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Episode Date: March 28, 2026

Jason answers mailbag questions from subscribers on topics including where Jaylen Brown (Boston Celtics) and Cade Cunningham (Detroit Pistons) fit in the NBA MVP race alongside Nikola Jokic (Denver Nuggets), Victor Wembanyama (San Antonio Spurs), and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (OKC Thunder), what Steph Curry and the Golden State Warriors should do next, whether De'Aaron Fox is good enough to help lead the Spurs to a title this year, Kevin Durant and the Houston Rockets' issues, what the Utah Jazz should do this summer, and more. All lines presented by Hard Rock Bet.  #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thanks for the sport. my question is, how is Cade and Jalen Brown not two of the top three MVP frontrunners? I thought MVP was most valuable player to your team. Cade doesn't even have a 20 point score on his team and nobody thought he would be first in the east. And J.B. lost his whole starting five from last year and everyone thought they were tanking, but they're number two in the east and my pick goes in my pick to go to the finals. What's your thoughts on that? Keep up the great work, my friend. Thanks again for the support. This is an interesting question.

This has been a popular topic over the course of the last few days. for one, Shea looked like he was running away with it, but then suddenly Luca kind of made a run at it. Wemby has made a run at it. And I think both of those guys have compelling cases. I still think Shay's in the lead. But then we had that Mike Wilbon quote that came out and he's an actual voter who came out and said that he plans on voting for Jalen Brown. And then he basically said, don't even consider Luca because he only plays one side of the floor. And so we've seen all sorts of different angles come at this over the course of the last few days. And so I think it's worth diving into. Now, And yesterday's show, or I should say Wednesday's show, I talked more about why

Shay's number one, why I have Wembe number two, why I have Luca number three. But I want to zoom in on why I think there's a large gap between Luca at number three and guys like Cade and Jalen coming after that point. And the answer is pretty simple. When you talk about these teams and why they have successes, when you dig into the Thunder, for example, they have been utterly devoid of ball handling this year. And you have the, you have the injury to AJ Mitchell that took place through the year. The multiple hamstring injuries for J. Dub. And a lot of ball handling responsibility is fallen on Shay. So that can be similar to Cade, right? But there is a kind of in my opinion, a three step process to becoming the MVP. Or I should say a three criteria method to evaluating an MVP. Those of you guys who've been listening to this show over the years, I've been pretty consistent about this. I think MVP is a combination of who's the best player in the league, who's the best player on the best team, and who is the most valuable player to their team. It's those three things. And when you look at

Cade, obviously you've got the best player on the best team case in the sense that the Pistons are the number one seat in the Eastern Conference. And certainly in terms of just how many impressive wins they've had this year. That's a strong case for him. But he's very weak in the other two areas in the sense that one, no one even considers Cade close to that top tier of superstars. He's firmly in the second tier somewhere between like the seventh eighth, seventh, to 13th, 14th best player in the league, depending on who you ask, right? Like I have on the upper side of that, but no one's going to put him even in the same conversation as Wembe, Shea, Luca, Janice, Yokic, the actual top tier stars in the league. So K does not have a strong,

is he a best player in the world type of guy case, right? So that undercuts him. Then on the most valuable player piece, the problem is, is that the Pistons, I talked about this after, one of the shows earlier this week, Monday or Tuesday, I can't remember exactly which one, but the star of the Pistons is their defense. They win games primarily because of their defense. They mall you physically with ball pressure and then they do a lot of damage on the offensive glass as well. It's a size in physicality based team. Kate obviously is very valuable to the pistons. I don't want to undercut his case, but because he's weak in the value side and because he's weak in the is he actually among the best players in the league side, he's weak in two out of the

three areas, which puts him pretty far down that list, right? Same thing goes for Jaylen Brown. No one's going to consider him in the conversation among the best players in the world. He is firmly a second tier star. Like I said, somewhere in that six, seven to 13, 14 range, depending on who you ask, right? And then in terms of value, the Celtics have actually been better when he's off the floor this year than when he's on. And when I look at the Celtics and I think about why they're so good this year, it's a lot to do with Joe Missoula and their system and the continuity of the players that have been around for a long time and the way that they play on offense and how good they are with their physical ball pressure. and the margins that they win, like their corner crashes and the damage they do on the

offensive glass to mitigate some of their issues that they've had defensive rebounding. Like when I talk about the Celtics and the reasons why they win, Jalen Brown is just further down the list than the guys that are above him in the MVP case. So when I look at Cade and in Jalen Brown, because they're not considered among the very best players in the world and because they're not as valuable to their teams as some of the other guys on that list, that's what keeps them lower in a lower. tier than the other guys in the list. So when I get to the top guys, right? When I'm talking Shay, when I'm talking Nicole Yokic, when I'm talking Victor Wimbun Yama, when I'm talking

