The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hoops Tonight - Reaction to Lakers FIRING Buss brothers, LeBron & Luka impact + LaMelo Ball & Jonathan Kuminga sagas

Episode Date: November 23, 2025

Jason reacts to the Los Angeles Lakers firing Joey and Jesse Buss from their front office, leaving it to Jeanie, Rob Pelinka, and new owner Mark Walter. He breaks down why this happened, what it means for the future of the roster, how it impacts JJ Redick, LeBron James, Luka Doncic, and more. Then he discusses the reports that LaMelo Ball wants to be traded from the Charlotte Hornets and that Jonathan Kuminga feels like the scapegoat for the Golden State Warriors as Steph Curry, Jimmy Butler, and the team are off to a 9-8 start to the NBA season. All lines presented by Hard Rock Bet.  #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Goods tonight here at The Volume. Happy Friday, everybody. Hope all of you guys had an incredible week. Well, it is Mailbag Day, but we got a bunch of NBA news yesterday. So we're going to be hitting on three stories at first. Then we're going to do a mini mailbag at the tail end of the show. The Lakers began the revamping of their front office yesterday with the firing of Joey and Jesse Bus. At first it looked like Mark Walter coming into Clean House.

And now it's judging by an interview by Dan Wojke of the athletic with Jesse Bus. Seems like it might be a little bit more family drama. So I want to dig into that a little bit. After that, Lamello Ball, Kelly Iko, from Yahoo Sports, who covers the NBA. He ended up reporting that Lamello Ball is looking to potentially be traded away from Charlotte. In his writing, he also said that the Hornets themselves have become somewhat disillusioned with Lamello. So kind of want to dig into that concept a little bit.

And then I have three potential Lamello trades just for fun to get us started today. There's a bunch of different options there, but I wanted to dig into three potential options. after that, Anthony Slater from ESPN reported that Jonathan Cominga feels like he's being scapegoated by the Warriors. And so it took all of about a month for us to end up back in the same boat that we were in over the summer. I want to talk about that briefly. And then again, we have about a half dozen questions that we'll get through quickly at the tail end of the show. You guys know the joke before we started. Subscribe to the Hoops Tonight YouTube channel so you don't miss any more of our videos.

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All right, let's talk some basketball. So the Lakers fired Joey and Jesse Bus. This news broke yesterday while we were on the Lakers Collective podcast. And while me and Trevor and Yovam were breaking it down, we initially were covering it more or less as like kind of Mark Walter's cleaning house kind of thing. This is the beginning of the new era. Like both Bus Brothers were fired and most of the scouting staff. So it seemed like, okay, they're just going to kind of revamp things.

But then last night, Dan Wojke, the Athletic published an interview with Jesse Bus that painted a very different picture, something more along the lines of a multi-year rift building between the, the bus brothers and their sister, as well as the rest of the front office, which effectively ended in them being pushed out. Jesse essentially said that they had been far less involved with personnel decisions over the last few years. He specifically cited the 2023 draft as the beginning of the era where they were not involved, but rather at that point, they just started being informed of what the team was doing. That's obviously hilarious. And it's very pointed in specific because in

2023, that was when Jalen Hochefino was drafted. So it was basically his way of saying like, yeah, we had nothing to do with any of that shit after the Jalen O'Safino-Jafino draft. He also went on to say that he felt like him and Joey had become viewed as enemies within

the organization. He said that he hadn't spoken to Jeannie Bus or Rob Polinka in five months. So instead of looking like Mark Walter was cleaning house, it's looking more like a family civil war. And then there was this bar that Jesse dropped at the tail end of the interview. And I hope that going forward that Mark can kind of bring a lot of what he brought to the Dodgers. Because I think if the vision,

more or less, is the same from what I've seen over the last 10 years, then it necessarily isn't always going to lead to the success that Lakers fans have become accustomed to when my dad ran the operations and owned the team. Basically a very passive aggressive way of saying, y'all better hope mark comes in and runs things again soon because if it stays with genie you guys are going to underachieve a very very very pointed comments there from jesse bus now i think there are two ways to look at this situation there's the oh my god genie bus is a shit show way of looking at it which we'll get into and then there's the this will all be fine because mark walter's going to clean this up and i think both of those perspectives are valuable

to look at. I ultimately think the Lakers' front office will be in much better shape five years from now. Joey and Jesse were a rare bright spot in that front office. They had an extensive track record of finding high-level NBA talent, especially at the tail end of the draft. They brought in Alex Caruso, they brought in Austin Reeves, they brought in Kyle Kuzma, they brought in Max Christie, many of the young player hits that have come through L.A. in the last decade. According to the interview, Jesse takes some credit for the idea of the Rui Hachemura trade. He kind of positioned it in a way that like the team came to him and basically asked for his opinion on that deal and he essentially co-signed it. But beyond those successes, there aren't many successes to be

