The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hoops Tonight - Top 25 NBA Players Honorable Mentions: Jalen Williams, Dylan Harper, Stephon Castle + rank criteria

Episode Date: August 5, 2026

Jason kicks off the Hoops Tonight 2026 NBA Player Rankings with an explanation of the criteria, plus listing out all the players who were just outside the top 25, including Jalen Williams (OKC Thunder), Dylan Harper and Stephon Castle (San Antonio Spurs), Deni Avdija (Portland Trail Blazers), Pascal Siakam (Indiana Pacers), and many more. All lines presented by Hard Rock Bet.  #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are starting our annual player rankings. We've done this what? So 22, 3, 4, 5, 6. So this is our fifth edition of player rankings. We're going to be doing this for the next couple of months. This is our big thing that we do every single summer. Today we're going to be starting with, I want to break down kind of the rules of the list, how we actually do the rankings.

I want to talk a little bit about how the progression of the episode. will be over the course of the summer. And then we have our first batch of players today. I'm starting outside the top 25 though. So I've got seven players who were considered for the top 25, but that just missed the cut. But I think they're all deserving of a shout out anyway. So we're going to be hitting those seven players today. Then on Friday, we will start the actual top 25 with players 25, 24 and 23. You guys know the joke before we started to subscribe to Hoops tonight YouTube channel. So you don't miss any more of our videos. We're trying to get to 150,000 subs and we need about 7,000 more. So you guys can help us a lot by

scrolling down hitting that subscribe button. If you already subscribe, like this video, sign up for post notifications. That helps us a lot. And then mailbags, we will be doing mailbags, not this week, but starting next Friday through the entire player rankings series. And the idea of our mailbags is I want them to feel like a debate. So if you disagree with a ranking, a player that you think should have been on the list or a player that you think shouldn't have been on the list or a player that you think is too high, too low, a specific debate between two players that you disagree with, right? Mailbag, colon underneath the full episode and give a breakdown of why you disagree. And we will be going through those debates

in our mailbags on Fridays throughout the series. All right, let's talk some basketball. So there are so many different ways to do a player rankings list. You could have like a who's the best regular season player. Obviously, that's more or less what our MVP debate is every year, right? Who's the best player to have for, you know, that famous like, okay, the end. aliens have come to earth and we need to save the world with a basketball player playing, you know, one on one or a player to lead a team that's going five on five against the aliens, like for one game to save the world, like who's your one dude that you want for that environment, who's the best player for a playoff run? There's a very much like a who's doing the most winning

right now kind of thing. Like Bill Simmons has always referred to this as like the belt, right? We've had this conversation on the show before like bragging rights. Like who's the player that's winning the most right now that has best claim based solely on like their impact on team success. There's a bunch of different ways to have these sorts of lists, right? And last year, we ended up settling finally. I've had various different criteria over the years. But last year we ended up settling on a new criteria that is stuck for me. And it's what I think makes the most sense. And we're going to stick with that again for this year. But again, this is just my way of doing the rankings. I don't expect you guys to rank players in the same way, and I don't

expect you to agree with this list. The new criteria from last year that we're repeating this year is very simple. Who is the best player to lead a basketball team, regardless of surrounding circumstances from the start of training camp all the way through to the end of the playoffs? There are several things to keep in mind with that criteria. One, regardless of surrounding circumstances. So again, like a player that is playing on a better roster could have more team success, could be more efficient because the basketball that's taking place around them is just easier. I am going to consider that player on the same playing field as a player that's playing on a very flawed roster. I'll use Luca and Shea here as an example. And I'm not saying anything

about where I have them ranked, but like Shea is playing on a top tier contender roster with like better jump shooting talent, better perimeter defense talent, better rim protecting talent. Luca's playing with no starting small forward and no power forward on his team, no starting power forward. So like the roster differences between them, I can't just go, oh, OKC wins more games every year, therefore Shay is better. It's a more complicated discussion that I'm going to have about the basketball and I'm going to factor all those things in when I'm making that ranking. Secondly, from the start of training camp to playoffs. So during, ability matters here. Can you carry a team through the 82 games and keep them high in the

