The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hoops Tonight - NBA Mailbag: Issues w/ NBA Media, KD's Next Team, Celtics All-Time Greats?

Episode Date: March 5, 2025

Jason Timpf answers NBA mailbag questions from fans on topics ranging from Los Angeles Lakers superstar LeBron James' tweets about NBA media coverage and the face of the league debate, whether Jayson Tatum and the Boston Celtics are an all-time great team, where Kevin Durant should go next if he leaves the Phoenix Suns, who the most unguardable players in the league are, and more. Timeline 4:00 - Start 5:00 - LeBron's comments 14:30 - Should Lakers add Stanley Johnson 16:00 - Celtics in big moments 27:30 - Young player development 31:00 - Kevin Durant's best destination #Volume #Herd Follow Jason Timpf on social: https://twitter.com/_JasonLT https://www.instagram.com/jtimpf15/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Happy Tuesday, everybody. I hope all of you guys are having a great week. We, as promised, are going to get into a mailbag today. Lots of interesting questions from you guys. But before we get into the questions, I want to give some thoughts off the top about the state of NBA media and the comments from LeBron James the other day after his kind of back and forth that he was having with the press,

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Don't forget about our new social media feeds on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. We're releasing content throughout the year. Last but not least, keep dropping mail, bad questions so we can hit them throughout the remainder of the season. All right, let's talk some basketball. So I've talked about this concept a lot. It's a really difficult dynamic that the media and the players have. I've thought about this a lot because I imagine what it would be like. Like if I was playing in the NBA and I was working my butt off behind the scenes

and doing everything I could be the best basketball player I could be. And I had some dude in his guest bedroom with a bunch of stuff on the shelves behind him who's not an NBA player. who is telling me what I'm doing wrong. And I get that that leads to a visceral response. There's a certain amount of this dynamic that is unavoidably weird. And I've always wanted to, like, sit with an NBA player and just ask him about it. And I haven't really had the chance yet.

The one interview I did was with Jaime Hawkes and it was a short form interview and we were focused on some other stuff. I didn't really get a chance to get into it. And who knows, maybe one day I'll have that opportunity. but like it's an interesting dynamic. And I understand and sympathize with that kind of instinctual revulsion that so many of these players have towards the NBA media. I think it's complicated because one of the things that specifically frustrates me

is this idea that it has a lot to do with guys like me who are not NBA players when I'm watching NBA media and the vast majority of the negativity comes from former players. like it feels to me like the shitting on the NBA and the current players comes from the guys on inside the NBA. Not just that, but all of these player pods. It feels like every single week, every single day, I'm scrolling through Twitter and it's like Gilbert Arena said this or like this other guy said that or, you know, Chandler Parsons said this.

And it's like another NBA player relatively recently retired. who's just openly shitting on an NBA player. And sometimes I'm looking at it and I'm like, that's not even true. You know what I mean? Like I saw a dude the other day talking about how like LeBron James has struggled with shot making his entire career. I'm like,

the guy who's the all time leading score is the guy that you think struggles to make shots? Like what are we even talking about here? And I think it leads to a, there's a weird dynamic with former players too. We're like, they're already accomplished and they've done so many amazing things for the game of basketball and their media career is kind of like just another like appendage on the back of it, but it's not something that was their fiery passion from day one, like so many of the media

professionals you meet out there. And so as a result, there's a lot of like that kind of surface level insulting coverage of the league that you see. And like it's it's kind of a reality because those guys would be the guys who would be best equipped to teach people about the game. But like, I get how if they just spent 20 years. devoting their entire life for an obscene amount of time to the game, that they might want to take an easier approach in their post-career media experience. Right? Like, I understand all of that.

I get it. It's complicated. But even among non-MBA players, I see irrational criticism. I see stuff that I think goes too far. I'm not sitting here and saying that I think it's perfect. I was thankful for the way LeBron phrased his, response in that thread of tweets where he talked about how it is important for us to break down and discuss when players fail. This is a dynamic I talk about a lot on this show.

If I came on every day and all I ever did was just tell you about how great and amazing every NBA player is, it is propaganda. Even further than that, it's not reality. What are sports? sports are nasty, competitive, physical, violent. It's about a pursuit of winning. In sports, you're trying to step on your opponent's neck to get where you're wanting to go. It is inherently nasty. And guess what?

