The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hoops Tonight - MVP LeBron James leads Lakers over Pacers in NBA In-Season Tournament Final

Episode Date: December 10, 2023

Jason Timpf reacts to LeBron James, Anthony Davis and the Los Angeles Lakers defeating Tyrese Haliburton and the Indiana Pacers to win the first ever NBA In-Season Tournament. Jason discusses LeBron James winning the tournament MVP, the Lakers defense being the key to their playoff success, and Anthony Davis putting on one of the most dominant performances of his career. #volume #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Happy Saturday, everybody. Hope all of you guys are having an incredible weekend. So the Los Angeles Lakers are the NBA's first in-season tournament champion, and LeBron James is the NBA's first in-season tournament MVP. You're going to hit this game from a bunch of different angles. I want to talk some basketball off the top. Then we'll get into some of the big picture stuff, what it means for the Lakers, what it means for LeBron.

And then I have a take involving the actual in-season tournament itself and something I'd like to see them kind of tweak going into next year that could potentially make it even better. You guys know the drill before we get started. Subscribe to our brand new YouTube channel. It would mean a lot to me if you guys would scroll down and hit that subscribe button. Follow me on Twitter at underscore Jason LT so you guys don't miss any show announcements or the film threads that I do most mornings. And then last but not least, keep dropping mailbag questions in the YouTube comments so that we can keep hitting them throughout the rest of the season. All right, let's talk some basketball. So from a basketball perspective,

those of you guys who listened to the preview that me and the nerd sesh guys did yesterday, it more or less went exactly as I expected. The Lakers put Cam Reddish on Tyrese Halliburton to start the game, and then Jared Vanderbilt off the bench. They brought AD up to the level of the screen to be aggressive in pick and roll to basically get the ball out of his hands, and then it was athletes rotating on the backside, specifically LeBron operating as a low man where he can blow up.

plays up. Tyrus Halliburton didn't notch a single turnover against the Celtics, didn't notch a single turnover against the Milwaukee Bucks. And then his first turnover of this game was an aggressive Anthony Davis pick and roll coverage up at the level. The pocket pass to Miles Turner downhill and LeBron jumping that passing lane and getting in there. It's just, you know, I've said this many times on the show and I truly believe it. I know obviously this kind of thing is subjective and there are people that disagree and I don't have numbers to back it up because they have not been the best defense by defensive rating this year. But I truly believe that this Laker defense is the best defense in the league when

they're playing hard. And it's different than the 2020 year because the 2020 year was much better at the guard position. You know, Alex Crusoe and Gattavius Cullo Pope were just better guard defenders. But the, and then also Dwight Howard and Javille McGee were better shot blockers than Christian Wood and Jackson A. So it was a different type of defense. But one of the things that that team did not have was real wing athleticism.

Like Danny Green was a good player on that Laker team, but he was a little slow. That whole year he struggled with quicker guards. He was kind of more of like a big positional defender, right? And then Kyle Kuzma, same thing. He's six foot nine, but not super laterally quick. He wasn't like an outstanding screen navigator, and he was best in help defense positioning, right? This team has real wing athletes next to LeBron James and Anthony Davis. It's, again, it's skill guards in the back court very different than the KCP Alex Caruso mold.

But on the wing, it's Cam Reddish, Freak Athlete 6-8. Jared Vanderbilt Freak Athlete 6-9. You know, Rui Hachamura, freakath. Ruehachamura is more than that Kyle Kuzma group, right? But Tori and Prince, even, as a 6-8-8-6-8-8-league average athlete is a bigger, more athletic wing than anybody the Lakers had in that 20-20 season, not named LeBron James, right? And so, like, it's a different kind of defense than the 2020 defense, but it's impactful at a similar level. And the main reason why is just that combination of point-of-attack athleticism and then Anthony Davis on the back end. Now, one of the biggest questions coming into this season was, would the Lakers have good enough point-of-attack defense?

And honestly, like, Cameron has just been a revelation. He's been an absolute revelation at the point of attack. And I don't know. And we've seen this a few times throughout the history of the NBA, modern NBA history. where a lottery player ends up in a different situation and things go well. But this is bizarre because he's been in three other situations. Played with the Blazers, play with the Knicks, played with the Hawks. And this is the first team where you've seen his tools and his fit makes sense.