Luca Donjich, and I think Yokic is clearly on the bottom side of that. He missed a large chunk of games this year. And since he came back from his knee injury, hasn't been very good. Yokich was like clear MVP candidate before his knee injury. And had he not gotten hurt and sustained that play throughout the end of the season, I think he would have been neck and neck with Shea. I think the nuggets would probably be higher in the standings, right? But we got to, we got to take the Yokch piece and set it aside that this tail end of the season just hasn't been as good for him as, uh, as he was to start the year. I think, I think he's above Cade and Jalen Brown, but I think he's clearly below the Luca Wemby, Sheikildos Alexander group. So, but in that

group, all four of them have legitimate cases to be the best player in the world. You can talk to, you can make a case that Wemby's the best player in the world. I wouldn't make that case because I think that's a playoff case as we've talked about. So to me, Wemby's not going to get that recognition until, until he makes that case in the postseason. But you can make the case, Wembe's the best player in the world. You can make the case, Luke is the best player in the world with the way he's been playing over the last month and a half. You can make the case, Shea is the best player in the world. I think he probably has the best case right now in terms of the regular season. And obviously, like you, Yokit in that group, obviously, because he's been recognized as the best player in

the world for several years at this point. So they all have really strong cases in that department. Then you dig into like best player on the best team conversation. This is what puts Luca to me below the Victor Wembenyama, Shea, Alexander tier. Shea and Wembe are the two guys that check the box of like, could he be potentially the best player in the world? And is this the best basketball team in the world? The Spurs have a legitimate case to be the best basketball team in the world.

They've been one of the most, the two or three most impressive teams in the league this year. Same with Oklahoma City. So Oklahoma City and San Antonio have the team success. Then you dig into the on-off numbers. And all of those guys, Luca, Shea, Wemby, really strong on-off numbers. Luca at the bottom of that group, but the Lakers are better this year when Luca's on the floor versus off. Shea, they're about, what, six or seven points better per 100 possessions when he's on versus off?

Actually, I think it's eight or nine. I think it's like nine points per 100 possessions. And then Wembe, it's like plus 17, right? So like, when I'm looking at Jalen Brown and Kay Cunningham, in those three categories, they're really only strong in the team success category compared to their peers. Wemby and Shea, the two guys that I think have the best chance to win it, are candidates for best player in the world,

clearly playing for teams that have had an enormous amount of team success and that are in that top tier and are deeply profoundly valuable to their teams. And so they check all three of those boxes and that gives them a substantial edge. That's why to me, Kate and Jalen Brown are far off of that tier. Next question. Hey, Jason, with all the injuries piling up, do you think it would be a good idea for the Warriors to just sit, Steph Curry, the rest of the season and look ahead to next year?

My concern is that with so many guys out, the entire offense falls on his shoulders. And the last thing we need is Steph over-exerting himself and ending with a season-ending injury. It's just not worth the risk at this point. On top of that, do you think it would actually be a good opportunity for the Warriors to make a move for Janus and Tenacumpo? With the buck situation being what it is, could Golden State put together a package worth considering? Perry Janus was Steph next season on a healthier roster. He could absolutely be lethal. If they go that route, what do you think are the realistic chances next season?

So first of all, there are three steps to that. Number one, should they shut down step for the year? To me, it's 100% about what he feels. Like if, and Steve Kerr actually said as much last night, but like, or two nights ago, but like, if Steph is 100% and he's like, my knee's good, let's play basketball, then what do you have to lose? Go play basketball. Like, there's, I, I, I, just like we're going to, just like we talked about with

Yannis on, on Wednesday's show, like, trying to tell a super competitive player to go sit down and not play basketball when he's healthy and can play basketball is bullshit, frankly. Like, I'm not. not okay with that. So like if that's 100% go for it. But yeah, if he's experiencing discomfort in his knee, especially now that Moses Moody is out, you have no shot. So what's the point? Don't risk over-hearding, over-exerting and injuring Steph if he's not ready to go. So whether or not he plays before the end of the season to me is like, is he 100% or not? If he's

100%, yes, play him. If he's not, no, sit him down and make a run next season. Second part of this, Janus, I talked about this at the deadline. To me, Yonis, makes the most sense for a trade destination after he leaves Milwaukee, as you dig around the league. Like, I don't understand the Knicks part because I don't think they have enough to offer. I just don't understand why Milwaukee would want to do that. I just don't think they would get enough back. Same goes for Miami, although Miami can offer a little bit more, but I don't know why Yonis would want to go there. I don't think Miami would be close to good enough with Yonis, right? Minnesota, I don't know why Minnesota would do it. Anthony Edwards is this young ascending star.

