The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Adams, Duke, Hill, Dolphins

Episode Date: March 25, 2022

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The tournament is absolutely unbelievable. In about six, seven hours from now, UCLA plays North Carolina, which could be the game of the tournament. Alex Curry is joining me in a Friday. What a fun night of basketball last night. What an epic night of sports, because you had the March Madness, you had NBA, you had our U.S. men's team playing Mexico. I even spiced in a little hockey in there. It was a great night. I was one with my couch for like four and five hours. Yeah, I watched a lot of TV last night. I want to start with this, though, before I get to Duke and Gonzaga, I've got thoughts on both.

The tournament starts in several hours going to be great. This is very interesting. A lot of people cover a lot of teams. But it's when you cover the Packers, it's different. Very few people have like really, really good sources with the Packers. Very small town. They don't like outsiders. Tom Silverstein covers the Packers has for years. He's one of the one or two people that really gets inside information. Fascinating column today about Devante Adams leaving to the Raiders,

the former Packer receiver. Fascinating. First of all, Aaron knew about it long before, long before he signed his contract. still sign that big contract knowing it would be hard for the front office to get his replacement. So the story goes on to say Rogers and Devante Adams are tied on the field, but Adams is not part of Rogers' inner circle. Receiver Randall Cobb is tackle David back to Ariar, but Adams doesn't run with that crowd. He's very much a family guy.

He doesn't golf with celebrities. He doesn't hang out in clubs or push his brand. He's a good dude. I can confirm this. I have had multiple Packer people tell me through the years. He is sort of the guy in the room, talent and work ethic. It goes on to say, Rogers heaped praise on Devante all year. So it's not like he tried to devalue him.

But as much as Aaron claims he doesn't like the spotlight, he embraces it, sucks a lot of oxygen out of whatever room he's in, and the offseason became all about Aaron once again. Isn't this interesting? So Tom Brady, since he arrived in Tampa, has worked the phones, calling, DMing, texting, messaging, other players on other teams to come play for the bucks. Leonard Fernette, Russell Gage. Russell Gage is an Atlanta receiver. He said last week, I thought somebody was playing a prank on me when Brady called me asking me to come play with him in Tampa.

Tampa. But because of that call, Russell Gage is now a Buccaneer. That's all Brady's done. Call grong. Call receivers. Call Antonio Brown. Go above and beyond. Forget the pay cut he takes, which he has reworked so he's a tiny cap hit to make it work. Yet Aaron Rogers, all these years can't form a relationship with Devante Adams, his best teammate. You got to be kidding. me. According to this story, Aaron knew, long before it was public, he wasn't coming back. That it stopped him

from taking 50 million and needing to be the highest paid quota back. Nope. And because of that, Zadaria Smith, edge rusher, is now a Viking. And one of his receivers signed with the chiefs yesterday, a deep threat. They have no deep threat now, basically. They're number one receivers

now, Alan Lazard, who would not be a number one, two, three, or four with Tampa. and Tom. It's called sacrificing, but again, Aaron would not even sacrifice with a vaccine. Listen, I'm not a mandate guy. If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated. I did. My kids did. I'm not going to lecture yet. But if you're on a team, it's not about you. It's about the club and sacrificing. Aaron wouldn't get vaxed. And when they played Kansas City in the biggest game of the year, he wasn't available.

Nor apparently was he available enough to form a relationship with one of the hardest working, most humble, decent guys in the league that also happened to be his most important teammate. No relationship. Tom now has a relationship with guys he didn't know two years ago. Not stars, three receivers, four receivers, guys like Antonio Brown, who I wouldn't even want to be friends with from what I've read about him. Now, Tom made that work too. sacrificing beyond yourself.

So very into, I don't want to hear now. I don't want to hear belly aching ever from Aaron saying, I don't have this and I don't have that. You haven't worked to get this. You haven't sacrificed to get that. I don't want to hear it. Because Aaron privately will say, we don't have a good enough defense. He did now.

Well, I don't have good enough receivers. Whose fault is that? You think of Devante really felt close to you. I mean, a real bonding relationship. He goes to the dysfunctional raiders. I don't know. But I don't want to hear it anymore. Leadership is about sacrifice.

