The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hoops Tonight - Anthony Davis TRADE to Wizards from Mavs + Jared McCain to OKC, Coby White to Hornets | NBA Reaction

Episode Date: February 5, 2026

Jason reacts to even more wild trades in the NBA ahead of the trade deadline including Anthony Davis getting traded from the Dallas Mavericks to the Washington Wizards to pair with Trae Young and how this helps the Mavs build around Cooper Flagg. Jason also discusses Jared McCain being traded from the Philadelphia 76ers to the Oklahoma City Thunder, Coby White going from the Chicago Bulls to the Charlotte Hornets, and Chris Paul finally getting away from the Los Angeles Clippers. All lines presented by Hard Rock Bet.  #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All right, welcome to Hips tonight here at The Volume. Happy Wednesday again, everybody, as our trade deadline continues to just get weirder and we're talking with Jackson before we started recording. not a Luca Donchitz type of just earth-shattering move that comes out of nowhere, but I think this might be the weirdest trade deadline that I've seen since I started covering the league four years ago. Anthony Davis is now a Washington wizard. Jared McCain is now with the Oklahoma City Thunder.

Kobe White is now with the Charlotte Hornets. Who knows what that means? And Chris Paul got moved in a salary dumping trade for the Toronto Raptors, as they sent Oshagbaji and a pick to the. net. We're going to break down all those trades briefly from the perspective of all teams. You guys know the drill before we get started. Subscribe to the Hoops Tonight YouTube channels. You don't miss any more of our videos. Make sure you like this video that helps us a lot.

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two first round picks and three second round picks. Kind of a bizarre move for Washington. I liked the Trey Young move because it didn't cost them anything. You take a flyer on an established star. You don't really have beyond Keishon George, like much of a young player that's like super prevalent on the ball that you're trying to develop as a foundational type of player. And Kishon's, you know, exciting. He's got some potential, but I don't think they view him as a foundational guy either. So you take on Trey Young. You provide all of your young off ball players like Trey Johnson and Alex Sar, a guy that can set them up with advantages, which is a real value ad. And then Trey Young becomes a free agent in the summer of 2027. So when you're deciding

whether or not you have to start paying your young guys. And like, Balakula Bali is in that 2027 summer. 2028 is when you really got to start paying all these guys, right? So like, if Trey Young is around and then in summer of 2027, you're like, time to start paying everybody. We don't want Trey Young anymore. You let Trey Young go, right? And there's no real, you know, opportunity costs you're missing out on there. The AD move is more damaging in the sense that they're sending out so much draft compensation. It's interesting. from a basketball perspective, but we'll get into the reasons why. And like, as a basketball fan, you bet your ass. I'm excited to watch Anthony Davis and Alex Sarr play defense together or

Anthony Davis and Trey Young as a duo. I'm super excited to watch that. And anytime we see talent going from the Western Conference to the Eastern Conference, I think that's good for the league, because there's a huge talent deficit between the two conferences and having another interesting playoff team next year in the Eastern Conference is certainly going to make it more fun to watch. But as I look at Washington, and they have some young players that I really like. Those of you guys have been following the show for a while, know that I've been a big fan of Trey Johnson. I just think he fits the mold of the modern NBA offball scoring guard, right?

And then Alex R has all sorts of potential as a two-way player and a defensive foundational piece. I've got a lot of excitement for some of these guys in Washington. The AD move just makes it a little bit tougher down the line if you want to be flexible as you're building around the team. So let's dig into that concept just a little bit. So 80 salary is fine. That's a non-issue. He could theoretically come off the books in the summer of 2027 if he opts out at the latest the summer of 2028. So that's not going to be an issue paying Tray Young and Anthony Davis as you're trying to figure out what to do with paying your younger stars, your younger talent coming up through the organization, right? But we're sending out a lot of draft compensation

here. You're sending out two first round picks and three second round picks. That can be an issue as you start to look into team building in the coming years. Again, we've seen a lot of examples of this in recent years. A team feels like they're close. They go trade for an OG and an OB. And then they're in the conference finals. A team feels like they're close. They go trade for a Pascal Siakum. Suddenly they're in the conference finals. Then they're in the NBA finals. A team feels like they're close, then they go make a move for, you know, even just Oklahoma City making a move for Alex Cruz. So right now they didn't use draft picks for that. But the point is, is like you've got assets in on board. You have these young players that pop. Three or four of them

