The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hoops Tonight - NBA title CONTENDER RANKINGS: How Thunder, Nuggets, Rockets, Spurs, Knicks, Lakers, Warriors rank

Episode Date: January 3, 2026

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Starting point is 00:03:04 in the mix for the championship in the NBA. Sometimes we'll have a guest. Sometimes we won't. I was going to have Sam Vesini on today. He's feeling a little under the weather. So we're going to have Kevin O'Connor to come on in our early. February contender rankings and then I'm going to have Sam come back on in early March for contender rankings then. But as we head into the new year, I wanted to dig into our top three
Starting point is 00:03:26 tiers. There's been a lot of change since our last contender rankings. Some teams moved off the second tier. Some teams moved on to the second tier. Whether or not I was going to put OKC in their own tier, all that we're going to get into today. You guys know the Joe before we get started. Subscribe to the Hoops Tonight YouTube channel. Like this video. And if you want to get mailbag questions into our Friday, mailbag starting next Friday, leave them underneath these full episodes on YouTube. Put mailbag, colon, write your question. We've got to them on our mailbags later on throughout the season.
Starting point is 00:03:55 All right, let's talk some basketball. So at this point, I think there are 11 teams that have at least some slight pathway to compete for a championship. I have three teams in the top tier. These are all teams that I think have a real, legitimate, like massive shot to win the trophy this year. These are the teams that like every day they're sitting in the locker room, they're like, we can do this, we're on a mission to do this. I have four teams in the second tier.
Starting point is 00:04:28 These are teams that I think have a real championship ceiling, but they have some pretty glaring flaws. They require a mix of maybe some favorable matchups, maybe some internal things going their way. These are locker rooms where they're going to have nights where they have some doubts in the locker room about whether or not they could reach that goal. But I do truly believe that ceiling is there, and they've demonstrated that ceiling within this season. Then I have four teams in the third tier.
Starting point is 00:04:58 These are teams that I think are well below the level of a traditional contender and that have not flashed the upside of a championship contender yet this season. but they have some kind of internal upside that at least makes you consider them a long shot. To be clear, I view all four of these teams is pretty far below the top seven, so I really only think there's seven teams that have like a good shot to win the title, but there's these additional four that I want to get into that I think at least have that potential upside, that very, very small window of opportunity that makes it so that you can't completely knock them off that list. So let's start there. We're going to rank all 11 teams today.
Starting point is 00:05:40 For all intents and purposes, there's only seven that I think can win the title, but we're going to go through all 11. We're going to work backwards, starting with number 11, the Golden State Warriors. They keep dropping games in particularly painful fashion, losing a heartbreaker to the Raptors the other night, where they led by 7 with less than 2 minutes left, ended up losing by 14 in overtime.
Starting point is 00:06:00 A couple of nice wins after that to Brooklyn and Charlotte. I'm actually recording this on New Year's Eve, and Golden State played at 11th. 11 a.m. local here in Denver today. It's just kind of part of the weird New Year's Eve schedule. But I got a couple of wins after that to get back to two games above 500. They're kind of like the opposite of the Lakers in that I think they're better than their record because of clutch basketball. Like the Lakers are 20 and 11 because they're 10 and O in clutch games. You know, a couple of those go a different direction. Austin Reeves misses a floater. Somebody misses a shot over there. Someone makes a shot over here.
