The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hoops Tonight - Game 5 Reactions: Wolves Eliminate Lakers, Rockets Extend Series vs. Warriors

Episode Date: May 1, 2025

Jason reacts live after the Minnesota Timberwolves grind out a win over the Los Angeles Lakers to win the series and send LA home. He discusses Anthony Edwards shooting struggles, Luka Doncic’s up and down play, and LeBron James having another good game but getting banged up. Then he discusses the Alperen Sengun and Dillon Brooks’ Houston Rockets dominating Steph Curry’s Golden State Warriors to force a Game 6 on Friday.    Follow the show on Playback for future “Aftershow” content: https://www.playback.tv/hoopstonight  Visit microsoft.com/challengers to learn more. #Volume #Herd  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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audio. tonight here at the volume. Happy Wednesday, everybody. Hope all of you guys are having a great week on a jam-pack show for you guys. Tonight, we had the Minnesota Tim Wolves deliver the final nail into the coffin of the Los Angeles Lakers, the first iteration of the Luca Donchich, Los Angeles Lakers. We're going to start with that game, breaking it down from every single angle. After that, the Houston Rockets beat up on the Golden State Warriors tonight and now come that I kind of sort of saw coming that we'll talk about both why I'm not overly concerned for the Warriors,

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tonight. There was a certain dynamic after the first four games of this series where it was clear that the wolves had won the key swing stretches of the series, but it was also clear that the Lakers had some advantages and there were extended stretch of the series where they had success, right? Like through the first three quarters of game four, for instance, or in game three, up until the point where it was tied 103 103 with a few minutes left or all of game two when they were in control, right? Like, the first two games, they trade blowouts, and then you have these two knock-down, drag-out fights in Minnesota that come down to the final few possessions, and in both games, the wolves did look better. But you could at least talk yourself into the Lakers having a

chance, right? Well, Luka was very sick in game three of the series. There were a couple of calls that went against the Lakers late in game four, right? You could at least talk yourself into the Lakers having underachieved and potentially being capable of regaining control of the series. tonight was the game or the wolves sent the clear message that they're just the better basketball team. They jumped them early. Throughout the game, it was abundantly clear that the wolves

were able to generate offense easier. The only reason the Timberwolves didn't win this game by 25 something points is how many wide open threes they ended up missing. You want to know a big part of how Rudy Gobert ended up with nine rebounds. It's because all these wide open threes were clanging off the rim as the Lakers were in transition. That

could have gotten way uglier than it looked on the scoreboard. They're defense seemed to clearly win. I was talking about that battle, like, which unit is going to make the opposing unit more uncomfortable. I thought the defense for the Timberwolves clearly did a better job of making the Lakers uncomfortable than vice versa. The day giveaway was tonight. There were these possessions where Austin, LeBron, and Luca would all be on the floor together. Two of them would be on the floor. And the wolves would be switching. And every defender on the floor would be a good defender and it looked like the Lakers didn't have a guy who was like, give me the fucking

ball. I'm going to go to work here. All of them were kind of hot potatoing the ball around because none of them really felt comfortable attacking any of the matchups. Any ground that the Lakers seemed to gain as a half-court offense was lost in this game. I thought the wolves clearly demonstrated that they were the better team tonight and removed any doubt as to any of the weird factors that might have had any effect shifting the early games of the series. Rudy Gaubert was amazing tonight as an offensive rebounder and is a vertical spacer. The Lakers tried to do a lot more doubling against Anthony Edwards tonight. That led to a lot of weak side disadvantages, meaning like guards trying to box out Rudy or in many cases, nobody trying to box out Rudy.

