The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hoops Tonight - How Haliburton & Pacers can UPSET Thunder in Game 7 of NBA Finals | Hoops Tonight

Episode Date: June 21, 2025

Jason reacts to Game 6 of the NBA Finals in which the Indiana Pacers defeated the Oklahoma City Thunder in a blowout to force a Game 7. Jason applauds the Pacers defense for stepping up and making adjustments to force Thunder stars Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Jalen Williams into bad decision making. He also applauds Pacers star Tyrese Haliburton for fighting through injury. Then Jason lays out the game plan for the Pacers to pull off an upset against the stingy Thunder defense on the road in Game 7 and believes it involves Haliburton and Pascal Siakam's continued effort on the defensive end against SGA and the Thunder.   #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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how Oklahoma City can hit a point in terms of leveraging their athleticism that makes me feel like Indiana might not be able to win in Oklahoma City if they needed to get a game there. And So at that point in the series, after game two, I had talked about how I thought Indiana needed to win all three of their home games if they were going to win the finals. But alas, that's not what happened. They lost game four, obviously with what happened down the stretch in that game. And so now Indiana needs to win another game in Oklahoma City.

And so now they're staring down the barrel of a game seven on the road. And so I want to look into some of the stuff that I noticed on film from last night's game and to see if any of that translates forward to a game seven. We're going to talk about one specific adjustment that Indiana made in the game. They didn't really change really their coverages, but they changed their pickup points. So we're going to dive into that concept a little bit, just like what it does to these coverages,

what it took away, what it did change, what it didn't change, what has Oklahoma City seen this before? As Oklahoma City had success against this before, I really want to dive into that topic. And then just some of the key swing factors as we had into a game seven on Sunday. You guys know the Joe before we get started, subscribe to the Hoops Tonight YouTube channels. You don't miss any more of our videos. Follow me on Twitter at underscore JCPLT, so you guys don't miss show announcements. Don't forget about our podcast for you, wherever you get

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So for instance, last year we had lots of talk about point of attack defense, right? Because there's so much of a narrative surrounding Luca and the Dallas Mavericks. And like his point of attack defense was a story from the Clipper series all the way through to the finals, right? We also had a similar dynamic with the wolves and what they were able to do to the sons and nuggets on both ends of the floor, really strangling and containing the ball on one end and then having the ability to penetrate the defense easily on the other end of the floor.

In 2021 and 2022, we talked a ton about drop coverage, right? Because that was one of the most common coverages we saw in the league at that point in time. And there were teams that were starting to have success against it, right? And in 2021, we talked about Trey Young and the damage he did to the Sixers in the Eastern Conference semifinals, right? In 2022, Steph Curry against Boston's drop coverage and the dynamic at play.

You may you doca talking about how he wanted to run drop coverage to try to prevent the warriors from getting into their easy four on threes where the balls popping around. They wanted to force Steph to take contested pull-up threes. And guess what? He took them and he made them, right? But that was kind of the hot button issue in that couple of seasons. And this year, it's the pickup.

point. And once again, it's tied to the teams that are playing. And again, all the pickup point means, and all these are just fancy words that mean basic things. Point of attack defense is literally just one-on-one defense, right? It's just containing the ball at the beginning of possessions, right? The idea of a pickup point is just where are you guarding the ball? Are you guarding the ball like right when it's inbounded? Are you guarding the ball at half court? Are you guarding the ball at the three point line, where are you deciding to offer resistance to the guy holding the basketball? And the reason why it's been such a hot button issue in this postseason run is the thunder and Pacers are two really good ball pressure teams, right? And the Thunder in particular

have faced two very different pickup points throughout this postseason run, like stuff like the Nugget series where teams are sagging back and trying to, or where the Nuggets are sagging back and trying to contain the ball in front. And to the Wolf series, and for much of this Pacers series, where there's a lot of full court pressure and it's a very, very different dynamic for the ball handler, right? Well, we did get a slight adjustment from the Indiana Pacers last night.

Right out the gates, they changed their pickup point for both Shea and J-Dub, basically right at half-court. Like you could see Nemhard for Shea or Neesmith for J-dub, literally waiting like toes just beyond the half-court, just behind the half-court line, just waiting for the guy to come at them. And that kind of moved back and forth. There were portions of the game where they were still up at half-court.

there are portions of the game where they were a little further back, like in that like just outside the above the brake line, like 25, 30 feet from the basket. But it was a change from the earlier portions of the series where they were picking up full court and trying to deny the basketball more on inbounds and things along those lines. Now, it's important to mention.

This did not change the coverages that Indiana was using against action. So in ball screens, they were still chasing over the top with ball pressure. they were still meeting the ball handler up at the level with their bigs. They were still hedging and recovering hard with Tyrese Halliburton. And they were using Tyrese Halliburton to rotate and chat when he would pop out of ball screens. Many of the same dynamics that we've seen throughout this series, right?

