The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Gottlieb – All Ball - Nets Don't Need Melo; Amateurs Over Team USA B-Team; NCAA's 'Rich Paul Rule' Backtrack; Guest:ESPN Analyst Sean Farnham

Episode Date: August 15, 2019

Subscribe here to the All Ball with Doug Gottlieb Podcast https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/all-ball-with-doug-gottlieb/id1358843497?mt=2.  This week, Gottlieb doesn't think Carmelo Anthony would be a good fit  for Brooklyn, despite recent rumors, gives his take on  why Team USA, should consider playing amateurs for non-Olympic tournaments, and the NCAA's backtrack on the 'Rich Paul Rule. Doug's guest this week is ESPN college basketball analyst Sean Farnham, who discusses his Bay Area hoops upbringing, playing with peak Baron Davis at UCLA, transitioning into broadcasting, and why he doesn't think college players should be paid. Make sure you download, rate and subscribe here to get the latest All Ball Podcasts! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's been like, how many years now? Like 12 years. I've been doing the kind of afternoon spot nationally, three different networks. I think you'll like it. Let me get to a couple

of Hoops Nuggets. Let's start with Carmelo Anthony. Now, I do feel like at some point somebody's going to take a little bit of the bait. Maybe it's Brooklyn because they won't have Kevin Iran early in the season. The problem with the idea of Brooklyn, even though that's a home away from home for him, is that Brooklyn's whole thing was their culture. And they are completely, completely into the idea of analytics. They only take threes or layups.

That's really it. Threes, layups, free throws. That's about it. They are analytics basketball. That's what Kenny Atkinson believes in. It's going to be a challenge for him, though, with Kyrie Irving, who likes to over-dribble,

we'll take some mid-range shots, we'll take some fadeaways, and then the same will be interesting when they get Kevin Durant healthy. A man, Carmelo, he doesn't seem to fit at all with what they've been doing, and the big thing with Mello is, like, look, he can't guard anybody anymore.

He didn't guard anybody. in his career. Now he can't guard anybody and it becomes even worse. I guess I'm disappointed in USA basketball, not in USA basketball, but in NBA players who choose to work out all the time and don't want to work out with Greg Popovich and play representing our country. Part of me thinks that maybe the thing to do is to make the Olympics go back to the amateur, you know, go back to using our AMs. Now, it would probably mean we're not going to win gold medals, but the world Cup can be for the NBA players, the Olympics could be for the college kids. Why not? That's what it used to be about. And the only reason we changed was we had a terrible

team in 1988. We got beat by, we got beat by guys that some of whom were in fact pros. And instead of getting better, we just like, let's go get our best guys and stomp the world, which we did. And they're now kind of catching up to us. If our NBA players only want to play in the Olympics, fine. Let's play the AMS otherwise. But the truth is that the World Cup is designed for the pros and the Olympics is designed for the AMs. Let's go back to the amateurs.

Or at least cap it at 23, 24 years old. Have it for the young guys. We may end up getting beat in the World Cup. I think that's going to show our depth. You know, the difference in us in other countries is the depth of quality players, the depth of quality athletes. We'll see if we have the shot makers, but it might actually be better team basketball

than we played when we played international competition before. I don't think we should close the door on using amateurs, especially in the Olympics, even if it caused us to not medal. Be sure to catch live editions of the Doug Gottlieb show weekdays at noon Eastern 3 p.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the IHeart Radio app.

All right, let's get to a couple other interesting news from around the league. Tyrone Lou, probably going to join the staff of the LA Clippers. I know this is going to be seen as a win for the Clippers. Let's be honest, there's a previous relationship that exists between Doc Rivers and Ty Lou. I think Ty Lou made a mistake. Yeah, it was a three-year deal. But think about the team that he's coaching now as an assistant and think about being the head coach of the Lakers in the same building.

Were the Lakers driving a hard, maybe slightly unreasonable bargain? Yeah, sure. But it's their prerogative to do so, right? They're prerogative to do so. And so in my mind, I think that Ty Lou made a mistake. Obviously now he and Jason Kidd are going to be sitting there as two kind of head coaches in waiting for any of the jobs that could in fact come open. It doesn't mean I don't like to hire from the Clippers. You got Doc Rivers who previously employed Tyron Liu.

he brings a ton of respect. He's won an NBA title. All of that stuff makes sense. I'm just telling you from Tyrone Loo's perspective, it's a mistake that he didn't take to Lakers' job. It's a mistake that he didn't take to Lakers' job. And then let's get to the NCAA backing down from the quote-unquote Rich Paul rule.

It's really Christian Dawkins rule. And even in how it's being pitched by the media, it's a win for social media and a win for Rich Paul, who's grandfathered in to the NBA PA's agent approval system. It's so funny, the NBA PA and the NFLPA have prerequisites that you need a degree. Of course, the NBA PA, you can appeal and get an exemption. That's what happened to Rich Paul.

But they have these degree requirements already in place, which is basically what the NCAA kind of changed doing. I don't think there should be. And he said, like, I don't think you're asking a ton to get a guy. to get somebody who has a bachelor's degree. And the logic behind it is this. The NCAA is trying to tell you we value... Last night, a blown call changed a game.

