The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hoops Tonight - Debating how "ethical" Bam Adebayo's 83-point game was for Miami Heat | NBA Reaction | Nerd Sesh

Episode Date: March 12, 2026

Jason is joined by Carson Breber of 'Nerd Sesh' to react to Bam Adebayo's 83-point game for the Miami Heat, compare it to other high scoring NBA games such as Kobe Bryant getting 81 with the Los Angeles Lakers and Wilt Chamberlain going for 100 with the Golden State Warriors, and debate how ethical it was. All lines presented by Hard Rock Bet.  #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And I'm bringing Carson on because last night, he had a tweet that got viewed one and a half million times where Carson said. To be clear, Carson, you did backtrack this just a little bit. You toned it down a little bit. And I'm going to give you a chance to kind of frame it. Yeah, yeah, sure. But you said, Bam just had the grossest historic game ever. He became the first player, first ever player to score 70 while shooting under 50% on field goals, 20 for 43.

He attempted 43 free throws and made 36, both the most ever. And he played 42 minutes and his team intentionally fouled to prolong a 30 point blowout. So what I would like to do today is just take, you know, about 20 minutes. Yeah, just debate this Bamatabio performance because I think people are overreacting to it a little bit. Carson, we've had some fun debates over the years. This is a very different type of debate, but I thought this one would be fun. Why don't you just kind of frame that tweet and give us your perspective on how you're feeling after Bam's performance last night? I should also say really quick, we're not going to talk about the Miami Heat today, but they have one nine out of 11. they have been playing some pretty good basketball,

and this kind of distracts from that a little bit. We'll talk about that some other time. But Carson, what did you think about BAM's night last night? Yeah, Heat fans, before you get mad, I mean, my co-host, Logan, had the Heat ranked above the Pistons as a contender on the show yesterday, which I was not expecting. He's drinking the Heat Kool-Aid, and I think he's now going to take credit for summoning a BAM 83-point game with his optimism.

I really do stand by what I said in that tweet. the only shift that I've had in my view of that game is sort of going from like disgust watching it in real time to just more of an appreciation of like how funny it was how absurd it all was like people enjoying it from that perspective I really do get it is hilarious that of all people to top the 81 point mark the Kobe set in 2006 bam out of bio is the one who did it it is hilarious that he did it on a Tuesday night game against the tanking Washington Wizards in a game in which they were forcing him touches every single possession and the war and the wizards were triple teaming him and they still couldn't keep from fouling him and like that being as gross and nasty and just stupid as it was is really

funny that being said people treating this as though it is like the performance of the year as though it is one of the greatest scoring performances of all time to me that's just insane considering I know that we all just watched the same thing and it was absurd it was a clown show it was a singular effort to get a guy to a single point total I have people telling me that was the best basketball performance of the year that wasn't even a basketball game

man like it was a joke so I do not in any way hold it against Bam that he went for this record I do not hold it against the heat that they went for it like you are playing the Wizards on a Tuesday night meaningless game like have some fun man You have a chance to break Kobe's record and become the player to score the second most points in NBA game ever. Your BAM out of bio, your previous career highs, 41 points, like, go do that, dude. But the notion that we all have to revere this as a historic performance and pretend that we enjoyed watching and pretend that we were impressed by a second half in which BAM was 7 of 19 from the field and 24 of 29 from the free throw line.

Like, I admire the commitment of this effort to get him that many points. But the first quarter was incredible. And also when I tweeted that, and I acknowledged this at the time, but I hadn't even watched the first quarter. Like I didn't tune into the game from tip off. I came in to watch the second half. And what I saw for the entire second half was bam chucking up garbage or getting fouled every single time that he did ultimately score.

