The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hoops Tonight - Jimmy Butler & Heat blast Celtics in Game 7, advance to NBA Finals

Episode Date: May 30, 2023

Jason Timpf reacts to Jimmy Butler and the Miami Heat's 103-84 Game 7 win over Jayson Tatum and the Boston Celtics to advance to the NBA Finals for a matchup with Nikola Jokic and the Denver Nuggets. Jason breaks down the biggest highlights from Miami's victory, what went wrong for Boston, and how the Celtics can move forward. #volume #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Well, the unbroken never before happened, come back from 3-0 series that we were all kind of expecting to a certain extent tonight did not come to fruition as the Miami Heat punk the Boston Celtics on their home floor to advance to the NBA finals. Got a bunch of stuff I want to dive into. I want to dive into the confidence dynamic that I think led to Miami's big night tonight, which I think is super interesting and is in form. as we look forward into future seasons. I want to talk about the job that Eric Spolster did to throw Boston off schematically. I want to look a little bit forward to the finals. We're not going to do too deep of a dive because I will be doing a full finals preview tomorrow morning.

And then at the end, we're going to talk a little bit about the Boston Celtics and what went wrong for them. And if you're a Celtics fan, I have a much less gloom and doom type of approach to this situation. I actually am pretty optimistic about their future. So we'll talk a little bit about them as well. You guys know the drill before we get started. Subscribe to the volumes YouTube channel so you don't miss any more of our videos. Follow me on Twitter at underscore Jason LT.

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to the reputation of the coach involved, and all of the negative Celtics sentiment was already there after game three when you go down three-o, right? So it's like, you know, Marcus Martin, Jalen Brown, like, don't let us win one. Okay, you got one. Okay, then you want a home game. And then even then in game six, it's still kind of a number. nothing to lose type of situation. The spread is closer, right? Like I think, I think at the tip off Boston was only like a two and a half point favorite or a three point favorite. You end up

barely winning that game. But in game seven, suddenly that dynamic shifts. Suddenly, you are the favorite. You're a eight point favorite. After game five, Miami was still favored to win the series at that point. It's a totally different dynamic going into this game seven. And you guys all probably notice. And there's going to be a lot of focus on the ankle injury for Jason Tatum, and I don't want to underplay it because it certainly had an impact on what happened to Boston tonight. But I think that even if Jason Tatum had not sprained his ankle, a relatively similar outcome would have taken place. Because regardless of what was going on with Jason Tatum, from the opening tip of this game, you could see a giant gap in how comfortable Miami felt

under the weight of the moment compared to the way that Boston felt. And I think that that trickles down the roster. When Jimmy is playing as confidently as he was, even after a couple of bad games, he was carrying himself so confidently that everyone else on the roster seemed to feel that way. Kyle Lowry, rising confidently into jump shots. You know, Caleb Martin, rising confidently into jump shots. There are, you know, even like difficult shots, like rescue possessions.

there's a wild play at the beginning of the second half, I think, where Max Truist on the left wing just takes and makes a smothered three, like 27 feet from the basket. But when he's rising into that shot, he's rising into it like, hey, we got nothing to lose, man. Like, they felt comfortable and confident in that setting. And I think it's informative from the standpoint of youth in basketball teams. And we're going to talk a lot about Boston and how we look forward.

and there's going to be a ton of conversation surrounding the Celtics in the coming days and like, should we blow it up? And should Jalen Brown get shipped off? And should we do this? And should we do that? And to me, it's like maybe the star that's in his 30s that is the fully formed version of himself that has discovered how to impact winning on both ends of the floor over the course of a decade is just better at this kind of thing than the other two stars who are, what, a 25th? four-year-old and a 26-year-old who have been in a lot of big games but have glaring weaknesses. Like Jalen Brown for as good as he is, like he is, and I think a lot of people talk about him,

like he can't dribble at all whatsoever. I think that's overstated a little bit. He just really struggles with protecting the basketball. And then as he lost his confidence, he started to mess up even basic dribble moves, like fumbled away just a basic crossover dribble in the fourth quarter of that game. But, you know, he just really struggles to protect the basketball. and that puts you in an issue against the team like Miami that is extremely good at forcing turnovers.

And I thought that was one of the many really smart game plan approaches from Eric Spolster in this series was Jimmy Butler is your best defender. You could put him on Jason Tatum. You could put him on Jalen Brown. He put him on Jalen Brown with the sole purpose of shattering his confidence. And Jimmy Butler was consistently attacking the basketball. Every single time Jailen Brown tried to put the ball, on the floor to go around him. Jimmy's swiping at it from behind and knocking it away.

