The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hoops Tonight - LIVE: Lakers Even Series vs. Timberwolves + Pacers Go Up 2-0 On Bucks

Episode Date: April 23, 2025

Jason reacts live after the Los Angeles Lakers evened the series against the Minnesota Timberwolves with a win in Game 2. Luka Doncic had another great game, LeBron James & Austin Reaves bounced back, and they tied the series against Anthony Edwards. Then he discusses Tyrese Halliburton and the Indiana Pacers going up 2-0 with a win over Giannis Antetokounmpo, Damian Lillard, and the Milwaukee Bucks. Finally he discusses Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and the Oklahoma City Thunder continuing to dominate Ja Morant and the Memphis Grizzlies. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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had to pick one of the two early slate games. And I think, I think, okay, C's just going to kick the shit out of Memphis, as they've continued to do. So we're going to be focusing on Bucks Pacers and Lakers. wolves tonight. And then like we did last night at the tail end of the show, Jackson's going to come on and we're going to take, you know, 10 to 15 minutes worth of questions. So make sure you guys stick around. All you got to do is subscribe to the channel and then drop your questions in the chat and then we'll hit them at the end. You guys know the Joe before we get started, subscribe

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to really sift through the tape, the number one thing that stood out to me, there were some schematic things like, you know, overhelping off of Nas Reid, uh, in particular Nasreed, the specific offensive approach of focusing on attacking Biggs, particularly with LeBron versus attacking in the post. There were a couple things that stood out to me, but by far the biggest one was just the intensity. They just did not meet the moment. They didn't look ready for playoff basketball.

And so we all knew the Lakers were going to bring the requisite intensity coming into game too. And so honestly, coming into tonight, I didn't have a good feel for what tonight was going to look like. I viewed tonight as kind of more of like an introductory look at what it looks like when both of these teams are playing with insane intensity and what it looks like. And it turned into just an incredibly ugly basketball game and a knockdown, drag out fist fight of a game. And I'll lead with this because I said coming into the series that I thought this was a good matchup for the Lakers on both ends of the floor. And this is going to be the first series that I'm going to just admit that I'm wrong already.

I don't see any, obviously the Lakers could theoretically could win both in Minnesota and then come home and close it out and win in five. I would be shocked if the Lakers won this series in five games. I think if the Lakers get it done, it's going to be more like a six or seven game type of series. This is definitely not going to be easy for either team. The reality is, is that when the Lakers really tighten the screws defensively, Minnesota struggles to score. but as we saw at least through two games when Minnesota really tightens the screws, the Lakers really struggle to score. And that's really the give and take that I always talk about in these series,

which team can cause more problems for the other team? And I've seen plenty from the first two games to feel like Minnesota can cause some real problems for this team, really on both ends of the floor. And so with that being the case, I think this is going to be just an absolute knockdown, drag out, two week long fist fight of a series. And this is where if you're rooting for the Lakers, it's an upside that you ran into this type of matchup in the first round because you have a little bit more rest, right?

Like, as the series drags on, that rest becomes a little bit harder to come by. But you have two days off now between tonight in game three. So like game three is your opportunity to try to regain home court off of two full days of rest that they're going to get, or at least one full day, but if they practice on the other day. And so I think it's going to be one of those things where

if you're a Lakers fan, you've got to be thinking about surviving this series in a way that when you run into, let's say it's Golden State in round two. Golden State's an elite defense, but they're substantially smaller. And you run into potentially an OKC in the conference finals. They're an elite defense, but they're substantially smaller. The specific problem that the Lakers are running into is that they're a little bit, they're having a little bit of a problem compromising the size mismatches on the floor. Now, there's a certain element to this that we can get into involving the process. The Lakers are still just not even looking to attack Dante Divencenzzo, Mike Conley, Nikiel Alexander Walker, any of Minnesota smalls.

And so maybe that's the dynamic that could be something that the Lakers pull out later in the series. I've been thinking a lot about this. Like, why hasn't LeBron been posting up? I don't understand why he hasn't been looking to do it at all. He did it once late in the game to Nikiel Alexander Walker. That was a play where he knocked him over. And as as Nikiel fell over, it just caused LeBron to lose his rhythm. And then he ended up shooting that awful looking super short jump shot.

But like LeBron pretty much hasn't gone to that. My working theory is that it has to do with the specific way that he heard his groin. If you remember, he heard his groin on a pivot move against Al Horford in that Celtics game. And so there might be a certain amount of LeBron just not trusting his groin to post up. But it's very possible. especially if Minnesota wins this tug of war over the course of the next few games, that LeBron has to take that out of the bag, and that Luca has to take it out of the bag. Luca talked after the game, Taylor Rooks asked him about attacking Gobert and the crowd getting all hyped,

and he's like, you know, I love to attack centers. And it's like, that's great. But, you know, over the course of that game, Gobert held up pretty well at times. And they were bringing late help to the wolves were bringing like right at the last second. If Luca got into the short to mid-range, just right as he was going up with the shot, someone else would come in. He ended up drawing a foul on one of those early in the game. But there's a certain amount of right now this Lakers approach of hunting the Minnesota Biggs in space. You scored 94 points tonight. There were some highlights. You know, Luca at one point,