So it was very unappealing to watch. And ultimately, I think it's more of like a funny sort of oddity moment in NBA history than it is like this incredible. incredible performance. And like it's still obviously by far the best scoring game of BAM's career. But personally, it would have left a better taste in my mouth if he got 60 just by like playing more within the flow of a normal basketball game and not shooting 20 of 43 from the field and taking 43 free throws. There's so many angles I want to get into here. First of all, if you were watching Heat Wizards instead of some of the other games in that slate last night, I, I, I, I, I,

do feel bad for you. We all kind of joined in at the end. I did get a text from Jackson at one point is like, yo, Bam had a 30 point first quarter. And I was like, oh, okay, that's interesting. Like I'm looking forward to watching that. Then all of a sudden, the next time I checked, he had 77. So like, yeah, similarly caught it, it got into it at the end. And of course, that was one. It was super ugly. What I'd like to do, because there's a historic way to look at this, because I think there's a big difference between the high scoring games in NBA history that were Biggs versus these like pull up shooters because there's a very specific type of player that like Donovan Mitchell, Luca Donchich, Kobe Bryant, Devin Booker type of player that's like a guy who can get red hot on pull up jump shots versus like bam who like hits a bunch of threes early but is obviously not a good shooter. So then when he started chucking three's late, it was like brick, brick, brick, brick, you know, that and that that's the difference between the the bigs versus the pull up shooters. But I do think the big's, it manifests in a different way.

Because first of all, we have to acknowledge the, the framework of most of these games. Almost every super high scoring game in NBA history has been unsurious. In large part because of the fact that a serious basketball game is not going to allow a player to get to that type of point total and in the vast majority of circumstances.

You dig back the Knicks team that Wilt scored 100 on had like, they were like 20 games below. 500. That was a bad team. The Raptors team that that Kobe scored all of his points on. That was a very bad defense. The, uh, like when Lucas scored 70, it was against the wizards. This team against the wizards, the Devin Booker 70. That was when the sons were a really bad team. So he was jacking up. Like it, there's a certain air of unsurious basketball you need to assume these types of point totals. Now with with this particular game, it kind of reminds me of the storytelling surrounding the

Wilt game. Because again, there's a, no video of the wilt game. It's all just what we've heard from stories. But famously, he got fouled a lot. They were intentionally fouling to get the ball back. A lot of like similarities to what we saw at the tail end of the game. The first piece of this, he goes 20 from 43 from the field. When I went back and watched the game this morning, he came out early and was just absolutely frying everybody. And then on every single deep catch, whether it was on a post up, whether it was on an offensive rebound, whether it was on a drive, the wizards were straight up like bear hugging him and like tackling him under the

basket. So like, let's say they just concede more of those as layups, then he's probably 30 for 53 and we're not having the field goal percentage conversation. So like there's a certain amount of like he was getting bear hugged underneath the basket that I think hurts the numbers in kind of that weird, that specific weird way. And I would argue the main way that he was able to get to the 83 was down the stretch. He was just super physically aggressive towards the baskets and the wizard just the wizard just kept fouling him. So like I think it because it was a big man high scoring game, it was not aesthetically appealing. That is the biggest thing that I agree with you. It was not an aesthetically appealing performance after the first quarter because

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and it sails like 12 feet over his head like, you know, some of the turnovers that he'd had, just trying to force the ball to Bam was so ridiculous in this game. But absolutely. I would not sit here and say that Wilt's 100 point game was legit. Now, what does feel different about that to me is Wilts already had the record by that point, and they were just trying to extend it, whereas this, even though it doesn't pass the record, obviously,

Kobe's 81 has been seen as the modern total to aspire to, right? Or can somebody get that in a single game? And to me, that's been a really interesting question, an experiment that I would like to see. We saw a version of the experiment. It was just deeply anticlimactic in terms of how unsurious it was. And you mentioned, absolutely. We have seen unserious super high scoring total performances, like among the ones that you mention, the Wilt game with the intentional fouling at the end and also Wilt shot 63 times in that game, I believe.