There's a winner, but there's always a loser. And discussing how a team wins or how a team loses forces you to discuss weaknesses, forces you to discuss flaws and mistakes. And so, like, I think it's a very important part of this profession to also balance your praise with a certain amount of criticism. I think it's inherent. And so it's this dynamic that's unavoidable

because I totally sympathize with the players who are doing all of the work and are actually playing basketball at the highest level. These are the very best people in the entire 8 billion person world. at their profession being criticized by people that are not even in the same stratosphere as them. I get it. But it is unavoidable because of the realities of the profession. My approach to it, and this is just my feeling on it, is like LeBron said, break it down. If you have an issue with a player or a weakness with a team that you want to discuss, explain why. If you make your case, then I think it's all part of the larger process of how we

all process the game and as we're all trying to learn about players and learn about teams, that I think makes sense. Where it becomes a problem, and I'm not even saying that I've made this mistake over the years. I remember when Russell Westbrook was on the Lakers. I had a day, like, dude, I was so frustrated with him. And I was younger, you know, it was three years ago. But like I had a day where I came on the show and I said, Russell Westbrook sucks. I said it in the context of his frustration with the fans and I was explaining why the fans feel the way they feel.

It was wrong. I came on the next day and I apologize. That's not the kind of guy I want to be. Russell Westbrook doesn't suck. He's one of the very best basketball players to ever grace the earth. And I'm a fan. That's the crazier part too. I'm a fan of his from his younger phase of his career when he was a star. And I just got worked up and I got a little too emotional and I said something I wish I wouldn't have said. And I'm not expecting perfection from anybody. That's part of the profession. If you're going to talk for a living, you're going to say stupid. it's not the first time I said something stupid it won't be the last time I say something stupid. But as a goal for all of us and as a goal for myself, I just want to, if I'm going to be critical of a player, make sure that it's based in evidence in something that I can defend. I want to be able to, if I'm saying Bradley Beale is really struggling off ball, both as a rebounder and as a help side defender, I want to make sure that I've watched the film and I have a clear feeling in my head based on my pursuit of evidence that what I'm saying is based in reality. That doesn't mean it's perfect. There are disagreements, right?

One of the most common things I find when I'm talking with MBA personalities is like, this guy thinks so-and-so is a good defender and I think he's a bad defender. This guy thinks so-and-so is a reliable playoff performer. I, you know, I disagree. Whatever it is. Like, a lot of this is subjective. but if you're at least putting in the work and you're making an evidence-based case, I think criticism is good. It's part of how we learn about the game.

You want to understand why this team is struggling to do this? It's important for us to dive into why. Helps all of us learn, and it's just the reality of sports. Sports is nasty. Sports is competitive. Sports is not just like a big love fest. That's not what it is. It's mean.

Guys talk shit. There's cheap shots. There's blood, sweat, tears. It's complicated. So, like, I think we all embrace that. But as it comes to our coverage of the game, I think it's important that criticism is based in evidence and not just, like, slanderous.

And it is one of the funny things I see because, like, it does kind of, like, grayed at me a little bit. The way that it's portrayed as, like, an issue that can be solved by just getting certain types of people into the profession. The types of people, has nothing to do with whether or not you played the game. I played the game. I played in college. I have a lot of playing experience. That's not why this show is what it is. The show is what it is because I love basketball and because I put in the work behind the scenes. And yeah, my playing

experience is something I relate to sometimes. And I might drop a reference in there based on my experience playing the game that helps to a certain extent. I've met people that never pick up a basketball that are brilliant basketball minds that I learn every day from. And I've sat across from dudes that I play basketball with every day that are very good basketball players that I'm talking about an NBA team. And I'm like, dude, I just don't agree with you. Like that to me that I think the gatekeeping surrounding NBA media about the idea that you need to have like a certain amount of basketball experience is foolishness.