found in that Laker front office. Aside from the star acquisitions, which appear to have much more to do with factors that are outside of the Lakers control. Like LeBron picked the Lakers because they were the Lakers. Clutch, strong-armed AD to the Lakers because they were the Lakers and because LeBron was there. And Nico Harrison gift-wrapped Luca to the Lakers in what was the most stunning trade

in the history of sports. Now, I want to be clear and fair here. It hasn't been all bad. I thought Rob Polinka did a nice job pivoting off of the Kauai saga to build a championship roster around the eventual champion, in 2020, Los Angeles Lakers.

I thought he did some nice work this last summer, finding discounted depth in guys like Marcus Smart, Dionne Drayton, and Jake Laravia. But even in that discussion, there's some context. Like, you probably don't get Aiton, if you don't have Luca, and the belief that he gives Aiton that he can help rehab his trade value,

or not his value, but his eventual free agent value, right? You probably don't get Jake LaRavio without the connections you have to Austin Reeves and his agent, right? And in general, over the course of the Rob Polinka era, there's been a complete lack of basketball identity in that front office. There isn't a clear basketball philosophy that shapes their decision making. There isn't a type of player that they clearly like and consistently target the way that you see with teams like Golden State and Oklahoma City in Miami or Indiana. There hasn't been any sort of consistency and approach from offseason to off season. they seem to go in a different direction every year.

And as you go upwards in the organization, it gets even more sloppy. All I've heard is that the Lakers have multiple hands trying to fly the plane, so to speak. Many competing ideas, not much in the way of alignment throughout the upper management. You have Kurt Rambis trying to shoehorn himself into coaches meetings or in some cases, even trying to force his way onto coaching staves. Like, it's just been a mess. but overall I'm optimistic and this is why I want to kind of bring it back

to a positive perspective even with the loss of the bus brothers which again they were a rare bright spot I think Mark Walter will be very competitive in this marketplace I think he's going to throw a lot of cash around I think he's going to bring in very competent professionals into those roles

I expect the Lakers to have a very good scouting department in the near future with excellent college scouting with excellent overseas scouting, with excellent NBA scouting. And then I think the front office will eventually build out a basketball identity, a consistent approach from offseason to off season.

I think JJ Reddick really helps with this. I think JJ will really help Rob come up with a consistent approach from off season to off season in the types of players he wants in his system. And then I think slowly but surely over the course of the next half decade, that kind of small parochial

family business-like approach of the Lakers to basketball decisions will be replaced by dead serious and more professional approach to decision-making in a more competitive NBA. Like, you can't afford to be weak in those areas with how good the rest of the NBA is. And I think the Lakers will eventually be more competitive behind the scenes.

This will all eventually end with the Lakers being a dead serious basketball organization with a financial and leadership backing that actually meets the level of the Lakers brand itself, which again remains the biggest basketball brand in the world. So in other words, it's kind of a sad day because Jesse and Joey don't deserve what happened to them, both over the last few years and what happened yesterday.

But ultimately, I do think the Lakers will be better off in the long run as Mark Walter just continues to assert himself and to take more and more control of the team. All right, let's get into this Lamello saga. So Lamello Ball has grown increasingly frustrated with the organization and is open to a trade away from the franchise. Multiple league sources told Yahoo Sports. That's from Kelly Ico, who's a national NBA writer for Yahoo Sports. Now, the numbers have been tricky with Lamello to start the year.

He's got hurt again to start the year. He hasn't been good since he came back. He's just five for 24 from three over the last eight games. Got benched at the tail under regulation in the last one. he's down to just a bit over 27 minutes per game over the last three games. But the team has been flatly better when he's on the floor. Even just in that three game span where the Hornets went 0 and 3, they won Lamello's minutes by 12.

They have a plus seven net rating, meaning they're outscoring opponents by seven points per 100 possessions when Lamello balls on the floor. They have a 124 offensive rating according to cleaning the glass when Lamello balls on the floor. They're bad on defense, but the office. is so good that they've been winning of those minutes. And again, I think the bad defense goes far beyond just lamello and his kind of inconsistent effort and focus on that. The offense

absolutely craters when he's off the floor. They go from a 124 offensive rating to a 109 offensive rating. In other words, from transcendently great to what would be the bottom of the league. And the defense gets worse too, because again, those two ends of the floor are connected. When you're constantly missing shots and turning the basketball over, it puts your defense in a compromised position. Now, I will freely admit, I'm personally not the biggest Lamela ball fan in the world. But I do think he's an undeniable offensive talent. He's kind of the definition of a modern offensive engine, a guard that can push pace consistently that generates tons of advantages, basically by just running action and