looked over at the Minnesota bench and started yelling about how you need a sub amount of the game. And it's like overall, the strategy is still working for Minnesota making things difficult. And at a certain point, I think LeBron and Luke are going to have to make a more concerted attempt to attack the Minnesota Smalls a little bit closer to the basket where their size is more of a factor. I mean, even when you factor in just the way this series is playing out physically, it would just be easier if you didn't have to, you know, take those extra bumps and bruises on ISOs against Biggs. But if you were taking those against a player that's, you know, 40, 50 pounds lighter than you. It's something to look into just in general. But yeah, again, like my first series prediction that I want to change, I don't think the Lakers are winning this thing in five.

I think it's going to be much more of a knockdown, dragout fight type of series. And that was just a misread on my part before the series, not accounting enough for just the unrelenting physicality that Minnesota brings to the table. I brought it up so many times during the regular season two, probably just a little bit of fan goggles there from Jason. But the Lakers strategy, interesting things. A little more staying home. Don't know if you guys noticed that. A little less just obsessively packing the paint, a little bit more counting on guys to defend

on an island. And so as a result, Aunt and Julius got some easier opportunities. The two of them had high scoring totals in this game. Aunt was able to get into the paint for easy layups a bunch of times in this game. Julius Randall did a ton of damage in the post. Those two guys go for 52, but there isn't a single Timberwolf who scored over 10 points. And so going back to what we saw in game one, just on a real basic level strategically, just look at the total of points. You just were able to hold Minnesota down, even though Aunt and Julius were more comfortable over the course of the game. But even within that context, there was a lot of mixing up coverages, a lot of zone defense. I shouldn't say a lot, but there were a few possessions of zone defense

mixed in, a few random doubles mixed in. But the majority of it was just meeting the moment with the requisite intensity. Right out the gates, the Lakers finally showed up to the playoffs physically. And as you saw over the course of the series or over the course of the game, Minnesota does have substantial strength advantages in a bunch of different spots on the floor that are manifesting with wearing them down at times. But the Lakers obviously have this clear aggregate skill advantage. The Lakers just have a little bit more at every position in terms of skill. LeBron is just a smarter connective playmaker, just an overall smarter player than Julius Randall.

Luca's just a more polished half-court surgeon than Anthony Edwards, like Austin, Rui, these guys, they're a little bit better offensively. And so that's going to be the tug of war of this series. As the Lakers match Minnesota's physicality, they're going to be able to take control for stretches, right? As Minnesota's physicality overwhelms the Lakers, that's when Minnesota will take control of the series. And that's going to be the tug of war.

And that's one of the big reasons why I talked about earlier, the specific cadence of the first round as an upside for the Lakers in this particular series. But again, like, as I talked about in the episode that we did last night, talking Clippers Nuggets, like so much of this is not about coming up with some game plan adjustment.

Like, yeah, the staying home, letting Aunt and Julius have a little bit more space. That was a strategy that had some positive impact tonight. The mixing up coverages that had some positive impact tonight. But the reality is they could have gone with the exact same game plan from game one, but brought this level of intensity and it could have worked better. You know what I mean? Like ultimately, especially when you're looking at the difference between those two performances for the Lakers,

most of it came down to them just inevitably getting to the point where they showed up in the series physically and started to compete. Austin Reeves, really, I was impressed by what he did in the second half, specifically with just finding ways to score. He did a lot more work. He did score finally on a couple of switches. He was able to get Nas Reid on one. He's able to get Rudy Gobert on one. He just kind of dances with the ball on the perimeter

until there's an over commitment one way or another. And then he's hitting that gap hard and getting out extended with that right-handed finish before the rim protector can get there. He was able to get a couple there. I thought he looked specifically comfortable against Nas Reid. Again, over the course of this series, that's really how things will sort out for the Lakers offensively.

They have to find pet actions in different phases of the game based on the lineup. So, for instance, in the first shift, I'm okay with LeBron attacking Gobert in a drop coverage, the way he did for that first lob to Jackson Hayes that he made. It was a drop coverage look. That makes some sense. I'm okay with Luca attacking Biggs in space. That works, right? With that unit, with the starting unit, it makes sense to lean heavily on Luca attacking

fives and mix in some LeBron attacking and drop coverage, right? But as you go through different phases of the game, your approach needs to change. And so it's like, okay, early fourth quarter, Austin has this matchup with Nas Reid. This is the time where Austin can look to attack fives and switches. Like, okay, early second quarter, early fourth quarter, this is when Nikiel Alexander Walker's on the floor. This is when LeBron needs to start looking to post Nikiel Alexander Walker. You You got to find the pet actions that you can run in different parts of the game to get comfortable. And that's going to be the chess match on the Lakers front. For the wolves, it's so much just about maintaining that physicality.