And all of that is still the same for Oklahoma City's ball handlers in terms of making reeds out of that action. We're going to talk about that a little bit later in the show today. But in terms of process for Oklahoma City, it's still more or less the same. The main thing that that did accomplish for Indiana is it neutralized one of the specific actions that Oklahoma City is torched Indiana with all series. And that's the extended ball screens. When they were attacking Indiana's ball pressure, they were bringing Hart and Stein and shed out to screen

sometimes past half court, sometimes just inside a half court, but all of these ball screens were really far extended. And so Carlisle had Turner and Thomas Bryan and it. going all the way up to the level, Tony Bradley coming all the way out to the level 50, 60 feet from the basket sometimes. And Shea or J-Dove was able to pretty easily get around that guy. And they give up a lot of layups and fouls and things along those lines

because of that extended ball screen coverage. Now, in this coverage where you're sitting further back on the ball, there were no examples of Turner or Bradley needing to come out that far. now they're never having to come out further than 25, 30 feet from the basket. That's just a little bit more achievable for them. Now, again, it's still the same dynamic. There were still plays in this game where Shea was able to beat Turner at the level and get into the teeth of the defense and generate advantages.

But Turner did log some of his best at the level reps of this series because there were some relatively normal looking ball screens. I talked about this after game five, but if you guys remember, I don't have a problem with the at the level coverage. I have a problem with running the bigs up to the level when it's at half court. At the level, at the three point line is a lot more achievable in terms of preventing Shea from getting ahead of steam when he's coming over the top of the ball screen. Out at half court, because he's beating ball pressure, there's just such a runway for him to get

going and it's just really difficult. But if you're not picking up Shea until, you know, 30 to 25 feet, from the basket and here comes the ball screen and he's chasing over the top. Shea doesn't have a running start and so it just gives Turner a little bit better chance of staying in front and he did have some of his best at the level reps of this series. But to me, the biggest impact by far was just the change. This is not some foreign coverage that Oklahoma City's ball handlers haven't seen before. This is more or less what Denver did and it's something we've seen a little bit in the Minnesota series towards the end and now a little bit at the end of the finals. But for the most part,

this series and in the Minnesota series, they haven't seen this coverage. So it's just a little bit different. And it served as a catalyst for triggering some of the variants that they needed to pull off this game six win. But as we've talked about extensively on the show, the Thunder have solved these puzzles in this postseason every time they've absolutely needed to. So for instance, I talked about how in the aggregate before, before last night, that Denver actually logged the best defensive rating of any team versus Oklahoma City. It has a lot to do with the coverage. We'll talk about that in a minute. But in game five and in game seven, the two final games that Oklahoma City absolutely needed to win with the nuggets running a similar lower pickup point, the thunderlogged

two games in game five and in game seven of half court offensive ratings over 105, which is really good. they've gone over 105 in the half court just once in this series, even with the extended ball pressure. So even though in the aggregate, Denver did a good job guarding Oklahoma City in the two biggest games of the series, Pivotal game, series tied to two game five, series tied to three game seven. They were able to score against Denver's scheme at a very efficient level in the half court. that as I mentioned before the actual coverages in action are still more or less the same it's still similar reads as a similar decision-making process

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So I'm sure that'll be a particular sticking point from our Dagnall in the film room. We got to run action against this defensive look. You could literally see it. Like the Pacers guys would be sitting back and kind of like a passive look. But then here would come the ball screen. And when the ball screen would come, Ben Shepard or Andrew Nemhart, whoever it was, would all of a sudden jump up, pressure the ball and fight over the top of the screen, which is more or less the same dynamic that they've been seeing throughout the series.

And so all of a sudden, the same openings are there, right? Like if Turner's at the level, She can still try to beat him with his speed and get into the teeth of the defense. Chet is still wide open when he's popping out of those ball screens. They're defending at three on two by having Tyrese Halliburton rotate off of Dord to Chet popping above the break. That's a three on two,

meaning you can get the defense in rotation if you make simple reads and make good decisions out of it. The openings are still there. Even on the ISOs, when Shea's driving, they're still helping hard in that kick to the opposite wing is still open every single time. When Shea is posting up on the block, he's still drawing a double team from the guy who's making the post entry.

They're doubling from the top side. Shea had examples last night where he passed out of it well and they got decent looks. He had other possessions last night where he turned the ball over against that double team. So like the openings are still there. It's still a similar decision making process to what Oklahoma City has seen throughout this postseason. but that shift, that abrupt change after doing something different for most of the series served to shake Oklahoma City's foundation enough for Indiana to get a big win.

Now, for the record, from the Pacer's perspective, I do think this is the appropriate game plan. As I said, before last night, Denver did actually have the best defensive rating against Oklahoma City of any playoff team. This is despite Denver being a piss poor defense for most of the year. contain the ball, force Oklahoma City to process with their brains, and to make the kickouts and for guys to knock down semi-contested catch-and-shoot threes. But again, as I said last night,

there is no magic adjustment at this point in the playoff series. It's all about execution. I have seen Indiana beat Oklahoma City twice in this series with full court ball pressure. And I've seen Oklahoma City beat Denver and Minnesota in multiple important late series games against a passive contain the ball approach. None of the game plan stuff matters if it's not executed properly. So that containment of the ball issue will be the primary swing factor in game seven for both teams.

