The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Honest Aaron, Astros Woes, Belichick Reboot

Episode Date: July 29, 2020

In this full show edition of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, it's refreshing to see Packers' quarterback Aaron Rodgers be honest about his future in Green Bay. Also, the Astros have just started their season of punishment and Houston Manager Dusty Baker is pretty upset about it. And finally, nothing New England Patriots' head coach Bill Belichick does is by accident. He's looking past 2020 with what could be an underwhelming year, but a promising future for his football team.Guests include: Albert Breer, Eric Mangini, Ty Law and Bucky Brooks. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It is great to have you in. We are live and about to get steamy Los Angeles, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. It is IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS 1. We had quite a show yesterday, hard to top. Charles Barkley last hour stopped by, all sorts of fun. Joy Taylor is joining me. Joy, how are you today? I'm great.

We're about to get steamy. It's supposed to get hot in L.A. It's going to get started. Starting late today. It's going to get hot. Not that kind of steamy. It's like I didn't get the memo. It's supposed to get now.

Is it good because it's been kind of chilly the past couple days? It has where I'm at on the beach. It's been foggy and chilly, but they're saying it's going to get very, very steamy. So you know what I? It's funny about my wife. You know, once, twice a year, we have to have like the uncomfortable conversation about something, kids, money, whatever it is. And my wife just says, she doesn't like that.

Oh, talk about that. like, okay, today we got to talk about money. Money talk. And the reason I'm not a real passive-aggressive guy. You know, if I think something, I'll say something. And a lot of people don't like me for that. Not just on the air, off the air. I'll just say, hey, this bothers me.

I don't like passive-aggressive. And so, and I think the reason I'd rather people be aggressive is because, A, it's painful initially, you know, good news, bad news, what do you want to hear? I'm a bad news guy. Give me the bad news first. Let's get it out of the way and have a good life. So I've always been, hey, give me the bad news first. I like uncomfortable conversations because it's painful initially, but then it creates trust.

I mean, if that guy, if my wife can tell me the uncomfortable stuff, then I know she's not going to lie to me about the little stuff. And Green Bay's Aaron Rogers, I've been critical of him through the years because I think he can be passive aggressive. He went aggressive. He was interviewing on some podcast with Kyle Brandt, and I'm not sure, ring her or something like that. and Aaron went into the most uncomfortable conversation an older quarterback can have. I'm going to get replaced pretty soon. Here it is talking about Jordan Love,

first round pick for the Packers at quarterback. Was I bummed out? Of course. It wouldn't be. You know, like I wanted to play my entire career in Green Bay. I loved the city. I grew up there. Really, I got there.

I was 21. I'm 36 now. A lot changes during that time. But look, I get it. I see it completely clearly. And then I'm not bitter about it. It just kind of is what it is. Brady and Garapolo, they had this irritation for three years.

Nobody wanted to talk about it. In the end, New England gave Garapolo away for a second round pick because nobody wanted to talk about it. It's one of the bad moves probably not keeping Brady but getting nothing for it that Belichick ever made. Chandler Jones was not a great move and Garapolo for a second rounder is not a great move because nobody wanted to talk about it. Aaron's being brutally honest.

I'm 36. I've had two surgeries. You drafted them in the first round. Folks, if you draft the quarterback in the first round, they all play within two years. In fact, I believe the last quarterback to be drafted in the first round who didn't play in the first two years was Aaron Rogers. They're going to play Jordan Love.

They're going to play him at least next year. And again, Aaron Rogers is willing to have a big boy grown-up adult conversation. just look at the facts you know they traded up they drafted them i would say they like them they want to play them now i think uh quarterbacks are playing earlier it it gives you know give some latitude for young coaches and gms to you know to to play their to play their guys and i get it i really do like i don't harbor any ill will about it like was i bummed out of course it wouldn't be you know like i wanted to play my entire career in green bay i love the city i grew up there really i was Scott down was 21. I'm 36 now. A lot changes during that time.

Aaron's on a spaceship, apparently. I love this. Farve didn't end in Green Bay. Peyton Manning didn't end in Inby. Brady's now in Tampa Bay. Johnny Unitas. Peyton Manning, Joe Namath. You generally, if you want to keep playing, and Aaron does, you're not going to be in Green Bay. And he just, Aaron just took all the tension out of the room. He's just, Aaron just said, let's just talk about this.

You drafted him in the first round. You're going to play them. I get it. This is the Aaron Rogers I love. There's no, there's no, this is not being a disruptive player. It's being a totally honest player. I was told by my agent years ago. And it's the smartest thing my agent ever said.

The company you work for in the media makes the decision to get rid of you at least a year or two before they tell you. And I know that's true because in the last year, I've seen. two people who do what I do for a living, get demoted or lose a gig, and I heard about those conversations three years ago. That's the way it's working. Green Bay is having conversations right now about Aaron Rogers. Two collarbone surgeries. Appears to be slightly out of his prime.

Really super expensive. You know, can sometimes irritate certain executives or coaches. This is the conversation you need to have. Jordan Love's going to play early, and Aaron's adult about it. it, logical about it, aggressive about it. This is not a bad day for Green Bay. Aaron just took all that like tension in the facility. You can all, hey, boom, you're going to replace me. I get it. Let's go play. By the way, I'm not going to let you beat me. I'm going to be great for the next three years. They're not going to

I'm going to make the Packers have to make a brutal decision because I'm going to be great for the next two to three years. There's no tension here now. Instead of Aaron not saying anything and all of us, like guys like me, are like, oh, God, they put Jordan Love in for a red zone, offensive set. This is, oh, oh, God, he looked good in preseason. Oh, what are you? Aaron just eliminated all of it. Be willing to have uncomfortable conversations.

It's painful initially, but builds trusts, which at the end, wasn't the reason Brady left New England? Wasn't it like a trust thing? It wasn't because Belichick was a bad coach or Kraft was a bad owner or they weren't paying him. Like Brady didn't really trust they could get him weapons. Brady didn't really trust that they'd go out and spend money in free agency. It was a trust issue. Brady just didn't trust that they would get him what he needs to beat Patrick Nahomes and Lamar Jackson. To me, if I'm Green Bay today, I'm like, thank God.

Aaron just talked about the one thing we're going to have to kind of talk about for the next three years. Speaking of talking, Dusty Baker's the manager in Houston. He's very upset. Last night, the Astros, cheaters play the Dodgers, non-cheaters. And, of course, the Astros won the World Series a couple of years ago over the Dodgers while cheating. Now, that's not to say if they had not cheated, they would not have won. Who knows, but it was egregious. They were basically not just stealing signs.

They were stealing signs and relaying that information to all their hitters in Houston. who it appears were better because they knew exactly what was coming. Off speed, fastball location, blah, blah, blah. So last night, what do you know, a Dodger pitcher, sails a ball on a 3-0 count over the head of an astro, and Dusty Baker does not like it at all. You know, you don't throw the guy's head. That's playing dirty baseball.

I mean, now you're hurting with his, you're ending his career. and then, you know, what really enraised everybody is when, you know, he told Carlos, when he struck him out. And he told him nice winged-b-and-see, what he's supposed to do then. And that's a good question. I want you to remember that sentence. What are you supposed to do then? So what are you supposed to do, says Dusty Baker, if you call my batter a name.

So, Dusty, what are you supposed to do? when your team, the Astros, stole a World Series from me, and all baseball did was, you know, fire a GM and take away some draft picks. We didn't get the World Series. Dodgers didn't get it. What are they supposed to do?

This is a sport that polices itself. That is the culture. And what you're supposed to do is now throw the ball at Astros. This is baseball has the most, punitive repercussions in the world. Even in hockey, if I bang one of your guys up against the board and you send a thug out to beat on me, at least I can throw punches at you.

This is what you do in baseball. As Dusty said, what are we supposed to do? They called us a name. What are the Dodgers supposed to do? Taking away draft picks, doesn't get them the World Series ring. This is what you do. Well, he threw it his head. name the litany of players whose careers have ended getting conked by a baseball.

Dickie Thon, 80s, Astros, promising talent, hit in the head, played years later, but was about a 250 hitter. This is what you do. Listen, I'll never be in a drug cartel. But if I was, you don't steal from the boss. The repercussions, they lop your head off. I'll never be a mobster. But if I was in a New York crime family, I'd never see. sell heroin. The bosses don't like it. Why? You end up in the Hudson. If you work in baseball

and you are willing to cheat egregiously, these are the repercussions. They throw an orb at 98 miles an hour at you. Ribs, butt, shoulders, head. Listen, there are a lot of ways in life. I'm willing to push the envelope and cheat. Speed limit 60. I'll go 65. What am I going to get? A ticket? I've jaywalked before. Want to get to a restaurant quicker. Don't want to wait nine minutes for a light. What am I going to get? A $20 ticket?

I've pulled up before. Seven minutes on the parking meter. I think it's going to take me 10. I'll roll the dice. Ooh, a parking ticket. When the repercussions, you know, in football, I'm super aggressive, I may jump off sides. Ooh, a five-yard penalty.

So what? That's why so many edge rushers, they inch, they inch, they try to guess, they try to guess the snap can. If we're leading by a couple of touchdowns, you've got to throw. It's a five-yard penalty. Okay, it's second-and-five, not second-and-ten. But in baseball, these are the repercussions for cheating.

It's a sport that has the most punitive repercussions in the world. Soccer doesn't do this. Basketball, a hard foul. All right, get a couple free throws. Football, you're off sides. That's a five-yard penalty. Baseball, you cheat. I'm throwing at you.

High. Then don't. cheat. Like, you've got to know in your business, what's the penalty for the crime? And obviously, baseball is not a cartel or a mob family, not analogous. But there are places where the crime is a slap on the wrist. That has never

been the case in baseball. You cheat, you are a target for a long, long time. They hold grudges in baseball. I mean, forever. It's a sport that's history is everything. And Houston, 98 in the ribs, 98 high. That's what you get. Sorry, taking away a few draft picks and firing your GM

is not enough for the Dodgers. All right, good stuff today. So it's interesting, you know, I'm called old crazy pants over here because I have insinuated what the Patriots have been doing for the last six months isn't just wildly random. and now there are those in positions of NFL power who are agreeing with me

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Open your free Our Heart Radio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. Joy Taylor just made a great point. The non-alcoholic beer segment is now red hot in America. Like non-alcoholic beer is exploding in America. And I don't get it. And Joy doesn't get it. And Joy, your point being...

Well, beer doesn't taste that good that I would just drink it with no promise of any sort of buzz from it. Thank you. And I like beer, but like... I get no buzz and the beer belly. Right. It doesn't. Like a pinocalata. you can drink without alcohol.

I actually like them better without alcohol. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no rum. But what's the point of beer if I don't get a buzz off it and get it and I get funnier and laugh more? I don't know what the pitch is on that. I mean, seriously. I wouldn't drink beer on a golf course on a hot day if it didn't ease up my tension about shanking the last four drives. Otherwise, I just have a Diet Coke.

Right. That tastes better. It tastes good. Yeah. I mean, at the beer, like I love beer, but because it's beer. I have at my brew hall in Torrance, I have beer. It's not, it's alcoholic and it's very delicious. And you get, you get, you get, you have one and you call an Uber and you go home and, you know, fun things happen.

I can drink too, two whole beers. I'm not into this industry. This industry I'm out on. Non-alcoholic beer. Don't try to sell me on it. Not interested whatsoever. So, um, I have said, if people's resume shows me a history of being smart, prepared and manipulative, then that's who they are. Most of the media in America believes a bunch of things are happening for the Patriots in the last three to four months, and they're all just random.

You know, they just had a camera guy up in the Bingle's press box to tape them. It was just totally random. Every day we think the Patriots are just doing something, the Patriots say, you know, it just, we didn't have any idea. We find out that they did have an idea, and there was a plan behind it because there's a plan behind everything Bill Belichick does. yesterday finally an NFL executive went to Adam Schaefter and said about all the Patriots opting out at the same time he said Bill's mastermining all of this Schefter said for what reason and the executive said

I don't know but that's who he is exactly every time the Patriots get caught with something there's this we don't know what you're talking about and then we find out they knew exactly what they were doing you believe in the last four months these are all random occurrences what I'm going to speak of. Number one, they weren't remotely aggressive in free agency. Well, they always go after a couple people. Two, they let some really good players go valuable, like Kyle Van O.Aid they like,

that were marginally expensive. All right. Number three, didn't have any real plan to replace Tom Brady. Sorry, Cam Newton was not a plan. It was a bad news coming. Let's sign him. If it's a plan, you wouldn't have the rest of the market have a shot at Cam Newton. You wouldn't until everybody else had a quarterback.

