The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - 49ers-Rams, Pete Carroll, Baker Mayfield

Episode Date: November 16, 2021

Colin's thoughts on the 49ers big win over the Rams last nightPete Carroll shouldn't be blaming the refsColin defends Baker MayfieldGuest: Malcom Jenkins Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Joy Taylor's joining me. It was funny. Football's hard. Think about this. You can play a baseball game. Right. Every day. 162 games.

Basketball hockey. You can play a game about every other day. The travel wears players out. But in football, you have to practice all week for one game. And then players need like three days to recover physically. At least. Your brother is a great example. I remember talking Joy.

Taylor's brother, Jason, now part of the Dolphins broadcast team. I remember talking to him one time about it. He had a bad foot. And I'm like, how do you plan it? And he's like, well, you know, put things in those needles. You just figure out a way to play. You would never play a baseball game feeling like your brother. You'd never do hockey.

You'd never skate around. But in football, it's sort of a badge of honor. It's understood you have to play hurt all the time. And so I want to start the show with that. Football is hard. So today, the easy take is, Rams are no good. Stafford's barely better than Goff, a bunch of finesse softies, bunch of stars, OBJ, not going to work. That is the easy way.

But football's hard. Football practice is hard. You have a phone book you have to memorize. You can still have eight penalties, be off sides, line up wrong. It's hard to officiate. We all agree with that, right? It's hard to officiate. So I went back to another quarterback that went to a new team full of good players.

His name was Tom Brady last year. And he went to what we perceive as a good coach and good defense and really good players. And Tom Brady and right before the buy week, because remember after the buy is when Brady clicked. They got like 10 days to practice. Here's Tom Brady before the buy. And by the way, the Rams now go into their buy week. look at this. Brady and Stafford, capable veteran guys, a lot of talent, go to a new team,

capable coach, a lot of good weapons, very good defense. Brady before the buy, the numbers are not quite as good as Stafford before the buy. Isn't that funny how it works? Oh, what happened last night? Oh, I don't know. Robert Woods out, OBJ inserted in. there's a lot of reasons last night happen. It's not an excuse. It's a reason. First of all, San Francisco sees it on the line. This is the season.

You have to win this game. Number two, San Francisco gets a lead at home and was dominating time of possession. So McVeigh couldn't get the ball back. And then San Francisco was the healthiest they've been. And now you got Von Miller with his first start and OBJ trying to jam him in and Robert Woods is out. and you're already on backup running backs, right? Because you lost Camakers early.

This stuff is hard. And oh, by the way, Kyle Shanahan's offense, which is very physical, has been kryptonite for Sean McVey. Which has a more kind of, I would say, finesse offense. And I do think there's a way to beat the Rams. Belichick did it in the Super Bowl. Vrabel's done it. Kyle Shanahan's now done it four or five times in a row. Get physical with the Rams up front.

Make it a fist fight. Get in the octagon. they're not quite as comfortable. That doesn't mean they can't be physical, but it is an offense built on deception and tricks and fast and clever. And if you muddy it up and you slow them down and you hit him in the mouth, the Rams sometimes can get a little off. McVeigh's never lost a game.

He is led at half. But you make the game physical, you ugly it up, you take the ball away from Sean, dominating time of possession by the Niners and Shanahan once again against the McVeigh team. Four of the last five times they played, Shanahan's dominated time of possession against the Rams, sometimes with a backup quarterback. Run the ball,

make the pretty team have to play ugly, and that is not McVeigh's strength. But there was a lot of moving parts last night, and we also get, we've seen it. You can tell about a quarter in to the Jags bills, something wasn't right for Buffalo. Remember when Tampa Bay came out to L.A. to play the Rams. About a quarter in, you're like,

something's not quite right for Tampa. That was a hard game last night. That's a division rival. Desperate, finally healthy, season on the line. They take a lead. They make it ugly. And that fog in the Bay Area rolling in. And it's just like it had a Scooby-Doo adventure to it.