Starting point is 00:06:32 They could be sitting, you know, closer to where Phoenix is in the standings, right? Similarly, the Warriors have hovering right around 500 in large part because they've lost 11 clutch games this year. It's been a combination of issues. Their clutch defense has been terrible. They're about a 127 clutch defensive rating. And they've had a very high turnover rate in crunch time. They're turning the ball over on over 15% of their possessions in crunch time. They've actually scored the ball pretty well when they get to those spots. I may be completely delusional here, but I still think this is a good basketball team. And they have a trade to make with Jonathan comminga. So I think it's very possible that this team goes on a run in the second half of the
Starting point is 00:07:08 season. It's one thing that like, if what I believe about this team is true, I believe they will finish the season a lot better than just a 500 basketball team. I think they'll be substantially above 500 at some point later on in the season. Nobody, not even Warriors fans are going to view this team as some sort of substantial title threat. But when you factor in Steph Curry, the continuity this team has, Steve Kerr is a playoff coach, the potential of return into comminga trade. They're at least that long shot title threat that's going to cause them to register on a list like this, even if I don't view them as as substantial as those top seven teams,
Starting point is 00:07:44 especially in a Western Conference where even Oklahoma City has shown some matchup vulnerability this year. The stat you cling to of you're a Warriors fan. They have a plus six net rating when Steph, Jimmy, and Draymond are all on the floor together. A 121 offensive rating with that group, and you feel like they can, play much better than they have on defense. That's what you're clinging to if you're a warrior's fan. Number 10, the Los Angeles Lakers. For the first time in the Luca era, I've dropped them off of the second tier of contenders. I was tempted to flip them in the Warriors last week. There was a moment there where I was like, man, are even the Warriors better? But even with all the
Starting point is 00:08:18 the Warriors, with all the Lakers flaws, excuse me, I do think they're just a touch better than the Warriors when they're fully healthy, but I have removed them from the second tier for two reasons. One, their roster is just completely overmatched in the modern NBA from a shooting and athleticism standpoint. They're incredibly slow and unathletic and they're incapable of knocking down open catch-and-shoot-3s. In the Pissons game, for example, how many times did you see Jake Gravy or Marcus Smart end up wide open and the guys just can't hit the shots? As a team, they're making 7.5 catch-and-shoot threes per game, which is the worst in the entire league. For some perspective, there are 19 and NBA teams that average at least 10 made catch and shoot threes per game.
Starting point is 00:09:01 The Lakers are getting 7.5 worst in the entire league. So every night, they're operating with extreme deficits in two of the most important aspects of modern NBA basketball, being able to run around and sprint and cover ground as athletes and the ability to knock down open catch and shoot threes. Two, for the Lakers to compete with the best teams in the league, they needed Luka to be at the level of the top players in the league. and he just hasn't been. His scoring volume is nothing to like just ignore,
Starting point is 00:09:30 but he's the most mistake prone superstar in the league by a mile. The amount of missed shots and turnovers he has relative to his peers is jaw dropping. This is a crazy stat from the Pistons game. The Pistons scored 19 points directly off of Luca, turnovers, and missed threes in transition. So like Luca misses a step back three up top, Jalen Duren just runs right past him, gets a dunk out the other.
Starting point is 00:09:55 the Rand off of the miss. Throw a pick six on the left. Marcus Sasser saves it in bounds to Isaiah Stewart under the basket for a dunk. That sort of thing over and over again, 19 points in one single game directly off of Luca turnovers and missed that back threes. So like when you really dig into it, it's like, yeah, you had 30 and 11. His counting stats continue to be incredible.
Starting point is 00:10:16 But he just misses so many shots and he turns the ball over so much that it undercuts his success. And to put it very simply, with this version, of Luca Donchich, the Lakers have no shot to win the title. But you can't completely count them out because there's always that threat that Luca will return to form, that LeBron will reach a top 15 level before the end of the season. Then Austin Reeves gets back and continues to kick ass that the team hits on a trade and they go on a run, right? That's why they're on this list. But I view that now is so much of an extreme long shot that I've removed them from that second tier of contenders for the
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Starting point is 00:18:12 Number nine, the Cleveland Cavaliers. The stat you cling to of your Cavs fan is that the Cavs have played just 161 possessions this year with Darius Garland, Donovan, Mitchell, Evan Mobley, and Jared Allen all on the floor together. in those minutes, they're plus 24 per 100 possessions, but only 161 possessions because of how devastated they've been by injuries. With those groups, by the way, they've been awesome on both ends of the floor.