I think that it's about a love and a respect for the game that will manifest in hard work that will lead to quality educational content and entertaining content for all of us. All right, let's get to our mailback questions. Could Stanley Johnson help the Lakers in this difficult stretch? With Rui's injury, the Lakers' wing rotation is pretty shallow. If they wave reddish and sign Goodwin,

which is expected at this point, they could sign Stanley to a two-way to give them a couple of shifts per game. They could also check his fit with the team for a potential minimum contract next season. Loving the coverage of the Lakers on the show lately, keep it up, Jason. I am really curious to see how they handle all these different roster situations as well because it gets even more complicated with Trey Jemison. Like if Trey Jemison is your backup center behind Jackson Hayes, like he needs to be rostered.

If you trust him more than you trust Alex Lenn to be your ass-kicking center, and you need a guy on the roster where if like if Rui goes down or if like a small ball group doesn't work in a specific matchup, that means you got a roster of Jemison too. And it's going to be complicated. Because I do think Jordan Goodwin is like basically a like their 10th man or whatever in their rotation and a guy that they're going to need to use even when they're fully healthy at times.

If they end up converting one of those guys, I think Stanley is a perfect fit. I think he's a great small ball type of forward. He's been shooting the three balls substantially better in his time. G League over the last couple of years. I'm personally a fan of Stanley. He came through Tucson, Arizona. Super nice guy. I played against him and with him several times when he was here. I would love to see Stanley be a Laker. I think he'd be a great fit. I know you're a big Celtics advocate, and I do rate them, but I feel like when the lights shine brightest and a full-strength

team really matches them toe-to-to-to, they do struggle. You talk of the Celtics settling for shots when under pressure, but do you think they lack BMT at the highest level? Not sure what that means. You know how Butler thrives in that situation, and so does Steph and LeBron. It's that killer instinct, which I think Tatum lacks as the leader of the team. I keep reflecting on how the Cavs and Pacers were all severely injured in last year's playoffs. In the previous playoffs, they did struggle against the heat and the Warriors. So part of me thinks the Celtics are still unproven at the highest level.

What are your thoughts, Jason? So there's a small part of me that agrees with you in the sense that, like, I have consistently said, and Celtics fans know this, I have consistently said, I do not view this Celtics team as an all-time great type of team. They were a dominant regular season team last year in a historically weak Eastern conference, and they caught favorable matchups on their way to the postseason. That doesn't mean that they're not the best team in the league still. I do think Boston is the best team in the league.

I just don't think they're the 2018 Warriors, and there were a lot of Celtics fans after last year's postseason who were saying that they're like the 2018 Warriors. I don't view them like that. But as I zoom out and I look at all the teams, yes, their record is not as good as Cleveland or OKCs. It'd be weird if it was. Those teams are an entirely different motivational cycles or parts of their motivational cycle. But as I look at them, I go, do they have versatility on defense? Different schemes they can use.

Yeah, they can keep Porzinegas at the rim and run more traditional drop coverages and be kind of physically imposing in that way. but then they also have switching groups where they can switch one through five and like every single one of the five defenders is a good strong defender and like they can put together tons of groups that space the floor really well. They have a bunch of different dudes

that can create shots. They have different types of shot creators for different types of matchups and as I look through them as strictly as strengths and weaknesses type of team in the playoff context, I just think they're better than O'KC and Cleveland and Denver

and the Lakers and the Knicks and I think they're better. That doesn't mean that, they're, yeah, like, guys, I don't think they're the Katie Steph, prime clay, prime Draymond, Andre Aguadala Warriors. I don't think they're that team. I don't, that's, that will be determined in the long run. If they get into this postseason and they rip through the Knicks and they rip through the Cavs and they rip through whoever comes through the West, then we can start having a conversation about whether or not they're one of those all time great teams. I've

said this before, all-time grade is determined by multiple dominant playoff runs. But like, I do think that, like, just we're having a different type of debate in terms of where last year's team ranks historically and among these 30 NBA teams this year, who is the most well-equipped to succeed in the postseason. Should the Lakers prioritize going for the two-seat, or do you think JJ will instead risk some losses by testing out different lineups and rotations to see which players could be useful for the playoffs and to keep his core players healthy and fresh. I would be 100% focused on health.