I thought LeBron had one of his worst games of the series, probably his worst game of the series in terms of his defensive activity and his work on the defensive glass. And when like the problem is is when LeBron's not really engaged on the defensive glass, this team just can't rebound. They just don't have the size on that back line. And Rudy Gobert just bullied them over and over and over again, 27 points and 24 rebounds. That's an unbelievable stat line for Rudy Gobert in a closeout game. And a big moment for him, especially after what happened between him and Luca last year in the postseason, had to have been feeling good for Rudy Gobert there heading back to the locker room after closing that deal. I thought Julius Randall was awesome the entire series. I thought he was awesome on defense. I thought,

with exception of a handful of bad shots here or there, I thought he was effective as a score. I thought that he piqued late in games was great creating advantages out of the post and high post in the fourth quarter of tonight's game. He did work on the offensive glass in game four. Julius, this is one of the few things with Minnesota that I had a good read on coming into the series. I believed in Julius Randall. I thought that he was a victim of circumstance in most cases previously in his playoff career. And I thought that he demonstrated that he's capable of being a very impactful playoff player in the series, specifically because of his size and physicality and how that translates into these uber physical environments. And, you know, one of the things we talked

about in, uh, after the Julius Randall trade was the idea that, you know, Carl Anthony Towns is a better basketball player than Julius Randall in a vacuum, right? And there are certain things that he does that were helpful to Minnesota, specifically his ability to space the floor, right? But with Julius Randall from the day the trade was made, one of the things I talked about was he is a better high post, low post shot creator than Carl Anthony Towns. He's better at that specific gift, right? And in the fourth quarter tonight, they went to him repeatedly there in that spot against LeBron, against Luca, against Austin Reeves. And he repeatedly got to his spot in the middle of the floor for shots or right at the front of the rim. He was dominant tonight. And I thought he, I thought he

clearly demonstrated that he's capable of being an impactful playoff player when he's healthy and in rhythm. And there was no advantage attacking Julius. There was nothing that LeBron was getting on Julius one and one on one. There was nothing that Luca was getting on Julius one on one. It's a good matchup for him. And it'll be interesting to see, let's say, if he faces a golden state in the next round, a team that more attacks his, his focus and discipline defensively, because it's going to be so much more about navigating the blender of the Golden State offense and having to chase down, chase around smaller, quicker players. But in this kind of matchup where it's like a team led by two bully ball forwards,

Julius proved to be a very impactful defensive player because of his ability to hold up on an island in those situations. Jada McDaniels. Jada McDaniels got his ass kicked by Luca Donchich last year in the postseason. I thought he just did a way better job this year with his physicality, shrinking that space as Luca was trying to get into his step back in the mid-range. there was none of that dynamic we saw last year where it looked like Luca was constantly dislodging Jaden McDaniels off of his base and just getting wherever he wanted to on the floor. I thought he did a much better job on Luca in this series than he did last year.

He also showed the pop as a weak side scoring forward. We've talked so much about this as like a very important player archetype this year. And look, look, there were games where he wasn't as effective. He wasn't very good in game two offensively. He wasn't very good tonight offensively. but there were games in this series, specifically game one and games three and four at stretches, where he was profoundly impactful offensively because of the ability to be that weak side scoring for it. And it wasn't even knocking down threes.

It was catching and ripping on closeouts and just repeatedly getting to the rim, doing damage on the offensive glass. He had two more offensive rebounds tonight. Like Jada McDaniels was better in this series than he was last year. Nas Reid, I thought the story of his series was late game shot making. they probably don't win game three or game four if not for naus reed being able to come in and provide the scoring off of the bench in that situation the way he was able to providing anthony edwards with a clean kickout read on the left wing in game three him scoring out

of action in game four coming off of a horn's action or in transition in game four attacking austin reves in a post up and getting to his right shoulder hook in finishing in the lane Nas Reid was a huge part of their ability to score down the stretch in this series. Dante DiVincenzo, his ball pressure throughout the series, especially on Austin Reeves. There were stretches of this series, like tonight, for example, where he looked more impactful than Austin in this series. Like, there was just down the line so many great contributions from a Minnesota team. And look, here's the deal.

If you're going to win a series in five, when you were an underdog going into the series, it's going to require a bunch of guys down the roster winning their matchups. and there were just so many examples of that in this series. And so before we talk a little bit more about the superstar matchup, I want to get into our course correction segment with Microsoft with respect to Anthony Edwards. Welcome to course correction brought to you by Microsoft, just like star players and teams navigating performance hurdles. Business decision makers today are under immense pressure to get things right.