He's even been pretty good attacking closeouts. He's a big time three-point shot tonight. He had a big-time three-point shot against the Suns a few weeks ago. Like, he's, I don't know what else to say. I'm in a big picture. I think it's, I don't even want to get into that tonight. but is Cam Reddish the right answer for a team that has a chance to win a championship in the big picture? We'll talk about that later.

I'm not sure. But within the context of the regular season, he's been everything the Lakers need it. Because they lost Dennis Schroeder and they didn't have good point of attack defense to start the year. Jared Vanderbilt was out of the lineup. And then there was the big offensive question with Jared Vanderbilt, right? Even just in this small portion of this season that he's been playing, he struggled a little bit to finish when he's been given advantage situations on offense, right? and so Cam Reddish is just kind of giving them another option there. And then Max Christie, as every bit as impactful defensively as Cam Reddish can be a little bit less athletic, but a little bit more sharp offensively, a little bit better shooter, a little bit better attacking closeouts, right?

And so those two guys have taken what looked like a flaw in the roster, the point of attack position, and now it's like, okay, you play the Lakers tomorrow. Here's what's going to happen. You're the best perimeter initiator on your team. you're going to get Cam Reddish when Anthony Davis behind him and tons of athletes rotating on the backside like Tori and Prince and LeBron James, right? And then, oh, you made it through the first group. Here comes Max Christie. Here comes Jared Vanderbilt.

Here comes to Ri Hachamirits and more athletes. And so, again, the offensive questions for the Lakers are there and we'll see them bear out over the season. I'm more optimistic than most just based on what we've seen in crunch time and in this tournament as well. And a big piece of that is just how well Austin Reeves has been playing. and LeBron James just being a level better offensively than he was last year. But I want to give the Laker defense some credit because that combination of real wing

athleticism with what LeBron and Anthony Davis can do on the backside cleaning things up has made them dominant. And this was a team that the Pacers that put up 122 points on the Celtics. This was a team that put up 128 points on the Bucks and could not force Tyrese Aller into a turnover. Lakers held him to 109 and forced Halliburton. Now, Halliburton's insane. You guys know how high I am on him.

I literally think he's on an all-time great trajectory, right? 20 points and 11 assists tonight with three turnovers on just 14 shots, 8 to 14 from the field. So, like, they threw the kitchen sink at him, and he still put up a really good stat line, which just goes to show you how insanely good Tyrese Halliburton is. But this is where I would be remiss if I didn't talk about Anthony Davis, and the fact that he's anchoring behind all of that. Yes, the Lakers' point of attack defense has been a revelation this year or something. we did not expect and something that has made their defense better than we could have expected

them to be to this point in the season. That is true. But none of this happens without Anthony Davis. Now, over the course of the regular season, are there guys who try harder more consistently on a night-in, night-out basis? Yes. Are there guys that are more reliable from an injury perspective? Yes, although Anthony Davis has been on a good streak of health basically since the trade deadline last year, right? That said, when AD is locked in and engaged on the defensive end of the floor, There is nobody in this league that can reach his level defensively. He is the very best. That is why the second best defense in the league Boston could not do to Tyrese Halliburton

what the Lakers did to Tyrese Halliburton. I talk about this concept all the time, the idea of back-end rotations in disrupting at the point of attack. So if you blitz, if you put two to the ball, lots of teams do this, by the way. Almost everybody does it to the elite guards in the league, right? Especially when they start cooking you. Got to get the ball out of their hands at some point, right? Well, what happens is, is they'll put two to the ball.

Tyrese will make some quick pass, a quick feed on a pocket pass, or a skip pass or something like that, or a swing pass, and then it's a quick four on three, and it's boom, boom, lay up a three-point shot, right? What makes it difference is Anthony Davis, and his ability at the level of the screen, and in blitz situations, with high hands and low hands to disrupt that pocket pass and to disrupt that over-the-top pass. What ends up happening is that pocket pass is maybe thrown at an angle that's not great to wear the roll. the short roll man is, right? Or that over the top pass, instead of it being a rifle pass over the top,

it's more floating over the top, okay? But now, who's on the backside? It's Tori and Prince and LeBron James with the starters, right? It's Max Christie and Rui Hachamura with the bench guys, right? It's athletes on the backside. And so when Anthony Davis buys you time by making that pass difficult out of that blitz situation or showing high,

he makes it so that it's easy to rotate on the backside, at least given the athleticism that the Lakers have. And that was the strategy I expected from the Lakers to start, basically just rotating out on the backside, and it worked. Again, allow just 109 points in this game after they put up 122 on the Celtics and 128 on the bucks. Now, on the other end of the floor, the Lakers had a massive size advantage all over the floor, as we know, right?