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He's actually hosted a Fox Sports Radio show, CBS Sports Network, and now at ESPN, UCLA alum, Sean Farnham. Farney, we've seen you on Get Up. You continue to expand. You know, you've done national radio. You've done local radio. When you grew up in Northern California, what was your childhood like?

You know, I was raised by a part-time dental assistant. uh... and a san francisco police officer and lived in the east bay and you know it was i was really fortunate to have parents uh... that that really did all that they could to try to further my opportunities and neither one of my parents graduated from college uh... and so the opportunity to get the kind of education i did growing up and then going to deliselle high school uh... which is obviously rolled around for its

it's football program but not about basketball program when you look at the berry brothers uh... guys like joe mclean uh... Many guys have come after. They've won a couple state championships. Frank O'Locko did a great job with that program after I left. But it was a tremendous launching point of teaching me the values of just hard work.

And I watched my parents do it every single day. To afford to put me into private school, my dad would get off of working a midnight shift at the police department in San Francisco, drive straight to my school, and he'd work in the yard for recess and lunch. just to get the reduction on the tuition so my family could afford it. So it was that kind of effort that I think has been a principle that I've kind of tried to take with me every day. Wow.

Where did you grow up hooping? I grew up playing to CYO basketball. I mean, as you know, Doug, we grew up kind of a similar area. Club really didn't start getting going until we were probably like in the sixth or seventh grade. It started to become a little bit more popular. And you see the teams like Orange County Hoops and whatnot. your dad's program, obviously. But I grew up playing local CYO at my youth school,

and then it started finally in the club circuit. I was one of the first Oakland soldiers teams that was actually formed by playing in the Flam and Jam League that had all the high school players from that area played in the spring, and that they formed their team from that. And that was my first real experience of playing on the club scene and traveling to the BCI tournament down in Arizona, being in Vegas, whatnot, and playing.

in the big time, which I'm glad they brought back this past year. But those were the fun times. I mean, because really a lot of those tournaments that we played in, it was just a lot of our local guys. We played against other teams in our general area. It wasn't necessarily as corporate as it is now, where you've got teams literally flying every single weekend back to the East Coast for some of these events to try to gain that exposure.

Who is on the team? I would say the best player was Eddie House, and not a bad player to have on your team. And, you know, Doug, really, I tell Eddie this all the time. Most of my success on the club circuit, and we went to play in the DCI tournament down in Arizona when we were sophomores. And I was named actually a BCI All-American off that tournament, which basically the all-tournament team. But the reason why I was was because I was smart enough to figure out that Eddie House was the best shooter in the gym. And so I would get the ball to Eddie and immediately set an on-ball screen.

So one of two things was going to happen. They were going to go under. Eddie was going to hit the three, or both guys who had been told by their coaches that that guy could flat out shoot the ball, would go to try to double him, and then I would flip the screen, and he would dump it down to me, and I just finished with a layup or a dunk. And so I was smart enough to figure that out real quick and made a living off of just sitting on ball screens for Eddie House. But Eddie was phenomenal in high school as he was when it was in Arizona State as well. But he put up some huge numbers, and it was really a lot of fun to play with him.

I played with a kid by the name is Stephen Moss Kelly. He ended up going to Eastern Washington and playing up there. We had a pretty good team, but Eddie was the star. There was no question about it. Who recruited you? Really, it was, my recruiting to college was crazy, and everybody's got their story. But when I was entering my senior year,

it was really the Air Force Academy and the University of Montana. Those were like the two schools that I was like, okay, I'm going to go to one of those two. And I got my full appointment to go to the Air Force Academy, and I was pretty certain I was going to go to the Air Force Academy. But that backdoor cut in 1996 against UCLA ended up being the key to opening up so much of what now has become my life. They lost to Princeton the opening round of that NCAA tournament in 96, and the entire

coaching staff flew to the state championship game in Sacramento to recruit a couple of kids from Crenshaw. And we, Delisal, the first time we ever made the state championship as a program, and I ended up having like 22 points and 15 rebounds in the state championship. And from that game, I got a ton of offers that came in late. And I'll never forget being told, hey, you know, you got to call Jim Herrick. And I was like, okay, well, Jim's probably going to ask me to, like, work his camp or something. You know, I mean, like, it's still UCLA, just a year removed from winning the national championship 95.

And so I called up Coach Eric, and it was a Southern drawler. I said, Sean, you want to be a UCLA Bruin? And I was like, yeah, why? Like, what are you talking about? And so I ended up taking my official visit with Nate James, and of course on Coach K staff now at Duke, and do play to Duke and spend a couple days down at UCLA. They said, listen, here's the deal.

We saw you play one game. If you come down here, you can earn a scholarship, but we're not going to give you a scholarship just by watching you play one game. And so that was a tough decision to make because I did get some scholarship offers late to a lot of other schools. plus I was really actually very interesting going to the Air Force Academy.

Coach Minton did a great job, like building that relationship and that trust with me through the process. And I looked at my parents and said, you know what? Like, I'm not going to be a pro. I know that. I'm six foot six. I know I've pretty much tapped out to my peak as far as being, you know, I can still grow as a basketball player,

but I'm not going to be a pro. Work gives me the best opportunity to be successful long term. And I said the education at UCLA, I think it could open up a lot of doors of opportunities. And so that's why I made the decision to go to UCLA. And, you know, it's paid off in spades just because of the way that that four-year process went. And some of the doors had actually opened up while I was there. Yeah, I think it's interesting.