Starting point is 00:18:36 So you can explain the majority of their issues just by pointing to injuries. I'd be quick to, I wouldn't be too quick, excuse me, to blame it all on injuries because there are some recurring themes, particularly with the defensive end and with their rebounding and their overall physicality. It's just not the most physical team in the world, really, in any of their position groups, which I don't love with the playoff team. But the case for Cleveland is that in a flawed Eastern Conference, they could get healthy. And if they got healthy, they're every bit as good as those top teams in the conference. I actually really like what I've seen from them in the last
Starting point is 00:19:07 couple of weeks. They easily could have won that Knicks game on Christmas Day if it wasn't for some super hot shooting from Tyler Colick and Jalen Bronson down the stretch. The win in San Antonio was super impressive on both ends of the floor. I do think the calves are gaining real momentum. I think they're about to make their run on the standing, like in the standings and go from being, you know, six, seven playing type of team to something up closer to the top. I think they're about to make that run. The main reason I'm keeping them down in the third tier is one, I'm just not sure we're ever going to get to see the fully healthy version of this team. Every single season, Darius Garland does seem to get banged up. It always does seem like one of their guys is dealing
Starting point is 00:19:42 with something that has them out of the lineup. And at a certain point, that's just kind of who you are. And then two, that lack of physicality in all their position groups, I think it makes some really high risk for upset in a playoff series. And it's why I'm not quite as high on them as like a second tier contender, for example, even though I can admit that their injuries have held them back in the standings. Number eight, the Boston Celtics. The case for this team is really simple. Most of their statistical markers are excellent. They're fourth in offense. They're fourth in net rating. They're positive in all the margin stats. They outscore teams and points off turnovers. They outscore teams in second chance points. They outscore teams and fast break points,
Starting point is 00:20:19 right? So they're winning on the margins. They just have this glaring personnel weakness in the front court, which you saw in their most recent loss against the Blazers where once again they're picking on their bigs and drop coverage and then as soon as they go away from their bigs and go small, you're seeing them get bullied. Whether it's, you know, Denny Avdia
Starting point is 00:20:35 going at Peyton Pritchard or it's, you know, Donovan Klinglingin just burying who go Gonzalez is underneath the basket. Like there's a size and athleticism deficit in that front court. That's just really tough for them to overcome at this point. So in theory, you add Jason Tatum, you hit on a trade for some front court depth.
Starting point is 00:20:54 Suddenly this looks like a very dangerous team, right? Those are all long shots, though. We've basically never seen a player come back from an Achilles tear in less than a year and lead a team through a full playoff run. All trades are hard to make. So, you know, like when you talk about matching salary, dealing with the aprons, you know, having enough roster spots to take in players,
Starting point is 00:21:18 there's so many different things that make trades hard to make. So I do view it as an extreme long shot that they actually accomplish what they need to accomplish to compete in the East. But the shot is there in a way that none of us could have predicted before the season. So if you're a Celtics fan, you got to be absolutely thrilled with where you're at. You're 20 and 12. Jalen Brown as like the leading man on a real team for the first time in his life. Like that has been a smashing success.
Starting point is 00:21:43 He's been incredible. So much so that, I mean, I've seen Celtics fans arguing whether or not it's his team or Tatum's team when he comes back. And I think those are the NBA's version of first world problems. Like it's awesome that you have both. And I don't know why. I've seen this with Lakers fans too where it's like, oh, this is LeBron's team or this is Lucas team.
Starting point is 00:21:59 It's like all that is really dumb to me. Like you need lots of good basketball players. Like you just got to figure out how to coexist, which we all know that Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum can. So I think Jalen Brown being awesome is nothing but good for the Celtics. Again, there's just so much that has to go right for them to be able to make their run. But I'm registering them as a shot to win the title. in a way I didn't think was possible before the season.
Starting point is 00:22:21 So you've got to be thrilled if you're a Celtics fan. All right, let's get into our second tier. Remember, the second tier, these are teams that I think, when they're in the locker room, they're going to have nights where they're like, oh, shit, we're going to win this thing. Now, they're flawed, they're going to have nights where they look bad, and you go, man, this one flaw we have,
Starting point is 00:22:39 we might not be able to overcome that, right? Like, these teams are not perfect, but they are another level above the teams I just listed in terms of checking boxes that you need to check to compete for a title. Number seven, the Detroit Pistons. I think they're a very dangerous playoff team because of their physicality at every position group. From their guards to their bigger wings to their centers, they're super athletic and strong all over the floor.