It's like, yeah, yeah, Stafford got unmasked. It looks like golf under there. It's going to be fine. Okay, they're going to be fine. Now like Brady last year, you go into the bye. Here's Sean McVeigh after. So it was a humbling night for us as a team and a great opportunity for us to be able to take a deep breath, step away, look at the things that we need to correct, particularly offensively over the last couple weeks,

because I choose to believe that these last couple weeks are not who we are. I refuse to believe that even though, you know what, you're only as good as your last game. we should acknowledge it took Andy Reed and Patrick Mahomes about eight weeks to figure their issues out. Okay, football practice is hard. Football seasons are hard. Stafford comes in like Brady. A lot of moving parts. Here's Vaughn.

Lose a back. Lose Robert Woods. Get the ball to OBJ. And you just think, oh, it's just going to be easy. There's a reason you can play a baseball game every day in an NBA or a hockey game every other day. football game once a week. Choreography, making sure it works.

I mean, look at this season. Good teams get unraveled constantly. It took handy read eight weeks to figure it out. Rams are going to be fine. One of my favorite things to do, I think anybody, I think Joe and I take pride in this, is that anybody can just read a sports page or watch a game and come on the next day and go, hey, that's what happened. But the fun in this job is saying,

I see something happening and be ahead of it two years. That, of course, would be me with the Seahawks, the team I grew up loving. They have been in crisis for two years since Paul Allen passed away and Pete Carroll got way too much power. I have been on this now for two to two and a half years. I like Pete. I know Pete. He should go into the Hall of Fame. Like Jimmy Johnson, he's one of the few guys that was elite in college.

He's a great pro coach. But we've been on this now for two years. years. Paul Allen passed away. He was a great owner of the Blazers and the Seahawks. Totally committed. Love sports. He loved his rock and roll music and he loved sports. He passed away and gave it to his sister. She's not into sports, not connected to the team. Many don't think it works. And so now Pete has a lot of power. And I don't like coaches with too much power, including Bill Belichick. By the way, this draft of the Patriots appears to be a great one. Do you know why?

Because Belichick relinquished some of his power after acknowledging he'd whiffed on several drafts. The Jamal Adams trade for Seattle was ridiculous. Two firsts, a third, and a safety for a safety? And I like Jamal Adams. Seattle is in a crisis and you know they're in a crisis when a Hall of Fame coach nearing the end of his career starts blaming officials for a loss at Green Bay. They were such a big part of the game yesterday.

They were a huge part of the game yesterday. And in an effort to try to make sure that we're really on the same page and we're working through it, and we call the game together in a sense, you know, I just think it's, you work at it during the course of the game. I know some of these guys, you know, for a long time, and they always show respect, and I try to show respect too. They got a job to do, and we got a job to do, we got to figure it out. We don't always see I die, that's for darn sure, and that happened yesterday. Listen, it's hard to blame the officials when you get shut out. I don't think anybody, any reasonable fan, unless you're maybe from Seattle, watch that game and said,

the officials are costing us the game. Seattle's defense with a defensive head coach is 31st, and it's been bad in getting worse for years. The offense is outdated. Russell Wilson is now mired in fourth place, and there's no real way out. They're just not that good. The Seahawks organization is in crisis. it has been for three years and nobody wants to talk about it. It's got a problem.

And there is a trend here if you spend a little time prepping for shows like this that you can find. Here are the defensive coaches winning in this league today. Belichick, what does he have? As the league has become more offensive, what does Belichick have? A great offensive coordinator who he gives the offense to. Let's name another defensive coach who's winning Sean McDermott, Buffalo. How? He has a great offensive coordinator, Brian Dable, who he's given the offense to.

I think you have to hire offensive coaches going forward unless you have a defensive coach, like a Belichick or a McDermott who find a gem as an offensive coordinator and give the offense to that side. here's four defensive coaches who are not winning much lately. Vic Fangio, Brian Flores, Mike Tomlin, and Mike Zimmer. Why? Because they don't have a great offensive coordinator. Who's winning in this league right now is offensive coaches or defensive guys who find a gem at OC.