relentlessly making the reads, the reads that set your teammates up with closeouts and four on threes, any sort of advantage that a, uh, a basketball player can capitalize on it a much higher rate than he would if he doesn't have an advantage. That's what causes the offensive rating numbers you see to be so much better when he's on the floor versus off. Now, he's a flawed young player. His shot selection on the ball can be downright silly sometimes. I think that prevents him from being as efficient as he's capable of being. His defensive effort is inconsistent. Not super uncommon for a young guard. I think he can make some plays there. He's got good size and length and he's fast. And when he,

like he can make plays when he's engaged on that end, but there's not much in the way of possession to possession discipline. And he needs to get his body right if he wants to stay on the floor. Now let's zoom in on Charlotte real quick. They were getting a lot of hype from NBA hipsters coming into the season. And for good reasons, like con canyple's a really good player. I like concanipple. And he's hooping his ass off right now.

By the way, in his last nine games, 22 points, seven rebounds and four assists per game on basically 50, 40, 90, 49% from the field, 39% from 3, and 93% from the line. I like Sionj. I like Brandon Miller. But I was personally very low on the Hornets coming into the season, and I thought they'd be back at the bottom of the league because they're pretty much devoid of two-way talent relative to the rest of the league,

and because Lamello just hasn't shown an ability to stay on the floor. So I do think that if you took Lamello and took him out of what is essentially not a good roster and put him onto a situation with more talent, I do think he could be a ceiling raiser. Now, before we get into some of these trades, for me personally, if I was running an NBA team, I would not trade for Lamella. The upside is tantalizing,

but he's been around for a while now. This is his sixth NBA season. He's played more than 51 games in a season just once. And while the offensive upside is still as tantalizing as ever, he's shown basically no progress towards becoming that more refined version of himself. Like he's never really made an attempt to trim the fat in his shot selection. He's never become a more diligent possession to possession defender.

And we're not seeing like progress in those directions. It's not like, oh, he's way ahead of where he was back in 2020. That shows that he's progressing towards becoming this all-MBA level type of dude. Like we've seen that with other guys. like Tyrese Halliburton, very similar type of like kind of offensive engine guard, albeit less of a score. With Tyrese Halliburton, we've seen in the last few years, him become a little better each season at competing in the defense,

competing in the scheme, throwing hard hedges and recovering with his hands up and sprinting back out to the shooter slipping out of the screen. Like we've seen progress there that we haven't really seen with Lamello. So I personally don't think he's worth the risk if I was running an NBA. team. But ultimately Lamello ball will end up being traded. Again, Kelly and his report also said that the Hornets themselves are disillusioned with Lamella. So if the

Hornets don't want him and he doesn't want the Hornets, he's going to be somewhere else soon enough. So just for fun. And again, there's a lot of different options you can go, a lot of different directions you can go here. But I came up with just three fun Lamella Ball trades just to kind of brainstorm this initial phase. And if I have others, I'll pitch him when we get further down the line. line. But first one here,

Lamello ball to the Mavs for Anthony Davis. This one was floating around yesterday a little bit. And it's interesting to me. So the rough structure of this deal would be something like Anthony Davis and DeAngelo Russell or one of the other small contracts for the Mavs. I know Mavs fans are already being driven crazy by D. Lo, because he's

just been in such a massive role as the injuries have piled up. But it'd be Anthony Davis and Dilo or one of the other smaller contracts for Lamello Ball and Colin Sexton. I don't think there would need to be any draft compensation on either side of this deal. Like Anthony Davis is just a much better basketball player than Lamello.

And that would counter any of the additional value you'd get from Lamello's youth. And yeah, Anthony Davis has had health issues, but nothing close to what Lamello has had. In this situation, the Hornets would get this incredible center to essentially be a bridge between

this era and the future. It gives you an opportunity to see if guys like Mousad Bate or Ryan Kalkbrenner could become that foundational center for them. but in the short term, you give Conknit Bull and Brandon Miller a chance to compete with like a legit foundational center in the long term. And then one of the other things too is like Anthony Davis will eventually over the next few seasons have a stretch where he stays healthy for like 30 games or so.