sell your future and massively shorten your window when you've got an ascending star in his early 20s. I've hated that move from the start. Golden State toes the line of like can offer a massive amount of draft compensation to Milwaukee to help reset their future to where like Milwaukee would actually get a ton back and feel like, hey, to be able to go to their fans and be like, hey, we lost Janus, but we got this massive trove of first round draft picks for a team that's probably going nowhere in the long run in terms of like after the Janus step phase. This is great for us. Let's do this. So it makes sense for, for Milwaukee. For Golden State, now especially that Moses Moody is out, your future is looking extremely bleak. You don't have a

single guy that is like a legitimate foundational piece to build around for the future. So like, you got nothing to lose. You got Steph who's going to turn 39 next season. Why not pair him with Janus? There's a really nice natural basketball fit there. Janus would step in and they'd immediately become a relevant team in the Western Conference. So Janus gets to play serious basketball. Him and Steph are this fantastic fit. It's a high risk proposition for Golden State because Janus is injury prone. But what does Golden State have to lose? It's the one situation that actually seems to make sense to me for both sides. Milwaukee gets a bunch of draft compensation. Janus gets to play serious basketball. Golden State can actually afford to absorb the risk

because they're not going anywhere anyway, right? Like it's not like they have a, a foundational star where they could use those four first round picks to build around him in the coming seasons. Like, you're starting from scratch no matter what. And let's say you have Janus and it's a two year window and you win or you lose whatever, but then it's post Janus, right? You can flip Janus and maybe get something small back, probably not close to what you sent out, but you can get something small back. Staff retires. Then what you can do is you can have two years where you eat every bad contract in the league and just take on draft picks. For two years you suck and you eat all these bad contracts, but you build your draft trove back up and then you get a chance to go for

it. But at the same time, you're faithful to Steph Curry. You gave him his final chance to try to compete for a championship. To me, it's the one situation that makes a ton of sense. There was a lot of this like, oh, why are we trying to force Yianas to the Warriors thing going on around the deadline? I was like, this just makes the most sense. It's not forcing anything. It's like the Warriors are old and desperate. They have draft compensation to offer Milwaukee. Janice and Steph are a natural basketball fit. Like, why the hell not, right?

So, like, I actually think it makes a ton of sense. Now, if they go that route, what do their chances look like next season? It all depends on how they can fill out the rest of the roster. Obviously, losing a guy like Moses Moody would really hurt you in that case. But, like, you instantly become a favorable destination for your veteran minimum contracts, for your mid-level exceptions, right? like you maybe you can convince the guy like lebron to come over if you're lucky like maybe jimmy butler if he isn't used as the i think you probably have to be used as the trade piece but like

there's you just it just depends on how you round out the rest of the roster but they would certainly go up from where they've been to in that like middle tier in the western conference and from there it's like good luck dealing with stepan yonis in a playoff series if they're both healthy when they get there so i would be it would be foolish to count them out i'm super excited to tell you guys about our partnership with Viori. Those of you guys who are familiar with Viori have noticed, I've been wearing it on the show a ton over the last few years. It's become a workhorse for me. Today I'm wearing the seaside pullover hoodie, one that I just got that I've really enjoyed. I wore it out on a cold, windy day the other day, and it was super warm and comfortable throughout.

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Is there something larger at work here? Curiously to hear your thoughts. Love the show. Thanks again for the sport. This to me is pretty simple. So, like, you're building around ball handling right now because Steph is out in the form of, like, Brandon Pajemski and De Anthony Melton and, you know, you're, what's his name, the lacrosse player? I'm blanking on his name. Pat Spencer. I don't know why I was blinking on his name there for a second. But you're working with younger inconsistent ball handlers, right? De Anthony Melton's not young, but obviously he's more of a role player. And so you give him a much of on-ball responsibility. It's going to be up and down. You know, generally speaking in the NBA, the difference between, the awesome players and the bad players isn't necessarily potential. There are a lot of guys around the league.

Like, I've watched DeAngelo Russell have games where like, I'm like, oh my God, like he, you know, 27 points and 11 assists. Like he's this incredible ball handler, right? Like I've seen Najee Marshall go for massive games as an on ball player, right? Like even just within the Warriors, we've seen Brandon Pajamsky have great nights. We've seen Pat Spencer have great nights. There are guys all around the league that. on any given night can give you a 30 or on any given night can give you 10 assists,

right? Like it's just about making the reads. I remember the first time we watched Andrew Nemhard go into Golden State and rip the warriors apart. This is a few years back. And I'm like, holy shit, this Andrew Nemhard guy can like hit pull up threes, hit midrange jumpers, make all the passing reads and pick and roll. Like there's 50, 60 guys in the league that can handle the basketball and run 30 pick and

a game and run good offense, maybe even more than that. The difference between the guys that are making $40 million a year doing it and the guys that aren't is consistency. And so, yeah, like, that's going to be the nature of Golden State while Steph's out. And I'd argue it's been the nature when Steph's been in because the secondary ball handling piece has been inconsistent at times, right? So, like, ultimately, what's happening is some nights Pat Pat Spencer can get the job done. Some nights Brandon Pajamski can get the job done.