And then the Kobe game, you know, I do think was like significantly more legitimate than this one. Like I've seen people try to draw comparisons. They're like, oh, Kobe shot 13 of their last 17 shots in that game. I'm like, you think that compares to what we just saw from BAM out of Iowa in the Miami Heat where not just as he's staying in a 30. point blowout. They are intentionally fouling. They are forcing the ball to him every single possession. Like, no, obviously, you have to be selfish pretty much to score 80 points. Like you said, like just because defensive coverages in any sort of remotely serious game are going to dictate, hey, that guy is 70. Let's make him start passing. And so I'm not saying that it's not about

being selfish. You have to do that to get these sort of totals, but you can still do it in a way that is more efficient and like still certainly less egregious. And then I would add even on top of some of the examples that you mentioned. Like twice we've seen a player go off for 70 when they're actively going for the scoring title. David Thompson did it. David Robinson did it. So there are a number of those instances. What I think is different is in recent years, we have seen people be able to get 70 more

legitimately. Like Luca did it against the Hawks in a close game. Joel and B. did it to Victor Wembenyama in a pretty close game. Donovan Mitchell did it in a close game. Damien Lillard even did it in a reasonably close game. So I do think offensive skill is at such a high point in today's NBA that it was not out of the question that somebody could actually get to that mark legitimately. Now, this year we hadn't seen anybody even score 60.

So it's a total outlier performance. But again, it came with these total outlier theatrics. I take your point on the free throws and how those otherwise might have just been easy baskets for BAM. I would also counter and we'd have to go through and look possession by possession. There were a lot of spots where they were just being so wildly undisciplined and they're fouling him like 14, 15 feet away from the basket. He's starting a drive, but he goes into an upward shooting motion and it's just like the dumbest foul you've ever seen. That's what a lot of it specifically down the stretch was. And that just objectively sucks to watch.

I'm not saying that like free throws are unethical, anything like that. I'm pro free throws. The free throw is the most efficient way that you can score in a basketball. game. I think that's good. But some of the nonsense I've seen of people being like, oh, well, if you didn't like this game, you can't like Shea as a basketball player. You can't think Shea's a great basketball, but I'm like, Shea taking nine

free throws a game. On top of this all-time great finishing and shot making, we're equating that to Bam out of Bio, just accepting 43 free throws in a game that is ultimately supposed to be fun. Like, when you go for a scoring achievement like this, you're going for the wow factor. You're going for just, oh my God, what experience that was to watch it. And if people really enjoyed it, that's okay. That was not the case for me.

I was watching this. I was like, this is disgusting. It's bad basketball. I do think it's funny. I think it is going to be hilarious to see what sort of bam out of bio narratives pop up three decades from now. Are people going to think this guy had like just a gear that he could get to as a score, but he was so selfless that he didn't get there often? Like, I don't know.

That's going to be crazy to see it's hilarious to see his name up there between Wilton Kobe. But again, just as a scoring achievement, I don't really value it. And I do like the history. Maybe that's why my reaction was like horror a little more. more so initially than other people. Like, I love the history and I wanted to see somebody get to that mark in a way that felt legitimate if it was going to happen. And it just didn't feel that way.

Yeah, this is another number that you're going to have in that brain of yours that can recall every single lineup from 1950. I think this one's going to be pretty easy for everybody to remember. I think this one's going to stand out. Yeah, it's funny because like, you can tell what happened. First of all, one of the, one of the funny little plots. I actually talked about this in our video over the, uh, from the weekend on, on Monday. but like the heat have been having more success. And part of the reason is like Tyler Harrow and

Bam etabio both just been super aggressive. There's no messing around. It's those two guys taking a million shots. I mean, band for the record, never in his career has averaged over 15 shot attempts per game. In the seven games before this one, so take this one and get it out of there. In the seven games before this one, he was averaging 20 shot attempts per game. Like Bam has been chucking for a long time. And he came out and just started chucking on Alexar and he was hitting all of his shots. And next thing you know, he's got a 30 point quarter. And you can kind of see how it generates like all the expulsers said it after the game. All of a sudden he had 50 all of a sudden he had 60. And you just next thing you know, it's like, well, let's go for it. And I generally to like the 82 game season is really long. And I'm in support of teams looking for wins, especially like like a heat team that has been incredibly mediocre all year long.