And when that happens, he's going to look awesome because that's how Anthony Davis's career has been. As long as he's healthy and on the floor consistently, he eventually gets in shape and builds rhythm. And when that happens, the Hornets would essentially have an opportunity at that point to trade a rehabbed version of Anthony Davis's value. They could flip him at that point in the future should they so choose. And then on the Mavs front, you get two things. You get a potential young star to pair with Cooper Flagg who would fit really well with him. I think it more appropriately slots Cooper in an off ball role, playing with an advantage, channeling his efforts on defense. I think they complement each other really well. And then you also add a secondary ball handler and Colin

Sexton for a team that is still, even with Lamello, really short on ball handling. And you get kind of excited when you look at a lineup that has like Lamello ball, Max Christie, Cooper Flagg, PJ Washington, and Derek lively. Like, it's pretty damn exciting, right? And those are all guys like Max Christie can knock down a three and drive a closeout. Cooper Flag, as we've talked about, is one of the best readmakers out of a young prospect that I've ever seen. PJ Washington, when we watched him alongside Luca Donchich when he was getting spoon-fed advantages, is a really high-level weak-side score. And Derek lively is that screen and roll threat that's also such a great defensive anchor on the other end of the floor.

You also have four really good defensive players there next to Lamello. I really like that deal for Dallas. And I think you could talk yourself into it if your Charlotte is getting out of the Lamello business, getting a guy that kind of makes you a more serious basketball team in the short term. And if you look at both of those guys as guys with flawed trade value, right. Anthony Davis older had some injury issues. Lamello, you know, somewhat of a kind of like a mercurial type of player who also has injury issues. They both kind of have low value right now. But if you get Anthony Davis and your rehab is value, you could potentially trade him for more down the line. Next, Lamella ball trade.

The Warriors make up for the James Wiseman mistake. This one would be a little bit more complicated to pull off. Like the foundation of the trade would essentially be a Lamello ball for Jonathan Cominga, but it would get tricky from there. The Warriors would have to aggregate some salaries. And they don't have a lot of salaries to aggregate because of their three massive contracts. So it'd probably be like Buddy healed and Moses Moody added to the deal. And you hate to lose a guy like Moses Moody in a deal like that, but you basically have to if you wanted to get a guy like Lamello. And the Hornets would have to clear some roster spots in order to make this all happen. But once again, similar to the Dallas trade, I don't think there'd have to be

too much in the way of draft compensation going either way. Like, if you're Charlotte, Moody and Cominga's a really nice return for Lamello. And essentially, if you look at it from both perspectives, Charlotte would get a really nice power forward prospect to pair with Brandon Miller. I think they'd eventually get off of Miles Bridges in a separate deal. I think Caminga just because of his first step quickness and he just has like a little bit more of that. I'll actually say he has considerably more like one-on-one potential in the big picture.

I think he's a prospect that I like better than a guy like Miles Bridges. And Moses Moody is like a awesome two-way wing to help bolster them on both ends of the floor. Golden State would get a legitimate secondary shot creator off of Steph. I think it would be kind of clunky at first, but, you know, you could argue the short-term returns would not be very good. But at the very least, they'd have a foundational piece to look at for the era after Steph, the guy you build the offense around when Steph retires. Now, once again, to be very clear, if I ran the Warriors, I would not do this deal. but I could totally see Joe Lacob stepping in and making something like this happen just with some of the control that he has on the team.

The last trade that I'll pitch to you guys today, the Spurs partner Lamello with Wembe. So this deal would essentially just be Deere and Fox for Lamella Ball. It might involve a three-team construct where Deer and Fox gets rerouted. That kind of just depends on what value Charlotte would see in Deer and Fox. Fox is only 27, so maybe Charlotte would give it a shot with him, but I could see him getting rerouted. But I like the idea in theory for San Antonio.

They get a legit offensive engine to pair with Victor Wemann Yama. They could get the deal done without having to give up any of the other young guards. You can keep a Dylan Harper and Steph Castle is essentially insurance. It kind of like solves your timeline issue in the sense that like, I think Steph Castle and Dylan Harper are both guys that have potential to become all stars in this league. But it might be three, four years before they get to that level. And Victor Wemianyama is ready to be. first team all NBA this season. He's ready to be competing for a championship this season. And so

you have this like kind of upside in the sense that you get this big offensive engine type of weapon in Lamello that can grease the wheels for you on offense. You can completely support him on the defensive end of the floor because you have such big athletic guards and because you have Victor Wemniama underneath the basket. You can withstand Lamello's injuries. Like you have strong infrastructure. Like that team just won a game without Wemby or. Lamello theory, you know, in this theoretical situation, right? Now, I think they have that type of infrastructure to where they could withstand Lamello playing 55, 65 games in a season. And again, the big thing there is he could be the guy that could finally be the type of player that sets Wemby up with

easy opportunities. Something we've talked about forever. Getting Wemby more advantages from a really high-level pick and roll ball handler. And there's potential there with Dieran Fox to be clear, but Lamello would certainly be better in that role. Now, this is where it gets tricky because like I said in the other two deals, like I wouldn't do these deals. I mean, Dallas, you could talk yourself into it because of Anthony Davis. But if I was Golden State or another one of these more serious teams, I would have to give up like a substantial asset wouldn't do it, right?

