might shoot like 80. He was plus 135. And then I would imagine when he's multiple shots up on like hole 9 and 10, I mean, at one point in time on 10, he got to 14 under. My guess is, I actually think I check. I don't know if it was 10 or 12. He was minus 500. Well, when he takes, when Justin Rose takes the lead after he bogeys, what hold did he bogey? He bogeed 14.

I would guess that at worst, he was probably even odds or maybe like minus 120 still to win. But man, that was wild. You know what's cool is sometimes in the sports calendar, this is the great part about the reality show that is, you know, the highest level of professional sports, whether it's Federer playing Jokevich,

whether it's Tiger going at it with whoever, whether it's Mahomes versus Jalen Hertz and the Eagles. You might get an all-time great game. You might get a game that felt like a blot. I remember laying on my couch in, what would have been, 2017, and falling asleep in the first half, quote-unquote falling asleep, like dozing off, being pretty bored, 28 to 3.

And it was like, the Patriots are going to lose this game like 40 to 10. and then things happen and that you just never forget. And sometimes the things in golf that you never forget are, to me, the two biggest meltdowns of all time are Vandervelt at the Open and obviously Greg Norman here at the Masters. And in football, 28 to 3 is just in a world by itself. I think there was when I was really, really young, I don't know if it was 90 or 91,

there was like a legendary comeback, the Buffalo Bills. And I think Frank Reich, the new coach for Stanford, was the quarterback, maybe Jim Kelly was hurt, and they were playing, I think, the Houston Oilers, and were down, I don't have the score up to 35 to 3 or something like that, and came storming back. And you just get these games in these moments. And it might be the first round of the playoffs.

It might be a Super Bowl. It could be a major. It also just could be just a Pebble Beach. And you never know when it's going to happen. And it's what makes all this so fun. And obviously now that, you know, golf gambling and something I've been doing now pretty consistently for a couple years, adds a huge element to it.

That that was a wild ride. I don't even know who else to talk about. Justin Rose, a lot of respect. A lot of respect for what he did today. And like I said, I truly believed when, not only when they teed off on 18, but Rory got to the tee in the playoff, it felt like five minutes before Justin.

It was like, is Justin Rose, is he just hitting a couple extra balls? Or is he playing mind game? with him. Clearly he knows them really well. They've been on the Ryder Cup team together for 15 plus years. You didn't quite know and maybe it was going to work and then he then he split that team like oh my god, this is really going to happen. So props to Justin Rose who is a badass. I mean, he's he's another guy that's he's only got one major. I mean, some of these other guys were listed to have multiple of his of the last 15, 20 years. But what a fucking stud. What a badass to be playing at this

level. That's what's, I would say, different about golf than basically any team sport, obviously even any individual sport, the other big individual sport would be tennis. You're not going to play at a high level in tennis in your mid-40s like you can in golf. I mean, hell, Tiger Woods won the Masters. I think he was 44 and 19. That's just not happening in 10. Like, you're not winning Wimbledon at 44 with all these injuries. That's just, that's never happening.

Obviously, in football, basketball, and baseball, Tom Bray. Brady and Nolan Ryan just don't, I mean, they're outliers for reason. You know, Roger Clemens was on who knows what, throwing 98, pitching for the Yankees and the Astros when he was 43 or 44, clearly. I mean, this is not the case. We're in golf, you're seeing guys. I mean, Phil Mickelson won a major a couple years ago at like 51 years old. So you can never sleep on these guys, the Adam Scots, the Justin Roses.

I mean, one day, guys like Rory will be 42 years old. and it's not inconceivable that some of this guys in this generation all of a sudden they're in the mix to win one of these majors it's what makes like Ludwig ultimately like he looks like an unstoppable force one just he just looks like a golfer good looking dude tall

skinny beautiful swing unfazed by screw ups like I saw Brando Shambly talking about it on live from never throws tantrums in a sport I'm guilty of this too. I threw one a couple weeks ago.

People just throw their hat, hit their driver on the T-box and make a big divot. It's just natural human reaction when you screw up. And it just feels like he is completely unfaced. Now he, all-time meltdown on 18.

I think he had a triple bogey. He three-putted 17 to just kind of unravel. But this guy looked like he was poised to like back-to-back year, second last year, and it looked like he was going to be third this year. Like, this guy feels, Like, he is coming.

