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Episode Date: May 31, 2024

Jason Timpf reacts to Luka Doncic, Kyrie Irving, and the Dallas Mavericks’ 124-103 Game 5 win over Anthony Edwards, Karl-Anthony Towns, and the Minnesota Timberwolves to advance to the NBA Finals. Jason breaks down Dallas’ dominant win and shares his early thoughts on the Mavericks’ matchup with Jayson Tatum and the Boston Celtics. #volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hope all of you guys are having a great week. Well, Luca Donchich, in shockingly similar fashion to what he did in 22 on the road in Phoenix and Game 7 of the second round series. of the Western Conference playoffs. He rolls up into Minnesota tonight, and just from the opening tip, is super aggressive, goes at Minnesota's throat,

snatches their soul. Minnesota loses composure. The game completely goes off the rails in the first half, and Dallas is now advancing to the NBA finals. We're going to break down that highly interesting game from the perspective of both teams, get a little bit into Minnesota's offseason, a little bit into a little tiny preview of the NBA finals.

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in this video. All right. Let's talk. talk some basketball. So one of my favorite things about the game of basketball is there's an inherent unpredictability to it. That statement that I always use that I stole from Mark Titus, right? Like basketball is more art than science. I've been waiting for someone to articulate the way I feel about it for a long time and Mark did it so well. And what that means to me is like, no matter how hard you try, you can't solve the game of basketball. There's no way to like parse it down to a number to add predictability or to make decision making easy for front office. or for coaching staves or anything along those lines, right?

There's an inherent kind of like unsolvability to the game, right? I'm not against people trying to. I think you should. If you're not trying to solve the game by employing the smartest analytical professionals, the analytics professionals that exist in the world, if you're not trying, then you're wasting a competitive advantage. You should be trying. But it's a hopeless task at the end of the day in terms of actually perfecting that.

And the reason why is how do you account for what Luca Donchage did tonight? How do you account for the fact that he walked into Minnesota and snatched their soul and then Minnesota just completely decomposed and forgot how to play basketball? I talk about belief being a very important thing in basketball. What that means to me is it's hard to play defense at a championship level, to chase over the top of screens, to apply back pressure, to tag the roller and recover out, to get a body on someone on a boxout. there's a level of commitment that is really difficult to get to to defend at a championship level. That's why so few teams do it every single year, right? And in order to push yourself in that way to really exert yourself when there's nothing left in the tank, you have to believe that you can get to the Larry O'Brien trophy.

And then when a team loses belief, all those little extra efforts, all that little bit of physicality and fight that's there when they can see the trophy and believe in their ability to get there, that goes out the window. And then all of a sudden, you're not making those extra efforts. You're not focusing and you're not as disciplined and you're not paying as much attention to the details you typically do, and things can go off the rails.

What happened tonight is Luca went into that arena and from the opening tip tried to sap the Minnesota Timberwolves of their belief that they could win that game, let alone that series. Right? I had this game as more or less a coin flip. I think I had it 55-45-45 that Dallas would win. But game six was the tough one, right?

Game six is the one that you're like, you really don't think Minnesota can go in there and get it done, right? Especially in a desperate type of environment for Dallas. But Luca snatched them of their belief tonight on their home floor. Like what just happened in the last series when we saw a similar type of sequence of events? Like Minnesota goes home in game six and just is a buzzsaw and just runs through Denver. or what were they up like 45 at one point? That was what Minnesota looked like at home facing elimination last time.

And Luca did not allow that to happen. I thought it was abundantly clear from the opening tip. The first play of the game was a little back screen set designed to get Luca Donchitz switched onto Mike Conley in the post. It was a play designed to get Luca to shoot. He immediately got the switch, took Conley down to the block, a little pound dribble into the lane, went to a left shoulder hook, and Gobert goal tended it. Very next

possession, he took a catch and shoot 30 foot 3 and hit in Anthony Edwards face. 30 foot catch and shoot 3. That's not a good shot. That's a I'm trying to snatch your soul shot and he made it. Two possessions later, another step back 30 footer in a ball screen against Anthony Edwards.

Two possessions later, straight ISO of Jaden McDaniels hits a step back 18 footer going to his right. He went at their throats early to make sure they knew that they couldn't win this game. He had 20 of their first 30 points. He single-handedly outscored the Timberwolves in the first quarter.