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to say, bring it on. This week's player of the week is Anthony Edwards and his dominance in the Lakers Timberwolf Series. I thought it was fantastic tonight in a way that won't show up in the box score, five for 19, right? didn't have a single turnover and eight assists. The third game in the series where his high playmaking totals with low turnovers,

he throughout this game, specifically in the second quarter, when the Lakers started bringing a lot of double teams, and it was fantastic in that second quarter stretch. And then like multiple times in the fourth quarter tonight, just making simple reads, like that simple driving kickout read off of Luca to Mike Conley in the right corner. There were so many examples where you remember in game two

when Aunt had zero assist, how I talked about how he didn't make the strong side corner pass a single time. and how it was there and he just wasn't making it. There in that second quarter, he was making it. Just thrusting Nikiel Alexander Walker there in the right corner, even after he just airballed a shot from the same spot. You know how mature it is for him in that situation to go, I'm not going to force the issue here.

I'm just going to dump it right back to the strong side corner because it's open and Nikiel's going to confidently step into the shot and knock it down. I thought he was so mature as a half court surgeon in this series. and then in the big moments in game three and game four down the stretch game three time three, boom, step back three, boom, driving kick to Nas read on the left wing, boom, he was fantastic down the stretch. Game four starts the fourth quarter down double digits hits three ridiculous off the dribble jump shots that immediately changed the tone and tenor of the game,

had another driving kick to Dante Divenzo on the left wing who drove it for an and one. every time this series was hanging in the balance one way or the other, Anthony Edwards grabbed the reins resoundingly and just took control of the series. He has solidified himself, in my opinion, as a top five player in this league. I saw some comments on Twitter earlier today talking about how the Lakers' lack of rim protection was allowing people to get fooled by Anthony Edwards again. And don't get me wrong. there's no doubt that rim protection combined with a better perimeter athlete

will present a different problem for Anthony Edwards, right? Like Derek Jones Jr. and Daniel Gafford and Derek lively, different type of challenge defensively than what the Lakers presented. I'd even argue the Warriors with their ability to put a guy like Moses Moody on the ball who's just a bigger, better athlete than the Lakers have on the perimeter and Draymond Green on the backline is going to be a bigger challenge. And I think Steve Kerr is a better coach than JJ Reddick. I think the Warriors are overall a better, smarter,

team than the Lakers. I think that the Warriors defense, as I've consistently said this year, is just another level above what the Lakers are defensively. So Ant's going to have another challenge in the next round. It's not going to be the same. But I think trying to minimize Ant's success in this series to just the Lakers lacking rim protection is missing the point. He was below 50% in the restricted area before tonight's game. I haven't seen the numbers from tonight, but I would imagine he is below 50% in the restricted area again. He did not win this series getting to the rim. He won this series making quality decisions as a point guard and with his over-the-top

shot making. And those were the things last year that failed him in the Dallas series. And so, yeah, like there's more challenges ahead. This Lakers team, I think, has been pretty clearly revealed in this first round series as a team that was not as good as I thought they were. We're going to talk a little bit about that in a few minutes. But with Ant moving forward, I did think that this was a positive step in his development, the next level that he had to pass.

There's more levels ahead. He's got a long way to go. But I think he's clearly in the top five. I think he's clearly a top tier superstar in this league. He was fantastic defensively all series long in this matchup. I thought Ant was just amazing. That's it for this week's course correction. Remember Microsoft's AI solutions empower you to take bold steps and make informed decisions,

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There's two main areas. The big one is, is like, I thought that Anthony Edwards just cleanly and clearly outplayed Luca Donchich in the series. I just thought he was the better basketball player on both ends of the floor. And, you know, when I came into the series, I just thought that that was a matchup that Luca would win. And I thought, like, Ant would be closer to where LeBron was is like a guy that looked like somewhere in the five to ten best player in the league,

but not being able to be the same kind of commanding presence that Luca is as an offensive force in the series. And Ant just was able to flip that dynamic. And for all of the talk, I've seen a lot of talk. I saw Carson Breber, when my friend from NerdSash do a video yesterday, talking about depth and how important depth is in the NBA. And I don't disagree. I think depth is super important.