But, you know, Anthony Davis is kind of a distressed asset in and of himself. And in the San Antonio situation, like, if you keep all your draft compensation and you keep Dylan Harper and you keep Steph Castle, it's kind of relatively low risk. Like if I was San Antonio, I'd think long and hard about that one. Today's show is brought to you by our new presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet. It's our favorite time of year.

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Kaminga, team sources said, had voiced to Kerr a desire to be coached harder. There was even a meeting about it in the Sacramento Hotel prior to their ninth game of the season. And Kerr appeared to make it a point during the King's game to call Kaminga over and get on him constructively several times. But four and one became six and six. Kaminga's knees began bothering him,

his defensive juice and burst to the rim lessened. He went one for nine shooting at home against the Pacers, missing all five of his threes. Coach's dinged him for his perimeter shot selection as a reason for his minutes reduction to a season low 20. And for the Warriors to reach their ceiling this season, there is an internal belief that Jonathan Kaminga, even in a condensed role,

must shake off some of his built-up resentment and get back to the impact wing from the first couple of weeks, even if the long-term benefit for both sides is more about a bump in trade value, than a partnership. Again, all that from Anthony Slater from ESPN. I said right after the Oklahoma City game

when those comments were made, that it felt like they were scapegoating Kaminga again. The Golden State stars themselves all came out like shit against the thunder, got their butts kicked, and then they went into the pressers and blamed the young guys. Now, here's the truth.

The Warriors are 9 and 8 because of their schedule. That's it. After I'm recording this, I'm recording with Adam Maris from DNVR. we're doing that all-MBA show. And one of the topics we're doing today is recovering teams that are better than their record and teams that are worse than their record. And you know what team I picked for the team that's better than their record?

The Golden State Warriors. They're nine and eight because they have a team built around four guys in their late 30s and they had 17 games in 28 days to start the season. So there's no reason to blame anyone. Steph has been bad in some games. We talked about the Oklahoma City game. Steph was bad in the Oklahoma City game. Steph was really bad in the Indiana Pacers game.

It was a big part of why they lost that game, the one on the road. Jimmy's been bad at points. Draymond's been bad at points. Jonathan Kaminga's been bad at points. So has Moses Moody and Brandon Pajemski. They've all been beaten into the ground by the schedule. And that's what makes this pump fake from Golden State so bizarre. Like early in the season, when things are going good,

Jonathan Kamingka's in the starting lineup, everyone's singing Jonathan Kamingas praises. And for good reason, he's, he's, he, was playing well. And again, did he tail off as things got harder? Yeah, but so did everyone else. And this is where it comes back to the same damn thing we've been arguing about all damn summer in all the last year and a half or so. Is Jonathan Kaminga a great fit with the Golden State Warriors? Obviously not. Even with him playing better to start the season, the on-off numbers continue to show that the team is better without him because he's not a great fit.

But I don't think he's to blame for the nine and eight start. And again, the Warriors had every opportunity to move on from the Kaminga era this summer. The only reason they didn't is because they didn't want to lose him as an asset for nothing. And because when they shopped him, they weren't happy with the return they were being offered in those sign-in traits. So it's like this complete disillusionment, so to speak, surrounding his value. So they decided to bring him back and here we are. And when things are good, it's Kaminga's finally buying in. And when things are bad, it's the young guys aren't all pulling in the same direction as us.

And again, like, I know that both sides have blame in this. But one of the sides is a bunch of grown-ass middle-aged, men who know better. And the other side is a 23-year-old talented basketball player who's been jerked around for four and a half years. So of course he's kicking and screaming a bit. I lack any form of sympathy for the Warriors in the situation. And I cannot wait for the saga to be over. All right, let's get into our mailbag. I'll get to a Warriors question first here, since we're on the Warriors. who between Trey Murphy or Herb Jones fits the Warriors fits what the Warriors need.

Is it the third scoring option in Trey Murphy or the lockdown point of attack defender and Herb Jones that will elevate the Warriors into contender status? So I've had this debate with Warriors fans at various points over the last few months. I had it with Tommy and Sam from the Light Years podcast like about a month or two ago. And, you know, they kind of both leaned more towards the Herb Jones type. Essentially, they want a big athletic forward. like we talked about it in the context of like an Andrew Wiggins versus a Jordan Poole. Which version do the Warriors need? Do the Warriors need what Jordan Poole was to the 2022

