The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hoops Tonight - NBA Draft Reaction: How the Warriors, Lakers, and Mavericks all got better

Episode Date: June 24, 2023

Jason Timpf reacts to the Golden State Warriors adding another shooter to go along with Steph Curry and Klay Thompson in Brandin Podziemski. He also breaks down the Lakers drafting guard Jalen Hood-Schifino out of Indiana to team up with Lebron James and Anthony Davis, and why Luka Doncic and the Dallas Mavericks may have found their big man of the future in Duke’s Dereck Lively II. #volume #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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guys know, I don't have the time to hit on every single draft prospect, but I did target four in particular for some of our high profile teams, and specifically guys that are going to need to play a lot next. year for teams that have high expectations. For the Los Angeles Lakers, I've Jalen Hood, Chafino, and Maxwell Lewis for the Golden State Warriors, Brandon Podziamski. And last but not least, for the Dallas Mavericks, the number one high school recruit from 2022, a center who played sparingly for Duke, Mr. Derek lively, is going to be a center and a very important piece for a Dallas Mavericks team that desperately needs playable role

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and most of Lonzo's issues were related to health. I actually thought he was a very, very good player when he was healthy. But the Lakers Scouting Department does a really, really good job. And so I'm excited to dive into these two picks, and I liked both of them a lot after diving further into it. So Jaylon Hoochafino is your textbook pull-up shooting guard. And remember, pull-up. up shooting is a specific weakness for the Lakers, and I think that's a big part of why they targeted him in particular. He's very big compared to most ball handling guards. He's 6.4.25 without shoes, so he's a little over 6.5 with shoes. Massive wingspan, 610 and a quarter. He weighs about 217 pounds. That's very big for a guard his size. So he's big and strong. To give you guys a comparison,

Bruce Brown, who obviously wasn't a ball handling guard. Well, he did bring the ball up the floor, but wasn't like a, you know, a guy that would spam ball screens. But to give you an idea of size, after you just watched the NBA finals, Bruce Brown is 6.3 and a half without shoes and has a 6-9 wing span, weighed 187 in college and is up to 202 now. So he's basically a slightly bigger version of Bruce Brown in terms of his physical profile, although he is not the same type of athlete that Bruce Brown is. He's not nearly as explosive.

At Indiana, averaged 14, 4 and 4 on 42% from the field, 33% from 3. 78% from the line. Again, as a freshman, so he's playing against older players often and in a pretty high usage role, surprisingly. What I'm going to do is I'm going to go over some of his play type data from Synergy and then tell you what I saw on film. So Indiana scored 302 points on 366 Jalen pick and rolls, including passes. He almost always ran his pick and rolls from the middle of the floor, and he almost always used the screens. He doesn't reject picks off, and that's something that I'd like to see him do a little bit more in the NBA. Almost always takes a pull-up jumper, about 50% of the time

when he comes off of the pick, he takes a pull-up jump shot. He shot 41% on pull-up jump shots last year, 46% when you wait it for three. So 46% in effective field goal percentage. Those are really good numbers for a young guard. Tons of young guards are super inefficient on pull-up jump shots, and they take them and they look good every once in a while, but they miss a ton.

Jalen Richavino, I actually did a really nice job, knocking down pull-up jump shots last season. Got a really good floater as well, 41% on floaters. Has a good mix of them as well. Like you take the traditional floaters that you see everyone else take, but he can also take these sweeping floaters as he's going lateral from the rim. You can make those as well. On tape, I was really impressed with his handle.

I thought he had good control of the basketball. Does a good job protecting the basketball too by turning his back. Obviously, still amounted a few turnovers. as you expect from young guards, that'll go away as he gets better at managing ball pressure with more reps, especially in the NBA. Very methodical in pick and roll. Play slow, slowly works to his spots, which is the way you should play when you're a below average athlete who has good physical tools.

He's big and strong, not the most explosive dude in the world. That has turned him into a slow and methodical ball screen operator. He does a good job of not kind of pre-selecting or predetermining his moves. He just kind of makes reads. he doesn't try to go hunt his shot. He just tries to create the advantage for his offense. And that's where I think he's at his best. Particularly in that tournament game against Miami,

they were trapping him and blitzing him on a lot of pick and rolls. Didn't try to do too much, just kind of pulled away and used his height in his long arms to dump the ball over the top to the big man. Every single time the screen defender engages with him, he just gets rid of the basketball. Whether it's a pocket pass to the roll man or that over-the-top pass and it blitz, very good at getting.

rid of the basketball to the role man. Struggles a little bit with cross-court reads to the weak side corner. He's a little slow to see it and a little inaccurate, but that'll come in time. And he's got big enough hands and long enough arms that I actually think he's going to be really good at that in the long run. It does take a lot of jump shots in the mid-range and a lot of floaters, but he makes him at a good percentage. He's just your textbook big guard that can make plays off the bounce. With this Laker team that likes to use LeBron James and Anthony Davis as screeners a lot, they need guards who can run ball screens. And I don't think they're going to bring back Lonnie Walker.