It'd be really nice if you could have a depth piece that you can go to. Everyone was bitching at a JJ Reddick for not playing any of his bench guys in game four. How did Jared Vanderbilt look down the stretch tonight guys? Like there wasn't exactly a guy that that JJ trusted to put out there in those situations, right? The reality is, though, is that in these sorts of situations, it comes down to when you're in the half court, your superstar has a superpower. and that superpower is what overcomes surrounding circumstances. And like that that's the reality. Like the Lakers couldn't score in this series.

They had shooting on the floor. They had play finishing on the floor. And when they generated fantastic looks, they went in. But it came down to ultimately, Luca could not create that initial advantage. He could not beat his one-on-one defender, profoundly enough to dictate that second defender that could get the defense and rotation

and allow the Lakers to generate wide open shots. He wasn't able to do it effectively enough. On the other end of the floor, Anthony Edwards and what he does was dictating two, sometimes three defenders every single time down the floor. And so his team was able to repeatedly generate fantastic looks. And so here's the thing.

Do I think the Lakers roster has issues? Yeah. they need to get a legitimate bona fide center. We're going to talk about some of the other kind of like deficits that they have and where the Lakers should go from here. I didn't think J.J. Reddick had a good series. But ultimately, I thought it came down to Luca outplayed aunt, Julius Randall outplayed LeBron.

It's really difficult to overcome that, no matter how good your coach is, no matter how deep you are, no matter what other, you know, kind of cards you can pull out of the deck, so to speak. if your stars get beat, it's going to be really hard to win. And like when I saw that, you know, that message from Carson, like, I think it's valuable in terms of like just how athletic the game is now with how fast everyone plays.

To have seven or eight guys that you really trust is a huge asset. But I look at the Denver series and I think that they're winning because Yokic is the best player and he's dominating the star matchup. and Jamal Murray is kicking James Hardin's butt. And I look at this series, and I think Anthony Edwards and Julius Randall outplayed Luca and LeBron. And I look at the Celtics Magic series, and I'm watching Game 4, you know,

pivotal game 4 down on the road in Orlando, and Jason Tatum is surgical on one end of the floor, and Palo Bancarro looks like he doesn't know what he wants to do on the other end of the 4. Even looking at the Pacers series, how did the Pacers pull that out? down the stretch, Tyrese Halliburton just backpacked the team in crunch time. And ultimately, I still think having the best player in a series really does matter.

Even though depth also matters, I think that this was a good example, and there were several examples in this first round of the star matchup playing a big role in how these series go. So where do the Lakers go from here? We can get more into it in the mailbag. I'd imagine we're going to talk a lot of big picture Lakers stuff here and on playback here in a little bit. But like I thought there were obvious athleticism deficits.

sits. You know, if there's one thing that I just didn't listen to my own, like, I let my heart get in front of my head, so to speak, I watched every single minute of the Minnesota Timberwolves kicking the shit out of the Denver Nuggets last year. I watched every single minute of the Minnesota Timberwolves kicking the shit out of the Phoenix Suns last year. I watched probably like the better part of 40, 45 Minnesota Timberwolves games this year. Like, I watched them and I repeatedly came on the show and said, man, the upside with the wolves is, they can just mall everybody when they get into the playoffs and the refs follow the whistles and it just turns into a bloodbath and everyone just kind of seems powerless under those waves of size and athleticism.