He is, I mean, this, the talent on that guy is oozing out of his golf swing. Love Ludwig. Fun player to watch. What a baddest. We were actually at a, I was at a birthday dinner last night. Or no, it was a couple nights ago. Was it last night? I forget where I, oh, no, it was last night.

We were talking about, you know, some of these schools. I followed this one guy, one of the best college golfers in the country. And he, his Instagram, I mean, he is dating a girl that 10 years. ago 100% probably dates the quarterback at the school and this is a Power 5, like, high level program. But if you're smart and you go into some of these rooms, it's like, yeah, this quarterback, a guy might be a

six round pick. This guy is probably going to play on the PGA tour for 20 years. And I don't know if you see what sits on the back of their collar. It says net jets. They don't go to commercial airports, starting at 20, 21, 22 years old. So Ludwig is a good

example. He's at Texas Tech from Sweden. Victor was like this. at Oklahoma State. I'm sure they're in the wait room. Some of these girls chasing the football players. Now, if you get the right football player, don't blame you. But a lot of those guys, a couple years on the practice squad, ain't making any coin. That fucker Ludwig is going to be worth $100 million, $1 million by the time he's like

25 years old. I would be all over that cat. Just like some of these guys, like Arizona State, Auburn, Alabama, the best college programs. If the guy's number one or number two on your team and he's playing in some PGA events, date him. Because that guy usually is a rocket ship, right to big ass homes, sweet-ass lives. Now, that's what's changed dramatically about the sport.

I think Roy today, biggest purse ever, 4.2. The amount of money these guys are winning, Rory's rich before he won or lost this tournament. But Maria was telling me a story. She was at an open house. It was like $4 or $5 million, and the people coming in to see it here in Arizona down in Paradise Valley

were PGA tour golfing caddies. The caddies. Now, this guy was, on the bag for, I would say, like a top 50 player, not like Rory or Ludwig or Scotty, and they're looking at homes worth $4 or $5 million. The caddies. Part of it's the Saudis, the influx of money that the PJ Tour is at the back. All these guys are so rich, not just the top guys, which has always been the case,

Tiger, Phil, Jack, Greg Norman. I'm talking about like the 48th guy on tour, the 62nd guy on tour, is not only a multi-millionaire, his caddy is rolling in dough. I mean, Scotty's catty last. year I think made $7 million and that assumes that he's only kicking him 10% sure they're really close you get other bonuses who knows he might have netted $10 million fucking catty one season so the money that is flowing on this tour it's not you know NBA or NFL money because it's weird like beside your sponsors which the top guys make a lot you got to go earn it as a player right

it's it's the ultimate meritocracy like the only way you win the big pot of money at the end of a tournament is you got to win the tournament. I went to a son's game, what was that, Tuesday, watch Bradley Beal. He's getting paid $50 million, whether he's an all-star, or whether he gave the lowest effort I've ever seen from an NBA player that makes a lot of money in my life of attending sporting events for 30 plus years that I can remember. Like, this is crazy. Golf's the opposite. If you want to make $50 million, you better win a lot of tournaments. So a lot of these guys, but now it's like you get like six and start racking up seven, $800,000

a tournament and that's what it really changed. And inevitably, all these guys get back together and I'll end on a couple things really quick. One takeaway I had is clearly what's cool about the Masters is everyone gets back together. And John Rom actually showed signs of life after the first round.

I don't know where he ended up finishing, but he definitely didn't have a terrible week. Let me just pull up where he finished. I just want to read off some of the guys on Live where they finished. So like Terrell Hadden T-14, John Rom, T-14, Bryson, T-5, but really he was right there. Patrick Reed was third. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news.

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podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slica Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis. And I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs. And on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay. Jen Chinchin win. I mean, she went down in three to Roebuckina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lernerabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now.

And I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. We all know lifts got some all-time great, I mean, John Rom, if he ever came back to the PJ tour and got his mojo back, is an elite player.

Bryson clearly is an awesome player. You could argue, though, if you could only just get one guy back, just one guy, it's the YouTuber. It's Bryson DeShambeau. I just think, like, he has separated himself.

