The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hoops Tonight - Celtics-Heat Game 6 Reaction: Boston forces game 7 with Derrick White buzzer beater

Episode Date: May 28, 2023

Jason Timpf reacts to Jayson Tatum and the Boston Celtics' thrilling 104-103 victory over Jimmy Butler and the Miami Heat, which has forced a game 7 in the Eastern Conference Playoffs. Jason dissects Derrick White's clutch buzzer beater in the final moments of the game and highlights how the Heat missed a golden chance to secure the series win on their home court. #volume #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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again and i do want to dive into those things but at the at the core of these two teams they have an identity. And one of Boston's identities is they struggle with late game execution and just execution in general against, you know, schematic challenges. And one of Miami's, an important part of Miami's identity is they are always the team that's looking to make schematic adjustments and they seem to have an edge in that side of the game. And then they have a superstar who's always supremely confident in late game situations, which gives them an advantage. And so Boston's up nine, I think, with like two and half minutes left or something like that. And Eric Spolster made two adjustments in the way that he was

attacking on both ends of the floor that turned things around rather quickly. And the first was he went zone. And again, the genius thing about zone and the way that Spolster uses it is he never uses it enough to truly give it an opponent an opportunity to solve it. There was a game earlier in this series where he didn't use it at all in the first quarter and then he used it a ton in the second quarter and then he didn't use it at all in the third quarter, and then he used it a ton in the fourth quarter. That's something that he tends to do as more of a rhythm disruptor rather than as like an actual defensive base scheme, right? And so he goes to zone at the end of the game, and Boston just has no idea what to do with it. And they were already a little discombobulated over the course of

the second half. Most of their success was coming on the defensive end of the floor and just finding little bits of offense here and there. But that got them a bunch of stops in the, in a row down the stretch. On the other end of the floor, there's this weird thing that was happening over the course of the game. We'll dive a little bit deeper into it later, but Jimmy Butler was not confident with the basketball in his hands at all. And so they were running a ton of stuff for Duncan Robinson. He was basically the focal point of the offense through the middle portion of the fourth quarter. And, well, really for most of the fourth quarter. And what was interesting about that is down the stretch of the game, after, you know, after Spolstra went,

zone and they started making their comeback, Jimmy Butler took back control of the offense, but they started doing so with ghost screens with Duncan Robinson. And what's interesting about that is they established the fear of Duncan throughout the quarter with his shot making. I think he made a couple of threes and just, you know, just in general was the guy they were running everything through. But as a result, Boston was overreacting to those ghost screens. So remember, what a ghost screen is is when they have a guard-to-guard action, in this case, Duncan Robinson on Jimmy Butler, but instead of actually setting a screen, he's just running by or just doing a dribble handoff, something that's going to try to trick Boston into thinking they either need to

switch or to help. And in those situations, it opened up opportunities for Jimmy Butler to get downhill. And again, a dribble handoff and a go-screen kind of have similar functionality in that specific instance. So if Tatum, for instance, is chasing Duncan Robinson and he doesn't want to leave him because Duncan's made a couple threes and Jimmy's being guarded by Derek White and Derek White, as Duncan's running by, gives up a little bit of an angle for Jimmy to drive and Tatum's not there to help because he's chasing Duncan, that right-handed driving lane is open and Jimmy started to get downhill and he started to get to the foul line, right? And that was how quickly things turned around. Boston and just couldn't score against Miami's zone.

Other than that pull-up three that Jimmy made to kind of start the run, everything was downhill right on that right side of the rim. And he started to just, I don't know, dig deep through sheer force of will and start to get more of that lift that he needed to finish around the rim and to draw fouls. And then on that final possession, I don't know what the heck Al Orford was thinking, but he was just way too physical with Jimmy Butler as he was driving. It looked like he wanted to take a three.

I think Jimmy understood the reality of a game seven in Boston. and how difficult that was going to be to win. And it looked like he was going for the kill. And Horford got him. But then on the other end of the floor, what's so funny is I just broke down for you guys schematically through the zone and through the DHO go-screen stuff

with Jimmy and Duncan, how Miami like smartly worked their way back into the game, right? Capitalizing on their basketball IQ advantage. On the other end of the floor, Boston, Marcus Smart, there's three seconds left. There's three seconds left. And you're down one point. and he takes an impossible fade away three over his right shoulder on that left wing

and an incredibly difficult shot. But if you guys go back and you watch the replay, Max Struce is guarding Derek White on the inbounds and he's completely ignoring him and playing out towards almost close to the top of the key to dissuade those guys running off of screens. And so when that pass was made, Struz did not have an opportunity to recover. back to Derek White in time. And, you know, it's kind of a no-no in general to ignore the inbound passer in a situation

like that, not just for the offensive rebound that ended up taking place, but all it takes is a quick passback. So say Marcus Mark Ketches that instead of shooting it, Derek White just steps in bounds onto that left wing. He could get a touch pass back for a wide open three. So that's why most coaches don't ignore the inbound passer in a situation like that. But again, I'm never going to second-guess bolster's decision-making. He's a basketball genius and the best coach in the league, in my opinion.