kind of pop and show some fit together. And then suddenly you're like, wait, we got something here. What's the one thing we're missing? And you don't know what it's going to be until you get a little further down the line. And it's like, shit, if we get like an awesome six eight dude that can defend and knock down threes, we're in a great spot. Or like, oh, man, if we get like a, like a power forward with some size to put next to Alex Sar, now we're in a great spot moving forward. Or man, we just really need a, an awesome backup guard or something, or just a, a really good shooter, you know, like whatever it is, you find out what you need and then you pounce, right? And when you pounce, it can be expensive. Utah looked at their situation and they were like,

man, we got Keante George and we got Lori Markin. And let's pounce on Darren Jackson, three first rounders, right? The Orlando Magic are like, we just need a really good shooter to pair. And it's been tough because of the injuries, especially at Franz Wagner this year. But Desmond Bain himself has helped in a ton of ways for first rounders, Mikhail Bridges for the Knicks, a hall of first round picks. Like, there's a version of this story where Washington hits on a bunch of these guys and they need to go make some additional moves to tie this all together and you're limiting your ability to do so. Now, as far as I understand, I think Washington would still have eight first round picks over the coming year. So it's not like you, it's not like you don't have

any flexibility to make those kinds of moves. But what if you need to make two of those kinds of moves? What if you have really expensive young players and you need to build through the draft and you need to find role player talent in that, you know, middle to the late portion of the first round a couple of years from now, right? Like, I just thought for what you're trying to do here, it's a lot of expense for a team that's going to be fun for his basketball fans, but like, I'm, I'm not sitting here thinking that Tray Young and Anthony Davis are about to go dominate the Eastern Conference. But that being said, Washington did it. They put all these picks on the table. They got Anthony Davis. So let's talk a little bit about the basketball bit and how that can work. Now, as far as the

Alex Sar Anthony Davis piece together. I was talking about this yesterday with Jaron Jackson and Walker Kessler, but having a kind of a dual rim protector look is something that can be devastating in several different looks for a defense, whether it's you're in a two, three zone set up, and you've got these two really lanky athletes that can cover ground on the back line that can give you a viable zone look, whether it's, you know, deep drop coverage and having a bunch of rim protection at the basket, whether it's using an Alexar to blitz ball handlers and force them into tough over the top passes to start four on threes. And there's Anthony Davis on the back line that's covering that ground or vice versa, right? That low man dynamic that we talk about.

Like, I think having Anthony Davis and Alex Arr together is going to be an extremely strong defensive foundation. That's going to be a blast to watch, right? The Tray Young Anthony Davis offensive fit. This is, I talked about this when we were talking about Damian Lillard and Yonna Santinacompo. To me, Trey Young is an entirely different class of passer than Damian Lillard is. So Damian Lillard brings something that

Trey Young struggles with, which is switch beating. Dame is just so much better as like a one-on-one score before his Achilles' tear, obviously, than Trey Young was. And so Trey Young kind of has to operate in traditional pick and roll coverages where teams are running drop coverage so that he can get off of his primary defender and work in the, you know, mid-range or hit pull-up threes when guys die on screens and unlock all of the passing reads. He's so good at lob pass or lob passes to rollers or to

cutters along the baseline and kicking out to shooters, right? There's all of this passing utility with Trey Young. He can just struggle beating switches, right? And that's where, you know, having a guy like Anthony Davis will be helpful, right? Like if Trey Young and Anthony Davis run a ball screen and there's a switch. You pitch it down Anthony Davis. He punishes that ball screen. That was the dynamic we were expecting to see with Trey Young and Christops Porzingis before both of them just were completely unable to stay on the floor this year for the Atlanta Hawks. But on the offensive end of the floor, there's a ton of utility there. Trey Young is a brilliant passer. So the the Trey Young Anthony Davis two man game when teams are

running traditional coverages is going to result in a lot of lobs, a lot of good looks for Trey Young in drop coverage. A lot of great kickout passes to the weak side for guys like Trey Johnson to knock down, catch and shoot threes. That all is going to work wonderfully. Against switching, I'd argue Anthony Davis is even a little bit more reliable as a switchbeater than Chris Sop's Porzingis simply because he just has a lot more talent that he can go to athletically in those spots, right? So there's a lot of offensive utility. Defensively, you want to have a ton of rim protection behind a weak defensive backcourt. We talked about this yesterday with respect. to Keante Georgians Femkelau, right?