standings? Can you physically survive a playoff run? Sticking with the Luca and Shea comp in the same way that Luca is going to get, you know, somewhat graded on a curve because his roster isn't as good. Luca is going to hurt. It's going to hurt Luca in that debate when we talk about durability. Do I trust Shea Gildes Alexander more to play through the season, play more games, and to be physically in shape when they get to a big playoff game. I do trust Shea more than Luca there. So again, we're going to be talking about

these things in a vacuum and we're considering durability when we talk about the entire campaign from the start of training camp through to potentially mid-June. But I am giving a large boost to playoff upside. Ultimately, we're trying

to win the championship, right? Sticking with the Shay and Luca comp, like Shegivers Alexander has had a repeated history of going down a level when he gets into the postseason. His scoring efficiency falls off of a cliff when he gets into the playoffs every year. That's going to hurt him compared to like a player we're going to talk about today. Look at like a Palo Boncaro who every single year in the postseason becomes a better version of the player he was in the regular season.

Now, Palo's not in the same stratosphere of She. I'm just using him as an example of like guys who are playoff risers to me are going to get a boost and guys who are playoff dropers to me are going to get a little bit. of a drop, right? And then lastly, projecting forward, I am not talking about what just happened in the last campaign. This is a list that is meant to signify who I think is the best from October of 2026 through June of 2027. Now, the biggest indicator of future performance is past performance, so we're certainly going to look at recent data, but we know that young basketball players tend to improve in leaps and bounds. So I will factor that in. Some of

young players that I expect to be much better this year. Old basketball players, they just get older. You know, like LeBron had sciatica last year. Steph Curry literally said at the end of last season that like the stuff with his knee is kind of just something he has to deal with now. That's part of the story when you have LeBron or Steph leading your team from October to mid-June. So again, those are the, that those are the kinds of things that I want you to keep in mind as we work through this list. I'm not considering the talent that is surrounding them. I'm thinking about literally like a fantasy draft, okay, starting from scratch.

Who's the best player for me to build a team around, regardless of the surrounding circumstances they currently have? Durability from the start of camp to playoffs. I'm giving a boost to players that perform at a high level in the postseason, and we are projecting forward to the upcoming campaign. So young players and old players will experience some of those shifts accordingly. Now, how the list will go. We'll have honorable mention today. I have seven different players we're hitting today. We're going to go three at a time for the next five videos. So that will take us through 25 all the way through 11. Okay. Then we're going to go one at a time through the top 10.

We will have mailbags every Friday starting next Friday. So this whole thing should last about eight weeks. And then we'll be in late September and we'll be into our season previews and gearing up for another campaign. So that's how this list will go. Now, a little breakdown of the entirety of the list. list. We have a lot of talent in the NBA this season, even just compared to last year. I was pulling up last year's rankings when I was done. I didn't even pull up last years until I was finished kind of making the list this year. But last year's breakdown, we had four top tier superstars, 10 second tier superstars and 26 third tier stars. Now before I kind of break that, before I go to the next season, I want to kind of explain what I mean by that. Top tier superstars to me are players that you can just bank on them being awesome. night in and night out. They are perennial MVP candidates. They are, they operate at a level of

consistency that separates them from the players below them. Okay. And again, that always is going to be a really short list to me. But that's what a top tier superstar is in my book. A second tier superstar is a player that on any given night can match the level of impact of those top tier superstars, but they struggled to be consistent with it for one of three reasons. Either one, they've reached some sort of like talent plateau where they just don't quite have the talent of those guys. So they need a certain swing factor in their game like their jump shot, for example, to be going in at a super high level to be able to match the high level,

the high players in the league, right? Or two, they're older. So like, this is your Stephs, your LeBron's, your KDs, your Kwai Leonard's, your Joel and Beads. where like whether it's through age or injury history, they're at a point where just physically they struggle to stay at that level. But on any given night, any one of those dudes,