If the wolves just maintain the physicality that they maintained over the course of the majority of the first two games, they're going to give themselves a great chance to win the series. Because the Lakers' chance to win the series depends entirely on them hanging onto the rope for dear life. Like, as a Laker fan, did you feel like you kind of survive? that game tonight. Did you get out of that and to just take a deep breath and go like, good God, that was a fucking nightmare, right? But that's what it feels like when you're in those situations where they're bigger, they're stronger, and you're trying to meet their physicality and meet them at that level. You can do it, but you are going to fatigue. You're going to fatigue

faster. The Lakers will let go of the rope for stretches of this series. That's when Minnesota is going to gain heavy amounts of ground. And so again, Minnesota, like the biggest factor for them in this series in terms of their ability to win is just to maintain that physicality and capitalize on the stretches when the Lakers let go of the rope and start to give up those like transition opportunities. Classic example, late third quarter, just a couple of bad Luca possessions and easy three on two, two on one fast breaks, layups and all of a sudden it's a 16 point game when it was 21 a few possessions earlier. Like that's they can make up ground so quick. Whereas the Laker bleed building process feels more slow and methodical. A couple other specific things with a Laker role

players. I heard a lot of people talking about wanting more Jackson Hayes in this game. I have not seen the upside there. I think Jackson is just a really poor decision maker time and time again. He doesn't really know how to be physical without fouling on offense. It's inconsistent in terms of like his ability to set screens without setting illegal screens, his ability to be a vertical spacer on defense. It's the the fouling, but it's also like he'll just do what he did on that Julius, or that it was either,

I think it was Nas Reid, who took that little floater in the lane. And Jackson comes flying in and volleyball spikes it. And everyone in the arena is like, what the hell are you doing? It's like, this is a series where mistakes, look at the score. It's 95, 94 to 85.

These games are really low scoring. I don't think mistakes are going to, to be something that they can withstand in those Jackson A's minutes. So I didn't blame JJ for holding his minutes down again. Rui Hachamura only took two threes in this game. And I thought there were at least like three or four of them where Rudy was closing out. But like that's playoff basketball, Rui. Like you got to be able to take a three against the closeout. You got to be able to take a three with a hand in your face. If I was the Lakers coaching staff, I'd spend the next two days and get somebody one of those long arm like pads and I'd have Rudy shoot a bunch of

catch and shoot threes against a tall man contest because he's getting good looks and he's turning them down and then what ends up happening is the Lakers get into a late clock sequence and when they're in that late clock sequence they're struggling to get openings as Minnesota starts to leverage their athleticism more. So I really think Rui's got to be more aggressive in his catch and shoot situations for how open he was as often as he was tonight, only two three point attempts isn't going to cut it. As far as the bench group goes, I thought most of it worked relatively well. The Jared Vanderbilt stuff, same sort of thing. Jared's active, but he's just a little mistake prone right now. All in all, the story for the series for the Lakers is going to be

finding those pet actions. They've got to find different spots in the game where they can go to a specific action that works effectively and then spam it over the course of the series. You do have an IQ advantage in this series with your starting groups. If you make the better adjustments over the course of the series in terms of how you attack offensively, I'm less concerned about Aunt and Julius being able to solve those puzzles at a higher rate than you are. It's a battle of physicality versus IQ. And that is going to be the puzzle for the Lakers to solve over the course of the series. On the wolves front, there's some really encouraging stuff there. Julius Randall, and I talked about this before the series,

there's this like reputation that Julius Randall has is like a bad playoff player. When every single time I've watched Julius Randall in his career, he's been a guy that like if you give him a long runway, like when he's played 20 regular season games in a row and he's like got his legs, his conditioning and his rhythm, he can be a really impactful all NBA level player. But then when he gets hurt, even when he comes back,

it just takes him a long time to find his rhythm. It's not entirely uncommon. I feel the same way about LeBron. I feel the same way about Austin. There are guys like that, especially LeBron at this age in his career when he's not as athletic, right? But, like, I think it's a great sign for Minnesota fans how Julius Randall has looked through these first two games. He looks fantastic.

I think he looks fantastic on both ends of the floor. Luca did finally get him once with a scoop layup tonight, but he continues to hold up really well on switches. He's doing a ton of damage in the middle of the floor. he had some key helpside defense possessions. Got beat on a backdoor cut by Dorian Fannie Smith in the in the first half, but had a huge backside rotation to block Austin Reeves at the rim on a key possession late. I think you're getting a lot out of Julius Randall.

As you go home, you're going to be able to get more out of the role players as well. Game three to me is the big swing game of this series. It's going to be arrested Lakers group. Obviously that mattering with LeBron and with Luca not being in the best shape of his life right now. That game three is going to be the one where I see as a good opportunity. for the Lakers to try to steal home court back. Where it gets tricky is if the wolves do get game three. It's a really quick turnaround before game four.

I think it's only one night off. So that game four becomes all of a sudden a must win game for the Lakers and they would be playing two nights after another one of these knockdown, dragout fights like they had in game three. So I think it's not a must win per se, but I think that game three in Minnesota is the one that the Lakers got to get if they're going to remain in control of this series. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers.