By the way, Mike Frable last year for several years had Arthur Smith. Now, we'll see what they can do now the rest of the year. but Arthur Smith was a gem and he got a head job now with Atlanta. So Seattle can solve this. Pete Carroll has shown in his history, Lane Kiffin, Sark, Norm Chow, he's found offensive coaches. But Seattle's got an ownership issue. They've got an unhappy quarterback issue. They've got a power dynamic, I think, is unhealthy where the coach has too much.

Say coaches are always going to trade everything away to get players. they want now that can help me win now because I got two years left in that big contract. That's why GM should GM, coaches should coach, owners should own, and quarterback should quarterback. Seattle's issues are solvable. They've got a great quarterback and three or four unbelievable players. But the power dynamic is off. And when Pete Carroll's blaming officials, that feels again, a word I've used in the last several years with Seattle, a little outdated, and a little outdated, a little desperate. Okay.

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So, you know, I'm pretty tough on Baker Mayfield. I have strong opinions on quarterbacks, and sometimes let it fall where it may. sometimes I whiff, sometimes I'm right. This year I think we've been pretty accurate. Rex Ryan is outspoken, not always my cup of tea, met Rex before. He can be funny, gone to dinner with Rex and some other people. He can be funny. He's got big, strong opinions, and that's what you should do on television.

So I'm never going to banging a guy too hard for big strong opinions. And even though I disagree with a lot of Rex Ryan opinions, he has them. And when you're an analyst like Charles Barkley, I appreciate an analyst willing to say something. Rex Ryan's willing to say something. Charles Barkley is willing to say something. So Rex Ryan doesn't like Baker Mayfield. And anybody can say that. But he brought up a very interesting point.

And I think Rex is right on this. He says, an elite quarterback can win when you don't have other things. This is something I've talked about a lot. It can't be perfect for you, right? He said, the Browns got outrushed by 50 yards this weekend. That's happened 14 times with Baker. And he's 0 and 14 in those games. Baker has never won a football game ever in the NFL when his team got out game.

Just by 50 yards. That can just be one big run. We're 54 starts into Baker. In life, if you still are asking yourself, is he the right guy? He's probably not the right guy. Shall they marry him? I've been dating for seven years. Is he the right guy?

You're asking yourself after seven. If your aunt's bringing the same guy to six straight Thanksgiving and the family's still split, he's not the right guy. 54 starts. Justin Herbert has 24. We were done asking after his first when he played Mahomes. Joe Burrell's got 19 starts. Nobody's debating if he's the guy.

Kyler Murray's got 40. We were done debating it by a second. And I didn't even like him coming out of college. Mack Jones is at 10. We're not debating it. Josh Allen got the bag after his 43rd start, meaning they were probably sold on him by about his 30th. You know who we're debating?

Baker and Tua. If you're debating something after four or five years, do I like this? Do I like that? You don't. You're just somebody that historically settles. You settle in relationships. You settle on quarterbacks.

And I get that for Cleveland. Let me defend Cleveland. They've been so bad at this position. They've had two in my lifetime that were good. Brian Sipe, when I was a kid, that a guy named Brian Sipe, he was good. I think you wore number 17. I got a Brown's jersey as a kid for Christmas. I like Brian Sipe.

He was good. And then Bernie Kossar. But it's been mostly nonsense. And so Cleveland's gun-shy. Like they got a guy that got him to the playoffs. Like, I get it. And if they settled for Baker, you can do worse than Baker. It's called chaos.

With Baker, you can win games. He got you to the playoffs when everything's lining up and you're not paying him. So it may just be a monetary thing. You're going to have to give him a lower contract. And if he's not willing to do it, maybe he's made enough money in commercials, he'll take less money. So I understand that. But even with Baker, even his injury, because my knock on Baker's always been, I just don't like his judgment. I didn't like it in college.

I don't like it in the NFL. Even his injury, he's got three of them now, his injury was bad judgment. Forget the interception. He tried to square up a safety because, you know, Baker's always trying to prove I'm a man. I'm the guy. I'm more athletic than you think. Dude, Teddy Bridgewater did it right this weekend. Get the hell out of the way.

