The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Go Low - Stars in Golf, Anthony Kim Returns, Best Bets

Episode Date: March 6, 2024

John dives into how golf is so different from other sports when it comes to winning and losing and how you can make a ton of money just by finishing in the top 15, he also discusses how the sport needs its stars to start winning more regularly, he reacts to Anthony Kim's unforgettable return to golf, and finally, John gives you some of the best bets for the coming weekend. 6:45 - Winning in golf 9:12 - Stars in the sport 17:31 - Anthony Kim returns 25:07 - Best Bets Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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guests, and definitely do some stuff for the YouTube channel on the course and at the range, screwing around. Got a lot of ideas. But I did have. have just some different thoughts on golf. I ended up gambling last week. I didn't place any pre-termament bets and then came Sunday. I'm like, I kind of want some action on this thing. Live bet. Have some thoughts on that because I think there is a little bit of a market there you can take advantage of. And then just some overall thoughts. I saw Sobel had a tweet on all the winners this year. And let's face it, for business has been really bad. I mean, for those individuals, it's been awesome. But in terms of star power,

You talk about a lot of long shots so far. Anthony Kim, a once very famous polarizing young superstar 15 plus years ago in the late 2000s and really the early 2010s, but really by 2012-13 his career kind of disappeared. A couple thoughts there. And then we got a tournament this weekend and I'll give a couple thoughts. but yeah I mean we just got I think a couple weeks till the players and then you know the masters isn't too far away so yeah this is fun times obviously the majors this year are going to be pretty special because everyone gets together and it sucks because every time it's like oh let's talk some golf a huge conversation is like how screwed up everything is and that's just kind of the reality currently of

the sport. And it feels like I'm saying the same thing every time that I talk about it. I saw Paul Aisinger said, like, these tournaments are not quite the same. You can't have it split up. And it doesn't feel the same. And this year simply has been a disaster, I think, for the PGA tour. From the sense that golf is not, there's not like some outcome that's binary, right? Like, the Eagles play the Cowboys. You're going to have a winner and a loser. And it's a polarizing discussion, even when you win, what you did right, what you did wrong. Obviously, if you lose, it's devastating. It's like that in the team sports, right?

Basketball, baseball, football, hockey. Someone wins. Someone loses. In golf, it's not really like that. Kevin Kisner gave this classic answer. I don't know how long ago. Within the last seven, eight years. Actually, it might have been a little more recent than that.

They asked him, because he's, for those that don't know, Kisner, who basically is, you know, very, very soon will be a full-time television employee and be awesome at it. One of just the great personalities on the PJ tour. But he doesn't hit it very far. He's a very old-school golfer. I would say in his prime, a high-end putter and just a very consistent player. A guy that you would have seen in the 90s and the 80s, not your typical player in the 2010s, where golf has become a lot about hitting it far.

And he definitely isn't the part of the sitter. And they asked him if he thought that he could win at every course. And he basically laughed at the reporter. He's like, I got no chance at half the events we play it. And they go, well, then why do you play? And he said, because they pay a lot for 12th place. You make a lot of money finishing 7th. And in golf, like in football, at the combine, you notice,

now everyone's happy. but like the Niners were devastated, right? That sucks losing in the Super Bowl. But like the Lions, they had an incredible season. The Packers, you could tell we're riding high. Right, but at the time when you lose that playoff game, it's devastated. We're in golf, if you finish fourth and you bank 750 grand, that's a good week. Unless you're like Rory McElroy or Tiger are filling their,

prime, like the overwhelming majority of guys, maybe Scotty Sheffler right now, like if Justin Thomas, and he's a guy who's won 10 plus times on tour, won a couple majors, if he finishes fourth this week at the Arnold Palmer, that is a really good week for him, especially given how he's been playing. I think the majority of guys of this tournament, if they finish in the top six or seven, it's an awesome week. Yet they didn't win. And honestly, depending on how it plays out, they might not even in the mix on Sunday. Maybe they start the day at like 27th and they shoot five or six under and all of a sudden you look up and they finish sixth and they banked a lot of money and they had a successful week. Golf is very, very dependent on their stars. Always has been. Back to Arnold

Palmer and Jack Nicklaus. I mean Arnold Palmer was not even as accomplished as Jack. He's probably you could argue beside Tiger, the second most famous guy ever because of his business endeavors. through Greg Norman, who a big part of Greg Norman wasn't that he won 10 majors, he only won two. He's actually known for choking. Was his clothing brand and him on the business side of things, right? And obviously led to Tiger and Phil.