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So the main adjustments I noticed from the Bucks, they started switching almost everything, especially with Lopez, with Brooke Lopez and ball screens with Tyreys Halliburton. With Damian Lillard, they used basically kind of a switch and scram scheme. So like if Dame ever ended up on a big, whether it was Siakum or Turner or someone like that, they would just basically have him rotate out of it and bring another one of Milwaukee's bigger wings to come in and rescue Dame out of those mismatches. And the Pacers just absolutely fried every single coverage the Bucks tried in this game. Tyrese went absolutely crazy against Brooke and switches.

And like that sort of thing would only work with Brooke Lopez. if you are a strong backside rotation team. And the bucks just aren't. They haven't been a strong backside rotation team all year. And he just started cooking Brooke immediately. Drove right past him on an early possession, kicked to the corner for Knee Smith for an easy bucket. He had like a really nifty step through,

lefty scoop shot off the glass on a switch against Brooke Lopez. Had a play where he kind of hesitated and looked at the rim like he was going to take a jumper. And Brooke took like two steps out to the top of the key. And Tyrese just went right around and literally made him look like he was stuck in the mud. had a dunk. He blew by him for a drop off to see Ackham in the second half. Finally late in the game, Brooke was like, I can't keep getting beat off the dribble. So he just played way back. And then Tyrese burned him by hitting a three right in his face at the top of the key. So like that didn't work. The Pacers even looked super prepared for the scram switches.

And this is something I want to credit the Indiana coaching staff, Rick Carlisle and his guys. We saw the Bucks do that with Dame quite a bit in the regular season. And so they clearly scouted it. And they were ready for it. There was one where Dame scrammed out to the left corner to get Obie topping, but right as he was scrambling, right as he was sprinting over there, Obi just cut back door through the lob and he got a dunk. There was another one where he was sprinting. Like literally, he was in the process of sprinting to go to Kneesmith in the right corner.

The Pacers identified it immediately, swing, swing, hit Knee Smith in the right corner. He knocked down a three. They were going at Dame just one on one. They realized that he can't get a great contest on pull-up jump shots. They were hitting pull-up jump shots in his face. they just were prepared for every single thing that the Bucks tried to do. Still did a lot of just damage in transition in this game. Out of their 108 possessions, 45 of them were logged by Synergy as pushing the ball with pace.

And on those possessions, they logged a 124 offensive rating. T.J. McConnell did a bunch of damage on like semi-transition drives in those situations before the help defense was set up. And I remain just completely impressed by Andy. and his collective team jump shooting. They were seventh as a team and jump shooting in the regular season. They averaged 1.07 points per jump shot

as a team throughout the unit, throughout the season. They got 1.23 points per jump shot in game one and 1.22 points per jump shot in game two. They have just consistently burned the bucks every single time they've made a mistake. And that was honestly the hilarious part about the late game comeback, right?

So the bucks actually cut this lead down to three, I believe, late. It was at least, it was two or three. I think they actually cut it to two. It was 115, 113. A couple of things that were working offensively. Same Janus offensive rebound putbacks around the basket. Bobby Portis hit a couple threes. Dame hit a big three at the top of the key. They hit some shots. But on the other end of the floor, Pacers were still getting great looks and they just missed them. Tyrese Halliburton got a wide open look in that stretch that he missed. Miles Turner got a wide open look in that stretch that he missed. Pascal Seacum got a wide open look in that stretch that he missed. They were just open looks at the pacer's were missing. And so what was funny is

Dame hits the shot that cuts it to three. And then on the very next possession, they leave Pascal Seaccom wide open again. And this time he makes it and effectively ends the game. It's a really weird kind of like double low man look from Bobby Portis and Kyle Kuzma. Miles Turner was sitting around the right block. And Kuzma went way inside of Miles Turner. And so Portis and Kuzma were both standing inside of Miles Turner, while Seacom was outside of Miles Turner way out at the three-point line, just to try to kind of set up the geometry for you guys. And it was as good a look as the Pacers got all game. And so it's one of those things where like it felt more like a fake comeback there from the Bucks late because they were still conceding the same shots they had been conceding all game.

They were just hitting on one end of the floor and the Pacers went cold for a little bit. On the Bucks front, it's really hard to come up with real solutions. there isn't really a coverage they can run with Brooke Lopez that works. Like if you run a drop coverage, that's suicide against Tyrese Halliburton. He's got all the mid-range and floater shot making, right? If you run a high drop coverage, Tyrese is arguably a top three or four pick and roll passer in the league, probably closer to two or three,

pick and roll passer in the league at terms of just making basic reads on where the low man is and where the screen defender is. And if you come up and put two on the ball with him, whether it's a high drop or a blitz or anything like that, he's going to pick you apart with the pass. Then if you switch, he's just way too slow-footed to be able to handle Halberton in space. And the team doesn't really have a backside kind of like rotational fly-around athleticism element to compensate for the dribble drives that Lopez is going to give up. So they don't really have a coverage there that works.