But as a byproduct of that decision, there is no body on Derek White. And so he just gave that extra effort, that championship effort, to sprint in there and just barely get that thing off with one-tenth of a second left to steal that game and send it to Game 7. So a wildly entertaining game, with a wild comeback and then stolen right back at the buzzer by the Boston Celtics. I don't know. I'd love to hear you guys in the YouTube comments. If any of you guys have a take on a game that was a crazier finish than that one,

we've all seen crazy comebacks. We've all seen crazy game winners. I've never seen that crazy of a game of a comeback feeding right into that crazy of a game winner for the other team to save a team from elimination. Just truly unbelievable stuff. So let's kind of dive into some of the dynamics of the series that have swung in Boston's favor. So in my opinion, this series swung back in Boston's favor based on two matchups that they were losing kind of in a dramatic sense through the first three games. Now, to be clear, I think Boston is the more talented team.

So it's funny. As I look back just as a basketball fan at this particular Celtics team, I don't, they have a lot of unlikable qualities. as a team. You know, their, their chemistry is a little funky sometimes. They don't play, you know, sometimes they play really good team basketball, but other times they get away from that. They can be arrogant and go extended stretches without playing hard, which is in, you know, objectively unlikable quality.

So there's a lot of things there that make them not necessarily my favorite basketball team that I've ever covered. But at the same time, like the talent is undeniable. They are the most talented roster in the NBA, in my opinion. and certainly a hell of a lot more talented than this Miami Heat team. And that's the main reason why they've ripped off three wins in a row and why they have a very good chance to be the first team to come back from 3-0 in NBA history.

Ryan, if you don't mind, do me a favor. Can you pull the line for game seven? I'd love to see that. I bet you it's like eight points. But yeah, there's no doubt that the talent is the main driving factor. But as we look at how Miami went up 30-0 and how, Boston regain control. I look at two matchups. First of all, Jason Tatum has flipped the dynamic of the Jimmy Butler matchup and has started to dominate him in a way that he did not in the early part of the

series. I had said on several occasions that I thought Jimmy was a better player. Tatum has been the better player over the course of the last three games. And then Bam in a bio, if you guys remember in game two. There's a Gabe Vincent three, I think, on the right wing. And on the play, he gets an offensive rebound because Al Horford just puts a lame box out on him. He just kind of reaches over the top, kicks it back out. Jimmy Butler ends up working back down to the post and misses another jumper. And Bamadabio just throws him off like he's Aaron Donald or something and gets the rebound and dunks it home with two hands. That battle is completely flipped. over the course of the tail end of the series.

Al Horford is starting to win those boxout confrontations. He's starting to bother him at the rim and force misses. He had a gigantic block in the second half, just high-pointing Baham at the summit at the summit and sending him back. He has flipped the dynamic of that matchup. And so Miami's two best players suddenly turned into their two most inconsistent players down the stretch of the series.

And instead it's been guys like Caleb Martin and Duncan Robinson and Gabe Vincent that have had to step up for Miami to keep them competitive. Those two things switching have been what have turned this series around early on. Butler out playing Jason Tatum, bam, torching Al Orford. Jalen Brown just really struggled throughout the entire series for the most part. That was a big part of them playing down to their competition to that extent was a big part of Miami's early lead. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

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three makes per game since then. A lot of the similar stuff that we talked about in earlier videos that are starting to clear the side more, he's starting to work with his back to the basket more and go to shots that he can make it a higher clip than the pull-up threes that Miami's sitting on and pressuring and the struggles that he can have to sometimes finish in traffic around the rim, right? And you know, I tweeted this earlier, but there are three reasons why I think shot variety is so important in the NBA. I talk a lot about this, but it makes you less predictable.