if their legs feel great, like they can just, they can absolutely match the top players in the league, even the Lukas and the Shay's and the Yokic's and the Wembe's, right? Going to that, um, uh,

the last type of second tier superstar, the young up-in-coming superstar, meaning like they still have the potential to join that. top tier, but they're still inconsistent or have some sort of skill gap that they need to rectify before they can enter that group. So that's what our second tier superstars are. Any given night, they can be a top tier guy. They struggle to be consistent, usually because they're too young, they're too old, or they've reached a plateau that just kind of prevents them from reaching that level, but they have a swing skill that if it goes in, it pushes them up to that level. Third tier stars,

these are just really, really, really good basketball players. Yes, they're capable of scoring 30 points in a game. Yes, they're capable of having all around impact in some way, shape, or form. But they just lack that ceiling of being able to reach the level of the top tier superstars in the league. Now, again, last year, I had four top tier guys. Okay, that was Lucas Cheye,

Lucas Chey, Yokic and Janus. Okay, we have a fifth this year. You can probably take a while guessing who that's going to be, but we'll get to that when we get higher up in the list. We had 10 second tier superstars, 26 third tier stars that I considered. for 40 total players that we considered for the top 25. This year, five top tier superstars, 13 second tier superstars as we've had several players

a break into that group. And then I had 33 players that I considered third tier stars. So 51 players that I considered for the top 25. It's just extremely difficult to make a list like this. Go ahead and try. Just sketch out, grab a piece of paper, open up your notes app and just rough draft put together a top 25. you'll find out pretty quickly that there's a lot of guys in the late 20s, early 30s where you're like,

man, it's hard to, it's hard to argue this guy this low or this high or so on and so forth. That's tough. But I started with those 51 players. You start breaking guys off, right? Like I broke off my top tier stars. I broke off my second tier stars. From there, I had because I had 18 players, I had seven spots left. But I had 33 players to consider for those seven spots. So I broke that list into two. two groups, players that I very seriously considered and players that I never really strongly considered for that top 25 beyond just viewing them as in that tier of players, right? So here's 33 through 51. So these are all the players that I considered third tier stars, but that I did not strongly consider for the top 25. Again, really important here. These are not

in order. The rest of this list will be in order. These are not in order. I'm just listing them, but 33 through 51, Lori Markinen, Jamal Murray. Kiante George, James Hardin, Austin Reeves, Jalen Johnson, Brandon Ingram, Julius Randall, Zion Williamson, Alpern Shangoon, Anthony Davis, Damien Lillard, Lamello Ball, Jimmy Butler, Jaron Jackson, Darius Garland, Deer & Fox, Trey Young, Jaden McDaniels. But just random guy in there, Jimmy Butler, a reason why he's this far down on the list, because again, we're talking about training camp 2026 through June of 2027 and he's rehabbing an ACL tear, right? So his value is lesser in this particular season. But again, those are the guys that I considered third tier

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Palibon Kare. One of the biggest gaps between floor and ceiling of any star in the NBA, the last four games of his first round series against Detroit. to the perfect example. In game four, he goes for 18 points on four for 18 shooting. Game five, he goes for 45 on 17 of 31 shooting. Game six, he goes for 17 points on four for 20. And in game seven, he goes for 38 on 14 for 25. He's just an absolute physical monster, which makes him very well suited for the playoff environment, right? Just gets so physical and it's just hard to keep him from getting to his spots. And when he has his jump shot going, he's basically unguardable, because you kind of have to let him shoot to have any hope of keeping that big physical presence

in front of you, right? And when he's making shots, he tends to get confident. All of a sudden, his command of the floor goes up a level. It's pretty incredible to watch. He just becomes a completely different player in that postseason environment than he is in the regular season. And he's had some games like that were borderline superstar level performances. It's how bad he was in the other games that prevent him from being one of those second tier stars. But he like, we talked to about those two games he had in game five and game seven he had a 25 12 and nine in game three in that series again some pretty high level performances but we're now heading into year five for palo he's made literally zero progress as an over the top score like in terms of mid range jump shooting