That's not a plan. And number four, now all their players are opting out. You think these are all random? This is the least random coach in the history of the league. This is the least random organization in the history of the sport. They do nothing without preparation. But I think this is one of the few instances. where I think the fans get it over the media.

The media doesn't want to say tanking. And I don't see it as tanking. The word scares us. I don't think they're tanking. But I'll give you an example. I sold some Starbucks stock two, three days ago, at a loss. Now, why did I do that? I never bought the Starbucks stock to lose money.

But over the course of this year, I sold some stocks because I thought the market was too heated up. I sold some docu sign, some, Shopify, good stocks I'd had, I made a lot of money, and I sold them. But that means capital gains, I'm going to pay taxes. So a couple days ago, I looked and I thought, I need a loss because I don't want to pay all these taxes. And I look at Starbucks, and I'm like, you know what? I bought it to make money.

I don't think in the next five years it's going to do nearly as good as some other stuff. So I sold it at a loss. I didn't buy it to lose money, but I sold it as a loss to take a step backwards, help me with my capital gains. To get two steps forward, won't have to pay as much taxes. Nobody buys stocks to lose, but you sell them sometimes

to catch your capital gain wins. The Patriots aren't building. They see there's three A-plus college prospects and about three teams in the league that need them, and they've got enough draft picks where they can move in more. So we just, we keep winning Super Bowls. We've got a bunch of equity.

We're up against the cap. Let's let a few guys go, not be aggressive. Let's see what we got in Jarrett Stidham. And oh, darn, if we go seven and nine and have a nine pick and outside of Jacksonville, nobody needs a quarterback. We get one. I don't think this is tanking. This is not tanking.

It's restructuring. It's selling a stock at a loss to help you with some capital gains wins. Okay? So I don't see it. And the other thing, even my buddy Ryan Rosillo, who I love fell into this trap yesterday. He said something. Listen, listen, quote, to the end of this quote.

Belichick's not telling all of these guys, hey, you know what? Patrick Chung, Hightower, just shut it down. I just don't think Belichick is wired that way. I don't think football guys are wired that way. I think the only people that have ever really suggesting tanking or front office people that have come from like non-traditional football backgrounds. And I think Bill is still wired to want to win every single game, win this division without Brady.

And, yeah, of course they're going to need a long-term solution to quarterback. But to tank for a high-quired. quarterback draft pick when 50% of these guys flame out anyway, no matter who's evaluating these guys, I think it's to just punt on an entire year in the NFL is so foreign to these guys. Okay, so Warren Buffett buys stocks, like Belichick, he's wired to buy stocks and make money with all of them. But Warren Buffett occasionally sells a stock. Belichick is wired to win all the games, but he does see sell a little to gain a little. Secondly, this narrative, 50% of these quarterbacks don't make it was true by entire life. It is no longer true. Outside of Paxton

Lynch, there hasn't been a first round quarterback bust in six or seven years. Can't say Josh Rosen yet because he's gotten no opportunity. It's about 80% make it because the league has changed. It's more collegiate schematically. Players don't bust in the first round. If you get Trevor Lawrence, it's hitting. If you get Justin Fields, it's hitting. If you get Tray Lance, it's hitting. It's no longer a 50-50 proposition. Now, it was my entire life. My entire life, it was a coin flip of a guy made it. It is not anymore. The game is more offensive. The rules are more offensive. There's more college schemes. This generation of college quarterbacks has been thrown 10,000 passes since they were nine years old. These seven-on-seven, elite 11 camps,

it's changed everything. The bust rate has plummeted. Mitch Trubisky seen as a bust. He's got a winning record. He won a division. He should have won a playoff game. Double doink. And he's a bust. He's got a winning record. So it is not tanking.

It is, I believe, I don't believe these are all random occurrences. Because I think the Patriots are the least random organization in the history of the league. Just how I see it. Maybe I'm totally wrong. But I think they're going to end up in top 10 in the NFL in the draft. I do. I do. They just don't have any playmakers.

They don't have any special players. Now that Hightower and Patrick Chung are out, who are their special players that don't have any cam running for his life? Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, the Lakers could be missing a key piece when the season restarts tomorrow. Just one day away from NBA basketball, Colin.

So, Anthony, who's hurt? Anthony Davis? Anthony Davis. He left the Lakers scrimmage against the magic Saturday after getting poked in the eye. and he did not play in their last scrimmage and was also kept out of practice yesterday. Frank Vogel says there's some concern that AD won't be ready to play tomorrow against the Clippers. He'll be re-evaluated today, according to Wodge. The Lakers are going to be very conservative with Anthony Davis.

How do you get poked in the eye when you're seven feet? It's way up there. Listen, I like Anthony Davis. He misses too many games for me. You got to play. Got to play. Got to play with an eye patch. Be a pirate.

You got to play. I want playing. I don't want to be, I don't know, I want to play. I mean, look, getting poked in the eye is awful. Look at timeout. Boom. No, that's not what happened. If you ever seen an NBA player's like hands, it's very strong.

You know what I'm saying? Blocking. Fist. Boom, boom. Just right in the eyeball. No, I'm sure it's very painful, but it's just. I want guys who play through eyeballs. He's, I don't know about that.

But he does seem to always kind of have something going on. Yeah, always. They are a five and a half game lead over the clip. for the top seat in the West. The Clippers will be out without Lou Williams, obviously, and Montrez-Harrel. Obviously, Lou Williams is in quarantine, and Montres-Harrel has not returned to the bubble

from his family emergency yet. And Doc Rivers said Patrick Beverly is a maybe to play on Thursday. So neither team is looking like they're going to be at full steam. Obviously, we'd like to see Anthony Davis out there, but this isn't, while the NBA season is restarting tomorrow, and we're excited, this isn't a must-win scenario. I'm having a party. of them. I'm having a party at my house tomorrow.

To restart the NBA season? Well, just one person, but it's kind of a party. Nick Wright's coming over with tequila. Oh, very nice. Very nice. He's living his best life right now with the NBA coming back. Oh, he's the happiest guy in the world. The happiest guy in the world. Although I'm sure he doesn't love this, Anthony Davis news. So Janus has led the Bucks to the best record in the NBA so far this season, and the team is poised to make a deep run in the Orlando bubble. But Scotty Pippin still isn't sure Janus is ready to carry his team to a title. I don't think so.

When you talk about playing in the NBA finals, when you talk about making big shots with SACA's on the clock, you know, and being able to take those shots, their confidence. I just don't see him being ready right now for that. I know that, you know, he's made some great strides. He is still one of the top players in the game.

But in terms of his outside play, he's not ready to carry his team to a title. Well, I would say prove Scotty Pippen wrong. If Scotty Pippin's wrong, prove it because he's got two playoff series wins five years in the league. So Scotty Pippen at this point, very few guys, I mean, Kauai can, LeBron can, and then the list gets really small. I just, I don't know that we're being really fair to Yonis yet. Like, Janus, I think we think of Yonis as an older player than he really is. Oh, he's a kid, yeah.

Right. So the fact that he's not winning championships yet is not an indictment of his career. Well, hell, he's winning championships. He's not winning any series. Okay, well, that takes time. Like, we just, we just watched the last dance. It took some time to get. See, this is where you're good for the show.

I'm not comparing him to Michael Jordan. I am tougher on athletes and you soften. This is nicer. You're being nicer. I'm being too harsh. This is where you take the harshness out of me because I'm like, you've been in the, you're the MVP. No excuses.

In the crappy East, you've got to win more playoff series. I mean, I would like to see him win more as well. But I just think that we put this kind of expectation on Janus and the Bucks that they should just be in this conversation of winning championships and making these runs. Excuse me the best team in the NBA last two years.

Come on. I'm not saying that Janus is not a great player. Some teams are just built to be great regular season teams as well. But if you say that... And you notice that veteran teams tend to not really care about the regular season,

like the Clippers, because they have that experience and they know what they have to go through to get to the NBA finals. And it's not necessarily putting all the emphasis on the regular season. season. Not saying the bucks do that. I just think, you know, maybe you just pump the brakes on, and maybe Scottie's right. He's not ready yet to take his seat to the title. I don't think

Scottie is wrong. I can think you're great. How many people in this league can lead you to the Kawhi LeBron? James Hardin has not proven he can get you to the finals. Steph Curry, absolutely LeBron, Kauai. That's it, the whole league, three guys. Anthony Davis hasn't proven anything. We can probably have a conversation about Kevin Durant. But still, that's four guys out of how many guys in the league. And how many super stars in the league. There's superstars that can't get their team to their title. It's interesting he's going to get the MVP award over LeBron. Well, I think it's LeBron's MVP. I'm with you on that. So finally, in the Tom Brady era in Tampa Bay.

Are they still doing that? That's such a nerdy. That's so bad. He arrived at the Buck's facility this week in preparation for the start of training camp, and Bruce Ariens says Brady is already mastering the new offense. Yeah, I think he's way ahead of the curve. I mean, it's a very great guy. The terminology was the big thing. Again, it's a dual thing. him learning what we do, me learning what he likes, meeting in the middle and doing a lot of different things, but I'm not going to ask the other 21 guys to learn something new

when they've already had a good year and good experiences in the offense. By the way, if I had shown you that picture a year ago, Bruce Ariens with that face cover and with no explanation, you would have thought he got into an accident or there was a chemical burn or it is so weird to see people talking now in sports with face masks on. I think it's appropriate, but it's so, some of the visuals I see now, I'm like, if you had told me a year ago, this is what America's going to look like. I'd have been like, well, yeah, I mean, a year ago.

None of us could even have imagined this. But I don't know. I'm kind of getting used to it now. I like, not that I forget that this is going on, but it's just become like my life. Did you hear Bill Gates yesterday? He said, this is not the worst virus we're going to face. Like, we better figure out. we better stop arguing over the masks.

This is an easy one. It's not hurting kids. Like Bill Gates is like, this is going to be happening every several years. This is not one of the rough ones. Every several years. Well, I think. I mean, it's, yeah. I mean, there's always been viruses.

This is H1N1 was bad and SARS and. Yeah, that's true, I guess. It's the news. That's bad news. I don't know. I think it's good, though. Bruce Ariens has had health issues before. Yes.

Yes. He's been very clear that he is going to. He is going to take this very seriously and wear a mask, as everyone should. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. So I've complimented Aaron Rogers today.

Yeah. I've yelled at Dusty Baker. Yeah. I am not into non-alcoholic beer. I have embraced throwing at people occasionally even over their head with a baseball. And what else did I do? Oh, and I don't think Janus can lead. a team to a championship because I haven't seen it.

I'm tired of hearing about how great he is. I like him. Mostly everything's on brand except for compliment. Is it on brand? Kind of. Yeah. Non-alcoholic beer doesn't make, it doesn't make any sense to me. I mean, that's, yeah, three, three words.

What's the point? Doesn't taste good enough to go non-alcoholic. Yeah, I mean, the beer is, like I'm drinking the beer for the effects of the beer. It's not going to taste as good as a great craft beer. It's not going to be as good as a Heineken-Rostella, non-alcoholic. So what's the point? Just drink a Diet Coke. Maybe you should try one.

Hope they're not an advertiser. I might like it. I lost that one. Albert Breers around the corner. He's going to yell at me. All these media people think I'm nuts on this. I don't think New England's random. They're the least random team in my life.

The idea that all these things are adding up and now players are flying out, opting out. When's the last time New England didn't have a plan about everything? They have a plan about footballs and officials. They are the least ad-libbing franchise ever. I think there's a bunch of stuff adding up to it's a reboot year. It's not tanking. I don't think there is NFL tanking. I don't think hockey and NFL, there's too much regulated violence.