Starting point is 00:23:06 They get up into the basketball on the perimeter. They force turnovers. They generate a ton of margin in transition and on the offensive glass. I was actually talking about this the other day with respect to the Lakers with my buddy, Daman Rangula is a big Lakers fan. And he was making the point that last year's playoffs were indicative of the fact that margins
Starting point is 00:23:25 actually matter a lot more than they used to. It used to be that that was more of a regular season thing and then you get to the playoffs and it's like your half court offense versus my half court offense. Let's see who can score in the slow down basketball. But the point that Daman was trying to make was basically like we've seen
Starting point is 00:23:41 these teams essentially demonstrate that it's the opposite. You want to avoid the half court as much as possible. And the more you can get out in transition, the better, which has always been a concept. It's just been struggle, it's been a struggle to get that sort of thing to translate to the postseason in the past. Not last year. We saw Oklahoma City in Indiana win series. In Oklahoma City win a title, Indiana come very close by winning on the margins. It just helps to be able to avoid the half court as much as possible. When you have a defense that can get you out in transition a lot, if you
Starting point is 00:24:14 have the ability to turn half court misses into points on the offensive glass, it just buys you a ton of margin for error in that half court basketball department. Detroit's a perfect example of that. Their half court offense can slow down sometimes. Kade can go cold from the perimeter. You can miss some easy shot sometimes. You can have some turnover issues. They don't really have a reliable secondary option, right? So they can go cold from time to time. But they get out and transition off of their defense and force a lot of turnovers and score off of those turnovers, and they turn a lot of their misses into points on the offensive glass. So they have that margin for error. I have them at the bottom of this tier because they're kind of light on that aggregate
Starting point is 00:24:53 offensive skill piece. Cade has an enormous amount of offensive responsibility on this team, but I think this roster is absolutely capable of winning an NBA championship. They have one of the special offensive engines in the NBA in the form of Cade. They have other guys who can break the defense down with dribble penetration. They're an elite defense and rebounding team, and they win on the margins. That's a lot of checking boxes. And if they hit on the trade at this deadline, which I believe they will, side note, and this is, again, this is just for fun, everybody.
Starting point is 00:25:23 So everybody chill out and have some fun for a second. I think Detroit is actually my favorite LeBron trade destination. It was thrown out. We were just hanging out after the stream on Lakers Collective, actually this morning. And Trevor was just joking about it. was like, what about Detroit? Because I was saying, like, is there a team out there that can, like, really use a four, but also allow him to not necessarily play super hard on defense
Starting point is 00:25:48 and on the glass during the regular season? And Trevor was like, well, what about Detroit? And then I started to look at it, and I was like, this actually makes a lot of sense. Now, for the record, I don't think LeBron will get traded. This isn't even my favorite Pistons trade. My favorite Pistons trade is still Michael Porter Jr. But just for fun, I wanted to dig into this idea. So the way it would look, it would be something like LeBron and Brani for Tobias Harris,
Starting point is 00:26:12 another big expiring so the Lakers don't have to worry about taking too much long-term salary on. Karis Levert, Giovante Green, and Marcus Sasser. So for the Pistons, they would get a legit number two for Cade, who could be like a secondary offensive engine off of Cade Cunningham to make his life easier in that department. A massive upgrade of power forward. He's just a better player than Tobias Harris. and then the Pistons have the personnel to actually put up with LeBron coasting in the regular season. They've got athletes all around him.
Starting point is 00:26:42 And they have such a depth of athletes that they could lose a Giovante Green and a Carus Lavert. But LeBron kind of takes that Carislevert role of like being kind of a secondary ball handler, but you still have plenty of athleticism off the bench. You still have Jada and Ivy. You still have Ron Holland. It doesn't dig into the identity of the team. Obviously, Javonte Green has been a big part of it. you essentially, because Marcus Sasser's been more or less out of their rotation when
Starting point is 00:27:07 Carus Levert is healthy. So you're essentially turning Javonte Green and Tobias Harris and Carus Levert into LeBron James. That's a pretty substantial upgrade there. And then for the Lakers, they get a bunch of athletes. You know how much Lakers could use a guy like Javent or a Marcus Sasser that can guard the ball and get some dribble penetration for them or Carus Lever, you know, that kind of thing? So it was just, I was just looking at that. I was like, oh, that's a lot of fun. Again, not going to happen. Not even my favorite Pistons trade. I think Michael Porter Jr. still makes the most sense. The downside of making a move for LeBron is you would not have a long-term solution. Michael Porter Jr. could be a guy that's your power forward for three, four years, right?
Starting point is 00:27:43 So that's why he's still my favorite option, but it just was funny because it got pitched to me this morning and I was like, you know what? Like, if LeBron was on the Pistons right now for Tobias and Marcus Sasser and Karris Lavert and Javante Green, do the Pistons immediately become the runaway favorite in the Eastern Conference. They probably become the runaway favorite in the Eastern Conference like overnight with a move like that. So it's just fun. It's just fun to think about. Number six, the Minnesota Timberwolves. All season long, Minnesota has been a frustrating team to watch. They're currently getting their butts kicked right now on the road in Atlanta. Inconsistent effort and energy on defense. Late game struggles that have plagued them for years.