And maybe Jimmy could do a better job on Jason Tatum, but he's able to completely and utterly shatter the confidence and ego of Jalen Brown and turn him into a shell of himself, which was kind of a better use of resources than just making things tougher on Jason Tatum, who's going to have a lot of success regardless, right? That goes all the way down the roster. Caleb Martin was unbelievable throughout this entire series. You see the difference between Eric Spolstra and identifying where Caleb Martin has success and kind of plugging him into those situations and giving him a defensive assignment that he can handle, spent a lot of time in this series on Jason Tatum, kind of pressuring the basketball and getting

up underneath him on offense. Everything's on the move. A lot of closeout attacking situations, a lot of stuff off of dribble handoffs, a lot of stuff in transition, whereas athleticism can come to the surface. And he was operating comfortably throughout, and he played up, to the absolute peak of his ability while Jalen Brown played to the absolute basement of his ability. That's the advantage of coaching and game plan and experience in a series. You know, there's going to be a version of Jalen Brown when he's Jimmy Butler's age where he's the guy

that's super comfortable in every big game and has polished up all of his significant weaknesses and understands exactly how to attack in these types of settings. There are going to be young guys who win in the NBA. Janice won a championship at what, 26 years old, right? And like we saw Stefan LeBron do it at 27 years old. But there's just not a lot of examples of dudes that just thrive in huge basketball environments at 24 years old. And, you know, we're going to talk a little bit about,

I want to wait to talk about how Jason Tatum can get better in these particular settings later on. But as we talk about Miami, I do think that that's something to pay attention to here. experience won this series. Jimmy Butler and him being the fully formed version of himself, who knew how to consistently get to places where he felt comfortable, and Eric Spolstra, being in so many of these situations over the years that he knew all the right buttons to push, that was what ended up swinging this series.

And like I said, with all the talk about Boston's talent, and you guys know I'm the biggest proponent of Boston's talent, I think they've had the most talented roster in the league over the last two years. But as we said during that Golden State Warriors series, that's only one part of what makes a great basketball team. What makes a great basketball team is so many things that go beyond talent. Boston leaves a lot to be desired in those areas. So as we're looking forward and projecting in the future as we're talking about teams, I think experience going with the guys that are closer to the absolute fully formed version of themselves,

those are safer bets in these environments. And I don't think it's a coincidence that Jimmy was the best player in the Eastern Conference this year because he's just he's just the fully formed version of himself. And he ran into a Janus that has not figured out yet how to consistently score over the top of defenses. He ran into a Julius Randall that completely crumbled into that circumstance. Jaylon Brunson availed himself valiantly, I want to say. And in that Boston series, you know, Jason Tatum never really grabbed control of the offense to the ability that you would hope a player of his caliber can do, and Jalen Brown was a complete shell of himself.

And so it's just, it's informative looking forward. I wanted to shout out Eric Spolstra because, obviously, with all of these series, as I've been talking about them, I keep saying at the beginning, like, I have too much respect for Eric Spolstra to not think that Miami has a chance to win these series. And I did think that two particular things, we talked about it earlier, but putting Jimmy Butler on Jalen Brown and just utterly demolishing his confidence in all of their man-to-man situations, I think that played a big role. And then also the zone defense. And the zone defense didn't just give issues to Jalen Brown,

but it disrupted the entire team, the entire Boston Celtics team. You know, I talked about this a lot, but Boston, to me, has a lot of guys that can shoot, but they don't have any real knockdown shooters. They don't have a guy that's like, oh, my God, you cannot leave this dude open type of shooter. And the reason why that's important is, like, all of those guys that are basically league average to slightly above average shooters, all of those guys, they're going to be. to succumb more to that team-wide rhythm type of stuff, right? When the entire team feels like they can't make a three, kind of like what we saw, especially in that first half, you're going to

see, you're going to see those types of shooters kind of fall into that mess. Whereas like truly elite shooters, when they're missing, they know the makes are coming. And they know that they're going to keep confidently shooting because they know their results are eventually going to come. And what was great about what Spolstra was doing with that zone is it was really limiting Boston's ability to get dribble penetration. And so they were taking a lot of early clock contested threes or like just swinging the ball around the perimeter and taking a late clock three or turning it over as Miami Heat players are in the passing lanes. And they're never going to break through when they're not getting higher quality shots because those are not elite shooters. And so they need to get really good catch and shoot looks. to bust out of their slump.