You can't tank. You've got to play 100%. But you can reboot. I think they're rebooting and Belichick knows it. Albert Brewer around the corner. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal. but encouraged.

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Good to have you in. Albert Brear's going to yell at me. Mangini next hour is going to yell at me because I think the New England Patriots are the least random team of my life. They've got a plan for everything. And I don't believe we have a series of random events where they had no plan for replacing Brady.

I mean, Cam Newton was not a plan. They gave everybody else in the league a shot to get him. They were not aggressive in free agency. They let marginally expensive players go. like eight guys are opting out. In four months, this is all random. Of course there's something going on. Bill's got a plan for breakfast.

He doesn't have a plan, and I think a lot of it is, you know, this is the year to go eight and eight. This is the year to go seven and nine. A lot of good quarterbacks in this draft. And I know people think I'm nuts on this. I just can't, the least random teams can't suddenly all these random things look like they're not quite as committed this year. I don't know.

Albert Breer joins me now, senior reporter, Monday morning quarterback. He knows the Patriot. It just, I can't, people that have never been random, don't suddenly get random. And listen,

stock pickers occasionally sell stock to avoid capital gains. Like, they didn't buy the stock to sell it. I mean, now I got seven players opting out. Come on, Albert. Something's going on, right? I don't think that the, I mean, look, they have a plan for this year.

There's no question about that. They're carrying $24 million in dead cap this year. They've only got $3 million in cash invested in quarterbacks on their roster. This was always going to be a clear of the next year because of where they were contractually with a lot of their guys. And of course, where Tom Brady was in his career. That said, I don't think they planned for these opt-outs. I think the opt-outs, I don't think those are random either. I think that's actually just sort of a product of the guys that they've had on their roster,

smart, responsible, well-off, accomplished pros. And you can look at the guys, Dante Hightower, in his 30s, has a newborn, has three rings, has taken care of his money. Patrick Chung, in his 30s, has a baby on the way, has three rings, has taken care of his money. These guys have the freedom to make those sorts of decisions. They've got the intelligence to look at what's happening in our country. And I think for a lot of these guys, you know, the Patriots sort of with a lot of these

guys, the Patriots sort of become a victim of their own success. These guys look at it and say, you know what, I've made my money? I got my rings. Do I really want to jump through all the hoops that 2020 is going to present for me? You know what? I'll take the year off. All right. That's how you see it. Okay, fine. All right. So we all know Aaron Rogers is great. To me, he's always been a tad passive aggressive. Yesterday, he went aggressive, and I love it. He basically talked about the gigantic elephant in the room, which is I've had collarbone surgeries, I'm old, I'm expensive, and the

Packers moved up in the first round to get a quarterback. What did you take away from his comments he made yesterday, which is, I'm not bitter, I know the end's coming in Green Bay, I'm not going to, I'm probably not going to finish here. How much do you remember about the summer of 2008, Colin? Do you remember, like, Brett Farf actually

showed up that summer to Packers camp? A lot of people don't remember that. Before he was traded to the Jets, he actually showed up and the Packers, in effect, kick him out. And so Aaron Rogers was the other guy in that equation when you had the older expensive quarterback who was very, very accomplished. So he knows what this equation is. And he's sensitive to it. Every player is a product of their own experiences. So I think that's a part of all of this. I think the other part of it, it's just how the Packers handled it before the draft. I think it would

have been very easy for Matt LaFleur or Brian Gutakunz to get on this phone and say, listen, there's this kid from Utah State. We really like him. There's a few receivers. we like too, but if Jordan Love falls into the area where we may take him and the receivers that we like are gone, there's a chance this happens. So I think that if the Packers had sort of gotten in front of this a little bit, even if it was just a day or two before the draft, they probably would have avoided a little bit of this awkwardness with Aaron Rogers because I do think Rogers' willingness to come out and say some of these things. This is a product of the way it was handled in April. Yeah, that's actually a good point. I've always argued if the Packers would

have just taken a receiver with the second pick. You could have appeased Aaron a little, and then you can go get your blocking tight end and your interior lineman. But to draft a quarterback and then go get a running back who was kind of a reach, the messaging from the front office to Aaron is we don't really, you are not really a guy that we're worried about asking you for favors or for draft pick. So I didn't like that either, and I think your points are really good one. So it's funny this week.

Carson Wentz is not in the NFL.com top 100, voted by the players. Not in the top 100. And then there was 50 executives. Mike Sando does this for the athletic. He talks to 50 executives every year. He does tiers of quarterbacks. And Wentz is in the bottom of tier two, barely ahead of Philip Rivers. I don't get it.

Obviously, I have a blind spot for the kid. Are you surprised by that? Well, I think it's just the way NFL people look at these guys and the way they assess guys. And, you know, I've had a lot of executives use that old cliche. The best ability is durability. The best ability is availability.

And really, that's been the knock on Carson Wentz over the last few years. And you can correlate it with what happened in college. He had a lot of injury issues his last year at North Dakota State. And so I think a piece of this has to do with his ability to stay in the field. Look, everybody saw what he did in 2017. He may have been the MVP of the league before. he tore his ACL.

But we've seen the Eagles succeed without him. So that's a part of it. We've seen an inability to stay healthy. Last year, he finally gets through 16 games. And then lo and behold, he gets hurt in the playoffs. And so, I mean, look, some of this is just rotten luck. But there's another part of this where he plays a certain way. His body hasn't held up.

And if these sorts of things are happening when you're 24, 25, 26 years old, there becomes the assumption that they're going to keep happening. And so, you know, we've seen even the biggest quarterback's Paul Vick. them to the style of play before. Cam Newton, 270 pounds, as big a man as you'll ever see at the position, he couldn't stay healthy playing that way. And so I think part of it is on Carson is on Carson Wentz now to adjust his style of play. But I think so much of this, Colin, relates back to the way that NFL people look at these guys. And it's different the way the public than the public looks at these guys. NFL people look at it and say to themselves, durability is part of

the package with every single player. So I'm from the Pacific Northwest. You know, I, I, I try not to root for teams, but it makes me happy that Seattle and Russell Wilson have found success for a franchise that, you know, been around forever and didn't win anything big. But I thought the move to get Jamal Adams felt a little desperate. And I think, and this is my big knock on Seattle, that they've had a lot of first round whiffs. The offensive line is now rated 28th by pro football focus. The defensive line is rated 32nd by pro football focus. And it feels like, let's bring in Jamal Adams. it's a big swing and he can cover up some of our holes.

I don't think they need safety help, like they need O-line and D-line help, but I thought it felt kind of desperate, given that up for Jamal Adams, what say you? I say this is a reach for their identity when they were at the top of the league, you know, and having talked to a couple of people there over the weekend,

they really felt like they're very, very close to having a sort of secondary that they have, had in 2013 and 14 and 15 with some of the young guys that they've developed there, guys like Shaquille Griffin and Trey Flowers, Marquis Blair going into his second year. Now they trade for Condre Diggs. And so they really felt like they were very, very close in the secondary to having what they've had in the glory years, which was the key to everything back then. And so what does Jamal Adams bring? The way that they look at it in that building, he's a smaller, more versatile version of Cam Chancellor on several different fronts. He brings a sort of physical presence that you

want. He's a tone setter in the secondary, and he's an alpha for that room. And so they really felt like a lot of what they were as a program could be reestablished by getting Jamal Adams into the building. And they never felt like they were going to be able to get somebody like that in the draft. And if you look at the draft chart, and this is really interesting, Colin, go and do the math. If you say that the Seahawks had, they're going to have around the 25th pick over the next two years, and you add up all of the numbers there with the draft value chart, what you'll find is, it comes out to almost exactly what the sixth pick would cost, which is what Jamal Adams was.

So they didn't feel like they were going to be able to find this sort of player, either of the draft or free agency. They were going to get one of these guys. The rare opportunity had to present itself by a trade, and there he was for them. Good stuff. A lot of clarity with Albert Breer today. Went to Ohio State.

I did not know that before I saw that. Go buck eyes. I'm sure all the Michigan fans watching the show love that as well. Albert, it's a pleasure talking to you again. Thank you so much. All right. Thanks, Colin. You know, the Carson Wens thing is interesting.

I've said this with Tua. A lot of people think if you're hurt in college, you'll be hurting the pros. If you told me I get Tua for the next 10 years and he averages 13 starts, I think he's that special. I'm okay with it. Just get me a competent backup. I'm dead serious about this. If you give me great, but it's not there every single day,

it beats average showing up to work every day. If you told me, Joy, you're going to be. on every Friday. I'd be like four days are great. One day I've got to kind of fill a bit more space and hustle more. If you can give me great, but you don't, you can't quite give me the perfect availability. I can live with it. Wence is great. I think two is going to be great. It could be wrong on that. That's my theory on this whole game of life. Okay. Lowe's. I am building a home bar. It's going to be almost done by the time Nick Wright is there on Thursday tomorrow. unexpected choice. Get inspired. Do it yourself

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So Joy and I have come to the conclusion on this. You know, I always said as I get older in life, I prune my tree. I don't need more stuff. I just want more good stuff. So I'm more into quality now than quantity. I go to the same three restaurants where I live, and I order the same two things. I've experimented all I want to in life. I just want good stuff.

I don't need more of anything. I just want to have what I have that's quality. And I was saying if Joy did sidelines for NFL Fox Sunday, and she had to go every Thursday night she had to go, and I got Joey four days a week, not Friday. Then I just, you know, we'd figure out a way to make Friday work. But I'm into more good stuff, not I'll take less availability. if the quality is high over perfect availability and the quality is meh listen if patrick mahomes

misses two games a year for the next decade and he plays 14 of 16 i will take that over elie manning's last eight years that's all i'm saying is that that you know this whole thing about carson wents is hurt he's still great when he's on i mean i feel like that's why you don't really like DAC that much. Is that he's there. Because I like that he is available, even though he is not at the, you know, Patrick Mahomes level.

But you would prefer someone like Carson Wentz who has a higher talent ceiling. And I miss him occasionally. It's not always available. If two misses two games a year for a decade, but I get the it and special, listen, Zion Williamson. Kauai Leonard is a great example.

Kauai gives you 60 games. But when it matters, he's good. I mean, I just, James Hardin gives me 80. but when I need him, he's exhausted. Yeah, I think I subscribe to this theory. My exception is DAC, I guess, because I do like that DAC is available.

But I think DAC is better than he gets credit for as well. So I think, I think DAC is better than people look at him. Like, you look at him as more average than I do. So maybe that's why I'm still in your camp. I have this theory about being nice. Like, nice people are wonderful, right? And you can be nice and also great at your job. But if you're more nice and just average as your job,

I would prefer you be less nice and great at your job. I agree. Like, I don't need you to be super nice, just be competent. You can't be terrible, obviously. Right. But you'd rather have somebody be a little less nice, but great and reliable in the moment. Yes. Totally agree.

Especially for work. Like, in personal life, obviously, that's not the case. But it worked. You've got to be good or I'm not interested. Yeah. If you're like, once a year you're a jerk, once a year I want to strangle you. I'm okay, as long as you're great. I mean, the spectrum needs to be realistic.

for this jerk status. So I think we've really crossed a threshold here is we're both into mostly, be great at your job, if you occasionally as an actor throw a temper tantrum. Every two years you're an actor, you throw a temper tantrum. But God, when the camera's rolling, you're Don Cheatel. You're Ed Norton, you're great.

Maybe that is the L.A. seeping into us because that is a very Hollywood mentality. Is it? Yes, to put up with complete and utter insanity because your talent is so incredible. Yeah, that's Hollywood. Is that Hollywood? Yeah, I don't think that this mentality we're talking about is really, like, I'm trying

to think, like, of many people in Pittsburgh would subscribe to that. No. More no-nonsense places do prefer availability and consistency and will make exceptions for talent. I think in L.A. where this is a talent-driven city, you will put up with utter nonsense. Because the talent here's so great. Because the talent level is high. I mean, who's the actor, Christian Bale? Guys, unbelievable.