Like you have the worst defense in basketball in Utah, the only team in the NBA that's allowing over 120 points per 100 possessions, you anchor them with all sorts of rim protection so that at least you can give those guys a simple job to be forward aggressive, force guys to drive into all of your length, right? That's the kind of dynamic you're trying to build here, right? Except for you've got the layers of defensive talent.

Anthony Davis by himself, he's a serviceable defense just by himself. me, I watched it for years with the Lakers. Just him by himself can build a serviceable defense. You add Alex Sar, that's a force multiplier. You had Bilakula Bali, that's a force multiplier, right? Like, that's where it gets to the point where this team could be pretty special on the defensive end of the floor. So like, again, as a basketball fan, you bet your ass, I want to see it. I want to see Trey Young and Anthony Davis play together. I want to see their two-man game. I want to see Anthony Davis and Alex Sar playing defense together alongside Bilalqq

of Bali. This is going to be fun to watch. But I don't feel like they're a legitimate championship contender, not unless some of these young guys start really popping in a big way and fast. Anthony Davis is about to turn 33 in March. And he has consistently had issues with his body that it looked like he was starting to conquer there in that 2024 season with the Lakers and then 2025 comes around. He breaks down again. 2026 comes around. He breaks down again. And So like I actually liked Anthony Davis more for the teams similar to the Golden State Warriors that had literally no chance to do anything in the long run. So they had no choice but to invest in the moment. Right.

Like for the Warriors, they could afford to take a chance on an aging star because they've got an aging star of their own in Steph Curry that's about to turn 38. They don't have a foundational young player. they're destined to be the team that's taking on salary for picks and shit for like two or three years anyway. So why the hell not? If Anthony Davis comes in and pulls his groin muscle again, you're in the exact same spot that you were in before the Anthony Davis trade, which is not good enough to win the title and destined for a rebuild, right? If that happens to Washington, if Anthony Davis, you know, like obviously you're not a playoff team this year, let's say next year Anthony Davis deals with more injury issues and unable to play in the postseason, all of a sudden

you're going into the following year with Anthony Davis going to be turning 35 and, and now you're looking at having spent three second round picks and two first round picks for Anthony Davis. And now all of a sudden you got to start paying your young guys and all of a sudden you need this one specific type of player and you're a little bit less able to go out and spend in the draft and or in trades to try to increase your talent on the roster. So I, again, as a basketball fan, I want to see it. I just don't really understand the logic from Washington's perspective. It kind of feels like spending for the sake of spending and building a mediocre Eastern Conference team at a pretty high cost with no real kind of like benefit in the long run to your team.

So I was just a little confused by that one compared to the Tray Young trade. For the Mavs, that's a haul for Anthony Davis. Like if you're turning the Anthony Davis into two. additional first round picks, you never want to lose Luca. Like I've seen people talk about, you know, the Luca trade is a little bit more complicated. Now I don't feel it like that at all. like to me, you were a bona fide championship contender with a multi-year championship contending window and you slammed it shut by trading Luca. That makes it a stupid trade under any circumstances. I don't care if you would have five first round picks back in the two trades. That said,

under the circumstances, Nico Harrison is going to be. from this franchise, you got to rebuild. Starting from this point when Anthony Davis on the Mavs, getting two first round picks for him is an absolute haul. So good for the Mavs. And you have an opportunity now with a ton of assets to build around Cooper Flag, a Cooper Flagg who continues to be awesome. He's been averaging 23, 7, and 5 over his last 21 games. After another monster night last night in his last three games, he's averaging 40, 10, and 5. So you've got another foundational star. You're just starting from scratch again. And by virtue of this Anthony Davis trade, you have even more for the same sorts of things I was just talking about with Washington.