I think the location and the name UCLA and success of the program, even though, like, they don't even have a broadcasting major at UCLA. Do they communication major? Yeah. I was a history major. Yeah. Everybody's a history major. a history teacher and a high school basketball coach.

And I kind of fell into the broadcasting thing because Bill McDonald was calling our games in time for Fox Sports West. And it was a game that we were playing against actually Arizona State. I was always in the gym. Like, you know, we'd finish eating, and I'd be right back in the gym just getting up shots. I knew I wasn't going to play a lot in particular in my sophomore season. And was like, you know what? I'm just going to get shots up, get my workout in.

And so I was just go right back to the court. And so I was talking with Bill. and he got an easy job. He goes, well, how would you do it? And I did a mock open. And what I didn't realize was the mic was actually open to the truck. And one of the executive producers at Fox Sports West heard it, came down to him.

Who was that? I was that guy. They pointed at me. And from that, they started while I was in college, the UCLA Sports Magazine show that was on Fox Sports West for a long period of time, actually had me as a special correspondent, and I would do a segment called the Farnham Files. And this was the time where the X files was very popular on Fox.

So they built this whole interstitial into the foreign-of-iles. And I interviewed Coach Lab, and I interviewed Danube at Zurich, and I showed people where we ate on campus and where we'd hang out as a team. And it was just a bunch of things like that, but desensitized me to the camera and made me feel really comfortable. And then after I was done coaching at Pepperdine, I called up that same executive, Bruce.

And I did all that stuff for free when I was in college. Is there a chance that you give me a chance to try to make this a career? And that's kind of how the whole television stuff really started for me. You didn't want to go to St. Bonaventure with Van Bernicoff? Like, you didn't go like, hey, I know I'm... Only in New York. As much as it's the enchanted force and Woj probably would have liked me a lot better. Last night, a blown call changed a game.

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Listen to the Clippers show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Better had I been on that staff? But it was just, you know, we all make decisions, right? And I had just, I knew the girl that I was going to marry. I had a couple years left of college. And I just proposed to her. And I was like, you know what? I'm not going to leave that because if she's got a year and a half left of college and I'm only in New York,

I just don't think that that would have been good for our relationship. And so that's what kind of helped push me more into the TV world than to continue to continue to coach at that time. And it was 100% the right decision, three kids later, 17 years in now in marriage, and a career that brings me a great deal of happiness. I mean, I don't look at it as a job. I look at it as just absolutely fun to be talking about. hoop and studying hoop on a consistent basis. Your first game.

Do you remember what the first game you called? Well, first time I ever did television, I was a sideline reporter for high school football for Los Alamitos, first Fountain Valley. And the hit was on their coach, Coach Barnes at the time for Los Al, who was a legendary coach in Southern California. And so I remember doing the hit, it's the first time I ever had an IFBN. And I don't know what your experience was like, but I was ill-prepared for this. And so Wadi throws it down with John Jackson and said, hey, let's go down and welcome to our broadcast team.

Our newest high school reporter, Sean, part of Sean. And I start to do the talk, and my producer in the ear goes, Sean, lower third. And I literally on camera holding the mic, turned my head and said, what? Because I thought someone's right. Now my mic is shaking because I'm nervous and I realize I just screwed up on television. And I was like, well, this is going to be the last time I ever work on TV. and I fought my way through it. Gay men, producer comes out of the truck,

and I said, I'm so sorry, that was horrible. Because, look, the stuff you didn't game was fine. Obviously, you've got to get more comfortable with an IFB. That's why you're doing high school football, and you're not doing anything more than that for right now. And that's kind of where I started to learn the business and start to cut my teeth and get a little bit better, working with people like Lindsay Soto,

who's obviously gone on to a great deal of success with the NFL network. And then it started in college basketball. And my first college basketball game was House State Fullerton versus UCI in the Brenn event center. Nice. Nice. And it was the first game ever. At the time they had a guy, I want to say PAPSO, who I think was playing for, I think

he was for Fullerton, if I'm not mistaken, a pretty good player. And it was, it was just fun. And from there, it kind of just started to move. I had an opportunity when Marcus Johnson, who was doing the games with Steve Fizioch at the time, was doing the All-Star game. And they actually had me go do a couple of national games pretty, pretty early on. And I got UCLA, Arizona at the McHale Center, and that was Hassan Adams, Andre Udala, Dottemeyer, and a pretty good UCLA team as well. So it was good, and it was fun.

And I started to get that itch, and I started to find kind of like a little bit of a rhythm of just allowing myself to understand my limits and my strengths and my weaknesses as a broadcaster and trying to find those out and grow, as I know you have over the course of your career as well. This clip is brought to you by State Farm. At State Farm, they know it's important to ensure the things you love. They also get that everyone has a budget. That's why they have options, like insuring your car and your home,

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My sophomore year was his freshman year. Right. Okay, so your sophomore year is his freshman year. And I do think people forget, like, he had a good NBA career, and maybe we can get to why it wasn't as good as it could have been. But his freshman year, he was such a freak. Like, he tore his ACL in that nasty move in the NCAA tournament. You know, he, like, landed awkwardly on the dunk.