He throws stuff once in a while. while. But every movie he's in, you can't take your eyes off, Christian Bale. He's so damn good. Ed Norton's difficult. Every film he's in I like. So I like, if you're given me great, it's better than average. And great talent is almost kind of synonymous with a certain level of unpredictability. Yeah. I tell my wife all the time. She'll be like, you're not here today for me. And I'll see, what do you mean? She goes, you got stuff in your head or you're not here for me. And I'm always like, baby, when I'm here, though, it's good. Baby, when I'm here for you, It is really good.

Sometimes I'm floating up there in Jetson's territory. You're not here today. You're not listening to me. Not really. I got stuff going on upstairs. I mean, yeah, I'm sure you ask our bosses. They'll be happy to co-sign that we're all out of our minds. Whatever.

Like they're stable. It's a crazy town upstairs. All right. So I saw this. The NFL top 100 players, NFL, NFL. Players vote on this. And players, you know, they like mostly accurate, But players like what they like, and they got Josh Allen in here.

Carson Wentz not. I'm out. I'm a Vegas car dealer. I'm out. List is stupid. But I'll tell you this. The top 10 has been released. Now, they haven't told you the order of the top 10.

But here's the top 10 players that they'll put them in order tomorrow. Stefan Gilmore, Aaron Donald, Derek Henry, D'Andre Hopkins, Lamar Jackson, George Kiddell, Christian McCaffrey, Patrick Mahomes, Michael Thomas, Russell Wilson. I don't know if I'd put Derek Henry there, but it's a pretty damn good list. But you want to know what defines great in the NFL. One guy, Aaron Donald. Not Patrick O'Holmes. Aaron Donald is so good in a clearly offensive league

where clearly everybody appreciates offensive players, he plays an unglamorous defensive position and he's an dominant number one player. When Lawrence Taylor was in his prime, if I would have asked you, who's the second best edge rusher in the league? You could have argued over 30 guys. That's how big the gap was. When Reggie White was the best defensive lineman, I said, who's second?

You'd have argued over nine guys. That's how big the gap is. Aaron Donald is so dominant in this league. The second best defensive lineman to players is a guy who's always hurt, J.J. Watt, at 45. Patrick Mahomes is great, but he's not as electric with his feet as Lamar Jackson. He doesn't see the field like Tom Brady. He's not as elusive as Russell Wilson. He doesn't have the lightning release like Aaron Rogers.

And Mahomes is great. But there are elements of Patrick Mahomes that aren't Russell, that aren't Brady, that aren't Lamar Jackson, that aren't Aaron Rogers. There are elements. Aaron Donald is the best at everything. He's the best against the run. He's never hurt. He's great in the locker room. He has 44 sacks and 46 games from an interior line position.

If I say who's second best, JJ Watt can't stay healthy. There is no second best. I mean, you, I mean, there are things that Russell Wilson does better than Patrick Mahomes.

No defensive lineman does anything better than Aaron Donald. He's the best at everything. Never hurt. Great teammate. He has doubled on every single snap and often triple team. And you cannot stop him. He is unbelievable.

He is the three, best defensive guys I've ever seen. I'm not counting like safety's Ed Reed was sick. Deion was sick. In the box, it's Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, Aaron Donald. That is it. I don't even know who's second best. And nobody, even the players acknowledged the number two defensive lineman is J.J. Watt. Aaron is a, and I love Fletcher Cox. And I think Chris Jones is special. I don't even think they're, this guy is absurd.

And our buddy Dave Wanstatt recruited him out of high school. He was not a big recruit. That Aaron Donald is unbelievable. How about this one? So I've been defending Aaron Rogers a lot lately, and I'm getting tired of it. But I defended him today. He went aggressive. He talked about Jordan Love.

I really liked it. Aaron doesn't like me. He thinks I'm always negative. I'm not. 90% of what I say is good. I think he's passive aggressive. I hate that. And I don't think he's the easiest guy to get along with.

I've got proof. But be that as it may, first ballot Hall of Famer, top six guy in the league. I think he's moved a little out of his prime, but he's still, you know, he's top four or five guys in the league easily. This, though, I couldn't do a show being nice. So the athletic did a quarterback tier poll. Mike Sandow was on the show yesterday. So he does this every year. He talks to 50 coaches in the NFL, head coaches, coordinators, all that stuff.

and they vote on tiers. And Aaron was in the first tier. That's fine. But when I read this, I cringe. Said one of the executives. You know, I've faced him so many times. He's the same guy. The weapons around him have fallen off.

You know, before they had a mix of young and old guys, a Randall Cobb and Greg Jennings, James Jones. I mean, Devonte Adams. He's good. I'm not number one. So the insinuation here is Aaron, you know, he just doesn't have the support. Time out.

Pro football focus. I trust them on O-line grading, Green Bay number four. Russell Wilson's O-line number 28. Devonthe Adams is a number one receiver. Aaron Jones is a number one back. Good O-line, star receiver, starback. I'm not saying it's perfect. But since Aaron Rogers got the starting job in Green Bay,

we looked this up this morning. He's had 12 pro bowlers on offense. some of them multiple two and three and four years. He said 12. Tom Brady in 20 years in New England had 11 in twice the time. And almost none of them outside of Gronk were like multiple year guys. It was a one-off. By the way, Russell Wilson, all his time in Seattle, six offensive pro boulders.

And I'm here to tell you, a couple of, Marshaun Lynch was a dog, but there's some borderline all-proes. So Green Bay is overwhelmingly been a rock-solid organization for Brett Farr and Aaron Rogers' career. Now, culturally, it is not a free agent destination. You cannot blame Green Bay for that. They don't have an owner, and it's culturally, it's a tiny, tiny town. So you can't blame Green Bay for that. That's just the reality of them.

I mean, I got nothing against the New Orleans Pelicans, but they're not as glamorous as the L.A. Lakers. That's not their fault. That's their reality. If you're five foot three, you'll never plan the NBA. It's not your fault. It's your reality. But Green Bay is a well-run organization. They've almost always given Aaron a number one receiver,

a really good offensive line. That I bristle at, that he just doesn't have the support. I'm not saying he's got Lamar Jackson or Patrick Mahomes support. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying he even has Peyton Manning his career support in India. I'm not saying that. But let's slow down and he doesn't get help.

Come on, give me a break on that. Russell Wilson's O-line has stunk since they traded away Matt Tunger. Four years of garbage. They can't get the tight-in position right. Doug Baldwin's his best receiver. He was undrafted. Come on.

They whiffed on a bunch of first-round pick. Green Bay doesn't whiff on a lot of first-round picks. Seattle does. So that I bristle that. And, you know, I was being really, you know, mostly say nice things about Aaron. But that one I'm always like, come on, come on, slow down. Slow down.

I don't want to hear about that. Green Bay's well run. There's five organizations. in the last 20 years that have almost always been well run. Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, New England. You would admit, though, they bailed on giving him a defense of any sort, though. Well, bailed or, I mean, it's not like they haven't drafted defense for three straight years. Bailed or top free agents don't want to play in Green Bay.

I don't think they bailed on it. I mean, they've gone heavy into the secondary, and they went and got two free agent linebackers last year. I don't think bailed's a fair word. I think they've, I think they've, I think they've given him more than enough help on the offensive side. And Aaron has been, he has helped elevate those players. Aaron deserves credit. Their defenses haven't been as good.

But there's a reality in this league. I mean, he's got to go out and put up 35 points every game to win. Hey, I'm carrying this network on my shoulders. You don't hear me complaining about it. Okay. God, I'm a jerk today. I really, I slept well too. I'll tell you what it is, that non-alcoholic beer.

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So let's start with a Jamal Adams trade. Let's start with that. So Saturday, I get it on my phone. And my initial reaction is, good, hell. Seattle gave up a ton for a safety. Minka Fitzpatrick got just one first round pick, and he's terrific. So that's my gut feeling.

And then you can peel layers back. But what was your initial take when you saw it? The same thing. The fact that Seattle was willing to give up two number ones really bailed out the Jets. Because once you start going after the owner, which is, look, he had gone after the head coach, he had gone after the organization, and then he went after the owner. So the Jets were going to have to make a move. He couldn't stay there.

So if you wait, you know that his value is going to come down. It's not going to go up. So to pay that price, that's the price that you would expect there to be multiple suitors where you had to push it. that high. Yeah. So Aaron Rogers talked about the elephant in the room. So if you were the coach, Aaron came out yesterday on a podcast and said, I'm probably not going to end my career here. I'm not bitter. But they moved up to get Jordan Love in the first round. They moved up to get him. I'm older. I'm expensive. And to me, my takeaway was he now releases all the tension out

the room. Everybody can talk about it. We're all aware of the situation. We don't have to walk on eggshells about Jordan Lovett practice. I loved it. As a general manager, it's like I can go up to Aaron and we don't have to pretend it doesn't exist. But if you are coaching Green Bay today, and Aaron's come out and said, listen, I see the future. I'm not in it here. Would it bother you? Well, I think that's the message that they wanted to send when they drafted the quarterback. When you make that decision, you're saying that we're drafting the future. And Aaron Rogers was the one guy in that team that was untouchable. And Aaron at times, look, I don't know him. I've never dealt with him from a coaching perspective, but I'm sure he's got a pretty strong personality.

And for a young coach, this sends a message to him and to the rest of the team that this is, there's nobody bigger than the team. If anything, it's a great situation because Aaron played extremely well last year. And now if he thinks he's going to be leaving either next year or the year after, you're getting an even higher motivated player because he's working on contract years. He's working on his potential future, which isn't going to be in Green Bay. But I don't think it's going to be next year, Colin. I think we're at least two years away from that.

Okay. So listen, nobody agrees with me on what I'm going to say. But nothing the Patriots do is random. They're the least random team in the history of the world. everything's got a plan. So they didn't really go after Tom's replacement. Cam Newton, they let everybody in the league have a shot at him. You know, they brought him in.

That wasn't aggressive. They weren't aggressive in free agency. They let really marginally expensive guys go. Now the whole team's opting out. I don't think it's the worst thing in the world to go seven and nine or eight and eight. They're not tanking. But good Lord, we got three A plus quarterback prospects. They don't have a quarterback for the future.

How can I not be a little cynical and think, This feels like this doesn't feel random to me. So tell me how wrong I am. Okay, you're completely wrong. The Cam Newton situation, that was a function of a lottery ticket. All the risk is on cam and that. They've got $550,000 in on Cam and what does Tampa Bay have, $50 million in on Tom Brady. So if he works out, he works out.

If not, they've got the two guys that they had before. In terms of playing for, you. for a quarterback, Bill's been a head coach. This will be 26 years. He's never drafted a quarterback in the first round. He's got two of his kids on the staff. This is a year where Tom Brady moves on and everybody's debating legacy. I don't think that he's immune to that. So the idea that he would tank or try to lose to get a top-tier quarterback, no chance. No chance. Tanking's the wrong word. Couldn't you say he's rebooting? It's a convenient time to reboot. Just like it's a convenient time sometimes to sell a stock. You didn't buy it to lose money, but if you're going to

take a capital gains hit, you sell a stock to help you on taxes. You certainly didn't buy it to lose money. But there are times where the timing, Golden State's a prime example. Golden State, they're not tanking, but Steph got hurt, clay's banged up. You know what? Just a pretty good year for us to take a step back to get a lottery pick next year. What if I took the word tanking out? He's rebooting. Well, look, I don't think that they knew that this many guys were going to opt out because they would have, nothing as random as you said,

and then they plan and they look towards the future. So if you had anticipated this volume of guys opting out, you probably would have done some things differently. I was surprised by that number as well. But it's, and I get your market analogy and I get your stock analogy, but this, it's not the same. He has to reboot almost every year. He's the king of rebooting, but it's always rebooting with the idea of winning the division and being a position to go deep into the playoffs. It's not rebooting in order to get a quarterback. He doesn't draft quarterbacks high. That's not what he does. And, you know, as a.

he as he gets further on his career, it's hard for me imagine he's changing that philosophy that dramatically. So the NFL, let's shift gears, top 100 players, voted on by the players. So some of it's nonsense. They got Josh Allen in there, but not Carson Wentz. It's stupid. All right,

whatever. If I said to you, I said to you, forget position, single best football player in the world right now. Who is it? Well, I would have to go with Patrick Mahomes. I think that it's hard to argue against what he's done and then the type of force multiplier that he's been in Kansas City

and the fact that he's he was able to overcome some of those leads that they that they had. So it would start with him. You're talking about league multiplier stuff. Okay. I don't care about position. So I would argue this. There are things in the league that he's not the best at quarterback. He's not as elusive as Russell Wilson.

and he's not as explosive dynamic with his feet as Lamar. He doesn't read the field quite like Brady. His release isn't quite as fast as Rogers. Aaron Donald is so good that there's no second. You can't even pick a... The number two ranked defensive lineman is a guy that can't stay on the field, JJ Watt, who has like 50th in sacks. Aaron doesn't even have a peer.