I knew it and I didn't properly factor it in. It was just foolishness on my part and it's a lesson learned, a valuable lesson learned. But I do think there's some reality with the Lakers roster build and their lack of athleticism. And this to me is something to keep in mind with the build moving forward. I think there was a lot of talk coming out of this series, even when things were going poorly and even before the series, about the Lakers just need a center. How Austin Reeves is the perfect kind of co-star to have alongside Luca Donchitz. He kind of fits the mold of the Jalen Brunson, Kyrie Irving idea of having like a shot

creating guard next to Luca. And, you know, LeBron James is this guy that can operate as like a defensive fulcrum and a ball screen folk. slash secondary ball handler, whatever you need. I look at it now and I go, I don't know that you can be athletic enough with Austin Reeves and Luca Donchich as core players. And so I think the Lakers,

when you look at their kind of like their coffers going into this off season, you have, if I'm not mistaken, at least one first round pick, because I think they gave up the other one in the AD trades. You have one first round pick. You've got, I think at least one pick swap. You've got the Dalton Connect piece,

which I think is a young player that some teams would value. And then Austin Reeves is one of the best assets in the league because of his salary and what he makes, right? So I think that the Lakers have to start seriously considering the reality that if they play Austin next to Luca in the big picture, there is an athleticism deficit. And if you're not freaky athletic at the other three spots, it might not be tenable. And so, by the way, that doesn't mean that Austin, I'm a big. believer in Austin. And I absolutely think that Austin can have success in a championship context. I think Austin got humbled a little bit in the series. I think that Austin was revealed to

have two major shortcomings. One, his ability to handle physicality. I think he'll spend a good amount of the summer in the wait room. I think also Austin was exposed as a poor catch and shoot player. And I think he's going to have to spend a lot of time this summer if he, if he's going to stay alongside Luca operating as a catch and shoot player. But beyond that, it's about the matchup, right? So the wolves kick your ass, in large part because they just have all these bodies, right? And so like Aunt Edwards had Austin Reeves in jail in this series. And so Austin has to find a way to be impactful even when he's not able to score the basketball effectively, not turning the basketball over by not struggling against that physicality by adding strength and working on ball handling through

physicality. And then two, becoming a better catch and shoot player so that you can be at least an asset off the ball offensively. There were, guys, there were, in each of these last two games, what at least like eight or nine, clean catch and shoot looks that Austin missed that literally could have changed both games. If Austin shot the ball better from three tonight,

they very easily could have won tonight. If Austin shot the ball better from three in game four, they very easily could have won game four. That is a piece of low-hanging fruit for Austin that he can improve on. He needs to become a better catch-and-shoe player. But regardless, in the big picture, I tend to look at it as though you're putting yourself in a bind building around Luca with Austin being as unathletic as he is. And so there's a version of this where, like, if you put Austin on the Orlando Magic, he'd be incredible there because he would be anchored by big, strong athletes all over the floor.

and his specific trait, his skill set, which revolves around like high level skill on ball offensively, becomes very valuable in the context of that team, right? So like I think what we've noticed here is, because guys, you don't want to overreact to the Timberwolves matchup, but at the same time, you're going to run into a big athletic team if you're going to win the title. It's like, it's a prerequisite.

You're going to have to overcome a team that's probably bigger and more athletic than you, right? And so with that being the case, I think with the Lakers moving forward, they have to at least explore the idea of flipping Austin for a bona fide two-way athletic starter of some kind to anchor alongside Luca. The obvious need for a vertical spacer, I think that, you know, I think Luca, I think Luca had a really bad offensive series. I thought he was exposed as a poorly conditioned athlete.

He consistently faded towards the end of games. He like missed back-to-back games. he had bad misses right at the rim that directly led to run out layups or run out transition threes that hurt the team. He obviously has a lot that he can get better at. But at the same time, there is some clear stuff that you can do to make his life easier. And one of those is get him a legitimate screen and roll threat. Get him somebody that you can sit in the dunker spot and that can create that vertical spacing window. Right. Now, that is not, I saw a lot of talk surrounding that in this series that I don't necessarily agree with. There was a lot of talk about

like play Jackson Hayes. The T&T broadcast was being ridiculous, constantly panning to Jackson Hayes every single time Rudy Gober got an offensive rebound. Does anybody remember what it looked like when Jackson Hayes is on the floor in the series? He's awful. He can't do anything on either end of the floor. That was that was not going to be an answer after what we saw off of the early parts of the series. But going back to the Boston series last year, there will inevitably be a team that can switch that action. And so like the five out spacing look would have been a counter, against Boston in a way that the vertical spacing piece wasn't because of Tatum and Jalen Brown's ability to switch the Donchich Lively and the Donchich Gafford pick and rolls, right? And so like,

yeah, you want to get him a center. But most of this still comes down to in order for Luca to be able to carry a team through four playoff rounds, he has to become a more better conditioned athlete. Luca got blown by or gave up a bucket on five possessions before the first team, before the first TV timeout tonight. In the fourth quarter, it was just give the ball to Ant or Julius against Luca and they were going right around him for the bucket. He's got to find a way to be better than he has been on that end of the floor.