right so like if i'm guarding you 100 possessions and you do 50 step back jump shots and 50 drives to the rim like towards the end of that set of 100 possessions i'm going to have a pretty good idea of how to guard you because you're just doing the same thing every time but like part of what makes a guy like lucid don should so difficult to guard is in 100 possessions you know you're not going to have very many of them that look the same he's going to shoot from a bunch of different spots on the floor. He's going to attack you from a bunch of different spots. Sometimes he'll face you up. Sometimes he'll post you up. Sometimes he'll attack you with a live dribble. It's from every single spot on the floor and it adds that variety. But beyond that,

it's what allows you to audible. Jason Tatum has really struggled with that pull-up three-point shot in this series, right? It's not working. So what do you do when that's not working? If you keep attacking with a live dribble from 30 feet and they know that you don't trust your pull-up three, that just makes you even more easy to guard. But if you can audible and say, okay, I don't have this working, let me give the ball up and let me work over to the right side of the floor. I've got a height advantage against Jimmy Butler. I work a lot on these little short 17, 18 foot jump shots on face-up situations,

post-up turnarounds over both shoulders. I work a lot on these things. Let me just go down here. And there was that big stretch in the second quarter, that obscene run that he went on where he was just, attacking Jimmy Butler, face him up, hard step back, kind of like, sidestep dribble into the lane going to his left and makes an easy little jump shot over the top. Then he, very next possession, just to fade away over his left shoulder.

Again, they're closer to the rim. They're not that three-point shot that he doesn't trust. It just gives him another thing to go to. And then the third thing is it allows you to cater your attack based on your matchup. I've told the story on the show before, but like I, when I was younger, I used to just take a ton of threes off the dribble. And so most of the guys around town that were small guys would just start ball pressure into hell out of me because I wasn't a great ball handler back then. And if you pressed me up off the three-point line,

I could really struggle. And so over the course of my late 20s, I just started adding a bunch of post-up stuff because I knew if I added post-up stuff, then every single time that they switched a small guard on me, I could just give the basketball up and go down to the post and ask for the basketball. And then once I start killing the kid in the post,

then they can put a bigger defender on me, then I can work him back out to the perimeter and start attacking with a live dribble where my quickness becomes an advantage. When you have the, when you diversify your attack, you allow yourself to be able to pick and choose your method of attack based on what the defense is allowing. Jason Tatum has always had that stuff.

He's been a good post player. He's been a guy that can attack from the mid-range. He abandoned it over the course of this season. For whatever reason, I've shared a bunch of shot charts of where you just see a bunch of threes from the top of the key and shots in the paint. And I don't know what the, I don't know if that was from somebody on the coaching staff. I don't know if that was from somebody in the front office. I don't know if that was just him himself simplifying his attack.

But for whatever reason, that was the way that he went about things. And that flipping has been a big part of his improved attack over the course of the series. Now, you might say, Jason, that's eight makes. That's 16 points in three games. how is that that big of a deal? Everything in basketball is connected. Those eight makes are what allows him to feel more confident, feel more comfortable to gain a rhythm.

He only made two mid-range jump shots during that second quarter attack, but he made a bunch of other plays as a playmaker. He was feeling himself straight up, just straight up was in a great rhythm. That's all connected. If you don't get those easy mid-range shots and you're missing your pull-up three from the top of the key, maybe you don't get into that rhythm. Maybe you don't feel confident and good about yourself. That's a huge deal.

Like, Jason Tatum has won the psychological battle with Jimmy Butler over the last three games. Think about how much that matters for the whole team. It trickles down the roster. When you're flanking a star who's playing better and is carrying himself more confidently than the star across the way, that makes you feel more confident in your ability to win. That's that big belief thing that we talk about.

You have to give extra efforts to win games. You have to believe in your ability to achieve the ultimate goal to give yourself the fight you need to give that extra effort when you're truly exhausted. And Jason Tatum has flipped that dynamic over the course of this series. And yes, I believe something stupid like eight made mid-range jump shots in a three-game span can contribute in a large way to that wave of confidence. Boston's defense, I thought, was fantastic tonight. I talked about this earlier.

The zone was a big part of that late run for Miami, but Miami was having a lot of success against Boston and their man-to-man defense in the second half as well, just being really physical, digging down into driving lanes, and they slowed down Jason Tatum. They got a lot of stops in that second half. But Boston kept control of the game for the most part because they were also dominating the game on the other end of the floor.

before that late run, and I haven't looked at the stat sheet since then, but before that late run, Miami had 28 points in the paint total. Like Boston was dominating all those rim confrontations. Jimmy Butler loves to drive really hard to his left and get a jump stop into a guy's chest and turn back over his left shoulder for a hook shot. He was not even taking that shot down the stretch of this game, at least until that final stretch when he started being aggressive to the rim. But he wouldn't even look into shoot when he was getting downhill, in large part because

he was scared, not scared. Scares is the wrong word. He was worried that he wasn't going to be able to get a decent look or that he was going to get blocked just because the sheer amount of rim protection that Boston was throwing at them with Al Hortford and Jason Tatum was flying around. Jaylen Brown was flying around. Robert Williams was making all sorts of plays.