And it reminds me to Lawrence Taylor. When Lawrence Taylor was the best player in the league, if I ask you who's the second best edge ratcher, there really wasn't an answer. He was so far above everybody else. else. Look, Aaron Donald is amazing. Just look at him over the last couple years. He's almost 35 sacks. What was it? 45 tackles for loss and close to 65 quarterback hits. And everybody's planning to try to stop this guy. It's not like he's sneaking up on anybody. You're game

planning to make sure that he doesn't ruin the game. And he still has that type of production. Yeah, he's incredible at his position. he's an interior defensive lineman. You can slide the line and get some help for him. And then you can also keep backs in it and try to deal with it. People are game planning for him and he's that disruptive. Yeah, he's an incredible player. What was your first year in the NFL?

My first year in the NFL was like 1994, I think. So Lawrence Taylor was out of the league. Yeah, I watched a bunch of my dad growing up was a diehard Giants fan. So I watched a million Giants games. It's like the only thing we could watch in our house. So I got to see plenty of Lawrence Taylor.

Didn't, you know, didn't take much to know even as a young kid that he was different than everybody else. Was Reggie White out of the league? No. Reggie was still around at that time. Yeah. Because that's what Aaron Donald reminds me of. He's so much better

than everybody in his position. It's common the thing with defensive lineman is you you talk about that all the time as as a head coach and his offensive staff who's the one player that can ruin the game if we don't take care of them if we give him that with that single opportunity who can single handedly ruin the game and every single time you're talking about Aaron Donald and year in and year out he's barely ever missed any time once he missed two games in his career yeah so he's had impactful level of production a year and year and year out he's barely ever missed any time once he missed two games in his career yeah so he's had impactful uh level of production a year year and year out and miss no time. It's hard. It's hard to find a peer. Yeah. Sounds like you're backtracking on that Mahomes comment to me. That's what it's if they finally need. How can you possibly take an

interior defensive alignment over a quarterback? You couldn't. You can't do it, John. I don't know. If that's the way you see the world, I don't know. Okay. I know you're in a bad mood today. Listen, a non-alcoholic beer is reportedly taken over the world. And I said, I'm

moving to Canada. I'm not drinking non-alcoholic. beer. What's the point? Where did you hear that from the non-emolic beer commercials? No, Twitter. Twitter's totally accurate on everything. That's where I get all my news. Why would you go anywhere else? All right, Eric, good seeing you, coach.

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I'm reading this article on non-alcoholic beer. All right, what's it say? Well, it's not really an article. It's just like a top-10 list of reasons why you would want to drink. Like what's two? Not alcoholic beer. Okay, first one notes, no alcohol, it's good for your liver. Blah, blah, blah.

What's two? Two, it says it can help you cut down on your drinking. What's the point of that? Three. Three is healthy. It's not that healthy. Water is healthier. Water is healthier and has the exact same benefits of

not alcoholic beer. It's not going to get you drunk. It contains less calories. Five, it won't get you drunk. Again, I don't, I'm looking for the point here. I'd argue those aren't benefits. It tells you what's in it. I guess they have to list all of the ingredients.

Because when I drink beer, the first thing I do, check the ingredients. Always. It sometimes costs less. I guess that doesn't mean anything. It helps you fit in. to no group I've ever wanted to be part of? That's the worst reason. It allows you to support the beer industry in pubs and it's natural.

I don't know. None of those. I don't care about that. None of those are very compelling reasons. What group have you ever been in? You're like, hey, Bob's going non-alcoholic. Well, like sometimes, you know, when I was on undisputed, I could not drink during the week because I had to get up at 3.20 in the middle of the night.

Like at 3.20 in the morning, that's still the middle of the night. You couldn't drink during the whole time? I mean, Monday through Thursday, no. I mean, not if I want to function in the morning. Another reason this show is way better. It's a different schedule for sure. No, I mean, listen, I care about being great at my job. So that's a sacrifice that I made.

I made up for it on the weekends. Don't worry. But, like, if I would go, say, to an early dinner and everyone's drinking, you know. What a life, God. I'm still going to, I would just get a soda water with lime. And that's just it. Oh, what kind of? It's very early.

In L.A. That's not. I survived. It was okay. It was actually probably good for me. So Adam Gase was the target of a lot of Jamal Adams, complaints about the Jets. But after all the negativity,

leading up to Jamal's trade, Gase just wants his team to move forward. He wanted to be there. He just wanted a contract than a different coach. You can't have everything. He's going to get it, though, because he's great.

The thing that I don't understand about this Jets move, because they didn't really get, the Seahawks didn't get fleeced in the trade, right? Pete Carroll is not, he's capable of pulling off a proper trade.

They got a great player, a for sure thing, which I personally prefer over a bunch of draft picks, which you don't know what are going to become. My question is, you have the draft fix, right? You drafted Jamal Adams. Him becoming this great player is exactly the purpose of the draft. No?

But when you start calling out owners and- Okay, that was last week. I know, but you start calling out people. That was last week. How did we get to that points? Like, how do you get to this point? My thing is like this is on the Jets, right? The Jets may feel like, okay, he's out of there.

And look, I don't know what went on behind closed doors. We're basing all of our statements off of the information that we know. I just feel like rarely does this happen in a situation where the culture is solid, right? Like you want players who want to be there. Although Pittsburgh had a lot of. And I would say that Pittsburgh's culture has not been that steady over the past couple years. They've been incredibly noisy for the Steelers. like they've been very off brand for the Steelers.

So when things are being run well, and overall, the Steelers are well-run organizations, certainly better than the Jets and certainly have had more success. But I just think that this is not, this is not all on Jamal Adams. Like, I don't, I have a hard time believing

that he just freaked out. Like, what is the relationship with your head coach and your star players? Yeah. If I was, if you can't get along with your stars, how is it going with the rest of the team?

My rule on this, it's almost a, in all businesses. I'm a believer in no friendly fire. Like if I owned a team, I'd be like, listen, here's the only rule in the building, no friendly fire. It's hard enough to win in this league.

I don't want players taking shots at coaches, coaches taking shots at GMs, and GMs taking shots at owners. So for me, the minute, if I ran a team or owned a team, the minute a player took shots at us, I'd be out. But for me, I'm very sensitive on that.

No, I'm with you. That's called mind your own business. Yeah, I don't like friendly fire. It's called, It's called Keep Things Behind Closed Doors. Yeah, so like if I own the team, I would literally do one meeting a year with my team. I would come up because I would not be a meddling owner. I would say, I'd put everybody in front and I'd say, listen, if you're pissed, I'm going to be here four days a week.

One day I'm into Bahamas because I'm rich. I'm going to be here four days a week. You come yell at me. Do not put it in the New York case. No, no, you've got to keep your dirty laundry behind closed doors. You and I have had moments were unhappy. Just yell at me. Just don't go to the L.A. time.

That's all I do. I just scream a calling. So Tua has arrived at Dolphins facility to start his first NFL training camp and many questions about his health have been put to bed. Ryan Flores confirmed today that he has passed his team physical and will be able to practice without limitations. He's limping there. He is only. Time out. That's a limp.

That's not a limp. He's just walking. That's a limp. That's not a limp. He's literally just walking. That's a, hey. Listen, you got a little swag. You got to put a little.

You got to put a little delay in the wops. You think that's a swag. I think that's a limp. I think that's the future of the Miami Dolphins right there. Some people. No, I'm not, like, I'll joke aside. I don't, I don't see a limp to me. You don't think he's just walking.

That's a limp. Well, he's not limping because he just passed his physical and he's able to practice without any limitations. He's eight months out of his hip injury. I think so. I think we have a new lead. No, you don't. This is, you're not. You don't see any limp there.

No. He's just walking. Where's the live? If NBC News doesn't lead with us tonight, it's a, it's dereliction of their duties. He's literally just walking. Okay, I'm dead serious. That looks like a limp.

I mean, how's he supposed to walk? Wow. Now he's got a little. Am I the only one seeing that? Go to Twitter right now, people. Hold on. Go to Twitter right now. I'm literally telling you that he passed the physical and he can practice without limitations.

If he is limping, that would not be the case. I want everybody. Okay. Put up on my thing. Put up on my thing. little bird. Limping or cool walking with Tua? Put up a pole.

Whoever does that for this company. I don't even know who does that. Wesley, get on that. We're not going to have time for Tye Law the next segment. Let's push him to last hour because I am dead. This is a, I'm not crazy on this. You are.

He's just walking. All right. Are we done? Yes. All right, Joey with the news. Maybe we do have time for Tull off. That's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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MDrive from N.com. A supplement every day. Seven nutrients, six proteins, good stuff. Let's go to Tilea. Hall of Famer, 15 years in the NFL, a Patriot for a long time, and he is joining us. All right, let's start with this. I'm going to show you a piece of video.

And I love Tua. I love him. and I would have drafted him regardless of the hip. But I just saw a piece of video. Ty, that looks like a limp to me. Is it? I want to say it's swag. That's what I want to say, but it should look like a limp.

So if it's swag, his swag ain't on point right now with that one. Okay, so Joy thinks it's just kind of a cool walk. Yeah, that might be his cool walk. That might be, you know, Alabama thing. They walked in. Okay, you got me on that one. I don't know if that's true. I just, I worry about it because now somebody did say there was a new tree there that could be landscaping and rocks around the tree.

I think that's a good effort, but I don't think that's it. All right, we're going to put a poll up on my Twitter. Okay, I want to get to two things. As a former defensive back, the Jamal Adams trade, the Jets got a lot, but Seattle got a great player. What was your initial reaction to the trade? One, if you have a leader like that in your locker room with New York Jets, why not try to find a way to keep them? But I understand if you give up that much for a player, this is a team sport. I think he is a great player.

He's going to make a major impact wherever he's at. But two first rounders and more, you got to get out of. It's not a quarterback, you know, at the end of the day. the day. So, you know, I love Jamal Adams, what he stands for, how he plays the game, his aggressiveness, his physicality. But at the end of the day, this is a business. And when you give up two first rounders and some, hey, you got to go. So what do you make of all these players, six, seven players for the Patriots, more than any NFL team opting out? Explain it to me. Is it a shot at Belichick? Why? Why? Why the

patriots opting out? Would they do this if Brady was there? I don't get it. You tell me. You know what? I think there's a lot of things going on right now in the world that is more important in sports. And as much as they're trying, as far as NFL to follow the guidelines of the CDC, people have families and kids. So I don't think there's any right or wrong answer. If I was playing, you know, being a team player, I would check and see what's going on first. And I would have to consider my family. I'm not saying that I would be one of those guys that would opt out, but I would have to have a clear understanding of what's really going on. And it's not getting any better anytime soon. So it is a very scary thing. I know a lot of players that I've talked to

right now are in a tough position because they don't know what to do. People are having newborns. People have elderly mothers, grandparents. So all those things is so much unknown right now, but to give anybody say anything negative about them when it comes to not wanting to play, I don't think that is fair at all. I mean, I think everyone has the right to do what's best for them and their family. So, I mean, I have nothing negative to say, but I don't think it's a knock on the Patriots.

I think it's about it's the times of the unknown when it comes to the COVID-19. And they also, the players opting out for New England are mostly veterans who have made some good money. So Aaron Roger. and got Super Bowl rings. That's right. Yeah, so if you got money in rings, why risk it? I get that. So Aaron Rogers came out yesterday, Aaron, and he was brutally honest.

