The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - An All-Time All-Star Game, Caitlin Clark Injury

Episode Date: July 16, 2025

Colin explains why the MLB All-Star game was a complete hit last night.The Dallas Mavericks are the favorite to somehow get LeBron James.Caitlin Clark is showing everyone how the WNBA needs to improve.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Here we go. It is a midweek Wednesday. They tell me this is a slow week. It doesn't feel like it. We got a lot to talk about. We are live. We're in Chicago. It's the herd. J-MAC major league baseball. I know on these shows, nobody likes anybody in power. They don't like people in Canada if you're the prime minister. Everybody's divisive. Nobody likes commissioners. But Rob Manfred, baseball's been a case study. in how to pivot in a business that's got tradition and lore and history and a lot of purists.

Last night was three and a half hours of great television for an exhibition. It was really good. Was that not fun? That was as good as all. Yeah, I mean, the Pro Bowl is unwatchable. NBA All-Star Games unwatchable. I know I'm going to sound like a homer. But the Fox production on that broadcast last night was magnificent, a master class.

in TV production between that, the ABS system, lots of runs. Let's talk about it because Major League Baseball a couple of years ago got over itself and decided let's lean into entertainment. They didn't need to revolutionize. They just kind of needed to retrofit. What the 23-year-olds and 31-year-olds? What do they want to watch? Home run derby, ratings up.

Last night, I'm sure, ratings will be significantly up. Miking Clayton Kershaw, a legend are Sandy Kofax, mimking him. I could have sat and watched that for an hour. Here's a clip. I can't believe you're doing this, Clayton. I can't either. I'm going to try to throw some cheese real quick.

Hold on. All right. We're going cheese again. Oh, yeah. Let's go. I mean, you and Paul Skeens are pretty much the same guy. Right down the middle. I'm so glad he didn't swing.

What do you want? Smolte, what do you want? Cutter in. Slider in. I don't throw a cutter, Smolty. Slider. Son of them. All right, what's the count?

Two-two? This is so weird talking to you guys? It's kind of weird for us, too. Hey, sit him down. Oh, boy. Thanks, guys. That was fun. That was fun.

Thank you. I could have just sat and watched that. That's fascinating. An inside glimpse. Lean into entertainment, lean into technology. Now, some of baseball's growth is because Aaron Judge plays for the Yankees. Notani plays for the Dodgers. The Dodgers might as well have a National League All-Star team.

But they're stars in Kansas. City and stars in Pittsburgh. And the sport just stopped fawning over tradition and stopped taking itself so seriously. And also wearing the real jerseys, great for casuals and purists alike. Last two years have been amazing by this sport. And so the National League jumped out to a 6-0 lead. I was just about ready to tweet, NL, once again, better than the AL. But they had a big 6-inning, a couple of home runs for the National League.

And it looked like Paul Steens was going to walk out of there with a win. but that didn't last long because the American League roared back from a 6-0 deficit because of, hello, the Sacramento A's Brent Rooker. Let's hear it. Way to go, Pete Alonzo. Let's hear it for the Sacramento A's bringing the American League back from a 6-0 deficit. So then, as they eventually tied it, they didn't go to extra earnings because teams don't want to have players then flying home off a 14-inning game.

So they went to a swing off, and the great Kyle Schorber, who just hits bombs for a living, went three for three, and here's how it ended. AL rallied in the game, NL has rallied in the swing. Oh!

With the Hattrick! Look out Chop House. National League takes the lead four to three. Unbelievable. The National League, wins it in the first swing off. Kyle Swarber wins it going three for three. I got to say, you know, it was pretty exciting.