There were two specific actions that were working that I thought was really interesting. So Aaron Neesmith was doing a really nice job on LeBron James with his ball pressure. So one of the things the Lakers did to counter that, give the ball to Austin Reeves. And then LeBron was setting on ball picks. And basically what was happening is the Pacers did not want to switch that action,

especially since for most of those bench group situations, it was a lot of like a T.J. McConnell there. And they didn't want to get T.J. McConnell on LeBron. So when he would set the screen on T.J. And they didn't switch, Austin's getting downhill. Why? Because Aaron Neesmith doesn't know how to play drop coverage. He doesn't know how to, he's just,

Carlisle is telling him to just bully LeBron all over the floor, right? So he's staying glued up to LeBron. And so, Austin Reeves started getting downhill and making plays, right? And then when they did switch, there were a couple of times where they switched, and LeBron just got a nice inside seal over the top pass, and he was able to score and make passes out of that, right? And so that Austin-Lebron two-man game was a great counter for the Lakers

against the Aaron Neesmith ball pressure, and then they were not switching the LeBron A.D. pick and roll with Miles Turner. And that was where you saw the lob pass and LeBron getting all the way down to the rim and finishing with his right hand. And that's a thing. Like you, the Pacers don't have the personnel because they don't have too big forwards to just switch that action. You can't put Aaron Neesmith on Anthony Davis, right, or LeBron on Miles Turner, right? So they had to run a traditional drop coverage.

And like we saw against the Phoenix Suns, whenever LeBron sees a drop coverage, he goes at it with Anthony Davis and pick and roll. Again, like, Laker fans are always talking like, why aren't the Lakers running more LeBron A.D. pick and roll. Why aren't they running more LeBron A.D. pick and roll. The vast majority of teams out there just switch that action. That's why they don't run it a lot. They usually have a center in the forward, and they live with the center on LeBron, and they live with the forward on Anthony Davis. And the Pacers just couldn't get away with doing that, and so LeBron was able to make plays

in pick and roll. And then late in the game, when they got Miles Turner and foul troubled, they ended up going to Anthony Davis in the post against Jackson, and he just started drawing fouls and getting to the foul line because Jackson can't guard him down there. And so the really smart offensive thought process from the Lakers taking advantage of what their advantages were. There were a lot of people on Twitter saying, like, why aren't the Lakers taking any threes? Now, in the big picture, I think the Lakers should take more threes, because it's just from the standpoint of math, something that could help their offense a little bit, right?

But it's matchup dependent. In a one-game sample size against the Indiana Pacers, when you get a trophy at the end of it, go to the damn paint, because that's where your advantage is. And so I loved that the Lakers didn't settle for threes. At the end of the game, they took a few, but like they made a few, I should say. I think Torium Prince made one and then Cam Reddish made one. But they weren't taking a lot of threes because that just wasn't the right offensive approach for that game. This is a team that was giving up like four, five, six inches on most of their,

most of their defensive matchups in this game. That was their advantage. They stuck to it. That's how they won. I think that, again, just kind of looking at the Lakers first, like that to me is what their identity is, and this is something I've been preaching about all year. Don't worry about trading for Derozen. Don't worry about trading for Zach Levine.

trade for, if you're going to make a trade, go after a starter caliber two-way player, basically an upgraded version of a Cam Reddish or an upgraded version of a Torium Prince so that you can slot everybody a little bit better, so you're better in a playoff series. Because again, you know, there are going to be teams that are going to dare, that are going to be able to contain L.A. a little bit better on both on the, when they're on offense, and they're going to do so by ignoring Cam Reddish, by ignoring Jared Vanderbilt, right? Like a team like the Nuggets, they live with Anthony Davis on an island against Yolkich. They live with LeBron James on an island against Aaron Gordon. And so, again,

it's better for me in my, for the Lakers, in my opinion, to lean into what they're best at. This team's identity, in my opinion, is they are the best defensive team of the contenders, right? Like the Bucks, it's like Damianus pick and roll, good luck, right? The Nuggets, it's this incredible five-man offense, right? And then they defend at a high level as well. You know, the Celtics, it's driving kick basketball, and they do a ton of switch. on defense and they can be an elite perimeter defense, right? Like every team kind of has their identity. The Lakers are world beating defense.