He said, yeah, they moved up to pick Jordan Love. I'm not stupid. I'm not going to end my career here. I get it. I'm not bitter about it. I know it. When you were in the NFL, go back, did you have this understanding at some point? It's not going to end the way I want.

Did you sense it a year or two before it happened? Oh, absolutely. You know that the NFL stands for not for long. This is a business at the end of the day. Even the great Tom Brady, the greatest that ever played the game, he's playing for another team right now, as funny as that seems to everybody. But if you play this game long enough,

you will find yourself on another team at some point. There's a select few players that get to finish their career. But because of the way the business is set up in free agency and opportunities that you can create for yourself, or if you get cut, it's just the name of the game. So, Anne Roger, he's not exempt, just like Tom Brady wasn't exempt. Jerry Rice. I'm talking about Joe Montan.

I'm talking about all the goats of the game. No one is exempt from the business of the NFL, and Aaron Rogers understands that. Yeah. By the way, V1 Vodka, that's the, you're just, you've been very successful in business. What is it? Mm-hmm. Oh, V1Vodka is my new venture. I partnered with Paul Koza.

is absolutely the best vodka in the world. And to prove it, we have partnered with the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And they chose us because they said what's in the side of our bottle represents what the Pro Football Hall of Fame is. And that's excellent. So we have excellence in the bottle. I have a signature drink called the Pick Six. I got to put it up because this is my favorite one. Cucumber, lemonade, splash yourself.

So it's called the Pick Six. So this is this drink of the summer. But everybody go out there and get it. But I can't say enough about it. I appreciate you having me on to be able to talk about it, but V1 is 100% spelt, you know, and that's what the one is for. We use one ingredient. We need not all over the place, and it's the highest ingredients, the ancient grain.

So check it out. I promise you it's the best vodka you ever tasted. And lastly, I got to say I have 30 tests, 30 taste test. And I swear, Colin, and I know somebody at some point is going to have a difference of opinion. But for right now, I'm 30 for 30 on taste test, and I put up every Baca that you can name and put it next to V1s to some of my close friends and family, and they all pick V1. So I know I have something special here, and I can't wait for everybody to taste it. And right now we are with Republic for our national distribution, and we're coming to a city near you. So if it's not in your city, ask for it.

Ty, it's great seeing you, buddy. Thanks. All right. Appreciate it, guys. Thanks for having me. It's B1. V1. There you go.

V1. See, you got a little vodka. Come on the show. You bring that non-alcoholic beer. You do it another show. This show's not interested in promoting a non-alcoholic beer. Boy, I hope they're not a sponsor. They'll be backing out of this show in two minutes.

Showcase show. Let me see if our social team. It's up. The poll's up. It is up already. Yeah. Because if it wasn't, people are, you know, we're very demanding here. I want to see what it is.

Okay, I got somebody calm. I'm telling you, it's just, it's just his swag. All right, somebody's calm. I'm going to vote walking so I can see. Walking is winning. 53.3% say walking, 46.7% say limping. Is it on, that's not on my, hold on.

Let me put it on my site. It's on the herd. Okay, that's on the herd, Twitter. Let's do this. Is to a limping or walking? I think it's a clear limp. I don't even, I think it's a, show it again. He's cleared for all full.

ball activity. We've already got 1,600 boats. It's been up 40 seconds. All right. So, how's he supposed to walk? I'm just telling you, that's not a natural, that is a limp. It's not. He's got flavor. He's going to have a, he's going to have a little. What do you mean a flavor? What does that mean? He's swag. Like, he's, he's the future of the Miami Dolphins. He's too. He's a superstar. Okay, I'm going to walk. I'm going to walk on set. Is a camera ready? I can't wait to see it. Okay, I'm going to walk on set. Be ready. this. You can talk. Yes. We are watching to see

if just walk natural. Yeah. Okay. Or this. He's not walking like that. You're putting a whole extra like where's your cane? You think you honestly, I think I just did something that was revolutionary. I think I was a revolutionary radio

moment. I just think you're really exaggerating that. Okay. I don't know. I'm not saying I got swag, but there's something, that's not right. Guys, the lawnmower 3.0, skin-safe technology, tremor reduces cuts, free shipping, 20% off. Manscape.com code herd,

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We are on Fox Sports Radio, and we are on FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me, missing some great television, very great television. Got to see Colin Walk. Yeah. A lot of stuff today is going on.

I saw a story this week. You know, sometimes it's weird what the media is fascinated with and what they're not. Did you see the biggest story? Like, I'm not a UFO guy at all. Like, I do think there's things that are, it's mostly lights or other countries. Did you see where Harry Reid came out and acknowledged, this is a 40, 50 year politician, that we have pieces of spacecraft that are not from this earth? That's like a real story.

Only if you didn't always believe in aliens. Well, I don't believe in ghosts. I don't believe in aliens. You mean you don't believe in ghosts? I believe in goats. I do not believe in ghosts. I don't believe in ghosts. A lot of bars today, Con.

No, I've never, I don't believe in ghosts. Okay, there's definitely ghosts. I mean, so you think they're like... I mean, I don't think they're like flying around the house and a, you know... But you believe in ghosts. Looking like a sheet with black eyeballs. Of course there's ghosts. What I mean, of course there's good?

There's not, you think there's spirits? Yeah. Oh, good Lord. Okay, anyway. So I don't. I've seen ghosts before. Where? In Mexico.

You saw a ghost. In a pool. I was sitting out on a chair at night and there's like a little girl. Just walked up. You never told me this story. I've been with you two years. I was like going to just start. Hey, you're going to hear my ghost story?

So I never, I don't, I don't mean to waste your time, but I want to talk about this. So I don't believe in UFOs, but I saw one. Right. I drove from Eastern Washington University to my hometown on the coast of Washington. It's about a five-hour drive. It's sleepy. It was night. So I drove over the Cascade Mountains.

I grew up in a snake-shaped driveway. Our house was on a hill. And I've told this story before on radio. So I pull up to it, and Mark Fisher, who's now a physical therapist in Granite Bay, California, is sitting next to me asleep. And I go, Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark. There's a glowing thing over our Frank Lloyd Wright house. It's a flat roof.

And I'm like, what is that? He's like, I don't know. I pull into the driveway. It goes out and up. And I mean fast. So I walk into the house of my mom and I'm like, mom, did you hear anything? And she's like, no, I didn't hear anything.

And she's a light sleeper. And I'm like, okay, I'm not making this up. I wouldn't. Why would I do it? But that said, I cannot believe it's from another planet. But I will tell you this. the Russians have spaceships that just wanted to come visit your house.

Yeah, I just think other countries are spying on us and it's a drone-like feature. When you were, how old? All right. Anyway, I'm just kind of off the rail here. There's definitely aliens. It's a very human thing to imagine that we are the only intelligent life in the entire universe.

I don't think it's that hard. I've been at companies I've been the only smart guy there. They've seen what we got going on and they don't have time for that. Like, skip this planet. I'll start with this. I'm very critical of Aaron Rogers and very critical of Aaron Rogers. He was on Kyle Brandt's podcast, and he had this to say, and I liked it. Was I bummed out?

Of course. It wouldn't be. You know, like I wanted to play my entire career in Green Bay. I loved the city. I grew up there. Really, I got there. I was 21. I'm 36 now.

A lot changes during that time. But look, I get it. completely clearly and then I'm not bitter about it. It just kind of is what it is. Brady and Garapolo, they had this irritation for three years. Nobody wanted to talk about it. In the end, New England gave Garapolo away for a second round pick because nobody wanted to talk about it.

It's one of the bad moves probably not keeping Brady, but getting nothing for it that Belichick ever made. Chandler Jones was not a great move, and Garapolo for a second rounder is not a great move. because nobody wanted to talk about it. Aaron's being brutally honest. I'm 36. I've had two surgeries.

You drafted them in the first round. Folks, if you draft the quarterback in the first round, they all play within two years. In fact, I believe the last quarterback to be drafted in the first round who didn't play in the first two years was Aaron Rogers. They're going to play Jordan Love. They're going to play him at least next year. And again, Aaron Rogers is willing to have a big boy grown-up adult conversation.

just look at the facts you know they traded up they drafted them i would say they like them they want to play them now i think uh quarterbacks are playing earlier it it gives you know give some latitude for young coaches and gms to you know to to play their to play their guys and i get it i really do i don't harbor any ill will about it like was i bummed out of course it wouldn't be you know like i wanted to play my entire career in green bay i love the city i grew up there really i was Got down was 21. I'm 36 now. A lot changes during that time. Aaron's on a spaceship, apparently. I love this. Farve didn't end in Green Bay. Peyton Manning didn't end in Inby. Brady's now in Tampa Bay. Johnny Unitas.

Peyton Manning, Joe Namath. You generally, if you want to keep playing, and Aaron does, you're not going to be in Green Bay. And he just, Aaron just took all the tension out of the room. He's just, Aaron just said, let's just talk about this. You drafted him in the first round. You're going to play him. I get it. This is the Aaron Rogers I love. There's no, there's no, this is not being a disruptive player. It's being a totally honest player.

I was told by my agent years ago. And it's the smartest thing my agent ever said. The company you work for in the media makes the decision to get rid of you at least a year or two before they tell you. And I know that's true because in the last year, I've seen two people who do what I do for a living get demoted or lose a gig, and I heard about those conversations three years ago. That's the way it's working. Green Bay is having conversations right now about Aaron Rogers. Two collarbone surgeries.

Appears to be slightly out of his prime. Really super expensive. You know, can sometimes irritate certain executives or coaches. This is the conversation you need to have. Jordan Love's going to play early. and Aaron's adult about it, logical about it, aggressive about it, this is not a bad day for Green Bay.

Aaron just took all that like tension in the facility. Hey, boom, you're going to replace me. I get it. Let's go play. By the way, I'm not going to let you beat me. I'm going to be great for the next three years. They're not going to, I'm going to make the Packers have to make a brutal decision because I'm going to be great for the next two to three years.

There's no tension here now. Instead of Aaron not saying anything, and all of us, like guys like me, are like, oh, God, they put Jordan Love in for a red zone, offensive set. This is, oh, oh, God, he looked good in preseason. Oh, what are you? Aaron just eliminated all of it. Be willing to have uncomfortable conversations.

It's painful initially, but builds trusts, which at the end, wasn't the reason Brady left New England? wasn't it like a trust thing? It wasn't because Belichick was a bad coach or Kraft was a bad owner. They weren't paying him. Like Brady didn't really trust they could get him weapons. Brady didn't really trust that they'd go out and spend money in free agency. It was a trust issue.

Brady just didn't trust that they would get him what he needs to beat Patrick Nahomes and Lamar Jackson. To me, if I'm Green Bay today, I'm like, thank God. Aaron just talked about the one thing. we're going to have to kind of talk about for the next three years. Speaking of talking, Dusty Baker's the manager in Houston. He's very upset. Last night, the Astros, cheaters play the Dodgers, non-cheaters. And, of course, the Astros won the World Series a couple of years ago over the Dodgers while cheating.

Now, that's not to say if they had not cheated, they would not have won. Who knows, but it was egregious. They were basically not just stealing signs. They were stealing signs and relaying that in the first. information to all their hitters in Houston, who it appears were better because they knew exactly what was coming. Off speed, fastball location, blah, blah, blah. So last night, what do you know, a Dodger pitcher sails a ball on a 3-0 count over the head of an astro, and Dusty Baker does not like it at all. You know, you don't throw the guy's head. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, now you're, uh, is, uh, uh, uh, you know,

his career. And then, you know, what really enraged everybody is when, you know, he told Carlos when he struck him out. And he told him nice winged bha-and see what he's supposed to do then. And that's a good question. I want you to remember that sentence. What are you supposed to do then? So what are you supposed to do, says Dusty Baker, if you call my batter a name. So, Dusty, what are you supposed to? to do when your team, the Astros, stole a World Series from me. And all baseball did was, you know, fire a GM and take away some draft picks. We didn't get the World Series.