And so I thought that was really smart. And Spolstra's 2-3 zone is very different than a lot of the zones you see around the league. It's very aggressive on the front. So the guards on the front part of the zone are picking up almost out at half court. The wings are coming out of the corners and trapping in a lot of cases and helping on ball screens and stuff. And Bam is super active. And Boston just never did a good enough job of getting the ball into the teeth of the zone, getting the ball to the high post where they could have a player there that can make reads.

Part of that is they just didn't have a player that felt really comfortable operating down there. And then they never felt confident enough in their three-point shooting and got in enough of a role there to make that work. And it's a lesson for Boston in general, too. If you're going to be a super high-volume three-point shooting team, you better have some real makers on the team. Like, can't leave them open type of guys. If you're a team that has a bunch of average to slightly above-average shooters, you need to be a team that only takes threes when they're, you know, wide open driving kick type of threes or wide open threes in pick and roll situations

where the guy dies on the screen, right? So definitely thought Eric Spolstra pressed all the right buttons over the course of this series. I said at the beginning that their best chance to win was Eric Spolstra coaching or using a schematic approach that would force Boston into their ugliest offensive tendencies for longer stretches than usual. That was their best chance. And hell, you just got a four-quarter masterpiece of ball pressure, zone defense, forcing turnovers, making Boston feel uncomfortable,

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Looking forward to the finals. And again, I'm just going to be, you know, I'm a big believer in just being 100% authentic on this show. I hate that Boston Celtics team. I talk to you guys a lot about that in game six. They're arrogant. they play a brand of basketball that I don't particularly like. There's a lot of reasons why I don't like that team. In a vacuum, I would have been rooting for Miami.

But I was rooting for Boston to win this series strictly because I do not think Miami is capable of beating Denver. Now, Miami fans, you should be thrilled about that because I picked against them in all three series and they still won. So for you guys, if the reverse jinx is real, then you're going to be in good shape. But Denver is different than the other teams that they faced in that Eastern Conference. They present all of the same physical advantages that Boston presented in terms of interior size and perimeter size. But they do not have the weaknesses that Boston has. This is a much better offensive team that consistently gets quality shots rather than going through extended stretches of not doing so. This is a team that does not rely strictly on dribble penetration or just knocking down

a bunch of catch and shoot threes. No, this is a team that has a behemoth of an offensive engine in Nicola Yokic that will consistently generate high quality paint looks that are not, you know, driving right at a rim protector, but are rather little pop shots and floaters in the lane that Yokic makes it 70%. Jamal Murray has the ability to operate out of the midrange at a much higher level than any of the players on that Boston Celtics roster. This is a team that is going to generate wide open catch and shoot threes as a part of

their offense rather than Boston dribbling the ball up the floor and just jacking up a stupid ass shot. Like, this team is much more talented than anybody they faced in the Eastern Conference without any of the potential things that Spolstra and Jimmy can psychologically or schematically disrupt. Denver is a minus 360 favorite to win the series. They are an eight and a half point favorite to win game one. I haven't done my series preview yet, but I think I'm going to pick Denver in five for

whatever that's worth since I've been wrong in every single Miami series. but I was definitely rooting for Boston, even though I hate those guys, simply because of the fact that they would have presented a more, you know, like a talent dynamic with Denver that would have made it a more interesting series. This Denver team is really, really good. I don't think people even realize how big they are with Nicola Yochich on the front line, but with Aaron Gordon being one of the bigger, stronger, most athletic wings in the league. And Michael Porter Jr., even with the injury history that he has,

he's just tall and he has long arms and he's done a really good job in this playoff run of helping the nuggets in contested rebound situations and help defense with his length. He did a really nice job chasing over the top and applying back pressure on the Laker guards and getting blocked shots and things like that. They're huge on the front line. And then KCP is one of the best role player two guards in the league. And Jamal Murray has been playing at a bona fide superstar level for this entire postseason run. So like this is an entirely different challenge.