Get out of the way. You don't square up a safety. Come on. Safety in the NFL was the best athlete in high school, was the best athlete in college, the best athlete in his neighborhood. A starting safety in the NFL. You're a quarterback. docee do right over to the sideline get right out of the way you don't want to square those guys up

and so you know we can go back and forth but your 54 starts into a quarterback now i know you can give me examples what about drew breeze and there are outliers drew is one of the only quarterbacks in league history started somewhere went somewhere else and is a hall of famer i mean the list is like drew breeze they're not a big list on that and you can use that outlier but i you know we're 54 starts in And I think Rex Ryan can have opinions, and I don't always agree. But it's a real point here. When you don't have everything, can you win? When you get out rushed, can you win?

When you get outplayed, can you win? Baker's 0 and 14 when his teams have been outrushed by 50 yards. That's a real thing. That's not make-believe. Either is his 27 and 27 record after 54 games. You're still asking? The answer's no. It is.

Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. That reaction to Teddy Bridgewater is so silly. Everybody was banging on him. I'm like, get out of the way. What are you going to do?

You can slow him down. Like you can, you know, kind of change his course so someone else can go make the tackle. But what on earth are you doing as a starting quarterback trying to make that tackle? For what? of all, also when a safety or a DB or a linebacker intercept a ball, and they have a head of steam, so these are superior athletes, and you move over as like a quarterback to tackle a guy

running a four, five at you with a ball. And by the way, when you get these defensive players in interception, which they don't get many of them, and they see the end zone, dude, they are going to, they're a wheelbarrel for the bricks. They're going to run you right over. It's a refrigerator downhill. Just get out of the way. on fire.

And you, all of the rules are curved for you to not even be touched. We're calling, you bounce into a quarterback now and it's a penalty. And you want Teddy Bridgewater to square up. So it's silly. Quarterbacks often wear jerseys at practice. Don't touch them. Often always, you are not allowed to touch the quarterback in practice. I've thought about this.

I've thought about this before. Whenever I see a quarterback go for a tackle, I would push a guy if I had momentum. Yeah, if you could push him out of back. Or somebody's got a little hold on him and I push. But to square up. Or if you're chasing him down, you happen to be fast enough to catch him. That's right. But, yeah, no, it's silly. It's, it's silly.

Stop it. Teddy Bridgewater did, it's not about like him making the right decision for himself. He made the right decision for his team. That's not his job. His job is not to throw the interception. But once that's thrown, it's not his job to square. I couldn't believe people were mocking Bridgewater. I think it's crazy.

They should be a playbook on what to do when you, his own interception. This piece of video is what we'd prefer you do. In this situation, get out. Get out of the way. What's your alternative? You want Drew Locke out there for the rest of the season?

Because that's what you're asking for. That is what you're demanding in this situation. Mack Jones is having an amazing rookie season. And you want to talk about a hype train leaving the building. Can we see? I mean, the Mac Jones stuff is getting silly. I like, okay, we like him. I think he is having.

having an incredible rookie season. I don't have anything bad to say about Mac Jones. Okay, but can we slow down a little? There is a lot of nuance to this conversation that we are ignoring. Yes. And that is not a knock in any way on Mac Jones. I think sometimes when you have nuanced conversations, people immediately jump to hater and...

Or have a strong opinion. Some stuff like the Rams losing last night with Von Miller now, OBJ now, Robert Woods out. Some stuff is just nuanced. It's just not easy to say, bad team, good team. Well, some things are just not definitive. Right. Like the Rams.

They're still developing. We don't know exactly what the Rams will be. Let's give Stafford a buy like Brady got last year. Let's see the rest of the year. Now, I will say when it comes to the Rams, I did say there was going to be a little pressure on Matthew Stafford. They did. So anyway, Mack Jones is currently on pace to break Dak Prescott's rookie record for

completion percentage. Dak's record is 67.76. Yeah. And Jones has completed 69% of his past. And that is impressive for a lookie. Very impressive. Very efficient. But that's what everyone was so high on him for, was that he is very efficient. Jones had his best completion percentage in Sundays win over the Browns. When is taking it lightly, it was a blowout. 19 of 23 for an 82.6 completion percentage. Very impressive. He was in 10 games. There's

69 completion percentage, 233 yards, 13 touchdowns, seven interceptions. He also has the second best odds on Fox Bet right now to win rookie of the year. and the Patriots have won their last four games. Yes. Look, there's nothing you can take away from him. Yes, there is. I mean, take away from Mac Jones. Like, he is doing what's been asked of him.