And Tiger is probably, and I've said this forever, the second most famous athlete of my lifetime behind Michael Jordan. And there's a level of fame that those guys, Michael was in the 80s and 90s, Tiger was late 90s, pre-interested. to be that famous. A lot of guys can become famous now. There was a different level when it came to Tiger. And you need your stars to carry your sport.

And right now, because of Liv, paying and buying a lot of these stars, it's diminished the product. And then let's face it, the stars haven't played as well. They have not won these tournaments. My guy Jason Sobel, Action Network, gambling guy,

posted this, I think last week on as my mother would say, the X channel. Chris, all the winners this year. Chris Kirk, 200 to 1. Meaning, if you would have put a dollar on Chris Kirk, you would have won 200. If you would have put $100 on him, you would have won $20,000.

A lot of times, like this weekend, Scotty Sheffler, he's like six or seven to one. In Tiger Woods Prime, he was like three or four to one entering a golf tournament. against 150 people. Now this week's only 69 guys, but still, you're not playing. There's a reason even a big underdog in the NFL is like 4 to 1.

It's like, I wouldn't touch that. The Giants got no chance to beat the Cowboys. And they're plus 400. In golf, Grison Murray, 400 to 1. Nick Dunlap, who was an amateur, meaning he was not even a professional golfer. He's the first amateur to win in 30,000. plus years since a guy named Phil

Mickelson did it. 300 to 1 and it was pretty incredible because he was playing with Sam Burns and Justin Thomas, two of the better Americans. Matthew Pavon. His odds weren't as crazy. I'll be honest, never heard of the guy. And I follow the

shit really, really closely. 125 to 1. Wyndham Clark, who won the U.S. Open last year and is a very famous, you know, relatively famous, was just on the Ryder Cup. Really good player. Like, that's a legitimate winner. But he won because the tournament got rained out.

And it was supposed to be him against Ludwig, who's like this up-and-coming superstar, who's currently, like, every single week, he's won one time. And I used to love betting him at like 40, 50 to 1. It's now like 18 to 1. Don't love it as much. And then guys like Nick Taylor, Jake Knapp, who I made some money off of, and it's Mexico.

And last week, Austin Eckrault. Like, these guys, like, the tour is not good enough to get casuals to pay attention if Rory, Justin Thomas, Jordan Spee, Scotty Sheffler, their top guys are not winning tournaments. They don't need them to be competitive. They need them to fucking win.

And right now, they're not, it doesn't even feel like they're remotely close. So when you factor in the live, and then you factor in when the guys are playing, they're not winning. Like, that matters. It does. Because it's a big deal for a random guy

if you make it, if you're a tennis player and you make it to Wimbledon, first time, and you're 22 years old, you just graduated University of Florida. And all of a sudden, you're in the quarterfinals and you get worked by Nadal or Yukovic or whoever, right? Incredible. Awesome for that guy.

But as a consumer, we want that guy out. We want to watch Nadal versus Federer. Agassi versus Sampras. I want to see Jordan Spieth versus Scotty Sheffler. I understand the DJ, Bryson, Kepka,

those guys are gone, not coming back. It's over. Right? Cam Smith, their group of elite, John Rom, ideally we'd have them all.

And based on the numbers, and this is why those guys, the group of the top 15 guys, have been consistently winning most of the top. tournaments the last several years. Well, the moment you diminish it, it's just harder.

It's just a law of averages. You could have, you could be a fucking legend in professional golf and win eight, nine times. Think about Anthony Kim, who will get to in a minute. I think won four professional tournaments. So,

there's nothing wrong. Kirk Kittiyama last year won this tournament. And it was cool. Battle another guys. Honestly, even when Nick Dunl won it. He has Justin Thomas and Sam Burns in the group. That's what makes professional golf cool. But you can't have that every single week. Part of what made Tiger is like, you know when he played most of the time he's going to win? Or it felt like have a legit chance, him and Phil. There were some other random guys besides like the top guys Ernie and the other guys that

played during their time. But for the most part, like they were the betting favorite for a reason because most of the time they were going to be right in the mix to win it. Right now, that's not what it feels like. And the product is suffering. It is suffering. And I don't believe, like, NBA product suffers. Why? Because for years, tanking, load management,

it's like, well, they don't care, why should I? Baseball suffers. Why? It's kind of slow. In 2024, everything's rapid speed, short attention spans. Nothing the sport can do. And they've tried, right? They've limited the amount of time you can step out of the batter's box.

the pitcher has to go rapid fire. Golf, the sport's not really going to change. I mean, they can mess with the equipment or the ball, but the sport's the sport. But the star power has to carry the sport. And right now that simply is not happening. And they're limited on the amount of bodies they have to just do that.