long range jump shooting hook shots things along those lines and then he's made very little progress as a processor in the half court and so that has prevented him from reaching the level that he's capable of getting to but he's earned a reputation as one of the best playoff risers in the NBA. He had 19 playoff games so far through his career after last season, 27, 9 and 5 in those 19 playoff games. But until he can figure out that inconsistency, until he can develop the refined offensive skill, he'll struggle to reach his full potential. That said, if you're a magic fan or really any of us who have been watching, it's hard to not still believe in him, at least to some extent, because the playoff rising is just so

ridiculous and his physical tools are so off the charts. 31 and 30 I'm lumping together, Steph Castle and Dylan Harper. I had both of the Spurs guards here. I'm extremely high on them just for different reasons. Steph Castle had a lot on his plate as a ball handler in this playoff run. In a way that kind of exposed how unrefined he is at this point, probably more than his fair for a player of his age.

It's not a lot of players who are like second year guards who are taking on significant ball handling responsibility, you know, in the Western Conference finals and then still in the NBA finals. Like it's just a lot to ask. And so it led to like ugly, sloppy turnovers, some really bad high turnover games. He took 70. This is crazy. I was blown away when I looked at this number this morning.

He took 70 pull up jump shots in the playoffs. That's a lot. And he wasn't efficient on them. But it's because he was in such a high usage role. And the jump shot in general is kind of like streaky for him right now. He uses his opposite hand quite a bit. So he just, you know, has some left right misses. There's no doubt that he has a ton to work.

work on. But he's already one of the apex perimeter defenders in the NBA did the best job on Shaigilis Alexander. We've literally ever seen a defender do on him. He's a great rebounder for guard. And then when it came to like standstill three point shooting when he was unguarded, he was 38% on 45 attempts in that postseason run. This is why he's received Drew Holiday Cumps. Like he's going to be a legit ball handler in this league eventually. Even with all of his flaws, he had 18 points per game and six assists on 59% true shooting in that playoff run. That's high level stuff. And you left feeling like he's barely scratching the surface and he's still super flawed. That's the crazy part. He plays off of two feet. He's always on balance. He never seems to have any problem

getting by his man and getting into the paint at will. He has all sorts of upside as a passer. He's very good at the skip pass and pick and roll and taking advantage of Wemby's roll gravity, very good lob passer. And again, that's, that's just, the stuff he's going to be great at in the future. Right now, he's already a legit two-way role player. He's literally in the very top tier of perimeter defenders in the entire NBA. He can knock down open catch and shoot threes. He can rebound at a high level. I just think he's going to have an incredible season this year. I think we're going to see a legit offensive leap out of him continued all defense level contributions on the other end of the floor. I'm just a big believer in

Steph Castle. I had him at 31. Number 30, Dylan Harper, just a superstar garden of making. Every year we have guys who take big leaps, right? Like this year, you'll see in our list, like Kate Cunningham and Tyrese maxi, both took big leaps for me compared to last year's list. I think Harper is going to be one of our biggest leaps in next year's list in the 2027 list. I'd be shocked if he wasn't in like the top 17, top 18. I always talk about how in the playoffs, it's difficult for players to get to their spots. We were just talking about this. with Palo, right? The defenders are all awesome. The physicality is off the charts because the refs let a lot go. The schemes are advanced and built around your weaknesses that are super

tough to handle. So when you see a player who can comfortably get separation from playoff defenses, it always gets my attention. All playoff run last year, Dylan Harper was smoking dudes off the dribble, breaking dudes off in the midrange with pullback dribbles and spin moves and other counters. Now, finishing is another story. We know that his jump shot came and went like I do. I have that in my, burned in my memory that game five layup that he missed at the end of the NBA finals. I could have tied it. But again, you look at it. It's like he was smoking everybody in transition, just dribbling right around them and elevating over everybody. He was right there. He just happened to miss a layup. And he, he shot 65% in the playoffs at the rim,