Warriors or do they need what Andrew Wiggins was to the 22 Warriors? Those are, that's kind of where the path bifurcate, so to speak, right? And Trey is essentially that scoring forward type that would add offensive pop to the team. And Herb Jones is your stereotypical three and the kind of athlete, right? So they kind of in this mailback question that you're pitching, they represent both ends. of that discussion. For me, I maintain that I think they need scoring. I think ultimately the biggest problem the Warriors have

is that when the young guys and everybody down the roster, whether it's Jimmy being able to score and carry bench units or it's Draymond Green knocking down catching two threes or it's Moody and pods going for 30 points on any given night rather than 15, I think it's the inconsistent offense off of Steph that continues to be a problem for this team. I always believe in their ability to scale up defensively

when they need to. So for me, I would be targeting someone more along the lines of a Trey Murphy. That said, either player would help the team. I'm not going to sit here and pretend like Herb Jones wouldn't help the Warriors, but to me you have a guy in Moses Moody who provides a rough approximation of that. that. No, he's not as good as Herb, but he provides a rough approximation of that, a guy who can

guard the opposing team's best player, the guy who's better at it than Jonathan Cominga, because he's better and more disruptive with his hands, a guy that can bring some catch and shoot play, attacking closeouts, even bring some movement shooting too, although Herb Jones has built out some of his more refined offensive game as well, but to me, you already have a guy that kind of roughly approximates that. Trey Murphy represents something you don't have, like a legit heat check wing score. A guy that can come in and like, like consistently give you in that 20 to 25 points range. A guy that's not going to have as many nights where he just is a non factor on the offensive end of the floor. So for me, whether it's Trey Murphy or it's someone else, I lean towards

the Warriors need scoring pop. They need someone that can come in for a five minute stretch when Steph checks out of the game and legit like, like provide the offensive explosion to carry those units. That's the kind of guy that I would be targeting if I was the Warriors. Hey, Jason, love the show. I had a simple idea of actually increasing the length of the season while keeping the same amount of games. Get rid of back-to-backs. Guarantee there's at least one day between games and two days between games for long flights. Also make the two playoff series best of five, but I doubt the league would do that otherwise like your idea. So here's the thing. I think the problem with lengthening the season is it's already so fucking long. Like,

I mean, it's legitimately a nine-month journey when you include some of the other details like summer league and free agency. Like it goes from the beginning of October all the way to the middle of July. Now, if you zoom in on just the games, we're going from, like, guys are showing up for training camp in early October and they're playing basketball at a minimum to mid-April. and in many cases to late April, early May, sometimes even as far as early June. That's an extremely long season. And when you factor in that the guy's got to spend a month ramping up for training camp, too, it's already too long. I don't think you're going to be able to convince NBA players to be like,

hey, you guys know how you show up on October 1st in shape? How about we show up on September 1st in shape? I just don't think you're going to be able to get NBA players to buy in to that idea. That said, I do think like the idea of like trying to get. rid of back-to-backs and making the schedule more, um, more tenable for the, for all of the players is a good idea. I just think you do it by reducing the number of games.

Love your point about like, having long flights cross, cross-country travel be surrounded around two days off and things like that. Just find ways to make it much more manageable for the players. Um, as far as the playoff series go, I think the NBA playoffs are like, especially the first round. Like, I mean, we see it in our numbers with the way we cover the league.

like the first and second round of the playoffs are literally, literally the highlight of the NBA season in many cases. So I don't think there's any point in reducing the volume there. I would keep 7-7-77 for the four rounds and just find a way to shorten the number of regular season games to accomplish the goals you're talking about with removing back-to-backs and making cross-country travel more easy to manage. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented. it a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. A pretty, yeah, pretty

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Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHart Radio app, podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. You often mention how you feel the Lakers need an athletic starting caliber wing,

or three, in order to truly contend in the top Western conference. While I do agree, the Lakers could use a good wing, I find that a far more glaring weakness in the starting lineup is the absence of a true defensive one, a truly elite point-of-attack guard with excellent screen navigation to unlock more coverage versatility and keep the opposing quicker guards in check. Replacing Rui who was such a player in the starting lineup would also push everybody else towards a more natural defensive role. Austin becomes your two. Luca gets to defend wings where he's shown some success and so on. Why do you feel like replacing Rui with an athletic wing

would improve the roster when it doesn't seem to address the most glaring hole at true perimeter speed? Thanks as always love the show. So to me, I'm looking for a three that can guard ones. That's kind of the point. Like there's, you know, you mentioned a very interesting point having to do with, you know, screen navigation. But there's many ways to defend in drop coverage. So what you're talking about with the coverage versatility is so right now with the laker starters with ruy in there they want to switch they want to switch because everyone's slow and big so the idea is if you switch and contain keep the ball in front you have good help recover uh on the back line you can essentially just kind of tilt the defense towards the shots you want to live with and allow yourself to defend

fine in the large sample haven't done it well this year yet at least not in the short sample we saw with uh in the utah game but i think there's there's an ability for that coverage to work we talked about that a little bit in the Lakers Collective pod yesterday. But it gets complicated because if you want to run drop coverage, you need to have someone that can get over screens. There's multiple ways to do that, though. There's the case in Wallace, like, I'm attached to your hip the whole damn way, and I'm, like, getting over the top and staying attached and making you uncomfortable.