Sometimes they can't. and that's kind of what separates them from those upper tier guys, and that's just the reality of life without Steph Curry in the lineup. Next question. Is Yokic making it a big deal to get a trip, making it not that big of a deal to get a triple double anymore? Or is it just not that big of a deal when he gets one because he averages it? I do still see social posts go crazy when a player gets one,

but it's just another game for Joker. Does that take away from the triple double at all, as he isn't always flashy, and sometimes he always plays, sometimes he even plays bad for his standards and still ends up with one. Curious your take. This is the classic problem that has been the case forever in the NBA, which is the greatest players in the league are so consistently great that they become,

almost we become numb to it. Right. Like, I'm recording this on Wednesday. I watched the Sun's Nuggets game this morning. And like, Yokic was incredible in that game, like, absolutely incredible. but like it wasn't a game where he had 35 points right so like it's not the game that gets the type of recognition that other games gets but like we take for granted the fact that a lot of those top tier guys are generally incredible every single night the second piece of it is there's levels

to it i deal with this with luca fans all the time they go oh he had 35 nine and seven last night and i'll be like yeah he was really good but like i've seen luca be a lot better like there's levels that he can get to that are above that right so like we get none of that we get numb to it. The best players in the world, specifically the top tier guys, even when they're not on their best night, can really fill the box score, which can also, uh, kind of make it difficult to judge their like true best performances versus some of their more mediocre performances, right? But like, that's just the issue with everybody. Yokic, just like LeBron over the years, just like Shea does now, just like Luca does now, just like Janus has always done.

Like, Wembe to this day, like, or Wembe kind of joining the conversation now at this point. when you're in that top tier, we get numb to your success, and all of a sudden the stuff that sticks out isn't your average performances, it's your extraordinary performances. And that's just kind of the nature of what comes with the standard, the standard of the best player in the world conversation. Are the Rockets problems coaching problems or roster construction problems? Secondly, should the Rockets trade Shangoon for Janus possibly run a lineup with him at the five,

making them much better defensively than giving you more on offense and more consistency? Thank you. Love the show. for the kind of words. So I would argue that it's both. You know, there's a lack of a depth of ball handling and shooting talent for Houston. There's a, you know, one of the things with Dylan Brooks that was underrated is it wasn't just that he was this great defender. Dylan Brooks had ball skills. He could knock down an open catch and shoot three. He was good at driving closeouts and making the next decision in the chain. You take Fred Van Vlead out of the equation. He's another like very good ball handler passer. And so as you took those guys out and KD is very much a pure score. He's not the best ball handler,

not the best passer in the world. As a team, their amount of ball handling and shooting talent has dipped from where it was last season. And so that has made it really difficult for them to convert four on three. So some of its roster, some of its injury, like the injury to Fred Van Vleet was really devastating for this team, right? And like, I definitely think that the Rockets over the course of the next few trade cycles will be looking to supplement this team with ball handling and shooting. But there is a coaching piece there. I saw this hilarious tweet the other day that was basically like, uh,

uh, Eme, Udoca's half game, a half time adjustments is basically just to call you a bitch. I just died laughing when I saw it because it's so funny, because that's basically you may you doca, right? Like he famously turned around the Boston Celtics in the 2020 season, in large part by making them tougher. He took a group that was not achieving what they were capable of relative to their talent. And he got them to be tougher and to play

harder to be more physical. And I think there's real value there. But like the Houston in particular, their guys are already pretty tough. So it wasn't really a toughness issue. It's more of an organization issue there. And that's not to say that there's no value in having EMA and his ability to motivate you and his ability ability to make sure you play hard on most nights like that sort of thing. But like EMA clearly is the kind of head coach that's more of a motivator and needs to be anchored by a refined offensive tactician. And so that'll be the. the thing. Like if you're running the Nemea Udoca-led staff, you've got to get him an assistant that can help him with the X's and O side of it, because that's clearly something that he needs support with. Next question. Hey, Jason, in your opinion, which dysfunctional player slash team trait is more damning to these respective coaches overall process and gameplay?

The fact that the Timberwolves can't run effective pick and roll with Rudy since he's unable to catch consistent passes in the nail with Coach Finch, or the fact that KD has constant mental breakdowns when he sees the double is most likely four. we're seeing a turnover on that possession with the EMA Udoka. So again, both have been disappointing. I've been very disappointed in the ability of Houston to weaponize KD's attention that he gets as a score into easier opportunities. But I actually think the finch stuff is worse. And the reason why is like coaching can only take you so far. Like, yes, KD turns the ball over way too much against traps.

But I've seen a lot of possessions where KD draws the double and does get rid of the basketball and sparks the four on three. And they just don't convert it in large part because of that lack of aggregate. get ball handling and shooting talent that we talked about earlier. What bothers me with Minnesota is they have a ton of ball handling and shooting. They have a lot of guys who can dribble shooting pass, and they've got a ton of shooting. And so this is where I put it more on Coach Finch where like we know with Rudy, like, he can't catch and finish in traffic, but if he's wide open, he can catch and dunk everything.

And so I do wish that there were some more complications added into their pick and roll. So for instance, instead of just spread ball screens, maybe more sequences where Rudy is involved in a three-man dribble handoff style action where there's lots of ball and player movement and he's slipping out of it so that when he catches on the role, there's more space to operate because the defense is more warped.