It was a completely transparent effort to sap his opponent of belief, and it worked. The wolves had nine turnovers in the first half. They shot 34% from the field. They were two for 12 from three. Everyone looked shook. That's what he does. And it's a two-way impact because at the same time, it infuses your own team with belief. All of a sudden, PJ Washington, Daniel Gafford, Derek Jones, Jr.,

All these guys go, we're getting this done tonight. Stay locked in. We're getting this done. There was a play where in that first quarter stretch where Luca hit a bucket and the camera zooms in on Luca talking to Gafford on the other end of the floor. It was the pass where Luca tried to throw the lob to Gafford and Gafford missed it and it went off the glass, but it somehow ended up in Gafford's hands and he dunked it. On that play, the camera catches Luca.

He's in Gafford's ears. Gafford's laughing about what happened. and Luca goes, let's get a stop. Because Luke is keeping, it's a two-way effect. He is destroying the entire confidence and belief of the Minnesota Timberwolves while infusing his team with an unwavering faith that they're going to get it done. And that just manifests in everything for his team. All the role players playing with confidence,

they shoot 60% from the field and 60% from 3 in the first half. And it turned into a route before we even went to. to the locker rooms. I just want to tip the cap to Luca Donchich because after Yokic got eliminated in rather disappointing fashion in the last round, he showed some decline, both as a jump shooter and as a defensive player.

That best player in the world title was just sitting there to be grabbed, and Luca is grabbing that title and leaving absolutely no doubt. He took the defense that shut down the Denver Nuggets and completely eviscerated it. If he can go into Boston, and outplay Tatum to this type of extent.

We're talking about a pretty special playoff run here. I'm very, very excited to watch Luca Donchich on that NBA final stage. And I think it's going to be an interesting challenge, the next layer of this, right? Like, remember those quotes from LeBron James through the playoff run last year as he was trying to help his young team get through? He's like, it always gets harder. No matter what, it just gets harder the next round, no matter what you think it's going to be like, it just gets harder. And Boston's going to be harder. Boston has more talent on both ends of the floor than Dallas does.

But Luca's the best player in the series, and he has the biggest advantage for either team in the half court. And so I think he's going to need to have a similar impact on Boston that he had on Minnesota tonight. This is a Boston team that can get discombobulated from time to time and play really bad basketball for stretches. If Luca can dominate the game, especially mentally to the point where Boston kind of loses composition, that's their best pathway. And he's going to have the advantages to do it. He has similar size advantages against Boston's perimeter defenders,

basically everybody but Tatum. He has similar size advantages that he had against Jaden McDaniels. Drew Holliday's a big, strong guard, but he's not quite as big and strong as Lou Dort. It was big and strong enough to cause Lucas some issues, right? I barely started digging into some film earlier this week,

and I was watching the game that Dallas played in Boston, and the very first play of the game. Jalen Brown's guarding Luca. Simple guard guard screen to get Drew Holiday switched on to Luca. Luca goes into a ball screen. Drew Holliday's trailing the play. Kind of gets onto Luca's side into that like sidecar jail that I keep talking about, right?

And he just meanders into the lane, baits porzingis into recovering back, and he just shoots a little easy floater over the top of Drew Holiday into the basket. That's the type of advantage that he's going to continue to have going into the next round, and he's going to need to continue to continue to exploit that. He is the guy

that can flip the script and get PJ Washington and get all these guys to play confidently. Kyrie can meet his level and try to get Boston to kind of lose that belief. I'm super excited for that challenge. You know, again, like if he can pull that off, that starts to make this look like, because he struggled in the first couple of rounds, but obviously he was dealing with the knee injury, doing what he did to this Minnesota team. If he can somehow continue that and beat Boston, that's a pretty special playoff run in NBA history.

I want to shout out Kyrie Irving. He met Lucas level tonight. There was a level of, there was a level of difficult shot making that he hit against Nikiel Alexander Walker on those like short pull-up jumpers, that crazy floating finish he had over Rudy Gobert. Like, he added to the,

to the assault on the confidence of the Minnesota Timberwell was by him meeting Lucas level tonight. I thought he was incredible. A little bit of a preview for you guys on the, schedule for our finals preview stuff. So again, I'm going to be doing a mailbag tomorrow. The whole thing will air tomorrow. We'll run breakouts on Saturday and Sunday.

Monday morning, I'm going to focus on just one end of the floor. It'll either be Boston on offense or Dallas on offense. Tuesday morning is going to be an entirely separate video focusing on the other end of the floor. So we're going to go really deep with film sessions on both teams on either end of the floor Monday, Tuesday. We have the nerd sesh guys coming on Wednesday morning. And then I have Sam Vassini from the athletic coming on Wednesday. afternoon. So we're going to have just a ton of finals preview content coming out over the course of the beginning of next week. I'm looking forward to getting into it.