He went to the best situation. Yes. I would also argue probably the most high pressure situation because that is a fan base that expects winning. It is the best coach in NFL history. They are a set culture. Okay, if you told me you're going to have a little pressure, but you get Belichick, a really good defense,

a running game. name Josh McDaniel and a great owner. I'll take the pressure. You know what pressure is? Jacksonville hasn't won in 20 years consistently. Well, he doesn't have anything to overcome. That's right. Mac Mac, just learn the system. There's a difference between pressure and having to overcome something. Right. Zach Wilson has to overcome the Jets. Trevor Lawrence has to overcome Jacksonville. And by the way, you and I are not anti-Mac Jones. It's just if you go on social media, it's all these media people say, I told you so. Has he gone on the road and beat Josh Allen? has he beaten Mahomes?

Has he, like, let's slow down. You know in this league, it's funny. Lamar Jackson won 80% of his games. And for, I said, won the MVP, and 90% of you were crapping on him every week. Matt Jones has yet to win against an elite high-level veteran quarterback

and you're crowning him. I like him a lot. But he's a rookie. He's a kid. Yeah, and he's doing what's being asked of him. I think it's great. They are currently 7.4. rates according to Fox Bet.

And it seems like they found their guy. And regardless of whether they did or not, they're back. So I hope you enjoyed that, you know, a couple of months while the Patriots were struggling because they're good now. That did not last very long. So there's a lot of hype surrounding Odell's arrival in L.A. unfortunately, did not live up to expectations. Following the game, Beckham acknowledged the letdown from the 3110 loss.

Tonight, the Nannis came out and they played better than us on all phases of the game. And that's just really the moral of the story. There's no, you know, trying to find. you know, what happened, they just outplay us. It just wasn't our night. There's really no way around it. It just wasn't our night. All three phases of the game. You lick your wounds and you get ready for, you know,

one of the best teams in the NFL in Green Bay at Lambo. Again, obviously a letdown for fans and everyone wanted to see Odell. And the game overall was a snoozer because it was, there was a lot of blowouts this weekend. And that was a terrible performance by the Rams. No, I mean, after the pick six, I looked at my wife. and said, if you want to go out to dinner, we can, this game's over. I mean, it was over. It was very obvious. But as far as Odell goes, I didn't have any expectations of Odell yesterday.

Like, none at all. He'd been in L.A. for exactly two days. I didn't even know if he was going to play. I asked you yesterday. I didn't know if he was going to play. Yeah, he played 15 snaps, caught two passes for 18 yards, and the third target was intercepted. The bigger story yesterday was that the Rams rushed for 52 yards. The Niners rushed for 156. Elijah Mitchell led with 91 yards. Debo Samuels had 36 rushing yards in a rushing touchdown.

and Stafford had two interceptions and a 67.4 pass the rating. So they have a buy this week. They're still in second place in the NFC West. And again, I don't think it's anything to get crazy about, but you have had two back-to-back losses. And both kind of the same way. You got put, so I don't mind losses. Physical teams.

Yeah. So what you're seeing is a trend, and I know McVeigh will address it. Like, guys, physical teams are giving us problems. Right. And I do think it's fair to say, sometimes the Rams are pretty. Yeah.

They're a little pretty. Belichick's teams, Vrabel's teams. Well, they're passing first offense, which is why when Robert Woods went down, it was obviously very concerning. Now you have O'Dell. He's going to have to step into that role,

but it's going to take a little bit of time. Like, he just literally just got here. It's a bad time of the year to be up against two losses like that. You know what Robert Woods is? He's Jarvis Landry of the Browns. Yeah. Is that he is kind of the soul of this offense. And you don't talk Jarvis,

Landry a lot and you don't talk Robert Woods, but Robert Woods is their best blocking receiver, a great third down receiver, never about me. You can put him on jet sweeps. He can make big catches. He can beat you deep. He's faster than you think. He feels very tough for a receiver. So Tua came off the bench to help the dolphins beat the Ravens Thursday.