Like all of a sudden, here we go. And the camaraderie that you kind of build these last couple days with the team, I think went into overdrive there. Like guys were, I mean, our side to see how excited they were out there. And like, you know, it's like, you know, wiffle ball in the backyard. Here we go. let's do it again didn't need to revolutionize the sport speed it up retrofit it make moments big events that felt big last night that's the best all-star game in any sport i've watched in five or six years

and the last time i saw a great all-star game it was baseballs but now and you know listen some of it is the stars are in philadelphia in l a new york the mets and the yankees and and some of it's that, Chicago. But a lot of it is Rob Manfred, just saying, leaning into networks, listening to Fox and other networks on making more moments big. The technology was great. It doesn't hurt that Joe Davis sounds like a young Vin Scully. It just felt magnificent. It felt big. And baseball's been in about a three-year heater. Two things can be true. You can respect tradition, but not be beholden to it, and that's what baseball's done a very good job of. And last night, uh, fantastic. Just fantastic television beginning to end. I watched an hour and a half of the pregame

show. That's how much I was into it. Okay, so I said yesterday, this, you know, it's July. So any little breadcrumb of an NBA or star rumor, it's, it's an inferno. I don't buy LeBron James is going to get traded. He's still really good. It's an expiring contract. Let's see what happens to the trade deadline. The Lakers could have even more leverage. But I'm looking at the betting odds today, and they are heating up that Dallas, Dallas is the favorite now to get LeBron James.

Well, if that's the case, LeBron wins again. No state tax, upgraded coach, Cooper Flagg, reunited with Anthony Davis. Are you kidding me? Let's be honest about the Lakers. I think J.J. Reddick had a decent first year. I like him. We don't know if he's ever going to be as good as Jason Kidd. Maybe not. He got worked in the series against Minnesota. D. Andre Aiton doesn't defend and has an attitude and has in Phoenix and Portland. Austin Reeves, I'm told, can't trade him. Really? Seriously? Not much of a bench. Not much size. Or no state tax. Jason Kidd. Unbelievable. eyes including AD. I mean, I said this, yet you have Luca. But here's a potential lineup.

Now, for simplicity sake, I said if you did a trade, let's say you give them Clay Thompson, PJ Washington, Daniel Gafford, two to three first round picks. This is the Mavericks lineup. Kyrie Irving, Cooper flagged, LeBron, Anthony Davis, and Derek lively. Now, again, they'll probably need a third team. and you'll have to give up a couple of first round picks. But who cares? You have Cooper Flagg and Derek Lively.

You've got a great wing and a great big on rookie deals for years. So you're telling me this is a punishment for LeBron? I would sign up for that today. Better coach, reunited with two guys I've played very well with and won a title with. Kyrie and Anthony Davis and the great domestic star. And here's the thing with LeBron. LeBron is 41 years old. He does not want to be in the floor defending at an elite level.

He doesn't. Well, Anthony Davis and Lively are great rim protectors. So you don't have to worry about that. And Cooper Flagg, at least at the college level, is an excellent defender. I don't know if Cooper Flagg is going to be a great offensive player in the NBA. He's going to be a really good defender. Okay. So he may only average 24 tops.

I don't know. He'll defend year one. So if this is the punishment for LeBron James, James, sign up now for it. I don't think it's going to happen. Here was Anthony Slater from the Athletic on a potential LeBron trade out of L.A. The Lakers can go search for a younger co-star for Luca Donchitz in the market if they want to. Flexibility, optionality has become a popular term in the league,

and that's clearly what the Lakers are prioritizing here. And it's understandable. Just look at the ages, right? LeBron's going to turn 41 next year. It's unbelievable what he's been able to do. But as you mentioned, locking into longer-term money on him, you know, kind of handcuffs them a little bit on building around Luca. Listen, if LeBron won a fourth title and that team with Anthony Davis,

if you can keep lively in Anthony Davis as rim protectors, because you're going to have to get, they have so much depth in Dallas in their front line. They're huge. Best center rotation in the league. Lakers need, I mean, Dianne, you're going to be over him. by like January 15th, you're going to be over his act. So you could get some size from Dallas, a bunch of draft picks. And I think that's what the new owners want.