Leadership is about doing things for other people, not just living on your island. Remarkable story and remarkable insight why one guy's got a trophy room and another quarterback has a singular trophy. So the tournament's unbelievable. It is so much fun to watch this. And, you know, college basketball is interesting because it is so transitional as a player, as a sport. Like the best players, you know, it's one and done. It's like an airport. They land, wait for the next flight, off to the NBA.

You know, Steph Curry's been with the Warriors for how many years? He's going to end with the Warriors. Jason Tatum goes to the Celtics. They're probably never going to let him go. you know, I mean, there's a lot of players in pro basketball. Magic Johnson is a Laker. You know, in pro sports, Derek Jeter is a Yankee. Kobe is a, was a Laker.

But in college basketball, the best players, the better you are, the faster you leave, even great programs. And that's what's most impressive about Duke. I don't know if Duke can win. I watched them, you know, I probably watch more Duke and Gonzaga basketball, maybe UCLA than I do any other teams. I didn't think any of them are a championship team this year. and then I watched Duke again last night, and I'm like,

they've got a point guard with experience, they have a rim protector, they have NBA wings and the best basketball coach, arguably in the history of the world, and that includes the NBA. What's most impressive about Coach Kay, he won a championship in 91 and 92. I was there when he got crushed by UNLV in Denver.

I was right there, probably his worst moment. And then 2001, 10 years later, he won a title. And 10 years, nine years later, he won a title. And then he won it in 2015, 2015. Why did he win those titles? And why did Bobby Knight not age well and hasn't aged well? Because Bobby Knight was undone by change. One undone culture, Bobby wouldn't embrace it.

Irrelevant. But Coach Kay has been around so long, he's had to adapt constantly to the massive changes. And every time he does. It's why Nick Sabin is the greatest college football coach of all times. Is he the smartest? I don't know. But Sabin and Coach K have a quality, and they're both feisty, and they both have their critics.

But they both have a quality, despite having healthy egos, they're willing to suppress it and go, you know what? I'm going to turn the telescope around. This doesn't feel right. I don't have all the answers. I'm going to bring some people in. So when Shoshchevsky took over, Duke, the game was slow,

45-second shot clock. Then, in the early 90s, The 45-second shot clock leaves. It's 35-second, and the game got faster. It used to be a big, lumbering game when he got to Duke. Then the game got faster. He evolved. And then all of a sudden, the game won-and-done culture.

He didn't like it, but he evolved. And then the three-point shooting revolution, and then he evolved. Greg Popovich still won't embrace the three-point shot. what Duke basketball is, is an incredibly well-run business. That's what Alabama football is. You think of them basketball as football powers. They're just well-run businesses. The straight trading at Alabama, the mentoring at Alabama, the coaching.

Alabama top to bottom, soup to nuts is a great business. And so is Duke basketball. And it's not been easy for either. Saban loses assistance, multiple assistance. They often go to his rivals. And Coach Kay had losing. seasons, there's injuries, there's administrative changes, they got a new school president, you've got to sell them on Duke, and it's not been easy. I just finished a book on Coach K,

the rise and reign of Coach K by Ian O'Connor. It is a fascinating look at how great he's been, but how hard it has been from day one. He got that job with a losing record at an army. He had doubters day one. Five years later, many thought he was. would get fired. It's been hard. But his ability to adapt. Three-point revolution. One-and-done culture. The game sped up. Now you've got, by the way, Kentucky and Calipari beat him to the punch on the one-and-done stuff. Now they're better at Kentucky at it. So I don't know if this team's good enough to win. They're the classic Duke team. They've got a little experience at point. They've got a big rim protector, NBA wings, a top three pick, and the best basketball coach ever.

more wins than John Wooden. The best Olympic coach ever, 100 tournament wins. And what's remarkable at 75, and Sabin's got this quality too. In the 70s, high school players love him, college players love him, and NBA players love him. That is hard to do. All three levels of basketball, high school, college, and pros. He's a legend. And I talked to him about a year ago about all these changes through his career and how he's battled through him. What I learned about leadership and teamwork is that you can't keep fitting people into the same environment if that environment is not the one that is out there right now with culture and everything like that.