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We'll go very quickly through the other three trades that happened today. Oklahoma City gets Jared McCain. So OKC gets Jared McCain. Philly gets a first round pick via Houston. Now it's a 2026 first for a team that's going to probably be a top four or five seed in the Western Conference. So it's not going to be the earliest first round pick in the world. it's going to be a later first round pick, but you get a first round pick and you get three second round picks. That's a decent little return for Jared McCain, who was already looking like a guy that was on the outside looking in in this rotation in light of the rise of Vijay Edgecombe, right?

He's a shooter for a team in Oklahoma City that could use shooting, specifically the ability to hit more under duress types of shots. So Jared McCain over his last 31 games, because he got off to a little bit of a rough start this year. but in his last 31 games, he's shooting 40% on all threes. He is 44% this season on unguarded catch and shoot threes. So he's like a nails knockdown guy for a team that really only has one in Isaiah Jones. Excuse me, Isaiah Joe. You're adding a second one there. But what Jared McCain brings to the table is additional movement shooting.

So like great pull-up shooter out of ball screens. When he comes off of a pick and roll and someone dies on the screen or goes under, shooting 53% this year on pull-up threes at a ball screens. four for seven out of off ball screen. So when he curls out of off ball action, four out of seven this year from three, three for three slipping out of action as the screener. So when he runs up and sets an inverted pick or a guard guard pick,

and he slips out to the three point line. We've seen OKC run that a lot with Isaiah Joe, right? Like Isaiah Joe comes up, screens for Shay, just slips out of it to the three point line. This just gives you another guy who can do that. And especially in the short term, because we got the report that She gives us Alexander has an abdominal strain and he's going to be out till at least the end of the All-Star break,

maybe even a little bit longer. We'll see at this point you're not getting to 70 wins and you're not about to, you know, drop out of the number one seat unless things get really, really bad, right? So there's plenty of time to just kind of let Shea get 100% healthy. This is another guy that can help them create advantage in the half court. This team really right now can only create advantage their defense to transition sequences and dribble penetration.

But if Shea's out and J-dubs out, you basically got AJ as your only dribble penetrator. guy and the defense of transition sequences can only carry you so far against a team that actually takes care of the basketball and can score a little bit. So having Jared McCain is another guy who can come off of an off ball screen and hit over 40% of his threes and dictate the types of coverages that will get the defense and rotation and unlock some advantages for OKC. I think that'll even have some additional utility in the coming weeks while Shakellis Alexander is out of the lineup. Philly gets some draft compensation and

clears their rotation a little bit. Shams was also talking. about how it's going to help them retain Quentin Grimes potentially this summer. So make some sense for Philly. Get a haul of draft picks and you clear out your rotation a little bit. Jared McCain is a good young player, but he's not like a foundational. Oh my God, we're trading away the future type of talent. This deal makes some sense for both teams. Kobe White gets traded.

So Charlotte gets Kobe White and Mike Conley Jr. The Bulls get Colin Sexton, Uzman Jang, and three second round picks. On the Bulls front, we figured they'd start moving guards here pretty soon. and they have. Three second round picks is a nice little return for a player that you were going to walk for nothing. Those are the kinds of picks that you package three. You can get a decent role player in this league. We've seen it a bunch of times over the years. The Lakers that I root for did it last year for Dorian, Finney Smith, right? So you turned a guy you were going to lose for nothing into a hall of draft picks that you can turn around and move for a valuable role player at some

point down the line. For the Hornets, it's kind of interesting because on the one hand, in the short term, all in on offense for just a pretty well-rounded scoring guard. This guy who ran 391 picking rolls and ISOs this year, generated 391 points, so one point per possession. We talked about that this morning. We were discussing James Harden. A point per possession on half court shot creation data is a pretty good benchmark for what is considered like a good action

for your team to run. And then he's also got quite a bit of shooting ability. Deadly off the catch 40% overall in catch and shoot threes. 47% on unguarded catch and shoot threes. but he has really struggled with his pull-up three this year. Only 27% on 82 attempts. What you're betting on there if you're the Hornets, he has a pretty long track record

to shooting that shot pretty well in recent seasons. 35% last year on pull-up threes off the dribble, 39% two years ago in 2024. Obviously trending in the wrong direction there, but that's the upside that you're betting on in this case. Leaning all in on offense for a team that has a ton of... We talked about this when we were talking about the Hornets. this is actually on the all-MBA pod