which is an insane number for a small guard. But he was consistently getting by people, getting good looks at the rim, even the mid rangers and stuff that he missed. It's like they were open because you can't stop him from getting to the basket without taking these massive retreat steps where he just gets into your body and bounces off with that pullback dribbler, that spin move. And he has like 10 feet of separation in the mid range. Like once the play finishing comes around, he's going to be a problem. I think I think both Steph Castle and Dylan Harper are going to take big leaps next year. I think Steph is going to just continue to develop into that super versatile two-way player, kind of a Swiss Army knife guard. And I think Dylan is just,

the textbook superstar shot creator on the rise. Good time to be a Spurs fan. I think there's a very good chance that both of those players crack our top 25 next year. Number 29, Pascal Seaccom. Pascal was under the radar last year for obvious reasons on that terrible Pacers team that was very much having a gap year. predictably, his scoring volume went up because of the loss of Halliburton and the additional usage, but his efficiency went down under the tougher shot quality.

But I still very much view him as one of the most useful role players in the NBA. he brings an extremely useful combination of traits. Great size for his position and length, extremely mobile for his size. He's got this like Shagios Alexander-esque ability to kind of split gaps and find angles to the rim. Great offensive versatility can legitimately score from all three levels and can do it both on and off the ball.

He's a good defender, a good rebounder. I mean, we're talking about a guy who's the second best player in a finals team literally just one year ago. I looked at the three different guys that kind of fit this archetype for me, like really high level role player talent on a list that is otherwise made up of, you know, centers and ball handlers, right? And the three guys that I looked at were Jada McDaniels,

Pascal Seaccom and Ogen and O'Anobie. And they all ended up in different groups, right? Like Jada McDaniels, as you guys heard, didn't even make my top 32, right? Like he was one of those guys who was not very seriously considered. Seacum comes into at 29. you guys will see where Ogen and Obe ends up. But like they're all kind of, they're,

they're in that ilk of like three, four hybrid role player who is like a, like clearly worth a hell of a lot more than your traditional like three and D wing because they bring more to the table. Jaden's probably the best defender in the group. And Pascal Seacom is obviously a much better offensive player than Jaden McDaniels. OJ&OB and the reason why he ended up better than both of them. And you'll see where he ends up on the list has. to do with the fact that he can do both. I thought OG

kind of brings the best of both of those guys to the table as like a legitimate defensive weapon, but also this like very versatile offensive player with high level shot creation, which you guys will hear about when we get up in the list. But Pascal Seaccombe seriously considered at number 29. Number 28, Evan Mobley. Evan's lack of development on offense has been frustrating. Yet another season or teams just dare him to shoot threes in the playoffs and he can't

knock them down consistently. And he hit some big ones. He had some really important ones over the course of that playoff run. But he finished just nine for 25 on unguarded catch and shoot threes, just six for 18 on pick and pop threes. Famously missed a bunch of those if you guys remember in that crunch time, collapse against the Knicks in game one of the Eastern Conference finals. His shot creation one-on-one hasn't really come around. He was okay in the playoffs,

is 38 points on 40 one-on-one, so post-ups and ISOs, including passes. We're still waiting on an offensive leap from Evan Mobley. but just like I talked about with Siakum, just an incredibly useful basketball player. I think he's actually a tiny bit overrated on defense, but I still think he's insanely good there. I just, you know, you want a defensive player of the year. And I don't view him as, you know, one of the very, very best defensive players in the NBA, the way I do some of the other guys that we've talked about on the show.

But I do think he's insanely good on defense as a rim protector and as a helpside guy and as a versatile perimeter athlete that can switch a little bit onto, onto ball handlers. and he's skilled enough on offense that he's a legit two-way player. I still believe in Mobley in the long run, even though it's been frustrating to this point. There's really, the big question with him is going to be this like, are you going to be Bam out of aisle, or are you going to be something more than that?