It remains to be seen if they can bring back Dennis Schroeder. If he stays on a minimum, I'm sure the Lakers would love to have him back. But Dennis played really well last year. So there's a good chance that he gets a mid-level exception deal this year. That means that it's going to be Austin and DiAngelo Russell in the back court to start and then off the bench, like maybe Malik Beasley, if they even keep him. They could use him as trade ballast as well. So it depends to see, it depends on what the Lakers.

do this offseason in terms of bringing in guards. I wouldn't be surprised if they brought in a one or two veteran minimum level guards. But Jalen Hoochafino is going to have a really good opportunity to earn that backup shot creator role and play off of the Lakers bench. A couple of the play types. He was only 0.72 points per possession and spot-up situations. He shot much, much better on pull-up jumpers than catch-and- shoot jumpers. He shot 41% on pull-up jump shots, 31% on catch-and- shoot jump shots.

30% when he was unguarded. Now, this is somewhat common because it has a lot to do with the way his role is structured. So, for instance, he took 196 pull-up jump shots last year with Indiana, only 64 catch-and-chute jump shots. So the ball's just always in his hands. And so there's a different rhythm and flow to shooting off the dribble than there is off the catch. And when you're constantly taking all of your shots off of the dribble, sometimes your catch-and-shoots

off of the dribble, sometimes your catch-and-shoot situation just feels a little clunky to you because it's a completely different type of shot. But he's got really good touch, as you see on his floater, as you see on his pull-up jump-shooting percentage, as you see on his free throws. He's 78% from free throws, which is solid. So my thing is I tend to think that as a catch-and-shoot player, he will get much, much better once he learns to construct a muscle memory that he can depend on in those situations so that he can utilize the great touch that he has when he's catching and shooting.

Not only that, in spot-up situations, he's got such a good handle. and as a gifted playmaker, and he's got good size, that he should be great attacking closeouts, which is something he didn't do very well last year. So I think he'll be better at that in the long run, but that's definitely a weakness for him right now is spot-up situations. But again, if he's coming off the bench for the Lakers as a primary ball handler, it'll be more important for him to be able to make plays in pick and roll.

He had 19 points on 16 ISOs and shot 50% in those situations, but that's really low volume, so not too much to take away there. shot just 53% at the rim. On tape, which stood out to me, took a lot of really difficult shots at the rim trying to draw fouls, you know, just throwing shit up and falling on the floor. That's going to hurt your percentages.

Obviously not the most gifted athlete in the world, so a lot of times he's shooting over the top of people instead of just going through them or around them. On defense, not overly quick, but he does have really long arms, which helps. Gifted in help situations at kind of digging down and grabbing at the basketball and recovering. in the Miami game and the tournament, rough defensive game for him,

really struggled containing the Miami guards, was getting beat off the dribble a lot, was struggling, navigating over screens. But he did have better stretches of on-ball defense during the regular season. And on film, a lot of it was just bad technique, like reaching in instead of staying solid, giving up the driving lane. Or on the screen, instead of prepping to step over the top, just kind of walking headlong into it because he's not doing his prep.

So a lot of stuff that I think he can get better at. I think he's really good tools. And so he could certainly become a switchable guard that can guard bigger wings because he's got good size and the length to bother ball handlers at the point of attack. But he's going to need to work on some of his technique stuff and some of his foot speed stuff to succeed in the NBA, especially as we all know,

NBA teams are going to spam, pick, and roll with really good guards. Overall, I like to pick. I think it fills a specific need. They needed a backup guard that can run ball screens. The Lakers are actually pretty deep at Ford right now with Ruehachamura, Jared Vanderbilt, LeBron James and Anthony Davis. He also played with a really gifted role man at Indiana with Tracy Jackson Davis

and did a good job of utilizing him and getting him the basketball. So that's a decent fit with Anthony Davis. Whether or not he gets significant rotation minutes is going to come down to the types of players that the Lakers can get in free agency for the minimum and what he can contribute on the defensive end. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.

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by trading their pick and some cash. He's a textbook scoring forward. He's 6-6-and-a-quarter without shoes, 7-foot wingspan, so super-long arms, 207 pounds. Little Finn, not bad, though. Sophomore year Pepperdine, 17.6 rebounds and three assists, 47% from the field, 35% from 3, 79% from the line.