He's got to find a way to be better in the fourth quarters offensively against these bigger athletic teams. And the only way he's going to get there is, if he does the work that Steph Curry and so many other of the lesser athletes in NBA history have done, which has work obsessively on conditioning so that you can hold up as that situation gets more complicated later in these postseason series. We'll talk a lot more about Lakers throughout the mailbag and in the, excuse me, in the playback segment.

But that's my initial impression right now as we go to this summer is they're a little bit further away than I realized. and we're going to be talking a lot about that. It's a very important summer for Rob Polinka in the Lakers. So before we talk Warriors Rockets for a few minutes, I just wanted to remind everybody, we are starting our first ever watch playback after show tonight. So when we are done here on YouTube live,

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So make sure you guys take the time to hit the link in the subscription below this video right when we get done. And I'll see you guys over on playback when we are finished here. All right, let's talk Warriors Rockets. So as wrong as I was about the Lakers series, I've been somewhat on top of this one. I predicted before the series that the Warriors would win in six games and that they would probably get blown out in game five. This is a somewhat typical series flow for the better team playing without home court advantage. I saw a stat today actually that home teams down 3-1 who are favored in game five when they were 30 and 10 in the last 40 games since 2003. So it was kind of cool to see a stat

that kind of matches up with something that I've always kind of felt about this kind of game, which is just a really tough game to win, especially when you're the more athletic team. Like that was the big difference between the Minnesota Lakers game tonight is like, you know, when you have a home team feeding off their home crowd who's the supremely athletic team, they can be overwhelming. Whereas like what we saw with Minnesota L.A. tonight, Minnesota's athleticism travels. And it became something that the Lakers were unable to overcome. But again, that's basically what happens in these series that I see when you have a road team that you pick to win. You steal a game on the road between games one and two. you take home court advantage.

You come home and you win games three and four. You punt game five because it's a really tough game to win. And then you end up closing things out in game six. And Houston came out tonight and just kicked Golden State's ass at every phase of the game. They forced the Warriors into nine turnovers in the first half. I meant Thompson's ball pressure on Steph was amazing. Steph did a poor job of handling it. You got picked clean a bunch of times around half court.

The Brockett shot the ball super well. They got 1.67 points per jump shot in the first half. That's outrageous. They shot super well on contested shot. two. Dylan Brooks and Fred Van Vleet both made like running crazy contested threes right before the half as the Warriors were making their run. Brooks's three banked in. It was ridiculous, right? They ran nine possessions of zone and held the Warriors to just six points on those possessions. Fred Van Vleet kept up his hot shooting from game four. A man Thompson goes for 25 points. He's

really starting to showcase his upside. Dylan Brooks had 24. Everything went right for the Rockets. Now, there was an obvious lack of intensity from the Warriors that, you know, we talked about even leading up into the game, right? So how much of this is translatable for the Rockets to Game 6 back in Golden State? Now, before I talk any further, again, I do not think this will happen. I think the Warriors will take care of business. I think they'll come out and probably win game six relatively comfortably against Houston. I think that when they really engage themselves defensively, they can strangle this Houston offense. And I think that they have the ability to just hit the jets right out the gates, change the tone and tenor of the game,

build a little bit of buffer, and I think they'll be able to stiff arm the Rockets for game six. But the Warriors haven't exactly scored well in this series. They're averaging less than 103 points in their three wins. The reason why they're up 3-1 is they haven't, the rockets haven't been able to score. So the case, if you're going to try to draw a line between what the Rockets have shown over the course of this series and a potential win in game six back in Golden State and a win in game seven. What you would try to focus on is that the Rockets have found some success in the half court offensively with the Shangun Fred Van Fleet two-man game, particularly inverted when