Within the context of trying to win games, like, for instance, like Austin probably could have played last night. I think they have a high enough foundation to be able to win a certain amount of games. Two-seed would be great for home court. Like, if you ended up in a two-three matchup with Denver, it'd be great to have home court. But, like, I'm not particularly worried about home road necessarily as long as the Lakers are completely healthy. So like, to put it simply, I think they should try to

win as many games as possible, but never play a guy who's in any sort of significant discomfort in terms of managing health and just their bodies as they head into that stretch. The Celtics have gotten into a lot of trouble and have lost a few games leading into the fourth. The majority of these games,

Tatum isn't put into the fourth until the eight, six minute mark. Why do you think Missoula keeps doing this in the rotation? I think this year, Tatum has created even more space between him and J.B. Being the clear number one. But as it stands, Missoula's content with sitting Tatum for four plus minutes. I don't understand it. I wanted to know what your thoughts are in this.

This is something every team does. This is what the Lakers do with Luca. This is what the Nuggets do with Yokic. As they're trying to establish a rotation, most teams with their very best player are either going to play their star, the entirety of the first quarter, the entirety of the third quarter, and the second half of the second quarter,

in the second half of the fourth quarter. So they take a break to start the second quarter and start the fourth quarter. An easy way to put it is if you sit six minutes in the second and sit six minutes in the fourth, you're still playing 36 minutes. You don't want to rest. You don't want to be routinely playing your guys more than 36 minutes in a regular season game. Right. So some teams will tweak that a little bit and they'll move that six minute stretch to span the first and second quarters

and to span the third and fourth quarters is what the Lakers do with Luca, take him out with like two minutes left in the first, bring him back with like eight minutes left in the second. But like that is pretty typical for teams to want to get off to a really strong start and set the tones. They play their star, the majority of the first quarter, and the majority of the start of the second half. And then it's like we're going to try to cover you during this stretch

in the early second, early fourth. In clutch time, you come in six, seven minutes left and you fire the rest of the bullets in the chamber, and we see if we can get this thing. Also, if you look at it, there's different phases of the game where the starters play. Typically, beginning of the first quarter, end of the second quarter, beginning of the third quarter, end of the fourth quarter. That's what all the starters are on the floor. End of first, early second, end of third, early fourth are almost always bench groups.

So regardless of whether your stars playing with the first set of bench groups or the second set of bench groups, it's still bench groups. Those are opportunities where you need to show that you can have your bench guys outperform the other team's bench guys. And if you have played Yokic or played Tatum to start the fourth quarter, you'd have to sit him at the end of the third quarter. And if you sit them at the end of the third quarter, you could have the same problems that you're complaining about in the fourth quarter context.

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Evaluating a young player's skill set, at one point, and at what point in their career does it go from, hasn't shown it yet, to isn't capable of it? To me, this has a lot to do with the actual foundational set of skills. A couple of examples. if I'm looking at if I'm looking at a guy like Palo Boncaro or a guy like Jalen Green

I feel like Paulo even if he struggled from now till the day he turned 30 he's so big he's so strong he has so much natural talent that if it clicked for him like he had a really good summer in the gym working on his jump shot

and a change in approach in terms of not settling for as many bad mid-range jump shots, and he kind of clicked a little bit more as a playmaker over a five-year span. He could be massively underwhelming and then explode in his 30s because he has such a strong foundation. It's why I can't quit on Jalen Green.

Yes, he's a frustrating defensive player. Yes, he plays tunnel vision on offense. Yeah, it's frustrating when he beats his man off the dribble and then tries to throw up some crazy fucking layup around like four help defenders. It's frustrating. But if at age 20, it clicks, he can be deeply impactful because of how strong as foundational traits are.