But then there's the length and rearview contest way of looking at it, right? this is like kind of like the Jaden McDaniels, Herb Jones type of archetype where it's like they're still fast. They don't necessarily stay as attached, but they have such good length that when they're back pressuring, they still get in the offensive player's head because they feel like if they rise up in the mid range, they're going to get blocked from behind, which then can trick them into essentially forcing their penetration further into the rim where now you have your drop coverage big weighting. it's essentially a funnel, right? You're funneling them into that big man. Casein Wallace archetype's going to do it by staying attached. Herb Jones archetype is going to do it

by using his length pressuring from behind. Right. So like those are like the two different ways to do it. To me, I still look at that roster as like needing kind of like length and athleticism rather than just speed on the perimeter. You need both. But if you can find a three that accomplishes a version of both, that is where you're cooking with grease, or cooking with gas, right? So like, for instance, I've talked about Andrew Wiggins. Now, Andrew Wiggins, to me, is in his 30s now. So, like, I don't think he necessarily makes sense for the big picture goals of the Lakers. But strictly viewing it through the short term, he's an example of what I'm talking about. A big, fast athlete who

brings speed, who brings athleticism, who is an excellent rebounder, but that you can also deploy on the other team's best player and has some versatility. Because again, the other thing that you're forgetting here is like, let's say you have a, um, uh, more of an athletic one that you bring in and you have like this, let's just use a Davion Mitchell, for example. Davy on Mitchell at the one, Austin, Luca, LeBron and DeAndre Aiton. What happens when you run into some of the bigger, uh, you know, bigger ball handlers in the league? Like, is Shay, is Shay goes Alexander just going to shoot over the top of

Davion Mitchell every single time, right? Like, there's a certain amount of like, size and position that you deal with there too. the idea of finding more of a three that is a like perimeter defender type a la Andrew Wiggins but the reason why we keep coming back to Herb Jones is he's a younger player to where like you can at least convince yourself if you're making that trade like if you trade a first round pick for Andrew Wiggins you're trading a first round pick for a guy that doesn't necessarily fit Austin and Lucas timeline. You trade a first round pick for Herb Jones you could be like this is our starting three for the next five years like this is legitimately

a foundational piece next to Austin and Luca. That's a guy who can guard an opposing point guard Guard an opposing, like, can he guard a Chey Gildes Alexander, Devin Booker, a bigger forward, like a Kawhi Leonard? Can he guard like all of these different types of players? Can he guard a Jamal Murray? Can he guard like, can he guard a Tyrese maxi? Can he guard like these various different types of ball handlers? That's where like a traditional kind of like three makes sense as a guy that could kind of round things out. for that unit.

Tim Legler on the All-MBA podcast, me use that the injury spree in the NBA right now is caused by a lack of preseason prep from teams and athletes. He remarked that the NBA is much less physical than when he played, and that players are just not doing enough to prepare themselves for the 82.

Do you agree with this? Personally, I think that's bogus and surprisingly short-sided take from a guy I generally respect. I think your take and most of the new school analysis are 100% on the money. The NBA has grown into a far more physically demanding and taxing game that used to be

due to the speed and pay of play lateral movement. And 82 games is just far too many for the intensity of the current game. Love the show man. Keep up the good work. Yeah, similarly, I have the utmost respect for Tim Legler,

but I just disagree with that point of view. There's a lot of, I think every basketball player has a certain affinity for their era. And I think that that can color everybody's analysis. Like I, you bet your ass that 20 years from now, I will probably be the guy that's like, back in the 2010s,

you know, they played this way and it was better. you know, like that's just human nature, right? I think like there's the points you made are all pretty obvious, right? Like the game is insanely fast. Way more possessions in transition, way more sprinting. Even within the half court, there's way more speed. There's way more attacks on each possession, the side to side, the drive-in-kick

basketball, the amount of times that you're sprinting, closing out, planting, changing direction, and then all of a sudden turning it running the other way up the floor, or like, it is just much harder on the body. And, again, we're not seeing dudes, like, according to the physicality that Tim Legler is referencing. We're not seeing, like, a bunch of dislocated shoulders and, like, and, like, broken wrists and, like, injuries that come from physicality. We're seeing soft tissue injuries and ligament injuries.