Portis and Kuzma aren't exactly defensive answers. Like I talked about it, the Pacers were still getting open looks. I would probably still go with them and still switch like they have been, especially with as well as Bobby Portis has been shooting the ball. Kyle Kuzma did finally, I felt bad for Kyle early in the game. He smoked two wide open layups. No, I shouldn't say wide open layups or tough layups.

He had a kind of like a step-through layup against a small attacking and mismatch. And then he had a pass from Yonis where he was right at the rim that he just smoked. And it looked like it was going to keep spiraling, but he just kept being aggressive and he did finally manage to bring some scoring pop to the table. I do like the idea of leaning into those two more and switching. Most of it is going to be about process from there. You have to run good offense to avoid precarious transition situation. So like someone tell Kevin Porter Jr.

That he shouldn't even look at taking a shot unless there's like three seconds on the shot clock. Or if it's like a wide open shot in the coverage. Like it's a drop coverage and they stay with Yannis and you've got a layup. Or they die on the screen and you've got like an all day pull up three, something like that. that's fine, but there were way too many possessions. There was one where, like, Janus was calling, like, demanding the ball on the block. And Kevin Porter Jr. took a pull-up three on the right wing,

and the Pacers just ran out and got a bucket off of it. Like, there's certain, like, offensive process stuff that you have to do in order to avoid those transition situations. And then just in general, just setting up your floor spacing in a way that you still have guys that are back and ready to contend with the Pacers in transition. The Dame thing is interesting. I thought Dane was an absolute nightmare on defense tonight. He ended up providing what, like 14 points on 13 shots.

If I remember correctly, I don't have the box score up. But he wasn't exactly a super efficient score. I get it. Like, you almost feel like you have to play Dame. I don't know how you explain to Dame or to your fans, the idea that like you're going to like sit him or limit his minutes in a series like this. because if you lose and you have dames just sitting on the bench,

that's a really, really tough pill to swallow if you're a fan, right? But it's just tough because dame is out of rhythm, clearly, and he brings a lot of defensive issues. And so honestly, it's just a gamble. I get it. I'd probably make the same gamble, but, like, I wish there was a way to manage it in a way where, like, you almost, like, come up with a minute restriction or something

to kind of ramp him up over the course of the series. it's far more likely that in a game five, six, or seven that Dame brings more offensive pop than he did at this phase in the series. And tonight I thought he probably did a little bit more damage than good. And so it's just honestly a really, really tough position to be in if you're Milwaukee. And as you dig into it, it really just comes down to roster issues. Now, this one, I'm not ready to bail on my pick yet. The Bucks could certainly regain control of things in Milwaukee, especially if Dame gets going. But it doesn't look good for them. And the matchup continues to present some clear problems for their defensive scheme that have been on display throughout the first two games. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, new? Huge news.

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a rock fight series like this favor the Lakers or the Warriors or the Wolves as the series goes for it? The more physical the series is the more the refs let both teams get away with the better it is for Minnesota for sure. I think that I think that goes without saying. I think if there happened to be a game in the series and you know how it is, there's different officiating crews, right? Like I thought tonight was a game where they actually called quite a few fouls on both teams. But at the same time, there were a lot of uncalled fouls. But it was one of those games where there at least a dozen fouls on like every possession like everyone's just getting hacked all over the place and I do think that favors Minnesota but at the same time like that is playoff basketball

and so at the end of the day like that is the challenge for the Lakers and I I mean if you can somehow survive this series even though Golden State in round two or Houston like Houston I actually think presents similar problems to the Lakers that that Minnesota does but if you get a Golden State if you get an O KC and later rounds those teams don't have the sheer size that can cause problems for you. But Minnesota definitely is benefiting from the whistle. Yeah, I definitely agree. They were, I mean, there was a lot of online chattered today

about how the refs were handing the Lakers that game. And I think that whether that's true or not, I think it's an encapsulation of the fact that when the whistle is tighter, it's going to benefit the team that's less physical because some of those more physical plays are getting called. The Blakers got called for two more fouls than Minnesota. That's literally Fantasyland. Yeah, I don't, I don't really have any issues

with the way the game was referee. I thought it was, the whistle was a little tight, but it was equally tight both ways. Yeah, and it was tight in a way that was like they were like there were a lot of foul calls, but there were also a lot of uncalled foul calls. Like, like, but yeah, dude, any conversation surrounding the Lakers in officiating is like completely disingenuous. I saw that all day today during the game and it's like literally throughout the entire game, the Lakers had more foul called, fouls called against them in Minnesota. It's like, it's legitimately fantasy land. but as you if you do any even just like a little bit of basic research on the laker foul disparity thing it's completely hoarshit it's just fantasy land from other fan bases this is a super chat from jm

thank you for the uh super track question how can aunt get more points in the paint against la's defense outside of the poster dunk it almost seemed like luka was more aggressive driving to the rim than ant i feel like aunt got to the basket quite a bit tonight um the way that the lakers were guarding him they were i thought ruy actually did a pretty decent job I want to credit Rui a little bit. Like he was able to cut off Ants first to drive a bunch of times and then flatten out his second drive. So credit to Rui, I actually thought he played some really good defense tonight. He had a huge sequence late in the game, too, where he had a help side rotation at the rim and got a stop and then leaked out and transition the other way and got a layup.