And Brian Flores says, although his finger remains an issue, he believes he will be the starter on Sunday. So my expectation on two was that, you know, he'll start this weekend. Obviously, he's going to have some discomfort with the finger, banged it the other day, which we were trying to avoid that, but, you know, it happened. But it's had some time to rest it and on practice today, and that's my expectation for this weekend. Well, look, this is the situation that the dolphins are in now. Yeah, giants and dolphins. They're going to give their young quarterback a bunch of snaps.

Judson Dolphins. They're going, I mean, Daniel Jones and Tua. There's the two now we're sitting there going, oh, no. Oh, yeah. So I said Daniel Jones, give me to Thanksgiving. I think he's a keeper, but I'm not in love with him. We're almost the Thanksgiving. I know.

So I'm saying. Next week. I know. I got one more start. Who the Giants playing this week? They had a bye week. So who the Giants playing this week? Because I'll make my determination.

The Giants play the Buccaneers. Oh, that's not great. All right. So we'll see how Daniel plays against the Buccaneers because I said Thanksgiving and I'll make my determination. I think your points about, well, two is obviously on an accelerated timeline than Daniel Jones is. But that's what I said from the beginning that this was going to be a situation where he would have to turn it around quickly. There's more pressure for whatever reason in Miami than in other places. But yeah, it's here.

The determination has to begin on Monday. Monday we decide what Daniel Jones futures. Good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. Okay, so here's the Mac Jones thing. So I got nothing against Mac Jones.

But Tyron Matthew, Honey Badger came out and he said, Mac Jones wasn't trendy enough for y'all at first, huh? Now y'all love him. Man, y'all funny, day in, day out, y'all should be on the Comedy Central. Listen, we had said we think he's landing in the best spot. And we also said on this show, that's about 75% of it. Now, Trevor Lawrence, I said, was the one quarterback I felt would overcome even Jacksonville. I thought he was the transformational talent.

I like Justin Fields. Trey Lance, I said, I don't know if Justin Fields can overcome Chicago in the front office. Trey Lance, he hasn't played in two years. I don't think he's ready to play. Mack Jones, we said, it works in New England. I don't know if he'd work everywhere else, but in New England, there's a chance it's going to work. I don't think he has a ton of a ceiling here.

But let's be honest about this. Can we be honest now, add a little context to this? his wins are over Baker Mayfield, Zach Wilson twice, Sam Darnold, David Mills, and Justin Herbert. And those wins really aren't about Mac Jones. They're about Bill Belichick, what he's done in his whole career,

unraveling average quarterbacks. None of those games you came away and said, as that's about Mac Jones. It was Baker being unraveled, having 43 yards passing, David Mills, Zach Wilson, Darnold, zillion interceptions. He has one big win over Justin Herbert.

So let's examine the big win against the best quarterback he's ever faced. Mack Jones against Justin Herbert had 18 completions, no touchdown passes, and a 70 passer rating against an average defense. I like Mac Jones. He landed in a perfect spot. I do think he's got the maturity thing. I said this yesterday. His personality reminds me of Justin Herbert. Like mature, ready to go.

Now Herbert's a bigger athlete. Much better big arm, much faster athlete. Justin Herbert can give you stuff. You can do RPO's at the goal line. You can run around and do stuff. But Mack Jones landed in a perfect spot with the best coach ever, the best offensive coordinator in the league, an excellent O line by NFL current standards,

a run game and a defense that never means you have to get in a shootout. You can worry about who's right and who's wrong all day. Mac's great. If you put Mack in Jacksonville, in Detroit. This would be a mess. It would be a mess. Where you land matters. Occasionally, you will find a kid in America who gets a bad family in chaos and overcomes it and you read these stories all the time and they become CEO of Oracle. But usually if you're a kid and you grow up in chaos and it's a mess and there's dysfunction in your family, it's hard to get out.