And again, for you heat fans, like I really like this Miami Heat team. I kind of like my core basketball personality is drawn to them and roots for them. But I just, I'm worried that this NBA final series could get really ugly because this is just a whole other level than what Miami is dealt with in the Eastern Conference. We're going to do a deep dive into the NBA finals as a preview tomorrow. So keep an eye on the feeds. It should be up around noon Pacific standard time. keep an eye on the feeds. Boston. So there were two things in my opinion that completely undid them in this series. First of all, the defense event. And we talked a lot about this over the course of

this series because they did have some flashes of really high-level defense in game four and five and six. But, you know, the biggest fundamental difference between this Celtics team and last year's Celtics team is Last year's Celtics team, I left every game thinking, oh my gosh, that's one of the best defensive teams I've ever seen. I literally said on my show last year that I think is the best defense in modern NBA history, especially in the half court. It was their transition defense that did them in last year. This year, they went from being a truly elite, generationally great defense to a pretty good defense. and when their offense is susceptible to the stretches of dysfunction that they are susceptible to, they don't have the margin for error to be a pretty good defensive team.

They needed to be a great defensive team. Like Caleb Martin, as great as he was in this series, like, I'm watching that second half and I'm like, okay, he just pump faked at Grant Williams, and Grant Williams left his feet, and so he just sidestepped into a wide open three. Okay, he's dribbling along the baseline. Tatum's got him. Okay, Tatum calls for a switch. Marcus Smart is standing up out of a defensive stance and just lets Caleb Martin walk into a, you know, pull up 10 footer on the baseline right at the third quarter buzzer.

That's, that's wide open look for an in-rhythm shooter. Okay, now we're in the fourth quarter. Here's a transition possession. Caleb Martin's dribbling. He has the ball in his hands. He's got the ball in his hands on the right wing. No Celtic is guarding him. And he just walks into a wide open three at the top of the key.

Like, yeah, there's a reality to the fact that Miami shot really well, and they got some timely contributions from players that aren't the same type of blue-chip prospects that Boston has. But guess what? You also allowed them to get comfortable with a defensive identity that you had all season long, which was a clear level below, which you were last year. And it's the latest example of listen to what the regular season teaches us as it pertains to the trends over the course of the regular season. obviously the regular season has a lot of fools gold in it, but what I always say is watch defensive ratings.

Why do we watch defensive ratings? We watch defensive ratings because they are the best indicator of the night and night out commitment to the defensive end of the floor. Like I said, it's not a big shock that the Lakers, as good as they were defensively after the deadline, that they were also good defensively during the playoff run. It's not a big shock that Boston, even though they were still one of the top 10 defenses in the league, I think they finished what, fourth or fifth or something like that?

I can't remember exactly. but they were still top 10 defense, but if you look at the defensive rating, it was eight points worse than it was last year. So is that not a significant indicator of the fact that they aren't as dialed in defensively as they were the previous year? So guess what? When the chips were down in a big game seven, they were sloppy on their switches, they were sloppy in transition defense, they were sloppy locating shooters.

Even in game six when things were falling apart, they were sloppy handling those ghost screens with Duncan Robinson and Jimmy Butler. They were losing shooters all over the floor just in basic swing pass situations because guys aren't paying attention. They were not the same defensive team. And that's why they weren't able to get to the same level as an NBA finals team that was two wins away from the title as they did last year.

Secondly, the lack of a spammable action. So I talked about this a lot over the course of this series because it was part of how Boston got back into the series was Jason Tatum started to have some success with cleared side ISOs and attacking a little bit more from the mid-range. But even then it wasn't to the extent that it needs to be. What does Jimmy Butler do at this phase of his career in his early 30s? I think he's actually in his mid-30s now.

But, you know, what does Jimmy Butler do? He's attacking with a live dribble until he gets the switch that he wants. And then Miami sends all their dudes over to the other end of the floor. And he just works out of a live dribble ISO on the cleared right side of the floor. That's what they do. And Miami, in a big situation, will just spam that action. They'll just run it every time down the floor. and they know that they're going to get a pretty high quality shot in every single one of those

situations or at least a shot that Jimmy Butler is capable of making, right? With Boston, you know, you'd have a three, four possession sequence like they did in that first half in game six where Tatum's working, but then they get into the fourth quarter and then they just cease to do that. For whatever reason, you know, Jason Tatum doesn't feel comfortable doing the same thing over and over and over again from a specific spot on the floor. And, you know, as we look forward with Boston, there's going to be a lot of talk about, oh, we need to get them a better guard.