Focusing it on Indiana, they need to keep Shea and J. Dub in front. Now again, in their more aggressive looks, they did it with hard help on the backline, forcing Shea to make kickouts. in this more contained the ball approach, it's more about like kind of digging down and like stunting and recovering in the off ball guys and for the on ball guy anticipating movement and beating the player to the spot and absorbing contact with his chest, right?

It looks a little different in this coverage, but it's still the same kind of idea. If they can keep the ball in front, they can make Shane and J. Dub make kickouts and they can force role players to make shots. I do think that approach gives Indiana their best chance. But on the other side of the floor, there's a similar containment issue in the sense that if Oklahoma City prevents Indiana from getting

out in transition keeps the ball in front, forces them to do all that weird triple handoff interchange stuff at the top of the key where no one's actually turning the corner. They will force turnovers. They will get out in transition. And then Oklahoma City doesn't have to solve your coverage because they're living in transition where they can do a ton of damage. I think this coverage gives Indy their best chance, but it's still about execution. and ultimately they'll need to pass that test.

The final test that no team has been able to pass in this postseason run, which is when Oklahoma City's back is against the wall, and all of it's on the line, and all the pressure is there. Oklahoma City tightens the screws with their defense, and Indiana is going to have to not turn the ball over. And Indiana is going to have to get the ball into their flow and try to generate quality shots.

That's going to be the big swing in game seven. Now, a couple of other takeaways from the film session this morning before we get out of here. I thought Tyrese was incredible all night in his help and recover situations. You know, we're going to talk a little bit about release of speed when we get to Chet Holmgren, but Lou Dort has a similar issue where, like, his release is a little bit loaded up, and it takes a second for him to get it off. And now he makes up for that by kind of leaning back and shooting a moonball, so it kind of makes up for some of that lack of release speed.

But Tyrese Halliburton is so fast that he in his ability to kind of a shade off of Dort and towards the ball, whether it's like double teaming in action, like he would throw double teams at Shay postups or he'd come in the lane and put his body in front in a drive or he'd rotate to the popping big or whatever it is. He's able to get out to Dort relatively quickly and get a good contest. And so Tyrese has found a defensive role in this series that has been very impactful, which is his ability to get off of Dort and to get back to Dort and basically function as a disruptor off the ball. Chad Holmgren needs to quick in his release. He got nearly blocked by Tony Bradley on one three and then did get blocked by Miles Turner on another three.

And on both plays, he looked open. And what's happening is he's really got this slow load up and he already shoots the ball pretty much right in front of his face. And he shoots it without a ton of arc. And so it's an easy shot to contest under any circumstances. not a problem. Steph shoots the ball from down in front of his face, but Steph has the quickest release in the sport. And so the idea there is, Chet, when we get into the summertime, needs to have a little bit more of a focus in terms of streamlining his release. He's got to get that thing off quickly because even if he is knocking down threes, it's not going to be

effective if teams are able to get good closeouts on him because his release is too slow. Pascal C. Occam's individual defense on Shea. He got Shea a bunch. in transition cross matches and then in switches where he was applying like kind of a soft switch approach, meaning you'd meet Shea on the other side of the screen and kind of sit further back, which I think is smart because again, like as we talked about early in the series, Topin and Seacom have both given up splits when they've been really aggressive in their switches when they come out too far to the perimeter. But I thought last night, Seacom was excellent on Shea sliding his feet, keeping his hands out and not fouling

and getting great contests on She's over the top shot making. And then, Lastly, I thought the double teams of Shay's back shoulder, especially when he's driving against an engaged defender. So like, again, we talked about this last night, but like, if a guy cleanly beats his man off the dribble and he's just screaming downhill, he's unguarded and he's surveying the floor and he's going to be able to make decisions relatively easily. But if you stay relatively attached, me, she's driving, but you're on his hip and get your arms out, he's engaged with the defender. It's a little bit harder for him to see what's happening around him. and Indiana had a lot of success last night, doubling the ball behind him when he would get on those drives. And so on the one hand, for Shea,

he's got to anticipate that sort of thing and take advantage of those kickouts. Again, the kickouts to the opposite wing on his drive is open every single time. And then on the Pacers front, it's something to explore in Game 7 as another opportunity to try to force turnovers and get out in transition. So, yeah, that's my takeaway after rewatching the game. I think the pickup point change is certainly Indiana's best change. but it doesn't really change too much about the dynamic in game seven.

It's still going to be the same concepts on both ends of the floor that are going to dictate win or loss for these two teams. The final test, the final boss in the video game for Indiana is Oklahoma City's defense under desperation. And we're going to find out really quickly on Sunday whether or not they're up to that challenge. All right, guys, that's all I have for today. As always, I sincerely appreciate you guys for supporting me and supporting the show. We'll be back on Sunday after the final buzzer.

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