We're seeing Achilles, ACL, calf strains, hamstring strains. That's the kind of stuff that we're seeing. And that is all associated with the human body. basically just not being able to withstand the grind of the NBA regular season, now with how fast the game is played and how much body movement there is in any given game. Next question. Help me make sense. We have two more. Help me make sense of this Raptors team and their success this year. No superstars and it feels a lot like the Pacers last year. So we did a Raptor segment last week on Friday and then we hit them again at one point earlier this week. So I'm not going to go too far into it.

But the very short version of it is they've, after kind of a rough start, of the season. They've recaptured some of their defensive identity from the tail end of last year. They're a very good defensive team. They're getting out in transition a ton, which is part of that like defense to transition attack that is super successful in the modern NBA. You get stops. You run, when you run out in transition, you're roughly 20% more efficient than you are in the half court. It's just an opportunity to build additional margin. The surprise has been they, you know, one of the things we talked about coming into the season is they've got a lot of playmaking talent. They've got a lot of guys that can pass the basketball. So we talked about in the half court, like, they got shooting

issues, but what if they're just, like, surgical in their playmaking ability? And that's what's manifested. They've played really impressive drive-and-kick basketball. They're a high assist percentage team. They move the ball well. And then to your point about the superstars, like, I know they don't have necessarily bona fide superstars, but Scotty Barnes and Brandon Ingram can make some plays. And like, they had a game the other day. I'm trying to remember who it was they were playing. But we talked about it on the show. But Brandon, I think it was Charlotte. And Brandon Ingram, or Scotty Barnes, like, back Miles bridges down in the post and, like, dunked on his ass. And then, like, went down and had a huge block on, I think Brandon Ingram had a huge block on Mason Plumley at the rim.

And then, or Calcrenner, I can't remember one of the hornets bigs. I think it was called Brenner. They go down the other end of Brandon Ingram, like, makes a beautiful read out of a post up to a guy cutting down the lane to RJ Barrett, I think, who gets a little layup. And they go down to the other end. And then Archie, and then Scotty Barnes gets a huge block right at the rim that cleans up a play. like Scotty Barnes and Brandon Ingram can kind of leverage themselves to make superstar-esque plays, which can help them win games on the margins. Lastly, hey Jason, great episode as always.

Coming up on a quarter of the season played, who would be your MVP so far? Do you think Shay will go back to back because of how transcendent OKC has been? Personally, I have Luca in first. He just has to keep playing that way. He has all the season. He has, keep playing the way he has all season and playing up games. What are your thoughts? So it's interesting because I think all four.

four of the top guys have had good cases for different reasons. Like, Janice and Luca have done the most with the least, right? Like, with how often, with who's been available for the Lakers, and with just the limitations of the Bucks roster in general, those are two pretty limited teams that have won at a pretty high rate

because of just how transcendently good Luca and Janus have been. Now, Luca has one more. I think he's eight and three in the 11 games he's played. So I'd probably give a slight edge to Luca there. Luke has been absurd. He's averaging like, what, 34 and a half, nine and nine to start the year on like 62% true shooting. Like, Luke has been outrageous. But then the other two guys have very good cases for different reasons. Like, Yokic very much has the, I'm still the best player in the world case.

And I think he's shown that over the last few weeks. He's been absolutely ridiculous. He's averaging like a, like a, I can't remember the exact numbers, but he's like close to like 33, 34 points per game and like 12 rebounds, 12 assists per game. absurdly efficient. Like Yokic has been absurd over the last few weeks. He looks like the best player in the world. And Shays, I think, like 15 and 1 when he plays. So like we talked about it, there's so many different ways to build an MVP case.

Like, who's doing the most for their particular team and making the most out of the least? That's where Luca and Yonis land. Who's the best player on the best team? That's where Shay lands. And who's the best player? That's Nicole Yokic, right? I think all four players are very good cases. I'd probably give the slight edge to Luca at this point, but I think it's roughly,

a tie between all four of those guys. And you mentioned the big key there. What's going to ultimately end up measuring all of this is in the big picture, how many games do these guys play? And how many games do their teams win? Like, if Shea wins 17 more games than the second place team in the West, he's winning MVP. But if the Lakers are only six or seven games back,

Luke is getting MVP. If the nuggets are only two or three games. games back. Yokic is getting MVP, right? If Janus and the Bucks finished with the two seed in the East, Janus is probably getting MVP, right? So like, there's all those different factors that kind of have to shake out. That's why it's just kind of too early for this sort of thing. But if you ask me to give an edge right now, I'd give the edge to Luca because I think he's done the most with the least, while also combining it with wins to this point. All right, guys, it's all I have for today. As always, I sincerely appreciate you guys for supporting us and supporting the show. I hope you all have

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