So I think you're seeing that when you cut the high-end talent in half in a sport that has just the variance and the randomness, If you win 10% of your starts as a PGA tour player, you're going to go down as one of the great players in the history of the sport. 10%. So if you play 100 events and you win 10 of them, you're a Hall of Famer. Baseball, it's like you get three hits out of 10, right?

You're a borderline hall of famer. So it shows you golf, the variance is huge. It's very, very difficult. It's successful to get top fives and top tens. Pays your mortgages. pays your accountants, pays for your second homes, pays for your jet.

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return to live. And when Anthony Kim played, I actually last night watched, maybe the phones listening to me, which I know it is. I watched in 2008, Anthony Kim was on the Ryder Cup, and he played like this match

against Sergio and kind of kicked his ass. And it was awesome. He was fun to watch. And you hear the players of his generation, I saw Hunter Mahan on with Colt Nost and Sleys, Drew Stoltz, just telling what a fun,

energetic and just how talented the guy is and he was a free. But that was 15 years ago. It was a long time ago. Now part of what made Anthony Kim is like he had the aura that he partied a lot. He had like this Alan Iverson to him. He was just the ultimate gamer.

But when you looked, it's not like he won majors. Pretty sure he only won four PJ Tour events. Was a Ryder Cup member and it was really good. It was just a huge personality. It was just interesting. In a sport beside Tiger, which isn't always. he's that interesting. And then he disappeared. And at any time that you just disappear, it kind of adds to what we think about you. Because the unknown is pretty powerful. It to me is

what has really diminished a lot of famous people is social media. I know too much about you. Leave a little to be desired. Like part of what made the last dance pretty cool is like, Michael's not that open about stuff. Unless you're friends with Michael Jordan, you don't know what the fuck's going on. You don't hear him talk that often. I wouldn't say he's cloak and dagger, but he's a little mysterious. And anytime that you take a famous person and you add some mystery to them, especially with an athlete, I think it adds to the intrigue. And that's a huge part of Anthony Kim. There's a lot of stories. He just disappeared. Didn't do any interviews. Quit golf. A lot of stories that it was an injury and he took out of $10 million.

insurance policy and it was just gone. So a lot of people have talked about him. And when he was playing, I'll be honest, like it was more Tiger and Phil for me. And I followed Nick Watney's career very closely because he grew up where I grew up. And I would say those three guys, but I wasn't following the PGA tour.

I definitely wasn't gambling on it. Like what happens now and what I've been for the last three or four years. So Anthony Kim returns. And don't blame Liv. Right? They just gave him the equipment. They didn't even put him on a team.

They did their equivalent of like, you're just playing, you're a wild card. And he finished DFL. He's got 76, 76, 74. Which for me or you or most, even single, low single digits, solid week. Good week.

And I'm not, this is not to try to diminish anything. I don't even hold it against them. But that's embarrassing for the, for kind of that operation because it's clear he's just a side show. He has no chance. Kepka won a major last year. DJ is one of the best players

in the history of the sport. Bryson D. Chambot clearly was one of the better under 30 guys in professional golf. Cam Smith won the Open two years ago and the players champion. You're talking about the best players on the planet. We can argue over why,

Rake Neiman and his tactics of always complaining, he's clearly an elite talent. If he was on the PGA tour, he'd be one of the better young players out there. So you put this guy, he's got zero chance. None. Absolutely none. And I think Colin hit on this years ago when Gruden came back.

And I give him credit because I thought Gruden was going to be successful. I was like, this is going to work. Not just the pizzazz and the buzz and the headlines. I bet Gruden wins for the Raiders. And Collin's take was pretty simple. You can't leave a competitive industry for a decade, whether that's engineering, whether that's finance, whether that's coaching football, or playing golf,

and then just come back and have any shot. And I was thinking about it this morning because of how Gruden relates to Anthony Kim, and it's different, right? being the athlete, being the guy playing, and being the guy coaching. But I do think there are some similarities. When Gruden came back, one thing that really crushed him is his lack of understanding on how to build the team. And then you look back, we never had to do that. With the Raiders, Al did that for him. And then when he got the Tampa job, it was already built. And Gruden starts