So you have to adapt and create an environment that's conducive to success. and as a waiter, I would adapt to how you communicate with your guys because you keep getting older and the guys you coach, I'm 50-something years older than the guys I coach. Yeah. Listen, he and Saban have their critics, but Sabin, when he got to Alabama, was all about corners, past rushes and linebackers.

Alabama today is about wide receivers, left tackles, and quarterbacks. And Shashefsky's got shooters, one and doneers. They play fast. They can slow it down. They can be physical. And I didn't think they were a championship team. And after last night, I'm like, I think Duke's going to win it. And I have a feeling tied late championship game.

They may get the whistle. Just one. Hard not to root for them. I was on pins and needles last night. And I got nothing against Texas Tech. They got a great coach. They have great players. but it's an unbelievable career.

And he should be a model for how to run a business. And if you read that book on him by Ian O'Connor, it has not been easy. And it's not all praise. He is rough. He is tough. He can wear people out like Saban. But that resilience, that, you know, his family from Chicago, his grandmother, tough, going to West Point. It's, it's, when you read the Sabin-Shevsky stories, there are so many parallels about, you know, the tough family, the demanding family, and their growth, it's fascinating, just fascinating stuff.

And I find myself hard not to root for them. I was sitting there last night. I got nothing against anybody else, but it's like, wouldn't that be great? Fun tournament. UCLA, Carolina tonight. Two other teams, I didn't think we're good enough to win the tournament. And I think I'm probably wrong on that too. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.

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Ryan Rusillo, my buddy's going to show up this hour. I don't know what to do with Chad Holmgren that big center for Gonzaga. Does he go pro? Does he stay in college? What kind of pro he is? And I got thoughts on Gonzaga later. Great to have you in. So you never think you solve a problem.

Most times you think you solve a problem. You do something big and you just create another problem, right? More money, more problems, right? And so Miami goes out and gets Tyreek Hill. And I think they think, okay, solution. Tua is limited. Now we have a solution. And I'm going to push back on that because I do think he makes them faster and more interesting.

But I don't think, you know, will he win him a game? You know, he's probably worth in Vegas a point a game. over the course of a season, that's 17 points. Is he worth a point a game? And does that mean another win a year because of Tyree Kiel? Yeah, I think you can make that argument for DeAndre Hopkins, Tyreek Hill, you know, Jamar Chase. Are they worth a win a year?

Are they worth a point in game? I think it's an argument, sure. Most players outside of quarterback are not worth more than a half a point, even if they're a Pro Bowl-level skill player. So Tyreek Hill, now a dolphin, talks about Tua. Tua is one of the most accurate quarterbacks in the NFL, man. So just his ball placement, you know, getting us the ball in space, you know, perfect placement. They definitely want to put all the right pieces around the quarterback because the quarterback is the most important play on the field.

You know, having myself to run and a few more other pieces that were already here, like you definitely, like you definitely can tell that. The only want to win. Okay, so as I said yesterday, I do like that Miami as a franchise has pivoted from spending money on defense to offense, left tackle, Tyreek Hill, running backs, full back. They have, as a franchise, smartly so in my opinion, pivoted. Defense to offense, and that, frankly, is the way the league is moving. But I think they think they've solved the Tua issue, and I would argue they've created another dilemma.

So in one year, with Tyreek Hill, watch it divide the room. Here's why. So here's Tua's numbers this year. He didn't have terrible, you know, Devonte Parker, Jalen Waddle, Mike Gaseki. He wasn't terrible support. New England's got less talent. He completed 67.8% of his throws, 16 touchdowns, 10 picks, pass a rating of 90. Kind of what he is when he has to carry decent pieces.

So now with a new offensive coach, Tyreek Hill, and a better left tackle, upgraded running back. Is it reasonable to think to his numbers will go up? Now, he's not going to go to 120 passer rating. But let's give him like a 10% increase on stuff, 10 to 15%. And so next year he's going to complete 69% of his throws. I'll say 23 touchdowns, only 8 picks and a 96 passer rating. And that's going to divide the room. Colin, you got to keep him with those numbers.