with Adam Maras last week on Friday. We were talking about how the Hornets are an awesome offensive rebounding team too and one of the dynamics that they consistently create is they just have all these dudes between Lamello and Con Conypill and Brandon Miller and now you can add Kobe White to that mix that are high-level shooters

that are going to dictate coverages out of screens that are going to send bigs up to the level. And when you send bigs up to the level, that opens up opportunity for the Musa Diabates and the Ryan Cockbrenners of the world to thrive on the offensive glass as the bigs are outside, giving them inside position, right? Like, there's a lot of opportunity there. That's a big, if you're asking me how Charlotte's had a ton of success on offense as of late,

it's been a really impressive string of jump shooting from their, from their core players and a ton of offensive rebounding from their bigs in the, like, in the kind of chaos that that forms, right? So in the short term, Kobe White adds to that. where I get like a little confused as to where this is all going is just like how everyone's going to get paid. So like you got to pay you're already paying Lamella Ball a shit ton of money. You got to pay Concanipal eventually. You got to pay Brandon Miller eventually. Moussa DiBate is on this really discounted contract right now. But he strikes me as a guy that's going to be worth quite a bit when he comes up as a free agent eventually. Right. So like you got to

figure out how to pay everybody. I wonder if the idea is you resign Kobe White to a long term deal and if they eventually look to move Lamello ball or not. I, you know, it's funny, there are times that I'm watching Lamello and I still am like, oh my God, this is one of the best shot creators in the league. And so I wonder if it's more of like an insurance kind of thing where maybe they'll sign Kobe to a deal that's like a three-year deal. Maybe they'll give him like, you know, three years somewhere in that like 60 to 70 million range. Kobe gets a nice little payday.

For three years he's on this roster. It lines up when when Con Cohn-Kinipal needs. to get paid. It lines up with when CN James needs to get paid. You know, it's a year after Brandon Miller needs to get paid. And you can have Kobe in that short term. And if things kind of go south with Lamello, you move Lamello, but you still have Kobe White as like you're kind of do everything off the dribble guard that can help all of your shooting wings, right? I'm guessing that's kind of the direction they were going there. But when they went for Kobe, it kind of made me wonder if there was a little bit of a glut of scoring talent here. It's like between Lamello, Kobe Con, and

Brandon as just a lot of dudes that like are looking to score the basketball. Right. Now, there's a version where that all comes together and everyone's playing together and they just score a million points. But there's also a version that can that can turn into a little bit of a glut. And that's why I wonder if it's kind of a precursor to an eventual eventual lamello ball trade. We will see as time goes by. Lastly, the Raptors ended up, we had, I talked about this in yesterday's pot in the morning. The Raptors, they've been looking at, uh, DeMana Sabonis, and it was reported that they wanted to get off O'Shaegbogi's contract to get below the luxury tax. I pitched Oceabodgi for everybody as like a dude that I think is a good

low cost type of option for somebody to go after if they're looking for a three and D wing. Ashag Baji is having a terrible jump shooting season. So obviously not a three and D wing right now, but this is a guy who made 100 threes last year and made 40% of them. So like if you're looking for something cheap that you can go after that could maybe be a three and d wing he's a good like high reward low risk type of option that you can go after right well it ends up being the nets that doesn't mean it's over the nets could turn around and flip o'shay again before the end of the deadline but the raptors get chris paul who they're not even going to take it looks like they're either going to look to facilitate another trade or potentially buy him out so chris paul's not going to the raptors at all for the

Raptors, all this is is a second round pick going to the Nets and some cash to get off of O'Shea Igbaji's contract. So it's basically Rafter's paying a second rounder in cash to get out of the luxury tax, right? Chris Paul's going to end up going somewhere else. God knows if he's even going to play again in the NBA this season. We'll see for the Nets, what if they flip around and turn O'Shea Bogi for another second round pick? I have a feeling the Lakers would potentially, without much they need athletes, move a expiring contract plus a second rounder for O'Shea Baji, how cool would that be if you could get two second round picks by basically making this type of move, right? So like, definitely an interesting little deal there. We'll see if the Nets

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