Like, all-time great defense. That's their identity. Like, we're just going to mall you physically with our incredible defensive potential. And on the other end of the floor, we're going to pick you apart with a bunch of really smart basketball players. And so, again, I think this tournament is a great sign for the Lakers of what specifically they need to do to reach their ultimate goal, which is to get the Larry O'Brien trophy. Defense, defense, defense. That's how they win. Don't try to be the bucks.

Trading for Zach Levine, if you want to go get into a scoring contest with some of these teams that are at the top of the West and East, you're going to lose those scoring contests because you're just not as good at it as they are. But if you try to be better on defense than everybody by a wide margin, that's your best pathway to get the trophy. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashed. Others say it's unleashed. Leaching Human Potential. Either way, the podcast, Superhuman, documented it all,

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podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Anthony Davis, the other thing, too, I talk a lot about him on the defensive end of the floor, as we've done so far in the show. But when he brings it offensively the way that he did tonight, and again, it's just being physically aggressive in the post, running the floor on offense for opportunities, rolling hard to the rim, obviously the advantages the Pacers presented to him in this game were important, right? Hit a little step-back jump shot early in the game as well. But him dominating down there on the block, that is the difference between the AD that

could be the sixth or seventh best player in the league, and the AD that can be the second or third best player in the league. If he wants to enter into that conversation, offensive consistency is the gap there. But like, when it comes to his ceiling, his ceiling is as high as anybody in the league, because it's best defensive player in the world, and he can give you 40 points if he's got physical advantages in the post. And that's just what makes him such an incredibly dominant player. He played one of the better individual games that I've seen in a long time tonight, what he'd 40-something and 20-something, just unbelievable from Anthony Davis. Austin Reeves, 28 tonight, averaged 22 points per game in this tournament, 20 in the first game.

17 in the second game, obviously lower in large part because they beat the living shit out of the pelicans, right? But once again, chips down big games, high stakes environment, Austin Reeves comes through for you again. And I'm just so happy for Austin because I literally could not believe how like a significant portion of Laker fans were like off of the Austin Reeves bandwagon after like 15 bad regular season games. Like completely unfathomable to me. Unfathomable to me. I just didn't understand it. And so once again, again, he was a huge factor in the Laker offensive success tonight with the two-man game with LeBron like we talked about earlier.

Just shout out to Austin Reeves. That dude is a big-time player. And LeBron James, winning the MVP, obviously tonight was a little different. He was getting heavy ball pressure from Aaron Neesmith, who's done a really good job all week. That he made a bunch of really smart plays in this game to take advantage of the downhill opportunities that were there. and then he started making plays out of the post with the pass as well. I thought he was magnificent in this entire tournament, and I thought he deserved to win the MVP in the big picture,

because this is going to lead all the shows, right, tomorrow. What does this in-season tournament championship and MVP mean for LeBron James' legacy, right? Like that's what we're going to see all over the shows, right? And this is really all I have to say about it. It's not going to change anybody's mind. there's no anti-Lebron guy that's going to be like, oh, in-season tournament, he's my goat now, right? And in the big picture of what the in-season tournament means as an accomplishment is hard to tell now because this is the first one. We don't have a point of reference, right?

Now, 20 years from now, it might be different, and you might look at it as more of a counting accomplishment, right? So it's hard to say what it means for his legacy in terms of the court of public opinion. Here's what it says to me, though. this dude is a winner. He always has been. It's been one of the most under-discussed things about his personality just because he's jovial and has fun while he's on the court. And some people just can't process that

because it's not Mamba mentality, assassin behavior, right? But like, here's the thing. All 30 teams could have got that trophy. LeBron wanted it and he went and got it. And that to me is one of the things that I've always loved about LeBron and one of the reasons why I've been such a big fan of him over the years. Like when push comes to shove is the dude a performer, yes, which by the way is a positive. When you're the face of the NBA, embrace the fact that you're putting on a show, right?