Starting point is 00:28:25 But I always like sustained this belief that they have the ability to ratchet up their athleticism and physicality to overwhelm. the best teams in the league when they get to the postseason. And I do think we've seen enough of that in the last couple of weeks to justify that upside. Again, I was talking about that as kind of one of the characteristics I'm looking at in this tier is like, have you demonstrated at any point this season that you are capable of winning a championship, right? And like, so for Detroit, for example, they're literally the best team in the Eastern Conference by record, right? And they have a bunch of wins over 500 of better teams. Like, there's every reason in the world for
Starting point is 00:29:02 Pistons is sitting in their locker room and be like, we can do this, right? For Minnesota, it was that win over Oklahoma City. That win demonstrated that upside. I'm actually even higher on Minnesota than I was to start the season because of some of the improvements I've seen on offense, especially Anthony Edwards and just how much more methodical and patient he's been on his drives, his rim finishing is skyrocketed. Jaden McDaniels becoming a 40% three-point shooter. He's been much more polished offensively ever since the playoffs last year. I think that's a real leap from him. They have that combination that I think you need in order to compete with the team like Oklahoma City, but just in general to be a problem in the postseason. And that's a combination of size and
Starting point is 00:29:42 athletic advantages, but also guys that can dribble and create shots. They've got a bunch of dudes between Anthony Edwards and Julius Randall and Nas Reid. They've got a bunch of dudes that can break the defense down with their athletic advantages. And then as a team, they can all shoot the ball really well off of that. I think it's a combination that causes a lot of problems for teams in the postseason. Their personality is frustrating. They do not bring the appropriate level of focus and attention to detail on defense often enough. They're going to have frustrating stretches where they look bad. They're kind of like the Philadelphia Eagles of the NBA or if catch them on the wrong night, you think they're the worst team in the league. But like every year they are again, you know,
Starting point is 00:30:21 late in the postseason because they're just bigger and stronger and faster than everybody. And that's kind of how I see Minnesota right now. Today's show is brought to you by presenting sponsor Hard Rock Bet, the official sportsbook partner of the Miami Heat and the Orlando Magic. When it's cold outside, that's when you know the hardwood is heating up. Between the NBA and college, there's basketball on every night. And every night is a shot to build a same game parlay and score a major bucket on Hard Rock Bet. You're home for hoops action all season long. If you ever miss tip off of that big game, don't worry. Hard Rock Bet lets you live bet all game long from the first bucket to the final buzzer. So you're never too late to find a winner or grab that player.
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Starting point is 00:32:00 We have some big news. What's the news? Huge news. We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts.
Starting point is 00:32:12 Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down?
Starting point is 00:32:35 Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,
Starting point is 00:32:53 or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Agency. The ability to know that we're the experts in our online. own body. On the podcast, cultivating her space, Dr. Dom and Terry Lomax create a space where black women can show up fully and be heard. I wholeheartedly think, you know, you hit 30. You shouldn't have to share a room with anybody. Mm-hmm. From navigating friendships and healing to setting boundaries and prioritizing your mental health. These are real honest conversations. We don't always get to have out
Starting point is 00:33:26 Wow. Totally unreasonable with different parts of life, right? Like, oh, have all three meals and make sure you're mindful during all of them? Absolutely not. During one meal, I'm standing. I'm standing and handing my children food. Because healing, empowerment, and resilience aren't just ideas. Their practices.
Starting point is 00:33:45 And this Mental Health Awareness Month, there's no better time to pour back into yourself. Listen to cultivating her space on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or where wherever you get your podcast. This week on Crimless, we're joined by our first ever guest. Sorry, our first ever human guest. I don't think I could be in the same room with Shamrock the pair. I'd be too nervous. That's right.
Starting point is 00:34:14 The very funny Will Farrell joins Rory Scovel and me, Josh Dean, for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Farrell. They called to his fellow officer for the nippers. What are the nippers? Very good question. No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing? Simple assault. And it's a play on word, salt?
Starting point is 00:34:36 Maybe not. I say we invest and we see. There's only one way to know. This did not amuse the cops. By the way, normally the cops are amused, but this did not abuse the cops. Will even comes clean about some of his own crimes. I didn't get caught. You know why?
Starting point is 00:34:53 If you don't want to be suspected of anything, you will. whistle as you walk. Listen to crime lists on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. Getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is. Getting a new one put up in its place.
Starting point is 00:35:17 As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the Civil War. To get to school, I had to go down Robert Lee Boulevard. Get to the grocery store. I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway. If you're an historian and you're a historian and you. You leave out half of what the history is. You're not doing your job.