It's the same in the NFL. Occasionally, Andrew Luck can push his way through. And I I think Trevor Lawrence will push his way through, but we all know this, where you land matters. And Mack Jones got the best football coach ever, one of the top five owners, the best coordinator, arguably on either side of the ball in this league, a really nice O line. It's the Patriots. It's always a good O line. They hit it out of the park with Ramandre Stevens. They're running back.

They've got depth at running back. They've got now money. They paid for tight ends. They never get in shootouts. The secondary, shock. They don't give up any freebies. Very few panelists. He deserves credit for being mature.

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Well, he's going to end up in the Hall of Fame. His name is Malcolm Jenkins. Two Super Bowls, won both. Now with the Saints, 13 years, multiple-time pro-bowler. Malcolm's now joining us live. Sponsored by Mercedes-Benzibester, nothing. You know, we were talking during the break, and the Rams got beat last night

by a team we view as sort of rebuilding and not right. And I said to you, I think Malcolm, there's very little at the top, very little at the bottom. The whole league is smushed together, so we view these in the media's wild upsets. And I'm like, I watch you play

the Titans this weekend. Well, we all think Tennessee's great, and the Saints are rebuilding, and I'm like, these teams are completely even. You tell me you've been in this league 13 years. What does it feel like to you, Malcolm? I think what we're really witnessing is just that the league is probably as competitive as it's ever been. There's not really a game where you walk on and you have your underdogs or your favors.

But really, when you watch teams on paper, any team can get beaten. And we've seen it. So many upsets that we've seen on how can this team win? I think the league is actually very competitive. So each week, you know, you have your teams that are a little bit more consistent than others, but really any team that walks on the field has the opportunity to win this year, and an AFC and an NFC, which makes it, I think, more entertaining. It definitely makes it more competitive.

It's going to make for a, the end of this season is going to be very dramatic when you start to see guys, teams trying to move into position to get into the playoffs. But from a viewership standpoint, you know, there's been a ton of overtime games, a ton of great games to watch. It's just good football. You know, it's interesting. we think it's an offensive league, but Belichick's got the Patriots right. McDermott's defense in Buffalo, the Titans play defense, the Saints play defense.

You're a defensive player, and they're taking all the rules and making them harder for you to defend. But I still think watching last night, physicality matters. This is not basketball. You're tackling people this weekend with you in Tennessee. I felt like I was watching two incredibly physical teams. Physicality, do you feel it's been taken away from you? still matters? I think it still matters, especially when we talk about the run game and on the line

of scrimmage. That still is as physical as it can get. Can you line up and move people up front on offense or on defense? I think what we're trying to take some of the physicality out are those long range, full speed collisions that we see mostly coming from secondary players in the past game, which I think we have over the years really cleaned it up, but it just makes it very hard for defensive players to, you know, we're talking about bang, bang, plays to keep everything legal.

You know, some of these things are accidental with guys just trying to make plays on the football, but they have big impacts on the game when you talk about penalties and crucial times in the game. So it's tough, but I think the physicality still wins. Who can control the line of scrimmage up front, dominate the run game that usually travels well down the road into those critical games in the late in the season. I want to ask you about two quarterback. So everybody is bailing.

Everybody says Jalen hurts. It's not going to work. And I keep telling Joy, I'm like, all. I know is this. It's productive. The Eagles always end up with 24, 33, and I watch him, and you've faced him, and I, what do you make of hurts? What do you see you like and what, where does he have to get better? Well, I think you hit that now on the head. For one, he's my fantasy quarterback. I'm not having to bench him this week, though. But like you said, every week, he's at the top when it comes to being productive, right? And so it's like, it may not look the way

you wanted to look. But at the end of the day, he's rushing for some yards. They're still scoring points. They're getting, you know, still getting those explosive plays. And so it was just a combination of, you know, a different, a lot of different things. He's not just going to drop back and throw 400 yards. He's not going to rush for 200 yards. But it's a, it's a really balanced tag they had. I know when we saw them last year, you know, we had trouble dealing with the run and his ability to scramble. And it just adds another dimension to the offense. Mac Jones has really played only one or two great defenses. The Dolphins Early had his number, and you guys had his number in Foxboro.