like I can see I can see why they would hunt or morale boost like this. I don't really necessarily have a problem with that. It was ugly. I just think it's funny how often it's painted as though these performances are supposed to always be picture perfect. For the most part, records when you go through NBA history, whether it's like even like LeBron's shot that he hit to pass MJ,

just kind of felt weird because it was in the middle of that season right when the Lakers were getting ready to trade all their players, right? or like Kobe's final game. Like the fact that he got hot late and Utah soiled themselves the way that they did allowed Kobe to have a game winner. And so it had this like aura. That game was a chore to watch. And it was cringy at times when Kobe was jacking up bad shots over and over again

over the course of the game. So like the main point that I've been trying to make is just that like, yes, it was ugly. most of these have been ugly. To your point, some have been less ugly. The Kobe one is less ugly. The Luca one, which again, as you corrected me, it's against the Hawks, not the Wizards. That that game was less ugly. The Donovan Mitchell one was less ugly. But like they're, they're more aesthetically appealing basketball players. That's the other part of this too. And that's where I wanted to differentiate between the Bam and the Wilt one and these ones in the

sense that these guys are incredibly refined scores. And one of the things that makes this possible, the reason why we've had so many 70 point games in recent years is like our pull up shooters in the NBA right now are insane. And like even like Shea adding the step back three, it's made him completely unguardable at the end of these games. You can't really guard the pull up three unless you're double teaming a guy 40, 50 feet away from the basket. And so like, there's a certain amount of like a dude can get hot and he can have a more aesthetically appealing version of this. But it's almost always against a bad team. It's almost always in an unsurious game. There's almost always some shenanigans towards the end of the game

where you're seeing the other team double team, the hunting of shots. Like that's my whole thing is like I think there's a certain amount of like this is just what this sort of thing looks like because it's an unsurious basketball environment. I think we will disagree. just in terms of how egregious this was. I do not fundamentally disagree with your point. We have never seen anything like this, though. Again, the Warriors intentionally fouled in the Wilt game. The Sons did it in the game they were losing, by the way, just to get booked to 70.

Like, we have seen that. We have not seen a prolonged effort. This was this absurd. And by the way, I don't even buy that from Smol. You look up and he's got 50. You look at me, he's got 60. No, you looked up and he had 31. And that was incredible.

And that came within the flow of the game. And everything after that, felt like such a concerted effort. And we can even take the aesthetics out of it, right? We can say, okay, free throws count the same as everything else, even though obviously I think it was a less enjoyable viewing experience. If you just look at like the extent to which the game was forced to BAM as a score, he had 62 scoring attempts in this game.

Kobe in his 81 point game had 53. If you look at all the other guys who have dropped 70, they're like 45 to 50. I think Luke only had like 40. Like, Lucas 70 point game was insane. In a close game, he missed eight shots and he scored 70, and he, like, played a relatively normal game. He had seven assists. Like, that one is absurd.

Mitchell had 11 assists. Like, I do want to be clear. I don't disagree with your point, but I also think there are examples of this being done legitimately, and BAM is the most extreme example of it being done illegitimately that we've ever seen. I truly do believe that. The second most scoring attempts any player has had in a game, since 2000 was actually the game that you mentioned.

Kobe's final game when he had 55 scoring attempts in that way. So there's still a gap between BAM and everybody else. And like, if we were judging that game as one of Kobe's great games, obviously it wouldn't hold up whatsoever. What made that game cool is 37-year-old Kobe Bryant. He's been terrible all season. Like, let's get one last massive scoring performance in there. And then as you mentioned, he caught fire at the right moment.

If anybody is trying to rewrite history and say, that was a masterful scoring performance. And then that was a pretty watch. Like, no, that game was another like side show joke. But ultimately, Kobe did at least catch fire at the right time. And we're judging them by a totally different standard because it was a retirement celebration. We all knew that going in as opposed to this sort of like changing meaning as the game went along because it went from being a basketball game to being all about let's get Bamatabio as many points as we can by whatever means necessary. the Wizards, though.

No, that's a great point. And I do think there's an angle here that like, this is just on the wizards. This is the fault of nobody but the Washington Wizards. And what's most incredible to me is obviously you can say, oh, my God, well, they should have gotten way more aggressive with their coverages early in this game. Once they were triple teaming him, they still couldn't stop fouling. That's incredible. That's incredible incompetence.