taking all these guys who were big red flags, troublemakers. One guy that is long gone from the Raiders now was just the rest of the other day for having like meth. He had meth from Ohio State, former coroner, Arnett. Well, back in the 90s, the reality is a lot of guys were doing shady shit, and it was pretty easy to cover up. In this modern day times, it's impossible. So taking flyers on guys who are major red flags, Godspeed, most of the time in this world we live in,

it's going to bite you in the ass. And in golf, I don't care how many pickup games you play with guys at your club. Listen, pros do it right now. I saw Wyndham Clark and Max Homa and all those guys were playing the other day to go. And then they also play competitively on the PGA tour. Right? Sometimes I've been lucky enough to play with a lot of college golfers, and you see how talented they are, and the level that they have to play at to even have a snowball's chance in hell on the

the corn fairy tour. So Anthony Kim, I don't even blame the guy, and I definitely don't blame him for taking Liv's money. But this is going to be really ugly. He is going to constantly just not play very well. He has no shot against any of these people. Even some of the washed bad players, right, Poulter, Westwood, some of those type guys, even Phil now, are in a different Stratosphere, they've been playing competitively the entire time since this guy disappeared. So they play their home games, right? We're at their club with their buddies, bullshitting, hanging out. And then they've also been playing on the PJ tour, playing in majors, and now even on Live for the last several years.

So I guess I didn't have any preconceived thoughts how he would play. How could you? but after he finished DFL, it's really not that shocking. I would expect him to finish last pretty consistently moving forward. And if he doesn't, it's kind of an indictment on anyone that he beats. If you get beat, I don't care how talented this guy was 15 years ago. Against a guy who hasn't played competitively in 10 plus years, you should be ashamed. You really should.

It'd be like a dude who retired from the NFL or baseball. for a decade plus and just showed back up and could win a starting job, that's not possible. It just is not. And it's clearly not possible at golf either. And we just learned that with Anthony Kim. The Arnold Palmer is this week. And one thing golf tried to do once Live happened is up the money for its guys.

So they created these signature events and they paid out a lot of money. When Wyndham Clark won at Pebble Beach, he won $4 million. Same with Hadecki at Riviera, who also won this year. While he was 80 to 1, I'd say he's a little unique. I would not put him in the category of all those other winners. He's famous. You want him winning on the PGA Tour. Hadeki's an elite player when he's on, obviously.

But these signature events to me, they're twofold. Just as a fan, suck. I hate him. I don't like watching golf events. when there is no cut. A huge part of professional golf is trying to make the weekend. Just like a huge part of an NFL training camp

is trying to make the team. And then for the majority of guys, at any moment you can get cut in the NFL. It's what makes the whole sport pretty intriguing, how hard it is to hold on to your job. It's why I have infinitely more respect for 99% of it. players than most of the coaches in the NFL.

Assistance too. Because it's much easier to become an assistant coach. Obviously, if you're a great head coach, an Andy Reid, a Jim Harbaugh, Kyle McVeigh, those guys are the cream of the crop. There are so many guys in the NFL stealing a coach. It's hard to steal in professional football as a player. You might get overpaid or whatever,

but you'll get replaced quick. I mean, hell, they cut Russell Wilson. They owe him to $85 million. Like, get the hell out of the building. And that's always what golf had. Like, if you're off, you just aren't going to make the weekend. Whether you're Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson, John Rom, you name it.

Justin Thomas, played like shit at Rift. Didn't play Saturday or Sunday. See you later. Adios. Godspeed. Have a good weekend. And so anytime you have these no-cut events, I understand from a business perspective,

if I am the person that's financing the sponsorship, like, I want the bigger names there. But that's always what's made golf kind of unique. There's no guarantee. You have to earn your way there. right? And so these signature events now have no cut because they're basically just trying to disperse the money to the high-end guys. Basically guarantee that you're going to get some cash.

Which I do understand, but as a viewer, bores me. Thursday and Friday, it doesn't even matter. I also think it's much harder to gamble on because all the best players are in this relative that are still around on the PJ tour. and if I give any, if I give Scotty Sheffler four rounds, even if he plays like shit the first round. Let's say he has the worst round of his career.

78. He's liable to shoot 66, 66, 67, 66 the next three days. All of a sudden he's right back in it. Where if this was traditional tournament, 99% is going to miss the cut. And I think my voice just cracked right there. So I hate it. And Tiger Woods has talked about it.

He hates it. A part of golf, especially in regular season events is knowing that you need to play well to make it to Saturday. I've talked with people that have played on the corn fairy tour a lot of them believe that... And these guys are like high-end players, right?