I like him. But I do think they're not asking him like Trevor Lawrence. They're not asking him to do a ton. Like Justin Fields, they're not asking him to save the day. So, you know, and this stuff matters. Let's add some nuance to it. What did you see with Mac Jones you like and what does he have to work on? I mean, he's a young quarterback, right?

And so most of the time, as a defense, when you're going against a young, quarterback, you're thinking how do we create tournaments? You want to get pressure on them. You want to make him make mistakes. You want to disguise things because he's more prone with less experience to make mistakes that are critical. And when we played him, he had a couple, but they weren't really his fault. TIP pass here or there. What I saw was that a quarterback that was very efficient as well coach that is coming with a balanced attack that allows him to be successful. And I think he's more than capable from a cerebral standpoint and a physical standpoint to execute what they're acting them to do.

And so I think, you know, in that role, he's very effective. But we've seen younger quarterbacks where you put that on his plate to try to go win the game. And it's just too much that they don't know that defenses can take advantage of and create critical mistakes. By the way, most people look at you and think Breeze is gone. James has hurt. Total rebuilding year for the Saints. And yet you're a playoff team today.

What's the secret sauce of Sean Payton? If I said one thing, Malcolm, what's his secret sauce? We believe 100% everybody's brought into our process and that our process will win games. You know, it might not get the same result that you won every single time. But over time, we're going to bet on our process to win. And that culture has carried over really since he took over in 2006. And it's been one of the most winning in coaches in his league.

Yeah. By the way, you're here on behalf of Old Spice School of Swagger. It's a mentorship program to help graduation rates. You've always been one of the more thoughtful guys in this league. We've talked about you multiple times over the years. Give Old Spice a little love here. Yeah, so I'm partnering with Old Spice. They're bringing their school of swagger initiative forward.

They're trying to raise the graduation rates right now. Dropout rates are at an all-time high. And last year, I partnered with Old Spice also to do some things about educators and trying to keep kids in school. And then we're talking about mentorship this year and how important it is. to have a mentor for young people, especially young people of color. Just having a mentor just makes you 95% more likely to graduate high school. I know how mentorship was a huge part of my life on every single level from, you know,

being a youth to high school coach to Jim Trussell, the football coach, and even to some of my peers in the NFL. So being able to draw awareness to that and encourage people to sign up to be mentors, knowing that it has a great effect on our young people. So the School of Swagger, people can go learn more about mentorship or go sign up to be a mentor at Oldspice.com slash school of swagger. And yeah, and just continue to build up this next generation of youth. Malcolm Jenkins, two Super Bowl champions, been to two. He's won them both. Great seeing you, man. Always good to see you, Colin.

All right, Malcolm Jenkins. Really thoughtful, smart guy. Good dude. He's the classic, great player, great work ethic, great. locker room. You get everything with him. Always been very thoughtful on a lot of social changes and cultural movements in the NFL and throughout the country. He was the one guy who always said Malcolm's talking, listen to him. He's thoughtful. He's not agitating. He's a good listener. He worked with the league seamlessly. It can be done. We actually can get along through this stuff. We really can. God, the football gods are so funny. McVeigh gets the healthier quarterback, and yet he can't beat Shanahan in division.

Like the football gods. It's like Shanahan can't keep a quarterback healthy, but he owns McVeigh. And McVeigh's like, my quarterback's always ready to go, and I can't beat Shanahan. We got a lot of good stuff. The herd hierarchy, top of next hour,

Mark Sanchez and Mark Schlereth both stopping by today. I may have to support Baker Mayfield. There's a lot of Baker Slander going on, and I won't stand for it. It's gotten, when Rex Ryan's coming out, now everybody, now I feel like supporting him, because you guys are all throwing bricks at him. Now I feel like

Uncle Collins here to protect the kids. I mean, you are America's Honesty Broker. All right, hour two on a Tuesday. Live in L.A. next. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite unhumor me with Robert Smygel

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