They don't want to be tied to, like, gigantic, massive contract. You'd probably have to give up Clay Thompson. He could come back to Los Angeles. Michael Thompson, his dad, a very nice guy played for the Lakers, send him, draft picks, size. But if that's punishment, I said this, you know, sports is a little like the stock market. It just depends on the day. the tariffs are going to ruin the economy i don't know i looked at the stock market this week it's at 44 000 plus the Dow it just depends on the day the moment the reaction uh investor sentiment

when this trade got done lucca to the lakers it was the end of the mavericks franchise and i said on this show in front of this microphone no it's not now dallas fell apart physically so it looked far worse than it was but laker fans got a glimpse of what luca is singularly a pro profoundly gifted offensive player. That's what he is. And he kind of feels like he's aging quickly. So, you know, I've always said this. You can talk about guys all you want.

When they're on your team, you pay close attention. Everybody said Lakers are going to win titles and Dallas is done. And I kept saying, no, they're not. They've got a great coach. It's an attractive place. They got Kyrie. They've got Anthony Davis and a massive center rotation. And in the NBA, guards and,

Biggs are really important right now. You're going to have to defend Yokic, going to have to defend Wembe, you got to defend Janus, you know, you got to have Biggs. OKC won a title, had two Biggs, Holmgren, Hardinstein. So it's just so funny the way sports works is everybody thought Dallas was doomed. If this thing came to fruition, sign me up for Dallas minimum Western Conference Finals. J-Mack doesn't want to hear it. I'm becoming a Mavericks fan.

My only question is, would the GM, Nico Harrison, want to make another deal? I would do that deal in one second. I'll give you two bigs, three first round picks, Clay Thompson, put in a third team. I've said this before. Austin Reeves with LeBron James, you're talking yourself into, wow,

put Austin Reeves in Washington, and he disappears. He disappears. Kyle Kuzman, disappeared in Washington, and he's his talented as Austin Reeves, or close. So, Colin, yeah. Obviously, if you're the Mads, you do this deal in a heartbeat. What's in it for the Lakers?

What are we doing? Those picks are going to be garbage. Those two or three picks? They're going to be like 27 to 32. Well, remember, you have new ownership, and they want to build it their way. What do the Dodgers do when Mark Walter came in? Give us draft picks, get our front office right? They do not want aging players.

The Lakers history is size wins, get draft picks. And by the way, when LeBron contract is off the books and he's out, then you can go big game hunting in one year. I don't think it's going to happen. I don't. But if that's punishment, for all the people that think LeBron's going to get traded, I would sign up today for that deal. Well, wait a second. If I'm the Lakers, there's no way I'm doing the deal. But if you swap out Gafford for Lively, Lively is younger.

He does seem a little injury prone. Younger and cheaper. I want that. I don't want, I'm sorry, I don't want the Daniel Gafford contract on my books. By the way, the Lakers want clean books because they think maybe Yokic could be available in a year or two. Janus could be available in a year or two. I don't know. Would they come to L.A. to play with Luca? I don't know. Well, if San Antonio starts winning, you're going to have to go through Wembe. So if I'm the Lakers, the reason I think of doing this deal with Dallas is I need a front line. DeAndre Aiton doesn't defend. We're very cool. We make a lot. We make a lot. We make a lot of, we make.

see it this year with all the way the dominoes are falling for san antonio the west may go through san antonio not denver oklahoma city if wemby becomes what we think it's because wemby's already got a couple of kids next to him that can really play so if if it has to go through wemby you can't have jackson hayes or d'andre aate and you need multiple bigs and multiple fouls what about the houston rockets they're very good i love that team right now i love that team this year and the next year. That's a two-year team with KD. Let's see what transpires. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's me, Rob Parker. Check out my weekly MLB

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I follow you. So it's just very refreshing for me in July. We don't have to talk a ton of NFL yet because there's really good stuff going on. And last night I watched, as I was watching the All-Star game, I was on another TV. I was watching Caitlin Clark in the Indiana fever. So I've compared her to Michael Jordan, not stylistically, obviously, but in merchandise sales, kind of a dynastic TV rating changer.

And in year one, like you just were like, wow, nobody plays like that. and then in year two, Michael Jordan got hurt, and then in year two for Caitlin Clark, she's getting banged up and hurt. Why did MJ always get hurt early? Because they were tackling him. Nobody knew how to stop him. And the WNBA officiating is just changed.