But what was he like? What was the Barron Davis phenomenon like? It was like an N-1 mixtape before N-1 mixtapes were, like, really popular. Every day at practice, he did something that would make your jaw hit the floor. And then in games, I mean, it was the exact same thing. but people forget how explosive he was. And he could jump on the free throw line and dunk it with Ease. And the move that he tore his ACL on is still one of the best crossovers.

I think I've ever seen a person. It was against the two-three zone. And he was so quick out on the wing that the guy on the baseline for Michigan couldn't even step one step over before Baron was already at the rim with his head at the rim looking down as he dunked the ball. He had such a fun, natural joy for playing the game of basketball that, you know, as a competitor practice, you're like, okay, just don't get caught. Like, that was a big thing for me. Like, I was like, just don't get caught. Like, know where Baron is at all times because if they swing it real quick and you're in the health side position, he's probably going to smash it on you.

And so you just kind of, you kind of had nowhere he was because he was one of those guys that looked to try to dunk on you. and whether it was even in the NBA after tearing his ACL, the dunk on, Andre Carlinco, you know, Kevin Garnett, I mean, he had those moments even in his professional career, but going back to where he was in high school and when he showed up at UCLA, and I still remember the day he committed, and he committed on Fox Sports West. And it was like really the first time I think I can remember,

at least the guy committing on television. And the sound in the dorms at UCLA, the eruption of cheers, when Baron announced that he was going to come to Westwood was amazing to listen to you. And I didn't know they're going to get him. I mean, my teammate. I mean,

and then to watch him get picked, I think it was third overall in the draft, even coming back after that ACL was just incredible. Yeah. I mean, Herrick sold his son. What is he? He sold his sister or his,

he sold his sister like a Chevy Bronco. Like it was the dumbest stuff. Maybe a blazer. I think it was a blazer. It was a blazer. It was a blazer. It was a blazer. It was a blazer, and he sold it.

You know, who knows how they came up with the money, whatever, but there was like a legit transaction made. But just the idea that, like, Jim, I like Jim, Eric, but that shit was crazy. Just a level. So you had... And all that stuff was vetted, and obviously it was exposed. I mean, if you remember the L.A. Times articles that were coming out.

I know you were in college at the same time. But, I mean, that was a big deal. And there were stories about that written. and and Barron, you know, through the compliance department and whatnot, everything was considered to be fine. But Barron as a teammate was wild. I mean, it was fun. There was a picture that was posted on Instagram not too long ago,

and I forget who posted it. I might have been Earl that posted it. But it was a picture of Barron driving one of those service carts with Earl in the passenger seat and Geron Rush in the back, laying on like the back bed of the service go. It was inside the arena at Arizona State. They'd left the keys in it. And those three guys got in, took it on a joyride through the parking lot around our bus

after we were done with a shoot-around. But that was, I mean, that's just how it was. I mean, we were a little wild and a little crazy. But they were a ton of fun to have a teammate. Yeah. That year, you had, I mean, you had two of my AAU teammates, J.R. Henderson, Chris Johnson. He had Toby Bailey, who was like, he was like our rival, one of our rivals all growing up.

You talk about staying on the same teams, whatever. Baron Earl Watson, Jolani McCoy, same team. Same team. Like, that's a crazy, crazy talented team. Who you guys lost, what, to Kentucky? You guys had smashed by Kentucky. Why? Yeah, that was the game after Baron Tours ACL.

They came out and pressed us, and we turned it over a tonne early in that game. I mean, it was over within 10 minutes. That was at Tropicana Field, and the baseball team had actually not been completed yet. It was torrential downpour. We had to put those little wraps around our shoes as we got off the bus because you were stepping in the mud. And that should have been an indication of how the night was going to go, because we stepped in that mud.

We played like we were stuck in mud, and they just absolutely destroyed us. The other thing about that season, people forget about two, is Jelani ended up only playing a short amount of time that year, and then a suspension went into play, and he didn't play the remainder of the season. And so I always go back, and I always think to myself, like, if Jolani McCoy had not been suspended for a majority of that season, and then certainly for almost all of conference play, and then into the NCAA tournament, he was not available for us. if Barron doesn't tear his ACL, what that team could have accomplished. Because, as you know, with him being your teammate, Chris could flat-out score with anybody. And he loved to shoot the basketball.

J.R. Henderson still playing professional basketball in Japan. I think he's like his 23rd season or whatnot over in Japan, but extremely talented as well. And that group, to me, that's the one thing that I look back on at UCLA. And you look at not only that team, but then you go to the five. following year after that. And you've got Baron Davis, Earl Watson, and then you've got

Matt Barnes. Jerome Moiso, Dan Gets Reach. Jerome Moiso, who's a lottery pick for the cell picks. I mean, it was a tremendously talented group of players that I was for... Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending.

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And then when we lost Barrett, we got Jason Caponeo for my senior year. So it was always silly as far as talent goes at UCLA during that stretch of time. And look, I think personally, looking back on it, I think we did underachieve. And I think that there were times that I look at, man, there's no way we should have lost that game. There's no way we should have been bounced out of the tournament.