So where it becomes an issue is when you see an obvious sign of physical decline and that improvement hasn't been made yet. Or this player's developing, but he doesn't have a strong enough physical foundation. I'll give you an example. I was a little worried about Darius Garland early in his career because I didn't think he brought any trait to the table that was really problematic for teams. He's gotten healthy now, and he looks incredibly fast, like, problematically fast. Like, teams can't handle him fast. And so, like, if we got three, four years down the line and he still had his playoff struggles and started to see some decline in his quickness, then I would be concerned. Does that make sense? Like, it's a combination of, like,

your evolution as a basketball player and how strong your physical foundation. is. With the way Jason Tatum is playing the season on top of the ridiculously stacked roster the Celtics have, I'm curious what teams, if any, you think, match up well against Boston. It seems they have one of the most complete starting fives we have ever seen. Do you see any teams that have obvious advantages

over them? The two teams that I'd be like all these teams have potential issues they can present. I think the calves would be ridiculous to write them off completely. I just think they have some entry points that can cause them problems. So the calves are a big one, I think that they'd have to keep an eye out. Out of the west, it's the Lakers and O KC that I'd be

worried about. I think they match it really well at Denver because their ability to consistently get them in rotation. The Lakers and the Thunder both have the ability to pretty routinely play them into their worst tendencies, which is like ISO's difficult over-the-top shot making because of those teams in the way they stunt and sag and find ways to kind of make them feel like they're playing in a crowd even when they're playing one-on-one. Then the Lakers, they have the ability to match up attack Boston and OKC has a speed advantage. I think that manifests for OKC, especially on the defense they can stay up underneath Boston and keep them in front

and turn them into contested jump shooters. Those are the three teams that I'd be particularly worried about, but I would pick Boston against all three of them. Two more. What team would be the best fit for KD next year? Since we know he's not going to be

in a Sun's Jersey next year, where should he go? I think Houston would be his best move, but what do you think? Houston and Oklahoma City are the two teams that scare me for that type of trade with Kevin Durant.

Houston, because they can anchor him with just a rock-solid D-Wing. defense and a ton of physical physical ass-kicking team that KD can lift over the top. We talked about that a little bit when we talked in our Sun segment yesterday. Oklahoma City, if they were like, screw it, let's go get KD. I think they would be an immediate, like, massive championship favorite, like head and shoulders over the field. He fits a position group that they're a little thin at at the power forward.

You can imagine him next to Chet and Shay. It's just a ridiculously strong foundation. They can throw the suns, a million draft picks to figure it out for a team that probably would like to pivot anyway. OKC is the team. Everyone should be crossing their fingers and begging doesn't go after Kevin Durant this summer. Last question, a really fun one. Hey, Jason, love the pod. You mentioned how Jaws speed and downhill force represents an unsolvable issue for defenses at the highest levels.

I was wondering if you go through the NBA and list the players that also have unsolvable abilities and what that skill is. I suspect that list isn't as long as many others think. Thanks and keep it going. Best basketball pot. Thank you. Thank you for the kind of words, all of you guys. So we talked about Darius Garland earlier, John Morant, as you mentioned. I decided to just list a couple others for you guys.

This is just kind of rough thrown together, but let me know what you guys think. So I put Shea, his first step in his pull-up shooting. That kind of just makes him very, very difficult to keep in front or to keep from getting to his spots. Yonis, overwhelming size, and athleticism. Yokic, size, shot making, and passing. Anthony Edwards, first step, pull-up shooting and strength. Jason Tatum doesn't really have an A-plus trait necessarily, but I do think his overall skill set is so good that it's that type of imposing for teams.

You just can fill so many different holes in any specific matchup. Tyrese Maxi's speed, I think, is a real game-changing talent. Kevin Durant's size and shooting. Luca Donchich, size, shot-making and playmaking. Anthony Davis, defensive versatility. Kate Cunningham eventually should be able to do a rough facsimile of what Luca Donchich does. LeBron James, rough facsimile of what Luca Donchich does. And I think LeBron's been one of the best two or three defenders in the league over the last, you know, 30 games or so.

Zion Williamson is dribble penetration and rim finishing. Victor Wimbunyama's length on defense. Steph Curry, the threat of his shooting. Joel Embed's size and scoring his footwork, his ability to move his body. Palo, I think eventually could bring a combination of a combination of. size, strength, and scoring. That is a potential there for. So what does that give you?

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18. So that's 18 guys that bring that type of issue. I'm setting a pretty low bar. Like, there's obviously like four or five of those dudes that are at another level above everyone else. But those are the guys that I think bring a specific talent that is an A plus talent that could be a foundational trait for an elite back. basketball team. Very good question. That was a fun one. All right, guys, that's all I have for

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