It's like, well, you got Malcolm Brogden last year, and yeah, obviously you got hurt in this series, but it didn't seem to solve that specific problem with their execution. You know, Derek White's another good guard. I mean, you don't have the resources to get a superstar point guard, right? So, like, at a certain point, the ceiling of the Celtics is directly tied to Jason Tatum's development. You know, at this point, he's 100% a live dribble guy. He's a live dribble, above the break, pick and roll, ISO, try to create a pull-up jump shot or get all the way to the rim for a layup.

That's all he can do. And he's capable of going down to the post and making some plays there, but he needs to get to the point where he can, like, comfortably sit down on the left block against a smaller defender and go seven, eight possessions in a row, just either drummed, on that second defender to get the defense into rotation or getting closer to the rim for a higher quality shot. That's the next step for him. Offensive versatility. He's turned himself into a very efficient offensive engine from the standpoint of spamming that high pick and roll stuff, but that is inherently one of the lower value plays in the NBA playoffs. Why? Long jump shots off the dribble. And I don't

mean the short ones like Jimmy Butler's taking in the post. I mean long jump shots off the dribble in the NBA playoffs, those 24, 26 footers, those are extremely difficult to make when you are fatigued and you don't have the lift in your legs to get up into that shot. And when everything you're doing off the dribble is a, or everything you're doing attacking to the basket is a live dribble from 26 feet. There's so much time for help defense to come over. There's a repeated rotation that the defense can make to kind of, to solve any compromising that takes place. It's too easy to guard. And that's why a, uh, a, uh, a, uh, Unless you're just the otherworldly best shooter, playmaker, ball handler in the league, like Steph Curry,

you can't spam high pick and roll the way that Jason Tatum does. In these settings, especially in these rock fight games, these bigger, stronger forwards, the ones that are really good, the Kauai's, the Jimmy Butler's, the LeBron's, what do they do? They get a matchup they like and they take them close to the basket with their back to the basket so they can protect the basketball and they go to short 10 to 12 foot shots in the lane. or in the short corner that they can make it an extremely high percentage. That's what LeBron did this entire playoff run. It's what Jimmy Butler did this entire playoff run.

That's what the best big wings in the league do. And that's what Jason Tatum has to add over the course of the next few seasons. He needs to add a reliable back-to-the-basket bully ball game because he's damn strong and he's damn big and he's an underrated playmaker and he's got great touch. And if he polishes that stuff up, he's going to start thriving in these types of. of games. Like, as we look forward for Boston, that's their only hope. You know, with Jalen Brown, and look, they're in a tough position because with the way the CBA is structured, he's going to make

way too much money, you know, but at the end of the day, like, yes, Jalen Brown completely crumbled in this series, completely lost confidence, his ball handling is a real problem. All of that is true, but he's a lot better than he looked. He was a hell of a lot better just last year in the playoff run when they were two wins away from the title. Jelan Brown is still a top 15, 20 player in this league, which means he deserves a max contract. And you certainly have no method to replace him with comparable players in the trade market. You're going to get 75 cents on the dollar if you do so. So as unfortunate as it is, you have to resign him.

That's the best path forward for Boston is pay everybody, go forward, and hope that Jason Tatum over the coming years develops into that offensive engine that can thrive in these late playoff situations. It didn't really come back to bite them until the Golden State Warriors series last year, bit them a little bit earlier this year, but that's the big problem. Not ancillary ball handling, not aggregate ball handling, the top end ball handling. They need Jason Tatum to take that next step. We will talk a hell of a lot more about Boston over the course of this off season. Like I said, we're going to talk a lot about the NBA finals

over the course of the next few days. I'm going to be going our season preview tomorrow in the morning. Tomorrow afternoon, I'm doing an episode with Liv, our resident Nuggets fan here at the volume, did a bunch of work with her last year. So you guys who have been following the show probably remember her. And then on Wednesday, we're going to go with the nerdsesh guys and do another deep dive into the finals.

So we're going to have a ton of stuff covering the NBA finals over the course of the next two days. And then, like usual, we'll be going live after games. game one on Thursday. As always, I sincerely appreciate you guys supporting the show, and I will see you tomorrow morning. The volume. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite.

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Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, what's good, y'all? You're listening to Learn the Hard Way with your favorite therapist and host, Kear Games. This space is about black men's experiences, having honest conversations that it's really not safe to have anywhere, but you're having them with a licensed professional who knows what he's doing. How many men carry a suit or armor? It signals to the world that you not to be played with. And just because you have the capability that does not mean that you need to.

Listen and learn the hard way on the IHard radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. This is an IHart podcast. Guaranteed human.