The defense is more challenged in the amount of action that they're trying to defend, more stack pick and roll, more situations where you try to create more separation between Rudy and the traffic around the basket. In general, I think Coach Finch has done a poor job of organizing the team offensively

and motivating them. So like, I've actually talked about this a lot. I think Minnesota's next step after this season is to move on at the head coach and to get somebody who's a little bit more of an offensive tactician and a better motivator or at least a different voice in that locker room. So like I actually find the stuff with Minnesota to be more disappointing because of the talent. Like I look at Houston and I go, this roster is fundamentally flawed. I look at Minnesota and I go, this is a championship level roster and coach Finch is just not

getting them to play hard and they're playing really stupid offense and I wish that they would clean some of that stuff up. All right, a couple Spurs questions. As a Spurs fan, I truly appreciate your basketball analysis in today's media that's full of hot takes and people who don't watch the games. Thank you so much for the kind words. My question is about Deer and Fox. To me, his performance is pivotal to the Spurs' playoff success, but his regular season performance is so far and slightly below expectation to me. I know part of the reason is that his usage is low and that he plays off ball a lot, but when he runs the offense, he is a bit careless with the ball and with his passes and his shooting is still inconsistent. But maybe I just have too high of an expectation

of him, or I didn't watch other teams to evaluate him in a broader context. So what's your thoughts on Fox's performance this season? And do you worry about it when it comes to the playoffs? And if he can't be the second best player on a championship team, how would his max contract affect the Spurs future team building? So the important thing, the important detail is that, um, the important detail is that you have to go with what was available. Like, it'd be great if instead of Deere and Fox, it was, you know, a higher level guard. Like if it was Jalen Brunson, for example, right? Like, it'd be great if you had a better player than Deer and Fox. But the bottom line is, you get what you pay for. Daron Fox was available.

He was available at a price point that was closer to like what actually less than what like the Orlando Magic paid for Desmond Bay. Right. So like part of it is like San Antonio wanted to maintain flexibility for the future, but they also wanted to accelerate the timeline to match the level that Wembe was playing at. Deeran Fox to me perfectly fit that kind of like middle ground in the sense that he he was achievable. He was affordable, he was affordable relative, and he fit the skill set really well. And this is the important detail. like when you really dig into Deere and Fox's strengths, on defense, for example,

what's Deer and Fox's best strength? He's not a physical ball pressure guard who's going to keep the ball in front all game long. They call him Swipa. He's an aggressive turnover forcing guard. That complements Victor Wemnon Yamma's rim protection really well, right? On the offensive end of the floor, he's a pick and roll player that makes it really difficult to switch, right?

So like he's going to face a lot of drop coverage style looks, which is going to unlock Victor Women Yama as a role man. And as I've talked about a lot over the course of the last few years, one of Deer and Fox's sneaky strengths is cross-court passing. And when you have a big man in Victor Wemniama, who has so much role gravity going towards the rim that he's consistently drawing tags. We talked about this in the Tuesday pod.

Like Victor Wemnon Yama is helping the Spurge generate the most corner threes in the history of the NBA. Who's going to make those passes? And obviously, Steph Castle can make them. Steph Castle is a very gifted passer. But Deering Fox is one of the very best, like, skip cross-court passers in the league. So again, like, when you dig into it, and I get it, he's going to be very expensive on this new deal. But, like, when you really dig into it and the way he complements Victor with his on-ball defense,

the way that he complements Victor offensively is a pick and roll player and with his cross-court passing, it was like a confluence of factors that I thought made him a worthwhile risk for the spurs. Now, as I've talked about, he's not going to be as good as some of the guards that he goes against. If he ends up in a series with Shea, he's not as good as Shea. He ends up in a series with, if he ends up in a series with Luca, he's not as good as Luca. He's not as good as Luke. Right. If he ends up in a series with Denver, like he may not even be as good as Jamal Murray, right?

Like, it's going to be tough in the sense that he's not as good as some of the other ball handlers in the league. But the idea is if Victor ascends to that top tier superstar level, is he fine as a number two? And I think he is, especially as a stop gap between where they are now and where Steph Castle projects to be. And I think Seth Castle projects to be a top 15 player in the league sooner than later. So I generally speaking, like I think inconsistency is going to be part of it. He's going to have playoff games where he doesn't play super well. But the spurs aren't incredibly dependent on him, the way that the Lakers are on Luca, the way that Oklahoma City is on a guy like Shea. It made sense to me, given the trajectory the spurs were on, the complimentary fit with Deer

Fox. And ultimately he's going to be the guy that the Spurs lean on a lot. I've talked about this like, I think there's a version of this story where Steph struggles in the postseason shooting the basketball, where Wemby's on ball stuff doesn't work and he functions more as a role man. And like, you're going to be really glad you have Deer and Fox. Even if he's not as good as some of the other guys around the league, you're going to be really glad you have Deer and Fox when some of these playoff games slowed down. And I do think from that one warrior series that we saw that he did a pretty good job getting past his initial defender in compromising the defense. Jason, I think I may watch Wembee differently because I'm 5'8

and I always had to make up for my lack of size with skill. When I watch him, I obviously see the talent, but I don't instinctively feel impressed in the same way that most people seem to. A lot of his defensive impact to me looks like geometry. Huge wingspan, huge standing reach, automatic rim deterrence. On offense, things like lob gravity, finishing above the rim can also seem more tool-based than skill-based. Can you make the basketball case for what separates his actual skill processing and technique

from things that are mostly a result from being 7-4 with ridiculous length. So I think, first of all, it gets complicated because one of the big pieces of it is his mobility. And if you've done any research, if you watched any of the videos, like Victor Wemann Yama works extremely hard on a flexibility and pliability. There are a lot of big dudes out there who are stiff who can't move, right? I mean, there's that giant dude who plays for Florida who, like, isn't even in their regular rotation because he doesn't move well enough, right? So like having Victor Wenimianama B7-4 is not anything unless he can be mobile, right?