Interesting. Do you think Kyle Shanahan's a good coach? Because in this offensive system with Mike McDaniel, it's Shanahan system. Here's Garoppolo's numbers. The exact same I believe Tuas will look like at the end of next year. And Shanahan's moving off him. Sean McVeigh runs this system to some degree. Look at Jared Goff's numbers.

Oh my. The exact same. This system makes B minus quarterbacks look like A quarterbacks or A minus quarterbacks. It can divide the room. Jared Goff and McVey, that season they were fighting. Goff thought I'm here. This is what I am. And McVey's like, no, this system is taking you from here to here.

It's not what you are. And Jimmy Garoppolo, he didn't really fight it, but Garoppolo's winning record. And Goff's winning record. that's what two is going to look like in this system. It is built to elevate quarterbacks without them having to do all the work. They went and got a fullback. They went and got speedy backs. Everybody that runs this system, what did McVeigh do in L.A.?

Got a left tackle, Andrew Whitworth. What did Zach Taylor do when he went to Cincinnati? Jonah Williams left tackle Alabama. You ever notice this system? Oh, what did Kyle Shanahan do? Trent Williams went and got a left tackle. What did Miami just do? Go and get left tackle.

Full back. Upgrading backs. Resign the good tight end. It's what's going to happen in one year. You're going to be looking into his numbers, and they're going to look like golf in L.A. with McVeigh. And now you're going to say yourself, well, Goff got to a Super Bowl, and Shanahan got to a Super Bowl.

Or Jimmy did. Yeah, in the NFC. Have you seen the AFC lately? Not sure if you've noticed. It's the greatest football. conference in the history of the world. So good luck. Forget the AFC

leaping over Buffalo and Josh Allen. Alex with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, Colin, we got the madness last night. Two more one seeds are out of the NCAA tournament last night in the Sweet 16.

Overall, number one, Gonzaga was upset by four-seat Arkansas in a 7468 loss, this is Arkansas's second straight trip to the Elite 8, one-seat Arizona, who we both had winning the tournament, was also knocked out with a 72-60 loss to five-seat Houston, who led the game wire-to-wire that leaves Kansas as the low number one left in the tournament. And according to Fox Bet, they have the best odds to win the tournament at Plus 350. Well, it's funny.

I watched Kansas play Kentucky earlier this year, and Kentucky steamrolled them. So, you know, the thing about college basketball, It's a lot of 19-year-old players. So you are watching them live. The teams get better. The chemistry get better. The kids get better. Some of these guys are six months out of high school, especially for these top programs.

Gonzaga, Kansas. A lot of these guys, Duke, it's a lot of young kids. Whereas in the NBA, you kind of know what you get with Jason Tatum. You kind of know what you get with Steph. You know, Luke is improving. Jaws improving. But you can't college basketball. You watch Kansas three and a half months ago and watch Kansas today.

there's an argument to be made, it's almost a different team. Same players, different chemistry, different confidence, different vibe. So it'll be ironic if Kansas wins because I saw him play twice this year. And they got blown out once and got beat the other time. You mentioned it earlier. It's hard not to root for Duke now because of Coach K. There was something a little special there watching that last night, watching the emotion of him and the players after they won.

But yeah, according to Fox Betts, Kansas, Houston, Duke, Villanova, as a favorites to win the tournament. Can't wait. Yeah, it's going to be fun. Tonight's going to be fun. I can't wait for UCLA, UNC. Yep. Ooh.

Okay. Moving on. Kyler Murray got a lot of attention earlier this year when he deleted all of the Cardinals pictures from his Instagram. He did eventually add them back, but there were still questions about his relationship with the team. He spoke for the first time about the situation on Thursday and made it clear he's happy where he is.