Now, you want him all back, because part of sports, you need good guys, you need bad guys, you need crazy guys, you need fun guys. Like having Patrick Reed around, having Tarell Hat and helicoptering clubs, like you need all that. But if you could just, if you had to choose,

like you're only allotted one guy from Live, it'd be like the equivalent of like, you're drafting number one and Andrew Lux's in the draft. It's not 2025 where it's like, well, should we take Travis Hunter number one? It's a no-brainer. It'd be Bryson. And then I think we could argue all day long who's number two.

That is how much over the last, I would say, 18, 12 months, he's separated from the pack. And his popularity, his, uh, I would just say overall influence and fame. And it feels he's really, really famed. Obviously, his high level play would not shock me at all. I was already looking at the odds.

I think he's an auto bet the next two majors to win. Wouldn't shock me at all. He's got to dial in these irons a little bit. But at the PGA championship or the U.S. Open, clearly got to dial in the irons. Like, can't win the U.S. Open with him hitting irons like today. But one thing you know about Bryson is like, if you tell me he's going to hit balls all week long for 18, hours. It's believable as he's shooting

YouTube's. So he's really separated from the pack. And last but not least, I mean, the funniest thing that's ever happened in the history of Masters is the kid from Arizona State Ballesteros, who it's got to be just what an incredible honor it has to be as an amateur to play in this tournament. He's playing with Justin Thomas. He's playing with Scottie Shepler. And he's got

to take a leak. I've been there. You've been there. Sometimes you just got to take a piss. And he pisses in Ray's Creek, I would say, easily. the most famous body of water. And it's not even a body of water. Let's say stream of water. Because we have some famous lakes on the PGA tour. And we have, you know, Pebble Beach on the ocean.

But stream of water, not even close. Ray's Creek. He pees in it at the Masters. He gets a standing O because he didn't realize that everyone could see him. Clearly the Masters has to be furious. Probably threatens that he's never allowed back. He calls it a river. The coach at Arizona State had gotten kicked out,

not of the driving range, of the entire tournament on Tuesday for wearing shorts. Rough, go 48 hours for Arizona State. Great moment for the University of Alabama, though. Nick Dunlap shoots a 90 on Thursday. He was a kid that didn't even plan on becoming a pro. Last year wins in Palm Springs. Doesn't have a choice. Just becomes a pro.

Wins again later that year, I think up in Reno at the Barakuta. wins twice last year on the PJ tour. Now, I wouldn't call the Amex and the Barracuda exactly the Masters and the Memorial, but still, you win twice on the PJ tour, incredible fucking accomplishment. Shoots 90. Probably wanted to cry. I had to be the most, I would guess that Nick Dunlap hasn't shot 90, I would assume he's 21, 22, 23 years old since he was, I would say younger than 14, 13, 12.

maybe he was a late bloomer, so 15, but that feels stretching it. I bet he hasn't shot 90 since, honestly, maybe even since he's been a teenager. And to shoot 90 at the Masters, and you can go on the Masters app, and he's hitting it, I mean, just all over the map. Dropping his club, it's flying right, it's flying left. And he's like, he had an awesome Instagram post where he's like, this is the worst and lowest moment of my entire life. and he sends his trainer to go get him 100 balls at Target and he just banged him into the woods

and then he came out the next day and he shot 71. And at one point in time on Friday, he was 3 under. So I remember when I was watching a couple years ago when he won at Amex. One thing Sabin is smart about is he befriends guys when he was a coached in Alabama on the golf team

because he plays a lot of golf during the offseason and he plays for money and he always has one of those guys on the team so he was buddies with Nick Dunlop because he would always be his partner when he played. And he called in. I remember watching on Golf Channel. He's calling into the Amex or maybe it was on NBC. And Sabin was so proud, like watching Dunlop win this tournament.

He was an amateur. He didn't even win any money. And then to have basically a year later, a little over a year, to shoot 90 at the Masters, I can't even imagine the embarrassment. And listen, any human being, whether you're 100 handicap or a scratch handicap has been at a moment where you just, I don't know what's going on in the golf course. I have no clue where the shot's going to go. I have no clue what's going on, my golf swing.

You just feel you're like a cornerback in the NFL. You're on an island and you got like a rolled ankle you can't run. You got no chance, none. And for him to bounce back, what an incredible accomplishment by Nick Dunlap. 19 shot swing. So congrats to Rory McElroy, Masters champ. What a day, man. What a day. The volume.

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