In particular, Barron's final game at UCLA, we lost to Detroit Mercy in the first round of the NCAA tournament. And there's no reason for why that should have happened. Did they go out? We had much talent to be able to accomplish that. Did they go out tonight before the game? I remember because we were an indie, and we beat we beat Hofstra.

No, no, the Hofstra of my senior year. We beat Syracuse and then lost to Auburn. And I remember we beat Syracuse very early in the day. And then you guys played, I think, later on. And, like, you know, there's like rumors. They're like, dude, I heard the UCLA guys went out the night before the game. And then you guys get beat by Detroit Mercy. And, you know, Geron Russ was bad.

Moiso didn't do anything. Barron fouled out. Yeah, Barron fouled out. And it was just bad, right? It was just bad. Now, I don't know, personally, and I would obviously tell you it's 20 years later, so I don't really care. I don't know if the guys did or not. I know I didn't.

I know my roommate didn't. But it was just disappointing. They went to a zone on us, and we got stagnant real quick, and we settled for a lot of bad shot. And we still had a four-point lead when Barron fell out with like 254 left to go in the game. And then after Barron fell out of the game, it just kind of the wheels fell off. the wagon and Geron did not play nearly as well as he's shown that he could and we kind of needed him to in particular that night. Your last game was what, Iowa State, the Iowa State game?

Iowa State game at the Palace of Auburn Hills in 2000. They were so good. We lost to that team twice. First time we got blown out at their place, second time close game. But for you to go from a guy who was walk-on. to scholarship and starting. Like, how long did it take? Did you have the perspective while you're doing it of how special an accomplishment that was at UCLA?

Or was it like the rest of us wrapped in the, like, I need to shoot more bitterness? And like, did you have the perspective of how incredible accline that is from a guy who they didn't offer a scholarship to starting your last season and part of your previous season? Yeah, it was amazing, Doug. just because, again, I knew how limited of a basketball player I was. And I've never made more of that whole thing. I think especially when I was in college, people made more about it

than it really was. I just felt so grateful that I had John Wooden to be on my bench for all four years. And I remember on my senior day, he waved me over and looked at me and just said, well done. And I was like, yeah, I'm good. I don't really need anything more than that. It was an incredible

ride. And my first start was crazy because it was against Arizona. Arizona was undefeated 14 and oh. I think there were 7th in the country. The game was January 2nd, 1999. And not that I remember, 8275 final score, we won. But

the day before, it was obviously New Year's Day. And we had a couple guys that, you know, hey, they just, practice was showing some signs of guys not being dialed in as much they need to be in. And Lab being Lab goes, you know, who wants to start?

I'll start. And he goes, fine, Sean, you're starting. I was like, wait, what? I'm starting at Arizona. That's all I needed to do to get a start. And it's funny looking back on it, but I started. And I remember I immediately went to our video guy who was a guy at the time that had come from Indiana. It was a Bobby Knight guy.

And I said, I need every move that A.J. Bramlett has scored on in the last five games. And so he went up in that back then it was D. HF. You know, so you're pausing, record, and play. Guy pulls off all these things. I was like, okay, if I can just take away, push him off the block a little bit, take away this turn to this shoulder, I think I got a chance. And so I went out and I played really well and I played some hard-nosed defense. We got off to a good start.

I scored the second basket of the game off an assist from Earl. And as I was doing that, I almost inside, like, you know that feeling where you're like almost hyperventilating, but you're trying to play cool, like you're really not. So that was a moment for me, especially because I didn't tell my parents, and they were coming to the game anyways. And so they drove down from Northern California, and they're sitting there. And when they announced me as a starter, just to look up and see my dad cry, that kind of gave me a good indication of that this was something special. And I never devalued those moments. And I knew, and for people that didn't understand at the time why I'd be starting over like a Jerome O.Easso or Matt Barnes, who obviously both.

of them went on for the NBA. Matt had a tremendous career of 15 years almost, I think. It was one of those things where Jerome really didn't like to start. I mean, he just was one of those guys like, I'd rather come off the bench and see how the game was going. Or Dan would be like, hey, you know, let me come off the bench. And I would go out there for like three or four minutes. I'd ball reversal, set good screens,

probably get an illegal offensive screen at some point in time just to make sure that they kind of knew that a screen was coming. And then I'd go sit down, and I'd watch the pros play. And that's the reality of what my role was, even when I was starting. And I accepted that and enjoyed it because I knew I wasn't a shooter. Like, who'd you want shooting the ball? You've got out of the floor when I started my first game, you had Baron Davis,

you had Earl Watson, you had Jerome Moseau, you had Ray Young, who was a really good shooter and a McDonald's All-American, and then you had me. Who's the last guy you want shooting the ball out of the floor? me. And I was smart enough to realize that and go, hey, this is my role. This is what I could do. But looking back on it, it gives me more pride than probably I had when I was going through it. Just to wear that uniform and to be out on the floor. This clip is brought to you by State Farm. At State Farm, they know it's important to ensure the things you love. They also get that everyone has a budget. That's why they have options, like insuring your car and your home, getting you great rates on both.