He said, I'm an Arizona Cardinal. I've done nothing but give my all to the Cardinals and will continue to do that. I'm not really too worried about my future as a cardinal. Obviously, you got the whole social media stuff and coming out with whatever it was with the future. But honestly, I'm happy where I am, where my feet are, keeping football the main thing like I always have. The thing is, is I don't think anyone knew or thought there was an issue with him and the organization until his whole social media situation where he took everything down. He created this public drama. Well, yeah, and also, you know, they now sit in a little bit of, you know, they now sit in a social media situation.

their division and they have watched Seattle move off a star quarterback. Yeah. And two weeks later, Seattle is bailing water as a franchise. So as I said a couple weeks ago and I'll say it again, quarterbacks in 2022, Aaron Rogers, Big Ben, Kyler Murray, you're going to get some drama. Russell Wilson, you're going to get some drama. It's not the end of the world. There is not much of a replica for Kyler Murray in the market.

Yeah. It's Russell Wilson and he's in Denver. You have to resign him. Yep. I think the world's changed. Players make more. They've got more power. Some of these quarterbacks are going to make 40, 50 million a year.

They're going to change a little. People around them are going to change a little. The stress and expectations around them are going to change a little. You've got to come to terms with it. Kyler may not be easy. I've heard he's not for everybody. He's great. So resign him.

Yeah. And he's under contract until next season. And they plan to pick up his fifth year option, which would keep him in Arizona through 2023. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, the Seahawks seem to be heading towards a rebuild following the blockbuster trade of Russell Wilson. Wide receiver, D.K. Metcalf has emerged as another potential trade with teams reportedly reaching out to Seattle about his availability. But Metcalf is hoping to step up into a leadership role with Seattle, even though he was surprised when Russ was moved. He said, I was just in shock because I didn't think it was going to happen. I was very shocked because

I never thought he was going to leave Seattle. So my mind is like, Russ has gone. What do I do? Later that night, Bobby gets cut. I think it's time for me to step up and be a leader. It's my time in Seattle now. That's the way I'm going to look at it. But now the market price for wide receivers has gone up following the Devante Adams and Tyree Kill situation.

And the right price comes around. I don't know how Seattle could keep them. You know, it's going to be really interesting. So if I was Seattle, I would probably keep D.K. Metcalfe. I think we said yesterday, he's got like 29 touchdown. in three years. He reminds me a little at Des Bryant. He's not the greatest route runner. He can be temperamental, but physically, Des Bryant and his prime was impossible to match up within the Red Zone. D.K. Metcalf is just a bodybuilder with Usain Bolt Level speed, right? So you're just

going to resign him. And I do think he's absolutely committed to his craft. You can tell from his body. The dude is totally committed to it. But what's interesting is, because there was a rumor yesterday he was on the market. And Devante Parker, who's not, you know, 50-catchy-year guy, has had one great year over 1,000 yards. What is Green Bay now going to do at wide receiver? Their number one receiver this morning is Alan Lazard, who, in my opinion, is not a top three receiver for the Rams or a top four receiver for the Buccaneers in the NFC. So, D.K. Metcalf, I, in a weapons, wide receiver-driven league, he may be a tad overrated as a one.

I don't think you could let him go. You let Bobby go. You let Russ go. You got a lot of draft picks for Russ. I wouldn't let him go. Again, what's the duplicate for Tyreek Hill speed on the market? There is none. What is the replica for D.K. Metcalf's size and speed on the market?

I don't think there is one. And it's nice that he said he wants to stay and he wants to be in that leadership role. But then there are also rumors that the Seahawks may be interested. in trading for Baker Mayfield, if the price is right. You can't bring in Baker with a battle line in Seattle and have no DK Metcalf. You can't do that. Alex for the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. I did think there was a secondary story on the Packers and Devante Adams, Tom Silverstein, that DeVante and Aaron weren't really buds. They just, you know, they got along at practice fine. That's remarkable to me. but the Packers, it says, must accept their role in Devante Adams going to the Raiders. They had an entire year to sign him, but they stood firm against breaking their Packer policy

of guaranteeing nothing but the signing bonus. So the amount of guaranteed money was never going to be to Adams' liking. So, you know, I do think a lot of us, myself included, look at Green Bay and we say, hey, the model's working. So let's go the year after Bart Star won his last championship. That's 54 years until today. They have two Super Bowls. So does Tampa and Baltimore.

And Baltimore is 26 years old. The Ravens are 26 years old. They have two Super Bowls. And they didn't have Fav. and they didn't have Aaron Rogers. They had Daufer and Flacco. So that model in Baltimore is working without great quarterbacks in a better division with the perennially difficult Steelers.