Shangoon's on the ball, but it at least puts the Warriors in a predicament where they have to switch and then Shangun can get some favorable matchups there. Now, in theory, if you defend as well as you defended through the rest of this series and you keep things low scoring enough, and Fred and Alper and Sengoon generate enough offense, they absolutely can win that game, game six, and take it home for a game seven against Golden State. But I don't think they will. I think this was a textbook example of just a really tough closeout game to win on the road against a young super athletic team.

just tip the cap for the rockets to the cap tip a cap tip the cap to the rockets for throwing a great punch but I expect the warriors to show that veteran resolve when they get home on Friday night. We were going to have two games on Friday but now we're going to end up only having one game. So just as a teaser before we head over to playback, Jackson's going to come on and we're going to take one question. After that we will head over to playback. Yes, sir. Indeed. This was a question that's, you know, partially is. It's asked in jest, but the sentiment of it is certainly serious.

And the question is that we got a lot of this, was Nico right? And maybe Nico was not right. But the question about sort of Luca's defensive conditioning that you definitely alluded to, you definitely talked a lot about, how big of a problem is that obviously it was a problem this series? How big of a problem is it sort of long term? So Nico is not right. And I think people are just using that as the obvious talking point regarding Lucas' struggles

in this series. In order for Nico to be right, you have to equate whatever the diminished version of Luca's value that you see. You have to equate that down to one first round pick. And Max Christie, who has the potential to be a good two-way starter in this league but isn't there yet. And Anthony Davis, who is an awesome player, but at this phase in his career, is a lot slower than he used to be. He finally had a couple healthy seasons in a row and then he broke down this year. like for any concerns you have about conditioning. Anthony Davis famously came into Lakers camp out of shape

multiple times in the LeBron James area. It was something that LeBron himself was frustrated with. So like the, the NICO piece is ridiculous because even if you just try to, like I saw Zach Lose in his pod, like, oh, there are corners of the NBA, a smart NBA world that say, oh, you can see getting off of Luca as being smart.

I still think that's stupid. I don't agree. But even if you accept that, The actual nuts and bolts of the trade make no sense. Now, from there, Luca was out of shape when he got hurt. Allegedly, from the reporting, part of what triggered the need or the desire for them to take this action, was Luca shortly before the trade, about a month before the trade, showing up to the facility fat as shit.

So, like, there's a certain amount of, like, this was never going to be the season where Luca would prove everyone wrong. He was out of shape when he came back. He played his way into shape. He never really looked at any point into peak shape. He just looked at some points like Luca Donchitz that we've known over the course of the last couple of years at times. And so I think for Nico to be right,

it would need to be we're here again next year and Luca looks fat out of shape, banged up, and can't play any defense. If we're here again at that point, then it's a totally different conversation. but even within that context, the trade doesn't make any sense. But Nico's lack of belief in Luca, I think would have to be predicated on multiple additional years

of him not living up to his potential. Yeah, this is the first time we've ever seen Luca have a subpar for his standards playoff run. Ever. Yeah. He's been, they've lost, you know, they haven't won the championship before, but he's been outstanding in every other playoffs until this year.

Not every superstar is great in every single playoff run. It doesn't necessarily mean it's the most recent one. So, you know, fair to take a close look at it. But it doesn't necessarily mean this is going to be the consistent thing that happens for Luca throughout the rest of his career. No, I totally agree. It's, it's, I'm curious to see. I'm curious to see what Luca does this summer.

I'm curious to see if LeBron takes a pay cut. I'm curious to see what kind of moves they look to make. I want to see what the roster looks like when we get to August or to October, excuse me. It's, it's going to be interesting. I will freely admit as having rooted for Luca that I was very disappointed in him in this series. but at the same time, I also know that if there was some sort of, you know, what do you want to call it, like a transformation of character or like some sort of leap that he takes as a competitor,

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