They got in Miami's head in the painted area to the point where their two best athletes, Jimmy Butler and Bayam at a bio, were really struggling down there. And so again, Boston's offensive struggles are an important part of their identity, right? But their defensive identity can carry them through those stretches, and they did. I want to talk about Jimmy Butler for just a minute,

because I did think it was interesting that they ran through Duncan Robinson as much as they did in that fourth quarter. And up until that final run, he really struggled. And this is kind of becoming a little bit of a recurring theme with Jimmy Butler, and credit to Jimmy because he damn near stole that game. And that's just Jimmy Butler's supreme confidence, never getting down enough on himself to allow a bad three and a half quarters to affect him down the stretch. Credit to Jimmy there, but his impactfulness has taken a nosedive over the course of the tail end of this series.

And this is, again, a recurring thing. Last year in the Eastern Conference finals, same sort of deal. Like in the middle portion of that series, not the same guy. Now he was banged up, but I think he's a little banged up in this series too. And that's part of the deal. Like as things progress, you can get these really big. time Jimmy Butler games and moments, but you can also get these stinkers in there, too. And that's kind of part of what comes with that Jimmy Butler experience. That's what happened in the 2020

finals, I remember. Like, game five will go for 40 and steal a game. And then in game six, he's like straight up ineffective, you know. And again, like when people, I see a lot of heat fans and people be like, oh, Jimmy Butler is every bit as good as your favorite player? He's everybody as good as LeBron or is every bit as good as Kevin Duran or Steph Curry or Janice? And it's like, this is the difference. The difference is, is like, when you get to this level, like, if LeBron James has eight points in a game,

like I think Jimmy had a couple single digit scoring games in last year's Eastern Conference finals, everybody would be having apoplexy about it, right? Like, part of the Jimmy Butler experience is, like, you're going to get otherworldly play from him three or four times in a series, but those other games can be, he just looks exhausted.

I don't really have a good explanation for it. I don't know if it's him getting hurt. I don't know if it's just the sheer amount of energy it requires for him to be as impactful as he is and it being fatigue-related, but this is, you know, they've three of the last four years, they've made it to the Eastern Conference finals,

and in three of the last four years, he's kind of fatigued on his way to getting eliminated and had some rough games in there. It's become part of the Jimmy Butler experience, which, again, goes to show you, like, as we kind of zoom out from this, because as we look at game seven, like, Boston's probably going to win. They're an eight-point favorite, which is what I had predicted. Obviously, Miami can win. Boston is an arrogant team. Don't be surprised if they mess around, and then it's a close game late, Miami steals it. It's certainly on the table, but I think Boston will probably win.

and even if Miami does win, I don't think they have any chance to win in the NBA finals against Denver. And so at a certain point, as you're looking out from this, Jimmy Butler clearly is not capable of doing this all by himself. You know, Bamadabio is a fantastic player, but he's not going to go blow for blow

with another team star for a seven-game series at this stage, right? Eric Spolstra is the best coach in the league, but he can only do so much with the amount of talent that he has on the roster. at what point does Miami put a more functional talented roster together to give themselves a better chance to compete in these environments? Because you've got a certain point look at how good Eric Spolstra is and how good Jimmy Butler is in these late game situations and be like, man, we are one legitimate shot creator away and another forward, an athletic forward away from being a team that can legitimately win the whole thing. but right now they're just like squeezing every last drop out of the sponge and the sponge is completely dry when they get eliminated in some late round of the playoffs

and so at a certain point you need to you need to give them a bigger sponge so to speak um all right so i do expect boston to win game seven this seems like if anything the scare there down the stretch will inspire them to bring the requisite effort certainly give miami a chance i would never give them less than a 30, 40% chance to win a game like this with the amount of faith that I have in Eric Spolstra and Jimmy Butler and Bamatabio. But I do think Boston will win. And I do think for all of us basketball fans, that's better because I think Boston's going to give Denver a much better fight in the finals should we get to that point. All right, guys, that is all we have for right now. We are taking tomorrow off. I will see you guys on Monday night for game seven of the Eastern

Conference Finals. As always, I appreciate you guys rocking with us. We'll see you then. SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform?

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