And I don't mean that as an insult because Bam, for the records, in our top 25. And I think Bam is better than Evan. But like, I feel like that would be a disappointing plateau for Evan Mobley to hit. in that like just being, you know, one of the top 10 defensive players in the NBA, even though Bam, I think is a better defender than Evan, but like one of those like upper level defenders, but then also like just underwhelming on offense and just kind of hovering in the high teams, low 20s for his entire career with no real consistent, efficient go to move in one-on-ones

or reliable spot up shooting on the perimeter? Like, is he going to be Bam or is he going to turn into something more than that. That really is the trajectory that we're talking about with Evan Mowgli. And I'm rooting for him. And I think he has the potential. I don't think it's over yet, but we're like a couple years away from this just being Bam at a bio 2.0. Number 27, J. Dub, Jalen Williams. What made him a top 25 player last year is pretty simple. Insane rim pressure, especially with the head of his team. I don't think he has the best first step quickness in the world, but he's got enough strength that like when he does get an angle, he's really difficult to stop. So especially with the head of steam like semi transition transition stuff, just got to the

rim a ton. Reliable jump shooting really started to knock down jump shots over the final two playoff rounds last year. Solid playmaking. And then just really, really good defense, is elite, versatile defense. That was what made Jalen Williams a top 25 player in the league. But health has just become a major question mark for him. It wasn't just, oh, he missed the most of the playoff run. It was repeated injuries to to the hamstring, right? That, that has, made him, and we've seen this over the years, whether it was with James Hardin or Devin Booker, like we've seen guys when they start to have their recurring, I'm worried about this for Luca Donchitz, for example. When we see guys have these like recurring soft tissue injuries,

it kind of just becomes something that limits their mobility over the course of the next phase of their careers. And so even though I big believer in J-Dub strongly considered him for the top 25, I do think he'll have a bounce back season. I think he'll be healthier this year, more available. I expect him to be an important part of OKC in the postseason. But that health has just become enough of a question mark that it knocked him off the top 25 for this season. Last guy for today, Denny Avdia at number 26. I thought Denny's offseason, or offensive season last year was super impressive. 24.7 rebound, seven assists on 60% true shooting.

And it didn't quite hold up to that level in the postseason, but I didn't think that was an indictment of him as much as it was the roster. Portland was 28th in the NBA last year in catch and shoot efficiency. they're literally one of the worst spacing teams in the league. Their bigs can't shoot, their wings can't shoot, their guards can't shoot. Especially against a Victor Wem and Yama-led defense, that's going to be problematic. Like, Shegildos Alexander was surrounded by way more offensive talent. And even he experienced a massive drop-off in scoring volume and efficiency against Victor Wemann Yama.

Denny is, in my opinion, one of the very best up-and-coming offensive engines in the NBA. reflected in the numbers, the Blazers really struggled to score when he was off the floor last year. They were about six points better per 100 possessions on offense when Denny was on versus off. And it comes down to his foundational skill, which is he is just ridiculous at beating people off the dribble. He's big and strong and has a nasty handle, like a quick like like, like just he chains dribbled combinations together super fast and freezes defenders. And then he just shoots the gap with a nasty first step in a ton of. kind of size and strength that makes them really difficult to regain leverage on once he gets an angle on you. He combines that with the ability to change pace in the middle of the floor.

He can slow down short of the rim for a little short midrangers had to do a lot of that last year because of their lack of spacing. He gets the foul line a ton. He can play make out of the middle of the floor. He can run kind of methodical pick and rolls, putting defenders in jail because he's big and strong enough. He's got enough of that little like short range scoring, finishing to kind of tie together the scoring piece of his pick and roll play. I just think he's a I just think he's a really high level offensive player playing in a system that's not really built around his strength. Really the biggest hole in his game right now is this pull-up shooting. He's got a little bit of a hitch in his shot that shows up more off the dribble than it does

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