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It's, it's, there's a lot of fascinating elements to it. Are you a pay the players guy? No. No, and I always use myself as the biggest example. I mean, my points per game, I think for points per game, I might be one of the most successful college basketball players in the history of college basketball. And I say that jokingly. But, you know, when you look at the forum that UCLA provided for me,

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Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me, he goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Quarterback on office blue 42. Hey, ref, my mama want you to wave at her. What?

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Why don't? Look at one of my teammates, Bob Myers. Bob Myers is the general manager of the Golden State Warriors. After being a very successful NBA agent with Arndelam originally out of college. There were a relationship. that you can build and you can foster that can help set up the rest of your life. And that's why I think we are devaluing the college education a little bit right now

in a lot of these discussions that we're having. Well, I think what happens is when you and I say college education, people think of like the classroom. And one, the classrooms actually changed in which we went there, where I do think that a lot of the things they teach now are more useful instead of some of the things that were taught then. But it's about the experiences you have, the people. You mean, first, like, just getting into UCLA, like, you were a very good student.

You probably would have got in your own right. But, like, J.R. wouldn't have? Chris Johnson, he's a good student, but might not have. Barron wouldn't have? Like, it doesn't matter. Like, people don't understand how hard it is to get into UCLA, especially when you're from the state of California. They want foreign money.

So just getting in has a value. Going to the school has a value because, you know, in terms of your, this is post-tax. It's expensive. But, all right. But the other value is the experience and the people. that you're around and you're like you're a member of the UCLA family that extends that extends to all the basketball people all the coaches all the people in entertainment and you're in Los Angeles where like again like if you're part of the you're part of the UCLA family like

I just I don't understand that so many the people that have been through the same system like you and I have don't have a real appreciation for the doors that they've opened like look I I had Billis on the pod last year and I think he's great and he's great and he's He's become a close friend. But I'm just like, look, dude, all you Duke guys, if you didn't go to Duke, you wouldn't have these jobs. You just wouldn't. It doesn't mean you weren't a great player.

Doesn't mean you're not a good guy. It doesn't mean you not good with the English language. But there's a reason that Duke is such a powerful brand. It creates your brand and helps build you up. That's why there's so many Duke guys on TV. There's no question that my experience is at UCLA. Literally opened the door to being a college coach and to the TV. TV world. And when I talk about the college education, I think a lot of times right now we are,

we are in the get to the end result as quickly as possible type of situation. Look, I'm in favor of guys getting drafted out of high school. I don't know how you feel about that. I think if you're good enough to go out of high school, go. You want to get paid? Go. But if you walked into the college system, you're going to gain a lot of experiences through that. There's a young soccer player, a female soccer player. Her name is Olivia Voltaire. And I don't know if you've talked about her at all, thugger or know about her. She's 13 years old. She was going, she was already committed, by the way, to go to North Carolina. She now can't go to North Carolina. She signed a marketing deal with Wasserman through Nike. She's been in a couple of Nike commercials that were

shown during the World Cup. And she's now trying to play professionally, even though she can't technically play professionally because she's not old enough. And she's part of the thorns up in Portland. Like, you know how many experiences she's missing? Never mind the development and the maturity aspect of life for going to play in college. Okay. She's not even having a high school experience. She's not going to homecoming. Like, I think we're missing the, we're so at the end result of do they deserve money and should guys get paid more, you know, Zion, how much money did Zion make this year? People forget that coming into the year, R.J. Barrett was the guy we're all talking about was going to be the number one pick.

Right. I mean, like, he's a lot of money by playing for Duke. No question. He just had to wait until he could cash in on it. The same could be said for Trey Young the previous year. We were talking about DeAndre Aten. We were talking about Marvin Bagley. We were talking about Michael Porter Jr.

You didn't come into the college basketball season being like, man, Tray Young, he's going to light this place on fire early and we're going to make him the face of the game. No, he earned that. and then subsequently, even though he did not get paid while he was at Oklahoma, when he went and decided to be pro, he was able to cash in on that eight-month investment that he made in himself by playing in the college game. There is a brand recognition and a household name. I don't remember, and people talk about the G League, and again,

if you want to go get paid, go get paid. If you want to be RJ Hampton and go to New Zealand, do it. Great. Go make money. Awesome for you. I don't know how many highlights we're going to see of RJ this year. on television. I don't.

I know that we're going to see a ton of highlights of Cassius Stanley at Duke. I know we're going to see a ton of highlights of, you know, guys like Nico Mannion at Arizona. We're going to see a Cole Anthony at North Carolina. We're going to see a ton of highlights of those guys, and those guys are going to become household names here in about four months as soon as the season gets going. I agree with you.

I just, we do this thing. My thing about the draft of a high school deal is, I just, they're all going to go. Like, they're just all going to go. And then... That's fine.

And if they make a bad decision, they make a bad decision. We can't, you can't protect people from making a bad decision. But at the end of the day, I don't think it impacts the brand of college basketball. College basketball will survive.

Just as it did when guys like Kobe, Amari Stottomier, Al Harrington, there wasn't, there wasn't the... They never played. I understand. I think,

Look, I just think you keep it as is. And if guys want to go to the G League, they can. They want to go overseas. They can. Like, I don't understand this. Like, right? Like, you can go right to the G League. You can go right and play for a year.