To me, he's your textbook tip of the spear scoring forward. So he's not the guy that's going to attack his set defense and consistently create great shots. But if guards can consistently set him up with close-out opportunities and mismatches, he's going to be able to score there. Because when the defender is coming at him or out of position, he's really good at playing that leverage game, getting them to lean one way and go the other. Or if he has a size advantage,

using his body with his back turn to get closer to the basket. And he is awesome at finishing plays when he is set up. He's a deadly spot-up shooter, 63% effective field goal percentage in catch-and-shoots situations, 83% effective field-go percentage in unguarded catch-and-shoots situation. So deadly when he is catching the ball in the perimeter in shooting threes. Teams treat him like a catch-and-shoot guy who's deadly, so they close out super hard. And that's where I was most impressed with Max.

He's really good at identifying the angle the guy's closing out at and just quick ripping. So like, if the dude's closing out at his left shoulder, he's not going to pump fake or wait. He's just going to rip right on the catch or the other way. If he does have an opportunity to bait the guy into leaving his feet because he's further away, then he can utilize the pump fake. I actually posted a clip of one of his pump and rip dunks during a game this season. You can find that on my Twitter feed. really, really impressive play. Multiple counter moves.

Again, not going to break you down off the dribble in a set situation, but when he makes, let's say that a guy closed out to his left shoulder and he rips through, but the guy like recovers and beats him to the spot, he's going to spin back or hit behind the back dribble to get back to the left to get all the way to the rim. He's always got a counter move ready, specifically turning his back to the basket and using his size as an advantage. And he's really good at shooting when he's got his back turn to the basket. He's 55% on hook shot.

63% at the rim. Had a lot of high-flying dunks this year's got really good physical tools to get up over the rim. He also was a very successful post player, especially against mismatches. He scored 76 points on 74 post-ups, including passes, which is awesome at the college level. Really patient just kind of keeps that dribble alive when guys are digging at him and kind of waits for guys to go home. And once things kind of clear up, then he just hits it to the, to the side to try to get to the rim. So again, in a back-to-back situation,

guys guarding me back-to-back, the easiest way sometimes is just to go around him. And so he'll make a lateral move quick and try to get to the other side of the rim, finishes there really well. That'll be an interesting thing for the Lakers to build out over the years, especially with Phil Handy.

I saw a lot of people on Twitter comparing him to Trey Murphy, and I actually really, really like that comp because he's like the 3-&D guy, but with real scoring chops. But remember, with Trey Murphy, the defensive end ended up being the issue for him primarily. He's got great tools, but his instincts and his foot speed ended up being an issue. That's going to be the big thing for Max.

Is he going to be able to be playable defensively? Because he's not super quick, but he does have great tools. So a lot of it's going to come down to his basketball IQ on the defensive end of the floor. Overall, good forward depth for the Lakers, especially for future seasons. Or in the case that the Lakers have to move one of Rui or Vando in a trade. So really good draft for the Lakers once again, at least from what I can tell up front. Obviously, time will tell as the guys play in the league, but I like both of these guys. Moving on to the Warriors, Brandon Podzamsky.

Textbook Lefty scoring guard. A little bit undersized, 6.3 and 3 quarters without shoes, short arms, 6, 5.5 wing span. Ways 204 pounds, those, so he's built pretty well for his size. Didn't play much at Illinois, then transferred to Santa Clara and was awesome. Last year at Santa Clara, he averaged 20 points, nine rebounds. How about that? And four assists. Shot 48% from the field,

44% from 3, 77% from the line. 2.3 stocks per game. A lot of steals. I think he was 1.1.8 steals per game. They were doing a lot of pressing, and he was really active in the press getting steals for quick runout dunks and things like that.

Play type data. Awesome shooter. 1.11 points per possession and spot-up situations. Deadly knocking down shots and attacking closeouts. 66% effective field goal percentage on catch-and-shoe jumpers.

84% effective field goal percentage on unguarded catch-and-shoothed jumpers. So just a deadly shooter. Very good off the dribble. 40% on pull-up jump shots. 53% effective field goal percentage on pull-up jump shots. And a good short game. 45% on floaters, 67% on hook shots. Was a good pick-and-roll shot creator, 0.89 points per possession, which is good for that level.

Face super aggressive coverages, too. Teams were picking them up as soon as he passed half court. The screen is all the way up at the level of the screen constantly. he's getting bracketed, had to work really hard to set up his man for ball screen. So he faced pretty intense defense throughout the season and still did really well. Just an outstanding passer just makes these un- there was this one where he threw a lob where he was going towards his left. And he threw a hook lob from below his waist that was right on target above the rim for their big man to grab it and dunk it. It makes a lot of really impressive passes in pick and roll.