Like it was always a physical league. Now it's insane. So last night she gets hurt again, and she's in a shooting slump. And I think a lot of it is she's banged up in year two, like Michael Jordan. And Michael was fighting to come back, and she's fighting to come back,

and she re-injured a groin. So she's still scoring and still a team leader and assists, but she's been banged up. And, you know, by the way, her brother went to social media last night. No lies told. Colin Clark said, make no mistake, this is on the reffing. And even Stephanie White, fever coach, has noticed it. The officials are just letting a lot of stuff go that almost feels inappropriate.

I'm not exactly sure why, but it just, is what it is. And we've got to help her learn to adjust and use it against them in certain ways. You know, we've got to find some ways to make it a little bit easier for her. But the level of physicality overall in our league has been at a different level than it's been for a long time. And so she's probably hurt again. And again, it has an MJ feel. Rocket to the moon, year two, a lot of physicality allowed, injuries. nobody quite knows how to defend her. You know, the pistons are picking on,

the Celtics are picking on MJ, who's dropping 50, and Caitlin Clark now is alienating some of the players. And, you know, Hollywood knows how to handle stars. There's a playbook. But I noticed this when Tiger Woods came to the PGA tour at the first, or Caitlin Clark, a little turbulence. They don't quite have a playbook on how to do it.

And I think right now they need better officials. right now, WNBA officials make less, according to the Washington Post, and college officials do. That's a problem. They're paying as little as $180 to WNBA officials. I'm sorry, the leagues arrived. $450 minimum, $550, $6.50, $7.50 is what officials should be making. But what Caitlin Clark is, is she is a little bit like a black light in a hotel room, where she's illuminating all the flaws.

And you bring that black light in and, uh-oh, need another cleaning crew. in the hotel room. So first she illuminated the executive level of the WNBA and their inability to market or kind of see around corners. Then she illuminated how second and third tier the WNBA travel was. And then she sort of provided a glimpse of the pettiness and the tribal nature of this league, which is still young. And also she kind of provided a glimpse of black light on the women's Olympic

basketball movement and how silly that was and behind the curve that was. So she's really providing glimpses of, you're seeing all of it in real time is that she's saying, guys, let's get better fast. And she's almost like a stress test to a power grid. And we've got rolling blackouts in the WMBA. They just, the league, the marketing, the players, the travel. Now we're seeing the officiating needs to be upgraded. so I don't want to be too punitive because the games are fun to watch when she's involved.

But she is really kind of giving you a glimpse in real time of how the league needs to improve. And I think the officiating is the next step. She's going to do to officiating what she did at travel. It's time to upgrade. You can't have college officials making more than WNBA officials. And I got nothing against college officiating. Women's basketball is, you know, by and large, It's more national and popular than the WNBA has been for years until Caitlin arrived.

But the officiating's out of control. I mean, Sophie Cunningham last night looked like hockey. It got checked into the boards. You know, well, she's flopping. Not really, it was a stiff arm. I don't think it was flopping. So it's just the latest illumination. And this is what happened when a star shows up on tour.

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Yankees' legends Alex Rodriguez and Derek Jeter both made some pretty bold claims about their former team. Take a listen. So this year, I am going with the New York Yankees. Brian Cashman, Yankees are going to beat the Cubs. in the World Series. Whoa. Going with the Yankees because Cashman basically said he's all in. So I expect the Yankees to do something at the trade deadline.