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You guys have been listening to the show for a while, know what I'm talking about here. Like I, Anthony Edwards, Jada McDaniels, Rudy Gobert, the concept of elite rim protection and elite perimeter defense is very exciting to me. You guys are seeing a version of that with the Dallas Mavericks right now, with Derek Jones Jr. at the point and lively and Gafford on the backline, right?

And just how impactful that can be in the NBA playoffs. but one of the fundamental differences between Luca Donchich operating in that type of build and Anthony Edwards operating in that type of build is Luca is a master manipulator of the half court. It's like a natural ability, right? I've been talking about this forever, but like there is a short list of guys that I think have that natural passing ability. Like there's so much of it that you can work out through repetition and just see getting tons and tons of reps in the half court. And then there's another element to it that is just kind of you're born with it, right? Luke is born with it. Yokic is born with it.

LeBron's born with it. Chris Paul's born with it. There's a short list of guys that kind of have that just natural playmaking ability. And Luca does. So when Luca runs up against Rudy Gobert on the back line and has a non-shooter in Daniel Gafford or Derek lively rolling to the basket, he's comfortable getting the defender into jail, methodically working into the lane, waiting for guys to commit and to bait bait help defenders into making the wrong decision or just making a read based on what decision

they make. That's what Luca can do. I think Anthony Edwards can get better at that, but I'm worried that he doesn't have the natural playmaking ability to be able to play in that type of closed off environment. And so when I think about the Gobert build, like when I watch that series. There's a lot of different stuff that happened, right? And like, obviously it was a problem that Minnesota, like Jada McDaniels is too small for Luca, right? Like, that's a problem. There's lots of problems for that took place in this series on both ends of the floor. But the main one that stood out to me in this series was that with Gobert on the floor and his inability to catch and finish consistently around the basket unless it is a completely uncontested dunk, I'm worried that answer.

not going to be able to get to the point where he can consistently solve this type of defense. Because again, when you get into the postseason, it's not winning one round, it's not winning two. You got to win four rounds. In two months, you have to beat four different elite basketball teams four times out of seven. And so you might make it to the conference finals if you catch some favorable matchups. That's happened a lot over the years, right? Like that Laker team last year with LeBron's injured foot, they made the conference finals. I came into the season putting them beneath the top tier of contenders.

Why? Because I thought they were a conference finalist that clearly had a gaping hole in their perimeter athleticism, and I did not think they were good enough, unless they made some substantial trade this year, which they did it. That's exactly how I feel about this Minnesota Timberwolves team. You made it to the finals. Congratulations. You beat the defending champs. So did the Lakers last year. They beat the defending champs.

The difference is, For this particular team, you fought, or you faced Yusuf Nerkich and Nicole Yokic in those first two rounds. They did not have the personnel to keep Anthony Edwards out of the paint. And because of that, Anthony Edwards picked them pieces and looked like a bona fide top tier superstar for two rounds. And then they ran into real rim protection and perimeter athleticism with Dallas. one of the things that is just about guaranteed to happen when you have to beat four teams in two months. If you have to beat four teams, at least one,

if not two, maybe three, maybe four of them, are going to have perimeter athleticism and a guy who can protect the rim. There are a lot of those teams in the Western Conference. Guess what? Oklahoma City has Chad Holmgren. He'll be parking his ass in the paint the entire game. The Lakers have Anthony Davis.

He'll be parking his ass in the paint as much as he can over the course of the series. the Dallas Mavericks have Derek lively. There are rim protectors in that conference, and that problem is not going away. Like, next year when you get into that Western Conference playoff picture, chances are you'll have to face another one. And so, like, when I look at that,

the biggest thing that kind of screamed off the screen for me is you have to understand the strengths and weaknesses of your star. Anthony Edwards is a lot like the elite two guards that came before him, just like Kobe and MJ. Kobe and MJ over the course of their careers became good playmakers, but they never became that Magic Johnson, you know, LeBron James, Nicole Yokic, Luca Donchich, type of like surgical playmaker, right? So like, that's the reality for Anthony Edwards. His game is going to be predicated on pull-up shooting and the ability to get to the rim

in some moderate playmaking. That's going to be his game as he gets better. I think he could become an elite pull-up shooter. I think he could become one of the best pain attackers in the league. Do I think he's a guy who could average 10 assists for an NBA season? No. Luca can operate with non-shooters on the floor because he's that type of half-court manipulator. So I just think it's, when I look at this Minnesota roster build,

I don't think that Minnesota can win four players. off rounds with Rudy Gobert on the roster. It's just eventually they're going to run into a team where he's too much of a non-thread offensively. And look, I think the Gober Slander's gone off the rails in this postseason in the sense that like a lot of people are acting like he can't play. There's been calls for him to come off the bench. But like, he's still a top five, seven defender in the world. That's not the issue for me. He's still a net positive. It's just can't. you beat the best of the best with a non-shooter and a non-finisher like Rudy Gobert on your team?