Like even just look at like Christop's Porzingis who's okay mobile, but he's got ridiculous size. But ever since his injury when he was younger, he hasn't been as mobile as he used to be. And so he's kind of stuck being a drop coverage big. Victor Wemingiama can fly around on the perimeter and really move. So I think he deserves a lot of credit for his overall athleticism separate from his like just measurable physical traits. Secondly, like,

guys, if you're under the impression that these guys are relatable, I don't know what to tell you. Like, Steph Curry's 6-3. If you guys went to go play pickup basketball, those of you guys, you go play at your LA fitness or your pickup run or whatever it might be, and Steph Curry showed up,

you'd be like, holy shit, that dude's big. Like, everything's relative at the NBA level. So, like, to me, it's okay to be like this 7-4 guy running around as soon. super impressive. Similar to like this six nine freight train LeBron James running around is super impressive, right? Like I'm with you that there's a skill element that gets super appealing. That's why a guy like Janus hasn't resonated as much with casual fans as outside of Milwaukee, right? But like, I think that that in general in the NBA, if you're thinking that these guys are something we can

relate to, like even Damien Lillard is like six to and can jump out of the damn gym, like Damien Lillard in his prime could throw the ball down. through his legs. Like, he's an insane athlete. So I think some of us, we need to adjust our kind of vision of reality of what the NBA is like. Today show is brought to you by a presenting sponsor,

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I think Wembe can be the best player in the world. But the NBA playoffs are a totally different beasts. They're officiated completely differently. There's a lot of really good experienced teams in the field this year. Everybody pumped the brakes. Let's see what happens. But if the Spurs won at all, it does get really interesting. The main thing that I think about is, one, obviously, you have the Wembee trajectory stuff

and what that could mean for him all time if he's that far ahead of schedule. but the second piece of it to me is like the rivalry between Oklahoma City and San Antonio. Like Oklahoma City kind of needs to win this one because as the years go by, OKC's in a later stage of their roster where they're going to have to start shedding talent soon because they have to pay everybody. San Antonio is in a phase where they still have a few years here before they're going to have to start breaking up their talent. So like if the spurs get this one, that's what gets scary for a team like Oklahoma City

because as the years go by, whatever perceived. talent gap is actually going to favor San Antonio over the course of the next few seasons because of where they're at in their payroll. Next question. Hey, Jason, I've been loving your analysis and personality since I found your channel. Thank you for the kind of words. Why is it the head coach's seemed to be recycled more in the NBA compared to the NFL? Is it due to the specifics of each coach's ideal scheme slash system,

needing more specific players on the roster? And so they're given more chances with different organizations saying, hey, our roster is closer to what this coach likes to run. why don't we care if he was fired and he wasn't given a fair shake with that roster. Thank you for your time and keep up the good work. So first of all, I'm actually not 100% sure if there is, if they're, what the stats are in terms of the recycling of head coaches. But I'll just accept this premise for the sake of your question. Like, let's just say separate from the NFL, why is it that NBA coaches tend to be recycled?

And I really think it comes down to the head coach in the NBA is just the easiest thing to swap out when you're, looking at a situation that's not going right. So for instance, like, let's take Minnesota, for example. You have Anthony Edwards, you have Julius Randall, you have Jayden McDaniels, you have Rudy Gober, you've got your core, right? And like, it's very possible that the players are flawed in some way or another. But, like, once you start talking about, like, should we break up this star pairing, it gets really tricky because of agency politics

and how are you going to get your next star? And like it can be a lot more of a commitment to decide to shake up your roster than it is to be like, let's change this one dude at the top who's not tied to the cap at all whatsoever. I can pay four or five coaches at a time if I fire people who cares.

Like I can easily swap a coach just by throwing money at the problem Whereas if I make roster changes, I've got to, I've got to find someone who's willing to trade for Julius Randall. I've got to potentially put draft picks on the table. It gets much more complicated changing over the roster. And so I think a lot of teams look at their situation and they go, hey, it would be easier if we just change our coach. Then you get to the point having to do with the urgency of the situation. So say you're Minnesota. Like when you're, we do see younger coaches get opportunities. I think Boston's a great example, right?