Starting point is 00:35:33 I'm Akila Hughes. In Rebel Spirit, Season 2 goes deep on both of those things. The fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal campaign to add something to the Kentucky State House that's actually worth the wall space. We are more than our bodies. We contain essence. We contain spirit.
Starting point is 00:35:51 How do you represent that? They are just fueling a fire that is really catching. You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2. on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Keith Giamanka seemed like a mild-mannered suburban dad, but secretly, he became someone else, a master of disguise who went on a crime spree. At the time, did it seem like a crazy idea?
Starting point is 00:36:21 It seemed very crazy, but I felt so desperate that I felt it was the quickest, easiest way out. Did you allow yourself to think about how it could go wrong and what that might look like? No. I didn't want to manifest that. I was trying to manifest success. Every family has its secrets. But what happens when you discover that your dad has been living a double life? That is not the look of an innocent man.
Starting point is 00:36:52 This is going to change my life and my family dynamic forever because everything that had existed prior in my reality, is now untrue. Listen to Deep Cover the Family Man on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Number five, the New York Knicks. In Jailen Brunson's last 10 games,
Starting point is 00:37:21 and again, I'm recording this on New Year's Eve, so I'm going to miss a game between now and then. In Jailam Brunson's last 10 games, he's averaging 33 points per game on 62% true shooting with just 1.7 turnovers per game. For the season, he's averaging a career high 29 and a half, on 60% true shooting with just 2.2 turnovers per game. The level of scoring volume and efficiency we've seen Jalen Brunson operating at in the last month
Starting point is 00:37:47 is flying way too far under the radar. When Shea Gildeser's Alexander was doing this, we said he was having one of the greatest guard seasons ever. That's the type of territory that Jalen Brunson has entered into with the level of play he's been at for the last month. I think he's making that leap to the top tier of superstars. I talked about this on the show the other day, but I think he's been even better than Lucas been over the last month.
Starting point is 00:38:14 It's just one of many things about the Knicks that feels different to me this year. Brunson's playing the best basketball of his career and has arguably been a top tier superstar of the season. Mikhail, OG, and Josh Hart, all three of them have been phenomenal on both ends of the floor. All three of them have been better this year than they were last year. McHale's shooting the ball better and guarding better. Josh Hart's shooting the ball better just in general has been a better offensive threat than he was in years past. O.J. Ananoby's been devastating two-way all over the floor this year. Carl Anthony Towns struggled to start the year, but he's been way more efficient in the last few weeks.
Starting point is 00:38:47 And the team has found a lot of valuable depth and like a gunner like Jordan Clarkson. That's not particularly efficient, but that can come in and bring a spark of energy and hit a couple shots and change a game like he did on Christmas Day. Tyler Kolek and just the job he's done is a backup guard who can also scale up as a score when he needs to. Landry, shame it and his move at shooting before he got hurt, obviously. Mitchell Robinson's been healthy and available this year. Something is just different. The issues with Kat on defense, they're still real, and they're going to have to overcome those to get to where they want to go.
Starting point is 00:39:15 But I just think the Knicks might be so much better across the board that they can overcome it this time around. Their offense is four and a half points better per 100 possessions than it was last year. That down the roster improvement from certain guys, the emphasis on early dribble penetration from Mike Brown that's generating the types of higher quality catch and shoot looks than they got last year, all of it is amounting to a better basketball team.
Starting point is 00:39:41 I don't think they have the two-way ceiling that some of the teams above them on this list have, but this to me is by far the most optimistic I've been about the Knicks in the Brunson era. I think they have a real shot to win it all. Number four, the San Antonio Spurs. Their offense is flawed, And it's highly susceptible to cold spells that have plagued them in the last week.
Starting point is 00:40:03 And that's what keeps them off the top tier for now. For you Spurs fans in our Wednesday show, I did a kind of a deep dive into how the Cavs guarded their guards and some of the stuff that they can do to address that and just what it means for the future of the Spurs. But this team has a huge leg up on all the other second and third tier contender teams in the form of the simple fact that they have Oklahoma City's number. They're probably the only team in the league other than Denver that can like confidently look in the mirror and say, we can beat these dudes. Denver because they pushed them to seven last year with the worst team in San Antonio because they're three and oh against them this season. Everyone else, it's either theoretical because they don't know or it's a massive long shot. I like the Spurs as a playoff team
Starting point is 00:40:44 in general because they check some of those classic boxes like they are excellent rim protection team. They can provide 48 minutes of just real barrier between dribble drives in the rim. They also have a depth of perimeter defenders that can get up into the ball. I've always loved that bracket of being able to pressure the ball, but also being able to protect the rim. And then on the offensive end, in addition to Wemby, they have a depth of dribble drive creation that can break the defense down at the point of attack over and over again. A bunch of guys that can beat their man off the dribble. For all this talk about their shooting before the season, including from people like myself, they've been firmly in the middle of the pack as a catch
Starting point is 00:41:19 and shoot team this year. Now, one of the things we saw, especially in the Cleveland game, is that they put bigs, like bigger forwards on Steph Castle and on Dylan Harper and really sagged off and went underneath screens. And there's a lot of stuff that they're going to have to work out schematically to try to keep things flowing for them on offense when they run into that. I think they're even going to see more exaggerated versions of that where they put centers on Steph Castle, things along those lines.