Yeah. It is maybe, maybe this is the answer to tanking. Once a year, you just need to call in the 70 bomb, the 80 bomb and say, let's shame this team out of it. I don't think it's going to work, but the Wizards, something else, man. Yeah, last thing we'll hit before we get out of here. I do, I did find the reaction to this incident to be very fascinating in how like it evenly split the entire basketball world. Because like it truly felt like half the people were like, this is bullshit. And then it truly felt like the other half of the people were like, whoa, cool, Bam, out of BIOS.

scored 83 points. Like I've seen a lot of like the, the Laker fans in particular are the ones that cracked me up because I'm like Kobe was one of the most shameless shot chuckers and literally the history of the NBA. So like now it never was this bad to your point. Right. Like I do think Kobe would have been more amenable to this just simply because he did this kind of shit from time to time.

But like it has been really fascinating to see like this was the issue like the 50 yard line issue that would just drop right in the middle of the basketball world. and split everybody. Like the amount of people that were so upset last night, like really upset, like just, just tweeting through it. Like it was so funny how many people were so upset last. Yeah, I do want to be clear about that.

I'm not mad about this. I just didn't enjoy watching it. That was my take. I'm like, it sucks to watch in my opinion. Not because I'm a Kobe guy. I am not a Kobe guy. Like it's not some particular effort to be like, we have to preserve the legacy of that game.

I'm like, no, I just wanted to see somebody do it legitimately, and that was not it. And now the other thing that I do think is going to be an unfortunate byproduct of this, and we should probably all just ignore it, but it's going to happen is the takes we're going to see from the national media today about everything this says about today's NBA. There's no defense, unsurious teams, anybody can score X if they want to. Bam out of I-Oh, who's that? He did that. Like, it's just going to be the worst.

And again, that's not Banful. I'm happy for Bam. like he's clearly loving this as he should. It is hilarious. It's incredible. It's bam out of bio who did it. But watching the second half of that game was gross. That was really my only complaint about it. You were correct.

It was gross. Yeah. It was gross. You're right. Today's media cycle is going to be gross. The last thing I'll say is I do think that when we talk about scoring this particular record is just a novelty. Like Kevin Durant is arguably a top two or three score of all time.

That dude never hunted shots to the extent where, he could hit massive scoring totals. He's not scored 60. Yeah. Like when I think of Kobe as a score, I think about some of the things he did in the playoffs or extended runs of scoring, like when he had that one stretch where he went like 60, 50, 60 or whatever it was that he did that four game stretch. Like when I think about, you know, even like LeBron James is a score, I'm not thinking

about the all time scoring record. I'm thinking about like him routinely for years and years being 27 points per game in the postseason on 60 percent. or like, you know, when I think of Donovan Mitchell as a score, I literally think about him being the most reliable 30 point per game, 60% true shooting guy the last few years. Devin Booker, I think about him hitting tough pull-ups over Drew Holiday and the NBA finals. Like, guys, when we're talking about scoring, this is just a novelty. It just is.

It's a novelty record. It was from the beginning when there's all we have of the record is a dude holding a piece of paper. Like, I do think there's a certain amount of like this is, this is gimmicky. design. Like no real basketball game where we'll ever have people hitting these kinds of totals. But Carson, I appreciate you taking a couple

minutes out of your morning to come hang out with us. This was fun. Bam out of bio-scorting 83 was fun. It was ugly but fun. I'm glad we were able to get into it a little bit. Really quickly before we get out of here, can you just shout out NerdSession tell everybody where they can find your stuff. Yeah, absolutely. Appreciate you having me on. As always, man, this was a ton of fun. You can find

all of our stuff on YouTube, NerdSesh. We do NBA stuff. We've got an NFL offseason show going to today too. If Jason isn't scratching your itch there with the NFL, then come on over. We've got that as well. But yeah, I appreciate you as always, man. Shout out to Bam at a bio. Shout out to heat culture. Heat culture, I guess now they are all about getting dudes 80 points. Yeah, exactly. Do it again. Let's get Hero next. Shamedless stat padding for heat culture.

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