Dodgers didn't get it. What are they supposed to do? This is a sport that polices itself. That is the culture. And what you're supposed to do is now throw the ball at Astros. This is baseball has the most. punitive repercussions in the world. Even in hockey, if I bang one of your guys up against the board and you send a thug out to

beat on me, at least I can throw punches at you. This is what you do in baseball. As Dusty said, what are we supposed to do? They called us a name. What are the Dodgers supposed to do? Taking away draft picks, doesn't get them the World Series ring. This is what you do. Well, he threw it his head.

name the litany of players whose careers have ended getting conked by a baseball. Dickie Thon, 80s, Astros, promising talent, hit in the head, played years later, but was about a 250 hitter. This is what you do. Listen, I'll never be in a drug cartel. But if I was, you don't steal from the boss. The repercussions, they lop your head off. I'll never be a mobster. But if I was in a New York crime family, I'd never see.

sell heroin. The bosses don't like it. Why? You end up in the Hudson. If you work in baseball and you are willing to cheat egregiously, these are the repercussions. They throw an orb at 98 miles an hour at you. Ribs, butt, shoulders, head. Listen, there are a lot of ways in life. I'm willing to push the envelope and cheat. Speed limit 60. I'll go 65. What am I going to get? A ticket? I've jaywalked before. Want to get to a restaurant quicker. Don't want to wait nine minutes for a light. What am I going to get?

A $20 ticket. I've pulled up before. Seven minutes on the parking meter. I think it's going to take me 10. I'll roll the dice. Ooh, a parking ticket. When the repercussions, you know, in football, I'm super aggressive.

I may jump off sides. Ooh, a five-yard penalty. So what? That's why so many edge rushers, they inch, they inch, they try to guess, they try to guess the snap can. If we're leading by a couple of touchdowns, you've got to throw. It's a five-yard penalty.

Okay, it's second and five, not second-and-ten. But in baseball, these are the repercussions for cheating. It's a sport that has the most punitive repercussions in the world. Soccer doesn't do this. Basketball, a hard foul. All right, get a couple free throws. Football, you're off sides. That's a five-yard penalty.

Baseball, you cheat. I'm throwing at you. High. then don't cheat. Like you got to know in your business what's the penalty for the crime. And obviously baseball is not a cartel or a mob family.

Not analogous. But there are places where the crime is a slap on the wrist. That has never been the case in baseball. You cheat. You are a target for a long, long time. They hold grudges in baseball. I mean, forever. It's a sport that's history is everything. And Houston, 98 in the ribs, 98 high.

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Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. Bill Polion's a Hall of Fame executive. He said this, I like when I'm going to win an argument, and I know a year out I'm going to win an argument. I've said before, I want to get it right, not be right, but I'd rather be right than be wrong. And I already, when everybody was given to Joe Burrow is Tom Brady, he's Peyton Manning, He's LeBron, Joe Montana. I said, you're out of your mind.

He's going to get swamped this year. Joe Burrow is going to look incredibly average. There'll be times this year. You'll watch Joe Burrow, and you'll think he's a bust. He won't be, but you'll, and there's three reasons. One, between Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and Cleveland's Front Seven, that's the best defensive front seven division in football. Number two, no OTAs, no preseason.

He's just walking in there hot. Number three is the Bengals offensive lines a mess. Pro Football Focus has at 31st. He's going to get overwhelmed in Cincinnati, and I still don't know if his coach is any good. But Bill Pullian came out and he said, quote, Joe Burrell's going to struggle. He's going to struggle.

He's so far behind now, Lord. He goes, this is Bill Parcells. The best way to learn how to play football is to play football. We played football in training camp, OTAs. We're not doing it this year. These guys are going to struggle. They're going to have such a hard time. By the way, here's a stat.

From 96 to 2013, 17 years. Big enough sample, said Bill Pollyan. First round quarterback succeed at a winning level in the first two years at 34%. Try that one on for size, said Polly. And think about it. Peyton Manning, 28 picks rookie year. I think Burrow is going to get crushed. Cincinnati's O-line's bad. The division's loaded. Look at all the pass rushers in that division. The Baltimore front was good. They added Calais Campbell. Olivier Vernon, Miles Garrett, Sheldon Richardson, and Cleveland. I mean, good God, Mike Tomlin has built a unbelievable linebacking core in front in Pittsburgh.

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Let's go to Bucky Brooks, played in the NFL, drafted in the NFL, former NFL scout with the Hawks and the Panthers. So can you admit now, Joe Burrell's going to struggle. It's going to look ugly a lot this year. Like it's going to look like there'll be Sundays that we're going to go, this isn't going to work. It's just not going to work. I mean, he's certainly not stepping into ideal situation, not having offseason OTAs, preseason games. This is unlike anything that we've seen. I would have to go back to the 2011 lockout when Cam Newton came out, number one overall pick, didn't have the opportunity.

to have a full off season because of the lockout. But look, the first two games when he had an opportunity to play, he lit it up for 400 yards and back-to-back games. Depending upon how Zach Taylor builds this offense around Joe Burrow, there's a chance that Joe Burrow could hit the ground running. It doesn't look like it's going to be the case. But I wouldn't dismiss him because it's all about the synergy and connectivity that he has with his coach and the continuity that he builds with what I think is a very talented

perimeter set of playmakers on the outside in Cincinnati. But I think Cam's a better prospect than Joe Burrow. Am I nuts? No, you're not nuts. Cam is a much better prospect coming out than Joe Burrow. However, I will say this. If they do what Zach Taylor has talked about doing, which is basically take what they did at LSU

and put Joe Burrow in that offense, it could work. We saw what happened with Caller Murray with Cliff Kingsbury. They put him in an offense that was very reminiscent to the things that he did in Oklahoma. but he has success. It all depends upon Zach Taylor being able to really elevate Joe Burrow by putting him in the office that's very comfortable and familiar. Okay, so the Jamal Adams trade, my first thought was, wow, two firsts, a third, and a starting safety. That's a lot.

You don't like giving up good players. You enjoy always fall into this, oh, you can't give away great players. And I'm like, I'm not going to sell my house, but if you're going to overpay for it by 40%, I'm selling my damn house. Two firsts, a third, and that safety for Jamal Adams. Would you have made the deal? I would have made the deal if I'm the Seattle Seahawks. But let me give you a little backstory in context.

John Snyder and I were together in Green Bay in 1996. The Green Bay Packers went on to win a Super Bowl that year. On that team, Leroy Butler. Leroy Butler was an all-pro safety. I would say he reinvented the hybrid safety position. During that 96th season, he had six and nine. half sacks, five interceptions, and over 100 tackles. When you look at what Jamal Adams brings to the table, you cannot label him a true safety.

He plays down in the box. He's a guy that can get to the quarterback. We've seen in his first three season, he has 12 sacks. He is a guy that also can generate turnovers, which we've seen with 12 takeaways. When you're getting Jamal Adams and you put him in Seattle's defense, you're getting Cam Chancellor plus, meaning you're getting the enforcing the middle of the field plus pass rushability, plus the ability to take the ball away. I believe the Seattle Seahawks are defined by their defense,

particularly the Legion of Boom, the new version of that. They needed somebody in the middle. There could be a second level headache. That is what Jamal Adams is. He's the enforcer on their defense. So Joy doesn't like draft picks. I kind of agree with her on that. I like certainty over speculation.

And Seattle is going to get the Jets too low first rounders. With Russell Wilson, they're not finishing eight and eight. That's not going to happen. So where do you land on the hole? I got a great player. Like Oakland gives up Khalil Mack and they got draft picks and they hit on two of them. They hit on two of them. What is your theory as a former player, a scout on draft picks for star players?

I want players over picks. I want to know that what I'm getting is going to be an all pro player because Colin for so long, we hear people talk about a draft and develop is the way that you build your team. But when you draft a player six overall, and he plays at an all pro level and a pro bowl level in two of those three seasons, he and JJ White are the only guys to have 200 plus tackles, 10 plus sacks, 25 pass breakups. Yeah, you're talking about a gold jacket type player.

So, no, I'm not willing to give those guys up for nothing. And when we think about the difficulty in being able to draft players, I just like sticking with guys that I know. And I believe Joe Douglas is going to be a good evaluation. way that he's going to select good players. But just know this about the New York Jets. Five out of their last six number one picks have been traded away or cut.

That does not bold well for them, not only selecting a player that's going to play up to Jamal Adams' talent level, but their ability to retain and develop those kind of players. So my A. Genoa tells me that companies decide to get rid of employees, guys like me, a year to two before they tell me. So Aaron Rogers comes out yesterday on a podcast

podcast and he said, listen, they moved up in the first round to get a quarterback. I'm not stupid. My career's not ending here. You've been in meetings with general managers. When the Packers moved up in the first round to get Jordan Love, were they essentially saying, listen, it's two years and Aaron's gone. Because Aaron's the last quarterback that was drafted in the first round that didn't play for two years. So what are they saying to Aaron? No, they are saying that, Colin. And I think this is smart by the Green Bay Packers frontoff. necessarily to move on from Aaron Rogers, but we all talk about the quarterback position being the most important position in football. Yet we want guys to wait until they have a need for a quarterback before they go get one. By getting Jordan Love now, they give them,

they give themselves an opportunity to really develop him to see if he has the chops to be able to do it. But also keep this in mind, 33% of the starting quarterbacks in the Super Bowl since 2011 have been guys playing on the original rookie contract. Jordan Love will give the Packers the opportunity to take advantage of having a quarterback, a starting quarterback on a cheap rookie deal. That enables you to build up the pieces around the quarterback, the defense, the playmakers, the running game, all of those things. It is something to consider.

Pat Mahomes won the Super Bowl on his original rookie contract. We are seeing more teams trying to build the championship. team during their window with the quarterback, not making significant money. Well, by the way, Aaron would have a market. I can tell you right now, the Raiders would make a bid tomorrow if he was on the market. The Bears would make a bid tomorrow. I mean, he's going to have a market. Even in the next two, at 38 years old, he's going to have a market.

Let me throw this out there. So I don't believe in tanking in the NFL. I do think there are times teams reboot. I think Miami last year with Brian Flores. Brian knew, it didn't matter if they went Owen 16. He wasn't getting fired. Brian got rid of some nice players that were expensive to get draft picks, step back to take two steps forward and create clarity and a vision through his eyes.

I don't know what's going on in New England, but I think it's really weird that they didn't really care to get a backup. I mean, Cam wasn't a plan. Otherwise, they wouldn't let every other team have a shot at him. They weren't aggressive in free agency. They let good players marginally expensive go, and now the whole damn team's opting out. I don't know what's going on in New England,

but how do you explain six guys opting out in New England suddenly? Well, I think six guys opting out, like that had more to do with family situations. You had players who had newborns or babies on the way, and they wanted to make sure that they took care of their family situations and the like. But I'm going to do this because there's been a lot of conversation this off season about how vulnerable the Patriots are, how we're ready to annoying the Buffalo Bills as champions of the AFC East. Here's what I will caution everyone about that. The New England Patriots understand how to win. And Bill Belichick has done it with a cast of characters. and fit it in. I think the best thing that has happened is by the guys opting out now,

Bill Belichick absolutely knows what he has to deal with when it comes to plugging in those holes. Keep in mind, in the draft, he went and got Cal Dugger in the second round, a safety that can replace Patrick Chung. He took two linebackers also in rounds two and three to give him an opportunity to replace Dante Hattel, who was also playing as a bit of a role player for this team. Bill Belichick is one of the greatest coaches, if not the greatest coach that the NFL has seen. He will find a way to make sure this defense is not only competitive, but playing at a high level. And oh, by the way, he gets an opportunity to play with a guy like Cam Newton, something that they've never done. He gets to unleash an entire new offense on the league without the advantage

of them seeing them on preseason. I think the Patriots will be fine. I expect the Patriots to continue to lower it over the AFC East. By the way, you're a full. former player. So players, you know, players are always impressed by, you know, the weight room warriors. So some of these guys on the NFL top 100, I mean, JJ Watt, way too high, Jadavian Clowny way too high, but they are physical specimens. I get you're a former player. You're impressed by muscles, whatever. But not having Carson Wentz in the top 100. Bucky, come on. Give me a break. Did anybody watch television in December? using your analogy, he carried scout team guys of the playoffs.