Starting point is 00:41:43 There's stuff that they're going to have to figure out. But overall, I can't believe after how low I was on this team coming into the season, and I have them at fourth of my contender rankings. They're an awesome basketball team. Last note, I can't wait to watch Wemby in his first playoff series. I think he's going to be able to ratchet things up defensively in a way that is devastating to opposing offenses. It's going to be fun to watch. Number three, the Houston Rockets.
Starting point is 00:42:08 It's so funny because the talk before the season was that they needed a point guard. And I was in on that idea, too, not so much that they needed a point guard in the most traditional sense of the word, but just that they needed another dribble shot creator, a guy that can run pick and roll, a guy that could do what Fred Van Vleet did, right? But I'm completely off that idea now. I don't think they need a point guard at all. I think, you know, there was a lot of that talk that resurfaced, especially after their recent slide a couple weeks ago where they dropped a few games. I don't think the Rockets have issues on offense breaking the defense down.
Starting point is 00:42:36 Kevin Durant and Alperin-Sangoon are drawing multiple defenders constantly. Reed Shepard has blossomed way sooner than I expected into a tertiary ball handler. He's getting 1.08 points per ball screen, including passes this year on over 200 reps. He's done great work in ball screens as a shot maker and as a playmaker. he's a legit option for them there. They just need to figure out how to capitalize on the four on threes. Think of it in a real basic way like this. You have a point guard.
Starting point is 00:43:01 What's a point guard's job? To find out where to enter the offense. Okay, we want to get the ball to KD. Okay, we're going to throw the ball to KD. We're going to run this set. We're going to get the ball to KD on the block. Well, then the double team comes. And when the double team comes, the exact same fucking problem happens
Starting point is 00:43:14 that we were talking about before the point guard enters the equation where KD is dribbling the ball off the floor, and he's picking up a double team right away. The doubles are the doubles. KD and Shangoon are going to draw the doubles. The team needs to figure out how to more quickly and efficiently break down those four on threes into dunks in wide open threes. It's just about, like, to me, like instead of getting a point guard, they just need that fifth guy, the guy who can go next to KD, Jabari, Shangoon, and Thompson and be the combination of defense and shot making that they need.
Starting point is 00:43:45 And I think they found it. I think Tar Yason could be a good option there. I still think Doreen Phine Smith as he continues to get his legs underneath them will be an option for them there. I think that sort of wing, do everything wing, is more important as a fifth guy in that lineup than bringing like, you know, a vintage, like get everyone to their spots kind of point guard. I think the entire purpose of offense is to break the defense down
Starting point is 00:44:06 and to get quality shots. The Rockets can do that. They just have to stop turning the ball over. And like, frankly, the large sample data on their offense is absurd. Their offense is awesome. It's like when you look at their clutch games that they've lost, it actually has been their defense that's been a problem. And in many cases, it's because, you know,
Starting point is 00:44:22 they, Ema Eudoka went with the Stephen Adams or he went with the Reed Shepherd. And I think now settling in on Tarisan is that fifth guy is going to kind of settle down some of their late game stuff. And they're going to need reps. Like they're going to need a lot of reps between now and the end of the season to get better at capitalizing on those four on threes. You know, it's been interesting as I look back, zooming out.
Starting point is 00:44:43 Like they're not as good defensively as we thought they'd be in large part because they play a lot of these bigger bodies that are pretty slow-footed so they can be a little susceptible to speed. They're not as good defensive rebounding as you would expect for that exact same reason, long rebounds, quicker bodies can get to them. But they're still pretty good on defense. They're still pretty solid as a defensive rebounding team. They're the best overall rebounding team in the mile because they're just this transcendently great offensive rebounding team. And they're so much better on offense than any of us thought they could be thanks to the fact that Kevin and Alper and Shangoon are breaking the defense over and over again, bringing that second defender. and then they've had a lot of improved spot-up shooting down the roster.