Tampa, who we think is quirky, they existed only 44 years. They have two Super Bowls. So Green Bay, with two of the top 10, 12 quarterbacks of all time, in the most dysfunctional division in NFL history, Folks, the Vikings, bears, and lions between them have one Super Bowl. One. It's the most dysfunctional historic division in football.

They have it Aaron and Brett. 54 years, two Super Bowl. So is it working. So let's think about, okay, big brands. Packers is a big brand. Let's think about the big brands. Because big brands tend to have an advantage, right? In 54 years, the Lakers have won 12 titles.

The Yankees have won seven and 45 years. Duke's won five. Bama's 110. Patriot 6, Green Bay, two, like the Florida Marlins, who were created in 1993. Is it working? And yet Green Bay's got a policy, we do not guarantee, bruh. Time to change the policy. Players have more power.

They want more promises. They don't want the world. Players don't want the world. Players aren't demanding much. They're really not. I mean, most NFL guys I meet, most pro athletes I meet. They're not that demanding, you know? Really not.

They like that certain seat on the plane on the way home if they're a quarterback, right? Give me my iPad. I want a second corona on the way home. But in the 70s, folks, doctors and lawyers were the richest people in our neighborhoods. They can no longer afford the nicest neighborhoods in big cities. That's for serial entrepreneurs, hedge fund, people. people, star athletes, and tech superstars. The world changes.

Doctors and lawyers don't even bring their realtor to those neighborhoods. So the reality is life changes. Green Bay change. You're already at a certain disadvantage. There's not a ton to do there. You've got to tweak your model. Like you can be principled and you can have standards and values. And Duke has those.

And they adapt. But you've got to make a few more promises. You got to make Devante Adams happy. There's not a lot of him on the market. All right, good stuff today. Ryan Rusillo, my buddy for the ringers around the corner. Got a very good podcast. You should listen to it after listening to mine.

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and I just did a 10-minute segment off the air. which is probably as good as anything in America that's on the air. That's how it works when Rosillo and I get together. My buddy works at the Ringer, got the Ryan Rissillo podcast. All right, so you got a pretty good take on this. I want you to share it with my audience, which as you know is enormous and well-schooled. Jimmy Butler and Spolstra, by the way, I love Spolstra, and he's feisty, and he's one of the few coaches that'll get in his players' faces,

and I love that about him. And Jimmy Butler's a live wire, and going at it the other night, what's your takeaway bad good indifferent where do you land well i think it's more about jimmy butler before we have an answer to it right because jimmy butler's career is 10 years of conflict he was in chicago and he didn't get treated all that great in the beginning he gets his money i mean he's a completely unproven guy and then it becomes his team and derrick rose wants it to be his team again and the jimmy butler doesn't like that i'd side with jimmy butler jimmy butler goes to minnesota he's like you know what these other two young guys i can't figure it out i'm the best player i'm the toughest

player. I want more money. That was a conflict. And I actually kind of agree to Jimmy Butler on that one. He goes to Philadelphia. And he's like, what is going on with this place? I'm supposed to now be the lead dog, but the franchise is built around these other guys. I understood his point on that one. But when you finally get your own team after working your way out of three previous ones and you're going to mess with a guy like Spolstra, that's where I'm going to have a hard time silent with you. Now, look, maybe this is just a blip and a frustrating night because they're getting smoked by a Warriors team. It was missing its best players, and this won't matter. But if the heat lose in the playoffs, because every time I look at the standings column, I'd be like, that's right, they're still

the one seed. And as much as I love their defense, and I love that I kind of know who they are, which is what I really look forward to in basketball teams, you get ready for the playoffs. If the heat loses the playoffs, it's probably going to be because another team has a ceiling that we haven't seen during the regular season. I don't think it's going to be the Butler conflict. Yeah, good take. The other thing I wanted to ask you about, which came out this week, I didn't make much of it. The Zion video, you know, you've been rehabbing for a while in Nike, Beaverton, Oregon, whatever. What did you make of the video?