Like Rui, I was frustrated with the three-point shooting, but he made a lot of really nice plays tonight. As far as Ant getting into the paint, like a lot of it is lineup structure. two, like every single minute that Rudy Gober is on the floor, he's going to run into a second defender. That's just how it goes. If you're looking at these Luca drives, they play Jackson Hayes for eight minutes and they play, or nine minutes and they played, you know, uh, uh, Vando for like even less. So if you really dig into it, 30 minutes of the game, you have five shooters on the floor. So as a result of that, there's less help at the basket on some of these Luca drives compared to what you're seeing from the Lakers and that's how it looks like

Luke is getting there easier but most of this is schematic yeah for sure uh next question do you think Minnesota will use different actions to get antha ball and get him to the rim in other ways pin downs cutting inverted pick and roll etc basically how how do we feel like the wolves can try to get ant going a little more considering some of these lineup restrictions and some of the way the Lakers are defending him it's a good question I mean a good A good percentage of it is like I thought I thought Ait and Julius were great tonight. Like guys, like we have to completely reconfigure the way we look at box scores. This is this has been an issue that I've been looking at a lot over the course of the last few years.

Like we talk so much. It's about like this guy's averaging 34 points a game. And it's like the teams are averaging like 120 something points a game. Like this was a game that ended 94 to 85. So just do like do a like a basic ratio type of calculation. So let's say the Lakers scored 94. And in a typical regular season game, it's more like, you know, 114 to, you know, to like 104 or something like that.

If you count, if you account for that, that increase in scoring volume, that night from Anthony Edwards isn't a 25 point night. It's a 32 point night. That night from Julius Randall's not a 27 point night. It's a 32 point night. Like, I thought Aunt and Julius were great tonight. The key there is Jaden McDaniels missed the threes that he took in game one. like Conley miss the threes. Nause Reed missed the threes. Like,

Nikiel, like, they just didn't shoot as well. And credit to Lakers. Like, I mean, what did I say after game one? I said, if you're just sitting here crossing your fingers, hoping the wolves are going to miss, it's not going to happen. You have to bring the requisite intensity to force misses. And it goes both ways. Like, you want to know why LeBron's leaving jumpers short and Lucas leaving jumpers short and no one can make anything. And both teams shot 20, 21 percent from three. It's because the game is so damn physical that everyone's legs are fucking exhausted and no one has the power or the energy to knock down shots. That's usually how it goes. It's just like there were a few more shots that went down for the Lakers

tonight. It's literally the difference in the game. But I actually thought Ant and Julius both played really well tonight. Yeah, I think especially as scores, like I thought 10 of 22 in a playoff game, that physical is not all that bad at the shooting night. I think the bigger number if you're looking at, if you're going to box for a watch and combine it with the way that actually watching the game, zero. assist for Ann is the glaring number compared to nine in game one. Yeah. Oh, for sure. You know, a lot of that is not his fault. It's a lack of shot making, but combined with those more intense closeouts from the Lakers. But that's, if the, if the Timberwolves

want to be at as close to optimal offensively as they can be, it's 25, 30 points for man and five plus assists. It doesn't need to be nine every game, I don't think, for them to win the series, but it's got to be more than zero. No, I totally agree. That's a, that's a great point. I get there is a little bit of a game plan element to that in the sense that the lakers were playing closer to shooters off ball and the reads for aunt in game one were a little bit easier but i agree with you like it's got to be more balanced there uh julius brought it julius had six assists tonight but yeah like i i didn't think i and we're going to do a film session tomorrow and uh whoever it is that asked that question if you come back tomorrow i will make a pointed effort to dig into minnesota's offense better and see if i can't find some more uh detailed answers for you about how to go from there. We got a couple questions about Connect and about Jackson Hayes and we'll should those guys get in Connect's case any minutes but should Jackson Hayes get more minutes and you know there's a lot of lively debate in the chat. Shout out to the chat for those arguing debating on both sides. But just in general your take on why some of these guys who feel like they can be contributed here is because of a

specific skill they might have but why are they not getting more playing time or any playing time you know in Connect's case. So as you as you as you as we talked about in the in the initial reaction things can go south so fast if you got a guy who makes mistakes like this game wouldn't even have been remotely close late if jackson hayes doesn't set a completely unnecessary back court screen where you just straight up trip jaded m'd and then gold tended like if you look at the lakers offensive rating let's just call it one point and then jackson hayes blocking a shot that literally would have been a miss that would have led to another transition possession going the other way.

Like, that was a huge swing there in a four point swing or whatever in a game that finished 94, 85. It literally, it's like a touchdown. It's like when you watch, it's like when you were watching that, that Houston Golden State game. Like every step three feels like a shotgun blast to the chest because the score is so low that like relative to what we look at is regular season scoring, those are massive shots in the game. Like Fred Van Vleet finally hits a three at the end of the.

game and all of a sudden it's close because there's no real margin. There's no real separation because of how physical and how intense these games are. But yeah, like, do I think that Dalton Connect is going to suddenly step into this obscenely physical series and just suddenly bring a bunch of pop? No, like you bring him out the same way you would, like we talked about with Jonathan Caminga for Golden State. If it's game three and it's mid third quarter and you're down 17 and there's a clear guy who's really struggling. Like let's say Dorian Finney Smith. is just straight up not having a good night on either end of the floor. Then, yeah, by all means, throw Dalton out there.