Like has LeBron been a little bit more jovial and a little bit more passive at the end of games than Kobe Bryant or some of the other guys throughout NBA history? Sure. But when push comes to shove, this dude puts winning basketball games at the very top of his list of priorities. and in this era there has not been a single player better at it than him. And arguably in NBA history, he's the best at it. When you're listing LeBron's traits, the first trait on that list is wins basketball games, finds a way to win basketball games. And like, I think his obsessive competitive nature and the simple fact that he wanted this

trophy and went to get it was an encapsulation of everything that's made LeBron who he is in his career. He won the trophy tonight because he's the same type of dude who won four Larry O'Brien trophies. It's a continuation of that personality trait. And so, like, again, it's not going to swing anybody's opinion. But for me as a fan, I just had a faith that he was going to pull it off because, like, it's LeBron James, man.

Four-time NBA champion LeBron James. a guy that just a guy that when he sees that goal and he has an opportunity to get it, there's literally nobody in this era that can stop him from getting to that point. Right? And I just, shout out to LeBron, man. Because, like, again, it's not going to go down with his accomplishments in terms of what he's done in June. But I can just tell you, as a fan, watching him in this tournament was really fun. because like he just he just he just fucking wanted it man he just he just wanted it and he went and got it

and played incredible doing it his game against the pelicans what i we didn't even see this in time for our uh uh instant reaction that night but 30 points five rebounds and five assists in less than 23 minutes first time in NBA history it was one of the most incredible individual performances we've ever seen and then ad followed it up with one of the most incredible individual performances we've ever seen tonight so shout out to lebron again And I just, I can't believe he's still doing this. And obviously, the Larry O'Brien is what he's truly after. But I thought it was cool that he, I think this was great for the NBA,

simply from the standpoint of him adding legitimacy to it. Because if LeBron James, a four-time NBA champion 39 years old, was like, I want that trophy, that's going to set a tone year and in year. route that's going to get everybody to want that trophy. And I think it was the best possible thing that could happen for the Lakers. Last take before we get out of here on the in-season tournament, I loved it. One thing I would say, though, is I would push it from four pool play games up to six. I don't know if they need to kind of move around the way the actual pools worked. But I think ideally, the single elimination, you want to make it so that it's easier for the better teams in

the league to get in, right? Like, you want to see the Denver Nuggets in that tournament, right? Like, you want to see the best teams in the league get into that tournament. Now, a lot of them were, right? The Lakers, in my top tier contenders, I had the Celtics were in it, the Bucks were in it, and the Lakers were in it, and the Sons were in it. So, four of my preseason top six contenders were in it, and the two that didn't get in were the Warriors in the Nuggets, right? But even like Minnesota not getting in because of an in-season tournament loss, right? Like, you. If you push it to six, a couple things.

Like I think next year the teams are going to really see the importance of each individual pool play game and understand like, oh shit, you can go three and one and not get in. Right. And they'll take it more seriously. But I think if you push it from four to six, it just makes it a little bit more likely for a team to be able to weather like a, hey, Jamal Murray missed a game because of a hammy and we were still able to get into the tournament. And now Jamal's healthy and we're playing single elimination games, right?

So, like, that'd be the one tweak I'd make, but other than that, I thought it was amazing, simply because it gave us something different in the middle of the regular season. Instead of just going October, November, December, January, February, okay, brief break for trade deadline. This is cool. Some stuff happened. March, April. Okay, now we're finally in the playoffs. Instead, now it's like October, November.

Oh, in season tournament. And then it's like January, February. Oh, now we're, like, it kind of breaks up the monotony of the regular season, which I think served a really cool purpose within this season. All right, guys. That is all I have for the rest of this weekend. I will see you on Monday for power rankings. And then we have Yovon Buha from The Athletic to come on to do a Lakers deep dive like we usually have once every other week. Then Tuesday next week we've got Chris Mannix coming on to do a Celtics deep dive.

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