Like they fire EMA Udoka because of the scandal, and they end up giving a shot to a guy like Joe Mazzul, and it pays off. And for the record, I actually think teams should do that sort of thing more. Like, let's get the guy that we think is best for our team, regardless of reputation and more just look at skill set, right? But a lot of teams look at the situation and they go,

okay, we've got a team that's going to compete this year. Do we want to take a shot on a young country? coach, why don't we get J.B. Bicker staff to come in and coach the Detroit Pistons because we're on this shorter timeline and we're trying to make something happen right now and we can't afford the risk of messing around with the younger coach. I mean, we even like it's even like what the Steelers going after Mike McCarthy in the NFL is actually a similar example. It's like, I think they look at it and they go like, do we want to take a risk with the younger coach or do we want to try to go with somebody that is a known command?

in that sense. I think there's like in the NBA in particular, there's like a player buy-in part of it too that gets fascinating. So like I think, I think it coaches get scared if they're like, take Minnesota for example, let's say they fire Chris Finch. They're going to be looking at the situation and they're going to go like, man, Mike Anori might be the guy, but he's been around for a while. What if the players don't listen to him, right? And so I think it gets super easy when an experienced head coach who's been in charge of multiple franchises, it becomes available for an owner to be like, let's just put this guy in there

because he'll be able to step into that locker room and all those guys will at least have a certain amount of respect with him. But to your point, I don't think it should be that way. If I was running an NBA team, I would run an interview process more geared towards what you're saying, like talent fit rather than experience. And I would trust that, like, that coach would be able to win over the locker room with his

personality and with his work ethic, not necessarily his reputation. And I'd use Joe Missoula as an example with how fast he was able to turn it over. JJ Redick as well, and with the Lakers, I think those are two good recent examples. Five more quick ones. What do you think is the Thunder's biggest weakness? They have better shooting and three good on ball guards improving from their previous biggest weakness last year and early in the season. To me, it's just they're small on the perimeter.

The Isaiah Hartnstein piece gives them a little more resilience on the front line. I'd add Jay Will to this as well. Jay Will has just got a big frame and him becoming a reliable three-point shooter, just a better all-around basketball player has made him a legitimate rotation option for them. So they're a little less susceptible in the front court than they used to be. But like, especially when they go small with Chet at the center and a lot of their perimeter looks in general, they're just kind of small and thin on the perimeter. And so that makes them vulnerable to the bigger ball handlers around the league.

Guys like Aunt Julius, Jane McDaniels, LeBron James, Luca Donchich, Aaron Gordon, and, you know, like, even Jamal Murray a little bit, like they just have a little bit more susceptibility to like bigger, stronger perimeter players because they're not particularly big on the perimeter. The rare jazz fan here. With the jazz seemingly ready to do something other than Tank next year, how would you approach this summer?

Are there any moves you would make in preparation for playing real basketball in 26, 27 with this roster? Really interesting question. I don't want to get too far into specific players because one, we don't know where the jazz are going to end, in the lottery yet. And so which guy they get, like, whether they get a Darren Peterson or like, you know, a Darius A-Cuff or even if they get the number one pick, you know, we don't know what they're going to end up with. So that makes it a little bit hard. And we also don't necessarily

know who's going to be available both via trade or restricted free agency, things like that this summer. So like, we'll get into more specifics when we get into the summer. But as I dug into the payroll earlier this morning, the two main things I think they're really going to need to look at is one, some sort of like unscreenable perimeter defender and then two just overall perimeter jump shooting. And the reason why I feel that way is if the strength of your roster is your front court and you're going to be playing a lot of looks

with Lori and Jaron Jackson and Walker Kessler, then in theory, like you're not going to be very fast. You're going to be big, right? So your base scheme is probably going to involve either a lot of switching or a lot of zone because you're just going to want to lean towards your bigs being able to be big

and not have to cover a lot of ground, right? But you want to have some scheme versatility. And so if you had the ability to put a specific type of guard defender on an opposing point guard, think as an archetype, think Davion Mitchell. And Davion's on an expiring deal next year at like 12 million. So maybe you can make a deal.

Who knows? But like, you have Davion Mitchell and you go, hey dude, chase that dude around. Do not switch anything. Fight through every screen. That way you can keep your bigs back. That would give you some scheme versatility versus quick guards. Whereas if you're switching everything and it's like Keontay George and let's say Darren Peterson

gets drafted by the jazz and he's a good defender but he's not ready to like be a shutdown chase over screens guy yet. A quick guard could pick you apart by like, targeting specific matchups or like if your team shoots the ball well enough, maybe they could pick apart your zone. You want some scheme versatility. So having some sort, and I don't know if Isaiah Collier is that guy yet.

And so that's where it gets tricky. But if you have a bowling ball unscreenable type of guard, that could go a long way towards your scheme versatility. And then again, like Walker Kessler has shown some ability to shoot, but I don't think he's going to be guarded out there. Jaron Jackson has improved as a shooter, but he still doesn't get really guarded that well like a shooter. So any sort of counterbalance your size in the four.

of reliable jump shooting talent would go a long way. But I personally am very excited to watch the jazz next year. As a jazz fan, you should be very excited. I'm really curious to see how Danny Ains rounds out the roster. That's going to be a fun team to watch next year. All right, three more quick ones. Would you ever consider having Nick Wright on the pot? We'd love to see you both in your takes on the Lakers and the NBA playoff preview.

Thanks for your time. We are working on it, and I think we're going to have it happen. So I'm not sure at which point in the next couple weeks, it'll probably be a mix of like playoff previews. some Lakers, some, I'm curious to debate Victor Wemanniama with him too. So we'll get into that when we have the chance. But I'm in touch with Nick Wright's producer and we're working on it. I think we're just more figuring out scheduling at this point.