You know what I mean? But like, I don't think Jackson Hayes is the answer. I don't think Dalton Connect is the answer. This feels very much like a six and a half man rotation that the Lakers actually trust. And it's basically the core five with Dorian, Phenny Smith, Gabe Vincent, a little bit of like Jordan Goodwin, Jared Vanderbilt, whatever you want to call that extra guy. But like, I don't think they really have a, I don't think they have an answer on the bench

beyond the fact that Austin's got to play better. Austin, I bounced back nicely in the second half, but Austin's got to hit some spot up threes. Like Austin and LeBron, one for 11 from three. Those guys got to knock down shots. Like, I don't think this is an end of the bench answer. I think this is your core guys got to play better. Look at the minutes.

Rui, 34 minutes with a facial injury that took him out for his normal early second quarter shift. LeBron 40, Luca, 42, Austin 43, Dorian Phiney Smith, 39. Like, you're going down with those guys. Those are the guys you got to look for answers. from. J.J. Reddick saying first playoff series as a coach, I'm running my guys out there.

I think just to sort of put a period on the point, though, I saw someone say this on Twitter the other day, that the NBA has shifted in a way, away from just which team has the best player to which team has the worst player on the floor. And it's why Jordan Goodwin is getting minutes,

not that he's getting a lot, but he's getting some minutes over a guy like Dalton Connect. He's not obviously the offensive player that Dalton Connect is, but you're not picking on him in a way that you would, you know, someone like someone connect. Jordan had some incredible defensive sequences tonight. He's good on D, man. Great closeouts,

beaten guys to spots, fighting for contested rebounds, tapping the ball around. Like, I Jordan played seven minutes. I thought he was good when he was out there. Like, and that's the thing. Like, you're, these rock fight games are an entirely different animal. It is so much more about IQ

and physicality than it is about top end skill. Like, it just is. That's just how it works. Which, by the way, is yet another reason why the Lakers need to attack Mike Conley and Dante Devenzo. Dude, Jackson, it's killing me, man. It's killing me. Watch. Like, like, I, I, all I can say is I hope this is like a LeBron and Luca, no deep down, like, we're going to go to the post later in the series. If there was, if you're Lakers fans and you're looking for, you know, something to drive home that point, I think about game six against the Warriors two years ago when LeBron

wouldn't post up at all. And then finally in game six, he just lived down there and just annihilated Andrew Wiggins. Like, that's what you got to hope for is that LeBron's just saving that for a late series punch. And the advantage there would be if you, if LeBron breaks that out and breaks it out effectively in like a pivotal game five or something like that, it could literally be something that happens late enough in the series that the wolves don't have enough time to really game plan or adjust to it. And but I, I tend to think more urgently.

I tend to think like let them figure out how to adjust to it, but let's throw our best punch early. That's more my philosophy, but who knows? It could literally be the groin. Like, we don't know what's going on with LeBron mentally and what he trusts and what he does it. Let's take a couple from some other series. We got a lot of Lakers questions. If Tatum's wrist is a factor for the whole postseason, A, what does that change your outlook for the Celtics? And B, is there a way for the Celtics to game plan around that? He's, last I checked, he's doubtful or maybe upgraded to question more for game two, but my guess is he's not going to play tomorrow. Did he get upgraded to questionable?

someone in the chat said he's questionable. Last I saw you. I saw doubtful. Yeah, I did see the doubtful thing. My first thing that I thought when I saw the Tatum is doubtful thing is like, oh shit, like Jalen Brown's a little banged up, Tatum's a little banged up. A couple guys aren't shooting as well as last year. Like there's some obvious signs for concern.

But the more I thought about it, uh, it could almost be a blessing in disguise if it gets Tatum to take less jump shots. You know what I mean? Like, like if it turns into a, a thing where Tatum goes like, man, like, I don't really trust my jumper further away from the basket because of this wrist issue and he just becomes a physical bully ball playmaker. It could still manifest well. I would actually say that I'm more worried. I would be more worried

about a different Celtic like Horford or Porzingis going down or Jalen Brown just not bringing the requisite scoring pot because of his knee. Tatum is just so versatile and so much of his game is predicated on like all these little things that he does well. And the jump shooting is like, kind of one of those things where it's like Tatum can go three for 12 on jump shots and have a great game. I mean, I feel like that's half of Tatum's games. Like, so the reality is, is like, Tatum doesn't necessarily need his jump shot to be great. And so I'm less concerned about him in his wrist, if that makes sense. Yeah. I agree. I mean, I think that the first, this series, you've got to assume it's not going to matter. Whether Orlando looks, you know, they got a tough

defense, they're physical, they present some matchup challenges. But if you got the aspirations that the Southics do, you got to be able to get past his team with a hobbled Tatum or with him missing a couple of games. So I think you got to think about it more in the long term. But I don't know, wrists are weird. It's hard. It's, it's tough. I hope it's not doesn't become this cloud over the postseason run. Like, well, if only Tatum's risk was healthy, you know what I mean? Like I, it's tough.