If you're playing well, it's actually easier to make a cut at a PJ tour event than it is a corn fairy event because sometimes if you're playing a hard course at a PJ tour event, you might just have to be like one or two under to make the cut. Look, the corn fairy, to make a cut,

sometimes like 10 under. Nine under, seven, like you've got to be lights out, Bertie Fest. And that's not what this week is. Last year, I think the winning score was like 12 or 13 under. I have had success

the last couple weeks, live betting. For example, last week, Saturday night, it had just ended. I'm like, I need some action for tomorrow. I didn't know it was going to be

Rained delayed or whatever. And Jake Knapp, who I actually just bet the week before when he won in Mexico. I'm like, God, he's kind of right. in the mix for a top 10, I could get him at basically plus 200, which was 2 to 1, and he has no pressure. So it'd be one thing if he was winning, feel the pressure of being back to back.

He hasn't played on the PGA tour very long. He's just playing really well. So I hammered him. Cam Young as well. Cam Young, I like him to win this week. He's a guy, Ryder Cup, President Cup, level guy, just a guy that for some reason has not won on the PGA tour, but he's an elite talent, and he is another guy. I hammered last week. Ended up finishing like tied for fourth. I like him this week at like 22, 25 to 1. I think Draft Kings right now, he's maybe 24 to 1, 22 to 1,

25 to 1. Numbers changed a little bit. I like him to win this week. Last year he finished top 10. But my strategy, if you don't want to bet before the tournament, I don't think it's that crazy. On Draft Kings, you can monitor the tournament and find pretty incredible odds. You can't just bet, you can just bet for them to win, but you also going to do top fives and top tens. A couple other guys that I like to be top tens this week a lot is Jason Day, who has resurrected his career these last two years, finished top 10 last year at this tournament, and you can get like basically plus 250. Same with Will Zalotauris, who another guy who I live bet at Riviera, who I would not have bet before the tournament, because at the time he hadn't played

that well, still a little risky with the back. And then all of a sudden you're watching them, you're like, this is the Will Zalotaurus that I have seen compete to win majors. And I'm just betting on that this week. I don't think it's crazy if you want to sprinkle a little on him to win. But like I've told everybody, not saying that I don't occasionally do it, it's hard not to, right? We all get the itch.

I do think the way, if you want to consistently make money, is to bet top tens and even top 20s. Like one top 20. Now, this guy played like shit last year at this tournament. He did not make the cut. Shot like eight over in two rounds. I think this guy's a baller. And I bet on this guy a decent amount to finish top ten,

and he's cashed a couple times this year. Eric Cole, who is like a 33-year-old second-year PJ Tour member. I think he's the grandson of Arnold Palmer. And it's not necessarily because, like, I'm betting on him because this is Arnold Palmer's tournament. I think he's really good. And you can get him the top 20 to top 20. gives you a lot of leeway.

This thing in, like, betting football or basketball, like you're either winning or you're losing, right? You're either covering the spread or you're not. Top 20 gives you a lot of, you get four rounds. Basically, the cut is the top 50. Well, there's only 69 guys making it. So you got to feel pretty good about your guy making the cut. You've got to be a disaster to miss the cut.

If you're in the mix, even if you're like 40th, hit it into the weekend. A couple rounds of 69, you're right there. All of a sudden cash. I'm tempted to put like $1,000 on Eric Cole plus $2.30 to top 20. And I think that's my new strategy. Instead of doing like $50, $75, $100 on guys to win and hope to hit like $25, $30, $40 to 1, bigger bets with more leeway top tens and top 20s.

And I'm going to sprinkle on Cam Young to win. But top 10, I've already bet Zalotaurus, Cam Young, and Jason Day. and I'm going to bet before the tournament Eric Cole as well top 20. And that's what's cool about draft Kings is it gives you the ability to bet all the finishing positions which is a powerful thing

because winning's very, very hard. Listen, any of these guys can't lay, Zander, all these guys can win this tournament, right? And they might, right? Some random guy, based on the history of this year, could win this tournament. Probably not in an elevated event you wouldn't think, but who knows?

I do think top tens though In top 20s when you bet on guys that are playing well And I'm telling you Cam Young is playing well I've watched them very closely because I've been having money on him And Zalataurus as well The game he showed at Riviera When I won When did I win

Oh I won It might have been Zalotaurus Won me like $1,500 I immediately put like $250 on him to win the Masters I think it like 35 or 40 to 1 So I know the payouts like 7,500 So I already got a ticket on Zalotr's Just because he's played well there before

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