How is he not in the top 100 voted on by players? Easy now. When we talk about caring, we talk about being barely above 500. And then he goes out and bows out in a playoff game. Colin, I think the one thing that I've known from being around players, game recognizes game, meaning that players get a sense of how other players are based on how they feel about them when they're on the field. Here's the thing about Carson Wentz.

Carson Wins has only led the Eagles to great heights when the defense has played at an A-plus level. When the defense has played average or just at a mediocre level, he has not been able to elevate them. By comparison, I'll bring out your favorite guy, Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson has been able to keep the Seattle Seahawks at a high level, regardless of situation and circumstance. That is why people view Carson Wins differently. And, oh, by the way, the durability factor is an issue. You have to be available. Teams, players want to see that your best player is going to be able to gut it out in those adverse situations,

even when injuries come. It's not Carson's fault, but you like to see your best guys available in those big moments and he has been available. Speaking of injuries, I'm going to show you a piece of video with Tua. I'm going to show you a piece of video. So, Walker, Olymp. Oh, no, no, that's Clint Eastwood walking in. That's Dirty Harry. He's getting ready to set it up so he can go win the gunfight.

I'm not worried about two or talking about lawyer at all. He got clearance. We're going to get a chance to see him practice right away. You're overthinking it. Looks like he's favoring that right leg. Hey, man, walks low carry a big stick. Walks off, he carried a big stick. That's all he's doing.

He's sending it up. You enjoy, you just decided, you text each other. You're going to agree with everything today. God, that looks like a limp to me. I can't believe it. No, no, no. All right, Buck. This is good.

He looks good. He's ready to go. All right. Good seeing you, buddy. Hey, good seeing you, too. Yeah. So what's the, what's the tally on this, Joy? What's our tally on the walk thing?

Let's see. What is America saying? 9,000. Oh, 10,000. Oh, my Lord. It's right down the middle. 51% agree with you, 49% with me. Yeah, that is.

The reality is, it's kind of, um, It's kind of both. Like he is walking, but he's walking with a little limp, but the limp is intentional. But like, not really intentional because it's just who he is. His gate is unique. That's a different gate. I mean, he's just got, you have to put you, you got to put a little extra energy in it, you know? Like he said, Denise Wood, you got to let everybody know you're here.

I'll tell you, when I did. A little bit extra. When I went on the set and did my walk, America loved that moment. You've never, like, walked in a room. I'm not really. wanted to kind of establish dominance. Established dominance. Yes.

Like sometimes you got to walk in a room and you got to walk a certain way so everybody knows that you're there. That's what he's doing. I always thought our presidents, Obama had a cool gate. It was a confident gate. That's exactly what he's doing. Yes. Yeah, I thought George Bush Jr. had a good gate.

He had a good walk. Kind of an athletic walk. Yeah. Generally, when you are the leader of the free world, you have a little bit of extra swag. Yeah. Those are our two best walkers as presidents. with Trump I'm staring at that orange hair I can't really pay attention to his walk

I'm just saying sometimes you know it's like when you were a senior in high school and you walk in on the first day of school you know you walk a little bit different you just you know you just got to you know today's been a debate show

a little bit we've debated everything all right here's Joy with the news turn on the news this is the herd line news we are going to agree on this though Last night, the Dodgers and Astros met for the first time since Houston was punished for stealing signs, and things got heated. In the sixth inning, Dodgers pitcher Joe Kelly threw two pitches that sailed by the heads of Astros Alex Bregman and Carlos Correa. Kelly ended up striking out Correa and the two exchanged words as they walked off the field shortly after the bench is cleared for both teams, which seems like probably what we shouldn't be doing in this particular time.

I mean, this one is, look at that. Holy man, that is gas right there. Yeah, that was intentional. Yeah, don't cheat. Don't steal signs and you won't have that happen to you. Well, yeah, that's, that's, I agree. I agree. I don't love throwing at the players head.

They're pro athletes, they can move. Because we have seen that not intentionally and very badly for players. Throwing in the back, the shoulder, butt, leg, whatever. I don't love throwing at the head, but I also. so I'm not outraged. Baseball people always are like, you can't throw it the head. Yeah, you can. It happened twice last night.

Don't tell me you can't throw it with the head because I've seen guys do it 100 times in the last 10 years. Clearly in baseball, you can throw it the head because guys do it. Here's the thing about the Astros. Because there are no fans, right? We expected this to be the Game of Thrones, Circee, Walk of Shame season for the Astros. And the Astros got a break.

Huge break. Every single park they were going to go to, they were going to be booed the entire time. Fans were going to lay it on them, and this was going to be the season that of course they're going to get thrown out, but they were also going to have to deal with the shame, shame of the fans.

They're not doing that. So you got to pay your dues for this. I like Joe Kelly a lot today. I don't like the walking away while talking move. Like, if you're going to, you know, walk towards while you're talking. It's a little hold me back guy, but he did initiate it, so I'm going to give him pass on it.

I got to tell you something. I like this moment. I'll look that out. Oh, that's not dangerous. What's the next one? The first one's not even. I do love the, uh, the extra. What's this one?

Holy man. I mean, look, what do they expect? This is what you, this is what you cheated. Hey, you're a pro athlete. You're trying out of the world. You got to deal with the consequences of it. So Alex Smith will start training camp on the physically unable to perform list, but is focusing on getting back on the field.

Ron Rivera said that if Smith, Smith ends up passing his physical, he'll be a part of Washington's quarterback competition this year. Make him third. If that happens, again, I think this is a guy that becomes part of our equation. That's the truth of the matter. It's going to be pure competition. I think the big team, more than anything else, it's going to be about how each guy develops over the period of time.

Again, we're going to try and create as many game-like situations in our practices as possible so we can get a good evaluation of our quarterbacks. We obviously have Dwayne Haskins and they also have Kyle Allen. I want to get Alex Smith on the show. and I'm just going to say, Alex, I think you're one of the nicest guys in the league. I do not want to see you play. And I tell that to him in face, I'd be like, Alex, you've got a beautiful family. Have you ever seen his wife?

Yes, he's like a woman on the planet. And Alex is like a model, and he's rich, and he's got everything. Dude, what are you doing? You're going to get that thing ripped up and got that? He wants to come back. I mean, he went through all that surgery and all those rehabs to try and get back out there. I mean, I would like to see him have his redemption moments. I'm with you. The documentary was really hard to watch me.

He had 17 surgeries on that leg. This year. Had huge pieces of this leg having to take out because of flesh-eating bacteria. It's been a really crazy road for him. But I'd like to see him at least get the opportunity. 2020's been so weird. He'll play and get hurt. That's just the way this year's been.

I mean, I certainly hope not. No, of course. But it's like in 2020, I'm done taking risks. I understand where you're coming from. It was really brutal to watch that. Like, you fear for him. I haven't seen it. People told me it was just.

like gut wrenching to watch it. You haven't seen it? No, I've read about it and I'm like, I don't want to watch it. I didn't want to watch. Oh my God, I thought you had seen it and this is why you felt that way. No, no, no. Don't watch it. Because if you watch it, you're never going to be pushed off of this position.

I mean, it's, it's, I don't like watching injuries. I don't like watching surgeries and like. I read the reviews of it. I don't like all that stuff. It's beyond what you could imagine. It was, it was horrible. I'm not into this at all. Like, dude, retire.

It's one of the worst injuries I've ever seen. Oh, gross. I don't want to see it. I don't like seeing guys. I've said this before. I hate seeing pro athletes get hurt. It makes me, it's awful. Yeah.

Their family generationally, their kids, the rehab's awful. All right, joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Oh, we love this game. It's called Two Truths and a Lie. We're doing the baseball edition.

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Fox has this weekend the Red Sox Mets, Indians, Twins, tomorrow. Baseball rating is up 189%. So people are into it. I'm into it. And best for last. We always do this about five, six times a year. It's called two truths and a lie.

And we're going to do a baseball edition. So Joy will have three facts. I have to pick which one is not really a fact. It's a lie. So two truths and a lie. Here we go. All right. So let's start with Aaron Judge.

Aaron has a podcast called You Be the Judge. He has a superstition with bubble gum before every game. Or he hits a home run in his first career at bat. I think the podcast sounds a lot. little cheesy, so I'll say that's the lie. That is the lie. He puts two pieces of gum in his mouth before the game and keeps chewing it until he makes an out. Yeah, he's got something

going on there. Yeah, I've heard that. All right, Mookie Betts can solve a Rubik's cube in under two minutes. Has participated in the PBA World Series of Bowling. Used to call cookies, Mookies, and that's where he got his nickname. That actually sounds true that long.

Why do I... For some reason, I believe the bowling. That's an accomplishment, but I believe that. I'm going to say the Rubik cube is nonsense. Nope. The cookies line is nonsense. So you can solve a Rubik's cube in under two minutes.

I never understood that. Yeah, I don't get it. That's very mathy or something. So Bryce Harper won GQ's Hair of the Year Award. He has a dog named after a baseball stadium. Had two future all-star teammates on his Little League team. Well, he played Little League in Vegas. Vegas is a pretty good baseball

market. Two future all-star teammates on his Little League team? That seems too, that's just too much. Little League is where you live. Like college team, he didn't play college. That'd be different. Or his high school team at Bishop Gorman, that's a big, that's a big sports high school. But two future all-stars on a Little league team, I don't buy that. That is true. Chris Bryant and Joey Gallo, he played with in Little League. The lie is GQ's hair of the year award. Who were his teammates in Little League? Chris Bryant and Joey Gallo. He was on Little League team with Chris

Brian of the Cubs. Pretty good team. Pretty good squad you got going there. They must have been paying those 11-year-olds. That seems so random. All right. Mike Trout was banned from baseball carnival games as a kid. The game where you have to knock the bottles over with the baseball. Almost became a professional golfer and

proposed to his fiancee with a Skywriter. These are tough. I don't know. I don't buying, I think being a professional golfer is so hard. I think that's, almost became a pro golfer's a lie. That's correct. He did not almost become a pro golfer.

Would you like to be proposed to with a skywriter? What do you make of that? That depends on who's asking, Colin. But it would be okay if it was the right? That's okay. I'm not into the baseball state or the stadium. That's bad. Beer honey, let's do something intimate in front of 48,000 brewer fans.

It was like a beer rolling past your foot. No. So Justin Verlander does everything in threes before a game, sings the alphabet backwards and forwards in between innings, or his first car was a purple Ford Focus. I totally agree. I totally believe the card thing was a Ford Focus. I totally believe that.

Totally believe that. Because I've had so many stories of rich athletes who drove clunkers. Didn't everybody drive a clunker 20 years ago? Everybody did. I drove. I mean, your first car is usually not. I had a car catch fire in Las Vegas. Yeah.

Went to a Texaco station. Yeah, caught fire on Sahara on Charleston Rancho. Caught fire. I don't buy into this. He sings the alphabet. Sings it backwards and forwards in between innings. That's a lie. You're right.

That is a lie. He uses the third bathroom stall and the soap jar. He pumps three times and uses three paper towels before a game. That's a little OCD-ish. A little bit. Jose Al-Tube has the most home runs by second base. baseman in postseason history. That's a lot.

Scouts thought he was lying about his age because he's so short. He's 5, 6, shortest player in MLB. He set a high jump record in high school. The most home runs by a second baseman in postseason history. So Joe Morgan probably has some. Second baseman don't hit a ton of jacks. I think that may be true. And I think the scouts thing is true.

I think the lie is the high jump record. You ever tried high jump? You're right. High jump is very difficult. All right, finally, Jean-Carlo Stanton received football scholarships from UCLA and USC. He's big. He has hit the most home runs in a season since Barry Bond's hit record 73 in 2001. He had 59, 2017.

Has the same birthday as Colin Cowherd. I think the first two are absolutely right. I think he did get football scholarships. I'm going to say that his birthday is alive. It is alive. His is November 8th. Yours is the sixth. Capricorn.

I think Einstein's birthday is on my birthday and Elon Musk and Bill Gates. I have Muhammad Ali, Michelle Obama, Dwayne Wade. Really? Yep, strong birthday. All right. I'm done for today. We're done. Be safe. We'll see you tomorrow.

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