And so I wonder if the future for Minnesota, if it looks more like a perimeter defense-focused team than an interior defense-focused team, you can counter a lack of rim protection with perimeter defense. That was a big part of what made Denver successful last year, right? Like just Aaron Gordon was unbelievable on Kevin Durant. He was unbelievable on LeBron James. he was unbelievable on Jimmy Butler. And that was enough for them to kind of contain, and with KCP out there,

enough for them to contain on the perimeter well enough, and Yokic was active with his hands, and they dominated the defensive glass. You can win without rim protection. Denver showed us that last year. It's rare. It's rare to win with that elite interior defense. But again,

Gobert specifically so weak offensively, that's very different than some of the rim protection that we've seen in years past from teams that win it, right? Brooke Lopez in 2021 can shoot the basketball, right? Dremont Green for the 22 Warriors is a good offensive player because of his ability to be a connective piece. And he can be, if Steph gets blitzed,

Dremon catches on the role and makes a play every single time. That's different. 2021, Brooke Lopez. 2020, it's Anthony freaking Davis, man. 2019, it's Mark Gassal or it's Serge Baca. Like, if you go back, it's, it's, you know, Kevin Durant and Dremont Green in 2018, 2017. 2016, it's Kevin Love. You know, 2015, it's Draymond Green again.

2014, it's Tim Duncan. 2013, it's Chris Bosch. You can't have a complete non-threat at center and win the title. I don't think it's possible. And, like, especially for a guy like Anthony Edwards, who's, game is predicated on applying rim pressure and Dallas was able to just shut the rim off from him in this series. I don't know what they do. Gobert is going to be a really difficult contract to trade. I almost think he has to play for an elite playmaker. He's going to have to be on that type of team.

I don't know if he can, I don't know if maybe it's like a, he'd be an interesting fit in the long run in a place like Indiana alongside Tyrese Halliburton. But it's going to have to, have to be alongside that level of playmaker in order for that fit to make sense. And so then I start to think, well, if Carl Anthony Towns is your full-time center at that point, you keep Nasrida as your backup center or you have a too big look if you want, then I'm looking for a power forward that can defend and shoot the hell out of the basketball. I'm looking for a better version of Kyle Anderson. They have to somehow try to turn Rudy Gobert into a much better version of Kyle Anderson.

Maybe they can get a Jeremy Grant. Maybe that's the kind of guy they can go after this summer. Because then if you have Jeremy Grant, Jada McDaniels, Anthony Edwards, Conley, Carl Anthony Towns with Nazaree off the bench to kill Alexander, walk off the bench, whatever it is, then you can defend on the perimeter and you have matchup versatility in the later rounds of the playoffs to be able to use Anthony Edwards' best trait consistently regardless of matchup. I just, that screamed off the screen for me all series. For all the good Gobert did, and Gobert had some really. real good moments. I just, I just Dallas,

Dallas every time they really needed to could slow down that Minnesota office. And so I think that's going to be a problem they're going to have to address. I doubt they will. I doubt they'll do anything. I bet you they run it back. But if they run it back,

just like, if all you have to do is pull up the Western Conference standings and go down the list and look at the rim protection. That's great that you manage to play Phoenix. And that's great that you manage to play Denver. but like Oklahoma City has Chet. You know, the Dallas Mavericks have Derek Lively.

The Lakers have Anthony Davis, even with the Golden State Warriors with Draymond Green. It's just, I don't know, I don't know how you can survive those types of matchups with Gobert on the floor offensively. All right, guys, that is all I have for tonight. As always, I sincerely appreciate you guys for supporting the show. Like I said, we got a mailbag coming out tomorrow.

After the mailbag, we'll get into, the series preview stuff starting next week on Monday. I want to talk a little bit more about Anthony Edwards, but we didn't get to it tonight, so we'll get into some Anthony Edwards stuff in the mailbag tomorrow. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.

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