So Nick Wright will most likely be on in the next couple weeks. I'm just not sure when. When I do know, I'll let you guys know. Next question. Do you guys have any, or do you have any desire becoming a part of an NBA team's coaching staff or broadcasting? I really appreciate your eye and knowledge of the game. Keep doing great stuff for the NBA World JT. Thanks so much for the kind words.

I would love to work for an NBA team. I've talked about this before. If I actually got a legitimate opportunity to work for an NBA team that paid me well, because it just would be tough for me to give up my job to go take some entry level, like, you know, work in the film room kind of thing. But that's how you do it.

Like, if you want to work for an NBA team, you got to go work in the film room and do, like, dirty work for a long time for a little bit of money. If you want to kind of work your way up there. And like, it's just, I couldn't do that and do what I do. So, like, it's completely unrealistic. But I would do it if I ever got the opportunity.

Like if I got an opportunity, especially, like, I think, I think coaching is very parochial, so it's super unlikely. But even if I got an offer to go work for a front office, I would take it in like a real context, not in like some entry level context, because I just want to work in the NBA and I want to be a part of a team and I'm competitive. And like, here's the thing. Like my job requires me to be critical of NBA players. Otherwise, my show has no credibility.

I have to be critical of NBA players. But I don't want to be. They're NBA players. you have any as a person who played basketball my entire life like you don't think i have an enormous amount of respect for those guys you don't think like think about like a player that i get have been super critical of over the years let's just take a random example like russell westbrook for example i was super critical of him when he was with the lakers like you don't think i was a big russell westbrook fan when i was young like russle westbrook was like a hero of mine when i was a kid just

like every other young basketball player so like part of it is just the nature of my job dictates that I'm critical in answer and uh I praise and it criticized that's the nature of the profession right but like if I worked for a team I wouldn't have to do that anymore and I could channel my love for basketball tactics and all these like different intricacies and I could channel it into a team context competitively and be a part of an ultimate goal that a team is trying to pursue so like I would take that sort of opportunity in a heartbeat if it came up it's just incredibly unrealistic. So like, the truth is, you guys are probably stuck with me for a very long time. Last question. Hi, Jason. I will need more time of you explaining why you didn't like Ad Astra.

Keep up the great work. And thank you for all the analysis you do. Thanks again for the kind of words. So a couple of things. Like, it just kind of felt like it had these weird phases. You obviously have the main plot line, which centers around the, the Brad Pitt's psyche, evals his relationship with his father and this weird thing that's happening out at Neptune or whatever it is, right? But then you have these like weird detours. Like the whole like moon lander or moon rover gun scene just kind of felt like this weird separate entity, the commercial flight to the moon. The, uh, the weird like SOS call where the monkey is killing all those astronauts on board that weird traveling space station. Like it just

kind of felt like they were using weird plot devices to fit in some special effects. So like it kind of felt like it had some fluff and some filler that didn't make a ton of sense. Take for a counter example like Project Helmerry, a movie I really enjoyed, everything felt like less like a plot device and more like there was one clear plot device in Project Hail Mary. And that was the communication piece. Like they were like, here's this five minute scene where we show these basic interactions and now we just all as the audience have to accept that these dudes can talk to each other, which I had no problem with because like they tried to make a whole movie about that. It's called a rival where they dig into how complex language structure is. And if you really

want to dig into that, it'll take you two hours just to do that. And none of us have time for that, right? So like in the context of that movie. So I accepted that plot device more as just like a, hey, let's establish that these two people, these two beings can communicate with each other verbally so that we can watch this damn movie and not have to sit through them dealing with the chore of trying to learn how to communicate with each other. So like I was accepting of that plot device. At Astra felt like it was filled with lots of plot devices just to drop in certain special effects. Whereas Project Tail Mary, aside from that one language plot device, everything felt like it was moving the plot forward in a really genuine way. And so it just felt

like it had some filler. It wasn't my favorite Brad Pitt part. Like I'm a huge Brad Pitt fan. My wife had this comment. I thought it was funny. She was like, she's like, this is the kind of part that like Ben Affleck should have done. I was dying laughing because like there's not a whole lot of expression. Everything's very deadpan, which is like right up the Ben Affleck alley, whereas Brad Pitt has a lot more range and what he can show emotionally and that sort of thing. So like, and just he just has more of a cool factor. So like it was kind of a weird part for Brad too. And then the story was kind of like anti-climactic as well when they get to the end. So like, just one

my favorite movie. I gave it a second shot. I love sci-fi, too. I'm not going to see her and act like I didn't and still enjoy parts of the movie. It's just the visuals and things like that. But like, it was a distant last place compared to a lot of those like whether it, what's the movie with Matt Damon on Mars?

Like that one, The Martian, or even a rival or Project Hail Mary. You know, I just thought that those movies were far better. Then add Astro. All right, guys, that's all I have for today. As always, I sincerely appreciate you guys for supporting us and supporting the show.

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