Starting point is 00:45:23 Number two, Denver Nuggets. Soon to be playing team Denver Nuggets as a result of the first significant injury in Nicole Yokic's career, I still remain super high on this team, and I view them as the biggest threat to win the title behind Oklahoma City. Everything I expected about this team this summer ended up coming to fruition, like Nicole Yokic is still the best player in the world by a clearly discernible margin, Jamal Murray was motivated by the roster moves and some of his shortcomings in the last couple seasons
Starting point is 00:45:53 to show up to training camp in shape. He's about to make his first All-Star team. He's been incredible. Aaron Gordon looked fantastic before he got hurt. I talked about how the depth would make them more able to succeed when Yokch is off the floor. That was clearly bearing out in the numbers before all these injuries hit.
Starting point is 00:46:09 And Cam Johnson improved their overall foot speed on defense in their best lineups. And he was really starting to click on offense before his injury. I get that it's a pessimistic time to be a Nugget fan. You have four starters down with substantial lower body injuries. That's brutal. The next month of Nuggets basketball is going to be a chore to watch.
Starting point is 00:46:28 But none of these injuries are season threatening. Guys are going to come back. And when they are healthy, they have the best combination of top-end firepower, depth of talent, experience, continuity, and real match-up advantages that they need to beat anybody in the West. I still think they have a fantastic chance to win the title this year. They just need to make sure that they're helping when they get to early April.
Starting point is 00:46:53 Number one, the Oklahoma City Thunder. I was tempted a few weeks ago to put them in a tier by themselves at the top of the league, but then they dropped four out of their six games in that stretch against Minnesota and Oklahoma City and a lot of their issues from the pass rows to the surface. Like they can still get out rebounded, generally kind of overwhelmed by teams that have a lot of perimeter size. They can still get shaky with their catch and shoot shooting, especially when they play athletic teams that can throw good closeouts. They're shooting plummets when they face closeouts. And then after Shake Yilds with Alexander, their ball handling gets just a little
Starting point is 00:47:26 shaky compared to some of the other top teams. I think AJ Mitchell and J. Dub are really good and better options than most teams in the league. But there are some other teams towards the top of this list that have some better secondary options than what Oklahoma City has right now. Who knows? Maybe J. Dub will play better over the course of the season, but it's just based on what we've seen so far. That said, I still have seen plenty this year, this year, in terms of improvement, with guys like Shea, who's gone up a level across the board in a lot of ways, with Chet, who's gone up a level across the board in a lot of ways, the overall jump shooting of the team. You know, in a large sample, they've actually been shooting plenty well. It's just been,
Starting point is 00:48:03 again, these specific matchups and these specific types of shots that they've been missing. I still think that makes them a clear favorite to win the title this season. The Timberwolves in The Thunder demonstrated that they're not some sort of unbeatable juggernaut or anything like that, but they are the best team in the NBA. And I do think they have the most complete team to survive four playoff rounds in hoist the trophy this year. All right, guys, that's all I have for today. As always, I sincerely appreciate you guys for supporting us and supporting the show. We'll be back on Monday for our usual power rankings episode. I hope everybody had a happy new year. And I'll see you guys.
Starting point is 00:48:47 Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick.
Starting point is 00:49:08 Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Your husband is not who you think he is. Your body is not what you thought it was. Your identity is formed by a secret history. I'm Danny Shapiro, and these are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring on the 14th season of Family Secrets.
Starting point is 00:49:31 He kind of shoved me out of the way and said, move, and he went out the front door, and he jumped in a car and drove off, and that was the last time I saw him. Listen to Season 14 of Family Secrets on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is,
Starting point is 00:49:54 getting a new one put up in its place. I'm Akila Hughes, and Rebel Spirit Season 2 is about both of those things. As I was watching these statues come down, I was thinking about what it meant that I grew up in a majority black city in which there were more homages to enslavers than there were to enslave people. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Every family has its secrets.
Starting point is 00:50:19 But what happens when you discover that your dad has been living a double life? That is not the look of an innocent man. Is everyone lying to me about who they are? I felt such desperation. I felt it was what I had to do. Listen to Deep Cover the Family Man on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Someday into right now with Buddy by Jake Radio, non-stop workout. Music and expert tips 24-7.
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