Does it mean anything? Usually stuff gets out, Ryan, when somebody wants it out. It may have been he and his agent. It may have been the Pelicans. What did you make of the video? Well, he definitely wanted it out, okay? And if you look at the timeline of Zion this season, it's impossible. Like, I'm glad I haven't said stuff as I've heard it because it would immediately two weeks be wrong,

because it would be like, Oh, you know what? Zine's not playing this year. But like, that's weird. Like, what's going on? Oh, second opinion, shutting it down. You know, he's unhappy. Okay, all right, fine. He heard that before the NBA.

It's the new NBA that we're in. And then it's like, no, no, actually he's in pretty good shape. He's going to come back and play. And I was like, oh, that's cool. I had heard a couple weeks ago he was two weeks away. And then two weeks later, it was like, now he's done. So here's the point. I don't know.

I don't know that anybody knows. I think the communication has always been a massive problem. C.J. McCollum even alluded to during All-Star break when he very, I think, strategically points out as he gets traded there. Like, I didn't talk to the guy. I think that got repaired a little bit. But if Zion wants this out, and it's like, okay, so wait, are you trying to prove to us that you're actually awesome and ready to go, but yet

still don't want to play? So this is somebody that, honestly, his number one priority is that rookie extension. He may not like it in New Orleans, but he's going to have to figure out a way to take that rookie extension there. And the only way that's going to happen is him getting back out out in court and playing, and I still don't know when that's going to happen. So I actually thought it was a bad look, even though

it was impressive. So I got to ask you, I want to shift here a little bit a college basketball because, you know, the Duke ratings over the weekend were great. They'll be great last night. So listen, we like this one and done stuff. It's fun. It's the basketball and the officiating quality can be lacking. But listen, man, they need so many officials.

There's just not that many great officials in the world. But Gonzaga's fascinating, and I'm going to get into him later. But they have a player, Chad Holngren. And he's really tall and really, Chad, excuse me, Hongren. And he's tall and he's tall. Chad's not on anybody's board. Yeah. He's, no, people bailed on him on.

ago. So this kid can shoot a three. He's big. He can put it on the deck a little. He's enormous. He's Rayle Finn. And I watch him and I'm like, yeah, he needs another year of college, but nobody does that. So he's probably going to the pros. And I don't know what to make of him as a pro. I don't even know what to make of him. 20 pounds. He should put on 40. What are your NBA sources say on this kid? Because I can't figure out what he is in the pros. Look, if you watched Chad Holmgren last night for the first time. You're turning your buddy after 20 minutes of the couch going, this guy's supposed to go number one. And I totally get it. I totally get it. But the people that have watched him throughout high school and the International Showcase stuff, all right, and then have watched

him for a full season. Okay. He's a really incredibly skilled player with an amazing ceiling because it's not that he's seven feet and he's going to play one specific position. It's that he's been incredible all season off the basketball, his movement, his impact, his shooting, his passing, his handle. I know everybody loves to think that everybody's stupid that's drafting, whether it's a mock draft guy or every single GM, but it's just not true. There are real basketball projections of him of why teams, back to your question, why teams still have him in the mix as the number one overall guy. But what happens is never underestimate the will to survive as a front office executive. Because if you're a GM sitting there with that number one pick and you project Chet to be.

be this unbelievably skilled player, you probably go, you know what, though, if he busts, I'm fired because everybody's going to point back to that game in the tournament where they lost to Arkansas. Right. So I'll just take Jabari Smith. Yeah, I had a GM telling me this years ago, if you're tied with an international player and a kid that crushed in March Madness, take the kid that crushed in March Madness because the owner watched him. And if he becomes good and the international guy you drafted busts, you'll get fired.

So to your point, that's a game within the game. So it's Chet Holmgren. I don't know what to make of him. I will say this is I watch the game. I don't know what to make of him, but I watch the highlights. His YouTube page is going to be great because at his best, he does great things. Now, I said this tournament's got no great team. So when I look at Shoshchewski, my takeaway is, and Ian O'Connor's book on him, is fascinating.