They don't want to because what's going to happen is they're going to declare and they're all going to go and they're all going to be in the G League. And some of them will a lot of them will wash out and we won't talk about it. We'll only talk about the ones that made it. And that's and those are the stories that get relayed to those guys. I mean, think about the second round picks, the Draymonds and whatever. who have made it. Those are ones we talk about, you look at those drafts, and there's, you know, two or three of those guys are still in the NBA.

So, uh, I, I think... Well, the other aspect of that, would you rather be on a bus traveling to playing at some small facility, like, you know, and being in two-fold South Dakota? Or would you rather fly on a charter, staying at the best hotels in the world, playing on ESPN in the SEC and being part of Kentucky? It's not, not comparable. And by the, and by the way, like, You might be on that bus anyway when you get done.

So, like, enjoy. We take the joy out of basketball. We take the joy out of playing with guys your age. And because we, like you said, we're all about, like, how much did you get paid? Like, how much am I going to get paid? How much am I going to gain in terms of experience? I'll just tell you this. I played minor league basketball, played USBL, CBA, IBA, ABA.

And there's no question the basketball, the talent was, skill was better than college basketball. basketball. It was not fun. You know, waiting for checks, living in a hotel, traveling on buses, $20 a day per DM, no thanks. Like, no thanks. And I just, I'm not sure there's the right people explaining this to those guys. They only, again, see end results. And look, it's better now because now some of them train in the same facility, but they don't practice that much. They're not getting nearly the number of game reps. They're not being coached to, you know, to be a G. league coaches for the most part are guys that have are trying to get their first head coaching

gig. Many of them are young. Some of them are high school coaches. It doesn't mean they're bad coaches. But like, look, you could play for Tom Izzo. You could play for Cal. You could, you know, you could play for Shishowski. You could play for Bill Self.

Or you can play for a guy who's literally never been a head coach before just because you want to get those NBA socks, right? Like it doesn't make any sense. And we're, we're. I just were, I do think it's going to hurt college basketball substantially. I think the guys that will come will continue to grow. I think they'll continue to develop. We'll have plenty of people to talk about.

And sure, when the rule changes and guys get to go straight out of high school again, I do believe that's going to happen in the next CBA, that we're going to lose probably six to seven on average, top six to seven. if more than that leaves, then they're getting really bad advice. And again, we can talk about the DeAngel Collins of the world who made the decision to declare and to go to college and then we've never heard of since. That's going to happen.

And you can't protect people from making bad decisions, but what you can do is to give them the opportunity. And I think opportunity should be there, just as it is right now to go to the G League, just as it is right now to go overseas. If you're going to give them that opportunity, they give them the opportunity to play in the NBA. I mean, it's not going to make that big of a difference, at least from my perspective.

And I think the college game has endured. I think the pageantry of it, the environments that you go to, whether it's, you know, call a game at Butler, call a game at Allen Fieldhouse, call a game at Cameron. I mean, call a game at Rupp. And then I know you've been at all those places, Doug. Those are special environments. That's not going to change. Support for this podcast in the following message comes from American Express.

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And just to listen to the rock chalk pageantry of it to see the rules of the game of basketball to walk through that center area that has all that rich history of everything that is KU basketball. I just think that it's a spectacular environment to be at it. And if you like college basketball and you go there and you don't fall in love with it walking out, like I don't think you have a heartbeat. You know, Cameron's great. The kennel is great up in Spokane. That's one of my favorite places to call a game as well because the students just bring it every single night.

It's the environment that have the best student bodies that make the college environments the best. And then you combine it, you know, I do think Butler, Kansas, you know, Duke, you know, they're like cathedrals and how they're built the kind of the classic, plester, classic architecture as well kind of helps and then you add in the students and and great teams and it makes it more amazing. All right. Least favorite place. Just to think about that. I mean, because honestly, you know, you've been through all the big 10 places. Those are all great. I mean, you did this. Northwestern's new place is awesome. I don't know if you've been, but their new places. They're new places. Even when I did their old place,

it was still packed. I mean, I know it wasn't a great place. It was a bad high school gym. Their new place, honestly, might be my favorite new place. Like, it's perfect. Okay. It's perfect. I'd have to think about that. Like, in the FCC, like, everybody's pretty good. Like, that's where I've spent a lot of my last four years. You know, College Station, even when I was at College Station,

a couple years ago when Ben Simmons showed up. I mean, that played Fire Marshal had to kick people out. Yeah. I mean, it was insane. You know, I'd have to think, you know, like, Ren Events Center is a great for Irvine, you know. I mean, those are, you know, I don't do a lot of games there anymore. but like colony games there like that wasn't great

Firestone Fieldhouse is pretty low on the list like Pepperdine definitely See I think Pepperdine is like one of the all-time Overrated schools Because when you ask people about Let me explain my logic pioneer Because I went to Jim Herrick's camp back when he's the coach of Pepperdine I mean you had to walk up and down that damn hill to go to the stairs

To go to eat lunch But it has a great view But it's not on the beach right there's like the colonies over there, so you have the street, you have PCH, and then you have houses. Whereas you see Santa Barbara, you literally have dorms on the beach. Like the beach is part of the school. I would agree with you on that. And honestly, here was the thing about Firestone, especially when of the locker rooms were really bad.