And is a great shot creator. He shot 50% effective field goal percentage when shooting out of pick-and-roll. A lot of like janky stuff, funky-looking shots, a lot of like step-through floaters and weird-looking high-arcing shots, but they just tend to go in, as you can see, in the numbers. I actually think he's going to be a really good fit in the Warriors motion offense. Why? He's awesome in spot-up situations. He had a 52% effective field goal percentage coming off of screens, and he had a 54% effective field goal percentage coming off of dribble handoffs,

in addition to all the stuff I was talking about and pick and roll. So, again, he's another one of those guys, kind of like the Tyler Harrow mold, where he's really good when he gets separation naturally as part of the coverage, which is something I think he's going to get a lot in the Warriors' motion offense. So I really like the fit offensively. The defensive end is going to be the issue. He's not overly tall, his short arms, very athletic, but he's not a good point of attack defender. So he's vertically athletic, not laterally athletic.

But he is an outstanding rebounder. I grabbed nine rebounds per game last year, which is amazing. Think about kind of like what Dante DiVincenzo did for the Warriors last year. just kind of a super aggressive rebounder, especially on the offensive end. Dante's a better athlete, but not as good of a shooter. And Dante was definitely a better defensive player, good quick feet, and was a good ball pressure guard for the Warriors. So I expect Dante to opt out.

There's a lot of interest specifically from the New York Knicks from what I've been hearing, a reading, I should say. So honestly, like if he can defend well enough, he can take that role. rotation spot, but that's the same thing I'm going to say about everybody else on this list. All four of these guys, again, this is something to keep in mind. Like, young players don't win in the NBA. Michael Porter Jr. was the only guy below the age of 25 who played over 100 minutes in the NBA finals, and he also was the guy who played the worst.

Typically speaking, especially when you get to late playoff rounds, it's grown men that win in play in playoff games. And so none of these guys are going to play much in all likelihood. And if they do play, like a Christian Braun, it's going to be because they can defend. and their coach trusts them in those situations. So again, I like to pick great offensive fit, whether or not he ends up being a useful player is going to come down to the defensive end.

And Steve Kerr in particular is already not super high in playing young guys. For the Mavericks, Derek Lively, this was the number one prospect in the 2022 class out of high school, according to ESPN's College Basketball Recruiting Service. He's a center 7-1-7-7-wing span, 215 pounds, very thin. Only played 21 minutes per game at Duke. Average 5 points, 5 rebounds, and one assist per game.

Shot 66% from the field. Did average 2.4 blocks per game and had an 8-block game at one point during the season. So some real rim protection stuff there. He was an awesome role man. He shot 24 for 28 on role man possessions this year with Duke just caught everything and dunked everything. Legit vertical spacing threat, easy target above the rim. That's going to be a great fit with Luca Dantzich and Kairi Irving. But this pick is all about rim protection.

According to Synergy, players shot just 39.5% at the rim against Lively, which is the 83rd percentile, so that's very good. Super mobile defender in pick and roll. Very good at getting up to the level of the screen to dissuade the pull of jump shot, sprinting back into the picture to contain at the rim. Has a really good recovery athleticism when he's out of position. A lot of like really impressive blocks on tape where you're like, you feel like he's completely buried or completely out of position yet somehow gets back there and makes a play.

I thought he played with really good motor. It wasn't like he was lumbering around on defense. I thought he was moving around and playing hard. He does struggle a bit with bigger post players. There was this big center for NC State that was just barbecuing his ass with his big kind of like chubby guy. Just barbecuing his ass with like quick pivots and getting him out of position with like a chicken wing to get all the way to the basket.

I do really like this pick though. Do you guys remember the Brooklyn Nets team from last year that was really good before Kyrie Irving blew it up with a trade request? and they had won like something crazy, like 25 out of 27 games or something like that. Nick Claxton was a big part of that, just a skinny, lanky, hyperathletic rim protector that could be kind of the baseline for their defense. And this guy has the opportunity, Derek has the opportunity to be that type of a foundational rim protector for this Dallas team. He needs to improve in a bunch of areas.

It needs to improve in free throw shooting. needs to bulk up a little bit. But I do think he could be the foundation of a credible defense next season. So Derek lively for the Dallas Mavericks, I really liked that pick as well. We're going to do a mailbag episode next week on Wednesday. And maybe I'll take one or two other prospects

if I get enough people asking about it. I'll hit a couple more prospects during the mailbag episode next week. Also, I'll tweet out a tweet asking for questions as well, but anything you guys want to talk about next Wednesday, I don't care if it has nothing to do with basketball. Drop it in the comments under this video, and we'll be doing that mailbag episode next Wednesday. As always, I sincerely appreciate you guys.

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