He's a lot. You know, he's a lot. Mike's intense, battle tested. and I watched Duke last night and I said, they're going to win this thing. I mean, if I said to you, I've never, I don't know who Mike Shishchevsky is. The dude's been winning since the early 90s.

What do you, what is Mike Shishvsky to you? What stands out to you? It's the last guy that's ever going to do it at this level for this long. I mean, he's it. After him, we're never going to have another guy have this kind of run. I mean, I remember going back to that Kansas Final Four, with Duke. You know, like this, this goes back to the mid-80s when I first started watching it. And like a lot of guys, because I was a huge Big East guy, I hated him. I hated them like everybody else. I hated the late. I hated when they beat Yukon, more than when they beat Kentucky. But you know what? You know, you start working in the business. You start meeting a bunch of the alums, guys that played for him, the way they talk about him, then lucky enough like you have had him on the show. I mean, it goes away because you have to respect this so much, all right? It's, it's absurd what this, what this, man has pulled off and also how he had to evolve his own like remember one and duns it was like yeah

we're not doing that at duke it's like hey you want to keep winning championships so you know credit to him for for not um being you know at the time back then it was still some sort of debate and whether or not you wanted those kind of guys on your campus so the brand the brand to be this powerful for three plus decades in a sport where the the target is usually moving quite a bit um i just no one's ever going to do this kind of thing again we're just never going to see it again so i ended up going for somebody who hated all of it to respecting the hell out of it. Oh, that's great. Ryan Rusillo joining me, the ringer.

I got about a minute left. Tyreek Hill to the Dolphins leaves the Chiefs. What was your big take on that? Look, average to below average quarterbacks need playmakers. Great quarterbacks will figure it out. And so I get the scheme and the tilting of the field and opening up everything and then defense is changing their coverage to the loud leave stuff underneath. Now is that taken away?

It's Patrick Mahomes. All right? Like this, this flirtation with trying to doubt this guy is not only absurd, but it's entertaining to me. Like, it's the way we are in this business where you're like, hey, are we pretty sure this guy's the best? It's like, I don't know. Did you see what her ever did last week? You know, what about if Josh Allen? Those guys are awesome.

But I still don't put anybody over Mahomes. And I still think the way this front office has kind of just cycle the talent around him in different positions on the field throughout this still very short run. I'm not remotely worried about the chiefs. I'm just not. It's a nice weapon, but if that weapon wants like max money at the receiver position, when other players have taken slightly lesser deals, Mahomes deal is a team-friendly deal. I know the headlines. I know the headlines, everybody lost your mind.

You broke down the numbers. He could have gotten more, especially with the new TV deal coming. That's going to be an incredible deal. They're going to have to redo that deal. So when it comes to the great quarterbacks, I don't worry about the weapons because I saw it first hand with Brady for 20 years. I don't know. I did a Herbert's better than Mahomes topic once. I did.

I know. That's actually what I was talking about. You kind of took a shot of me right there. They did. Cowerd. All right, Rissillo. It's Chet Holmgren. You know, you get to 57-58.

Stuff breaks up here. You got to, you know, sometimes I miss stuff. All right, Rissillo. Let's go out, drink beers and then weekend, okay? Let's do that. All right, a weekend, though. Not during the week. Nope.

Clarity. Got to see the big games. All right, buddy. See you. Ryan Risslo. Chet, Hongren. I watch the game. It's just a, you know,

sometimes things It happens. It's not a big deal. Nailed Holgren. Yeah, he did. Boom. Landed that dive right there. Boom.

Yeah, I don't know. I watch him and I'm like, I mean, when he shot that three pointer and he did that a couple times this year, you're like, what a beautiful jumper. Yeah. It's a beautiful jumper. Hey, he puts the ball on the deck and you're like,

oh, that's nice. Like seven two guy. But man, he needs to put weight on. And he will. They'll put him on a program. He'll bulk up. Well, it's not like we don't have smoothies in Gonzaga. I mean, it's not, you know, he's not out there sitting eating wheat thins and cottage cheese.

They're trying to put weight on him now. It's crazy. All right, next hour. By the way, Tom Silverstein is coming on from the Milwaukee Journal Central. He'll be on the show today. That's great. Articles really fascinating. And it's, of course, I read it.

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