The facility is not great in the location where it is on campus. Parking is a bear for people to come to the games. Nobody really wants to go to the games. A lot of local people don't get out. even that was when the team was really good. I mean, I was coaching the year after they beat Indiana and ended Bob Knight's career at Indiana. Yeah, then we beat them.

And we had all those guys back. Brandon Armstrong, Ted Seward, Craig Lewis. My boy Lala, David Lauerian. Like, that was a really good team. And we still struggled to get people to come watch games. And I think, to me, that's a big part of it. You've got to be able to, you know, Your student body makes up the environment, as I said earlier.

You've got to have people that are there, and then the facility has to be, have a great feel. And I think that's one area where Pepperdying desperately, and I think Lorenzo Romer is working on it, to try to get a new facility, something else there that they can take better pride in, because that facility, we used to train and work out downstairs underneath it, which because there's no student rec center is the exact same place where students are working out, and our players would have to wait to get on machines as a student was finishing up. That's amazing. That's amazing.

Okay. You are, I've done a lot of things with the American Cancer Society. You've done probably even more. You host the event, Long Kruger's event in Vegas. And you're putting on a youth basketball tournament this weekend at what, at Mamba? At Mamba Sports Academy out in Thousand Oaks, California. And, Doug, you and I have shared our own experiences. You lost your father, obviously.

I lost my father-in-law in November after 14 years, and the call to try to help and coaches versus cancer is a great organization, American Cancer Society. And I've been part of a lot of the event for five years now hosting that. I've been part of the national event now for the last three years and watched that event grow. And last year I ran a tournament with Russell White, who just took the job at Calhulu to be their head basketball coach from Crespi. And we hosted that 18 tournament, we raised about $19,000.

This year, we've moved it to Mamba. The expenses obviously go up when you're used in a facility like that. Thankfully, the Mamba Sports Foundation donated a couple of the courts for the entire weekend for us, and we've got to pick up the charge on the rest of them. But we've got 32 teams lined up for this weekend and some great raffle prizes that will be given out and have got one that's available online. If people go to my Twitter at Sean Farnham, you can see it. We've got two night state, the MGM brand, two lower bowl tickets for the Utah, Kentucky game at T-Mobile Arena.

Obviously, you have to pay for your own airfare and travel there, but a $10 donation to the link that's on my Twitter page. And that puts your name in the hopper for every $10 you donate. Your name goes in the hopper, and we're going to pull that out on Sunday and raffle away that item. I've got a couple of other items that we're going to be given away at the venue this weekend, including a VIP experience at Pauley Pavilion, the UCLA Department donated to courtside seats for the UCLA Denver game, as well as Valley Parking, as well as Pavilion Club tickets to be able to get food and drinks before the game and at half time.

We're trying to – we're going to create somewhere, I think realistically, I put it at $60,000. I think we're going to probably come closer about $30,000, but that's mainly because of expenses, and it's a year of growth for what we're trying to do. but this is going to be something that I do annually, and I'm naming the brackets after people that are close to me that have lost their fight with cancer or battling cancer right now, and we're going to name each division.

It's not going to be like a 12-U-13-U. Yeah, the teams are going to be those age groups, but we're going to have it, and their bios are going to be up next to those brackets so that people understand what we're doing and what we're trying to help and what we're trying to accomplish here. Too many of these tournaments, and Doug, you know it, they're making a ton of money for people, and that's great.

Profitability and being successful in life is awesome. But sometimes not taking a dime and really teaching kids, like, hey, you can use this game to give back and help others. And that's been the most important aspect over the last two years for me in trying to develop something where I feel like at least I'm trying to do my part. It's awesome. I will commit to putting my teams in it next year. We just, based on the timing with the summer and, you know, the schools in Orange County, Some of them don't start until September. So I just don't feel like, like, I don't go out there and get smashed with my 12 views.

Don't worry, Doug. I'm going to get you next year. And we're going to also look to move the dates because we run into some issues with some of the teams. I've been like, hey, we'd love to come, but this is a down period for us. And I was like, okay, hey, then I got to work with some other people. And, you know, luckily, because of relationships, guys like Ryan Silver who do West Coast Elite, guys like Max Piner, who does OGP, we're going to, we're going to. We're going to talk to them and try to figure out a weekend, or we're not going head-to-head

against one of their events. Yeah, they have a big event. OGP has one this weekend. Yeah, so we're going to try to avoid going ahead-to-head in the future and try to find a way that we can really maximize this and raise as much money as we possibly can. Awesome stuff. Follow, Sean, on Twitter. Let me give out your Twitter handle here, Sean.

Yeah, it's Sean Farnham. Okay. And Sean Farmer. I have the ad Doug Gottlie, but I don't know the password. I don't know how to get it. back when I was the ESPN, so I do at Gottlieb show. So, and if you want to get in on those, you go to his website, and you can get in on those door prizes,

or you can simply donate straight away to the American Cancer Society, your coaches versus cancer. Farney, you're doing great stuff, man. Happy that you're happy with your family. Keep it up on ESPN, keeping everybody in line and get up. And thanks for joining me. No problem, Doug. It's always a pleasure to talk to you.

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