If they, if they are able to get a sweep here without him and he gets some time off, hopefully, I'm hoping it just is is not an issue by my next. Have you ever had a wrist injury? I have. Yeah. I haven't had a severe one until recently. And then I, my guy Daniel Konork, one of my favorite players here in town that I compete with and against. Big dude, like 6'4, like 240. And I kind of like caught him on a transition possession.

He was coming full speed at me. And I like inverted my wrist this way. And that was like six months ago. And it hurts worse now than it ever had. as it lingers and it's like thankfully it's my non-shooting hand so it hasn't had that big of an impact but like there are so many different little things that I'll try to do and it hurts and I'm like fuck this sucks like it's just such a pain in the ass like wrist injuries they just linger and they linger and they linger like it's very possible that he's dealing with this for the rest

of the playoff run it's at least worth considering I'm just if there was a star in this league that could withstand something like that it'd be tatum because of his versatility yeah I think that's a great point. I think it's a great point. Do you think Dame would be better off coming off the bench and running the second unit? No, I would, and I mean, I feel like they did do this tonight. Like, I felt like they more or less played through Janus when he was on the floor. I think Dame should be more aggressive with the bench units. Like, that's just time to look to be aggressive. What I would have done is I would have limited his minutes earlier in the series still starred him, but limited his minutes, play him off the ball when he's with Janus, play him on the ball when he's without Janus. The, the

I don't think the answer is like, like, people focus on this, like coming off the bench thing. Like, to me, like, doing that with Dame doesn't solve the problem. You can stagger to deal with that. So, like, for instance, you could have Dame come out at like the seven minute mark of the first quarter, bringing Kevin Porter Jr. Then bring Dame back in to start the second quarter when Yannis comes out or something along those lines. There are ways to work around it so that you can still keep Dame with bench units without necessarily having to bring him off the bench.

I agree with you. All right, let's do one more question. I like the way the way this question was worded was funny. It said, assuming Cleveland wins the East, quite the assumption, but assuming Cleveland wins the East, who would you have facing them in the NBA finals? And I think a more apt question is if we end up with two one seeds in the finals, certainly possible, who would you have in an OKC Cleveland matchup? I would take OKC.

I think OKC is like the ultimate like antidote for everything Cleveland does. They have just a shit ton of fast, like great perimeter defenders that aren't necessarily big. And Cleveland just doesn't have the ability to punish. Like DeAndre Hunter can do it a little bit. You can see, you know, Evan Mobley do it a little bit. But they're not necessarily a big like matchup attacking team in terms of attacking like smaller players. That's not something that they do extremely well. They're more of a speed attack.

and okay c is just like the ultimate speed and fly around teen i'd like as far as matchups go i i can't think of a worse matchup for cleveland than okay c i i am also like really intrigued by just how good golden state is by how good this minnesota and l a these two teams are um if you told me right now like okay c or the field in the west it's pretty much a coin flip to me so like i still still think there's a pretty solid chance that we don't see O KC in the finals. Yeah, that OKC versus the field question is really, really interesting.

I think I would go to the field as well. OKC does so many things better than so many teams, but the West looks strong. The West looks really strong. Yeah. To your point, you can be the favorite and still be statistically unlikely to do something.

Like, that's a very important thing to understand. Like, As far as I understand, OKC is currently the championship favorite in Vegas, but they are statistically unlikely to win the championship. Like, it's more likely that it's somebody else. And so it's one of those, that it's just something to keep in mind. But yeah, I think OKC would, I think OKC would handle Cleveland. I think they'd deal with them in, you know, five or six games.

The draft king's answer to our question is what is OKC versus the field is OKC is a minus 165 conference favorite right now. So they're slightly favored over the field. That's crazy to me. That is crazy to me. You want to guess who's second? Um, Golden State. Indeed, plus 600. Wow, that's really fascinating.

Very fascinating. I'm surprised the Clippers are at plus 1,000. They're fourth. Lakers are at 850. Dude, I like weirdly came away from the first two games of Nuggets Clippers, like a little bit, like just a tiny bit down on both of them. Like, like, it's weird. Like, I shouldn't say a tiny bit down on both of them.

I viewed the Clippers as like closer to OKC and Denver is like well below. them and I view the clippers a little lower and I view the nuggets higher but they still now both are substantially below it's just it's more just all of them like Minnesota LA Golden State Denver clippers one of those five is going to survive this mess and end up in a knockdown drag out fight with O KC that could go either way is the point and that that's where I see it as like the field has an advantage there I shouldn't even say advantage I mean coin flip but you get all right let's call it for the night back tomorrow morning. All right, day four in the books. We're chugging right along, guys. We will have

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