Whatever GM, there's going to be a competition of the best front office that does the most bold moves in the trade deadline. And I'm going to go with the most resources, Yankees and Dodgers. All the eyes will be on Brian Cashman to make the move to finally get over the LA Dodgers in October. I actually agree with that. Cubs are pretty good, though. this, the Dodgers got to get their pitching right, which I think they will. But I also feel like, and I'm no Yankee expert, but with Garrett Cole not here, I think the American League is weaker. The Yankees can get to a World Series, but when you watched the World Series last year

with the Dodgers, everybody talks about Aaron, Judge, fifth inning air. But the truth was, when Garrett Cole did not pitch in those two games he pitched, they were as good as the Dodgers. He was the equalizer. When he wasn't pitching in that, series, the Dodgers ran the bases better, were more athletic, had more versatility and power all through the line. It looked like a total mismatch of roster composition when Garrett Cole wasn't pitching and he's out. So if they want to make a trade, they got to get an arm or two at the deadline. I like how both Arod and Jeter referenced Brian Cashman. Both of them, Colin, is this a nod? Yankees guys to another Yankee's.

Brian, go get us what we need to finish the job. I don't know. I read this as the Yankees still need more pieces and they got to make some moves here. Colin, I think they're close. I don't hate the Yankees pick. It's tough to go against the Dodgers. Let's be honest. You're going to be at full strength.

They're three best players in the World Series last year were Juan Soto, Garrett, Col, and Aaron Judge, and two are gone, right? Soto's now a met and Garrett Cole's out. And when Garrett Cole was not on the mound in that World Series, It did not look like two even teams. That's just one series. That's a small sample size. Let's look at them this year.

They look fine. I do think you can get some ancillary parts here in the season and near the deadline. And I think the Yankees are going to be there. I don't know what the, what's his Red Sox pick? Do you see that? Well, they're on fire. You know, we'll see. Anyways.

All right, Randy Moss. Next story is Randy Moss, obviously one of the best receivers of all time. I have him right there with Jerry Rice. but interestingly, Moss said he doesn't think Tyreek Hill is an all-time great. When asked where Tyreek Hill ranks all-time, Moss responded, he's nowhere all-time. Where is he at today's game? Tyree-Cills probably top five.

Colin, I'm not surprised with this. I don't hate this take from Moss. I don't think Tyree-Hill's an all-time great receiver. No, no. Yeah, so I don't, this shouldn't be controversial. Yeah, I don't think it's controversial at all. I think Randy Moss is arguably with Jerry Rice, the greatest receiver of all time.

I still think Calvin Johnson was insane, although Larry Fitzgerald, there's a lot. I could name 50. I grew up with Steve Largent. He's still one of my top ten favorites in all time. I don't know if he's above Tyreek Hill, but Tyreek Hill is he's electric, but that

doesn't qualify as anything more than electric. It's like saying, when I grew up, there was a baseball player named Dave Kingman. Kingman played for the bat. He was a home run guy. Was he a great fielder? Was he a great? No, Dave Kingman hit home runs. Like Adam Dunn, hit bombs. Tyreek Hill delivers bombs. He is the over the... But in the end of the day, to be great, you have to provide more than that.

And I think there's times... I always thought going to Miami, I thought people overvalued his importance in Kansas City. I remember when he left, I'm like, Kansas City's going to do fine. They're going to do fine. I think he's a great player, but I wouldn't have him near the top 10 all time. We can address currently, is he top five? We'll do that later in the show, because another list came out about current receivers. Listen, Tyree Kill, you could throw him in space,

and he's a major problem. Okay, so here's a prime example. I don't know what the list is, the top five list, but I'll tell you, a guy I love, Ammer on St. Brown. He's on the list, yeah. Now, he was a fourth round pick, but I love, first of all, smart kid, route tree,

willing to block, even though he's kind of small, great on third down. So I don't know if he fills into a top five, but you're telling me if I'm a quarterback, who is a reliable hands guy with great routes? I think Pooka Naku is a top five guy. I think he's really good. When you walk into the NFL as a rookie

and you're that productive, that's different. That doesn't happen. Colin, I think there's two guys who if you throw it to them in space. They're a threat to take it the distance. The two greatest ever. Jay J.J. and Jefferson. Oh, I was going to say Moss and Tyreek Hill. I mean, you throw a bubble screen to Tyree Kill.

He could take that the distance. Randy Hill, same deal. The speed column. Yeah, but Tyree Kill is not nearly as good as Jamar Chase or Justin Jefferson. Those two guys are considered like next level athletes. I would say for me, and those guys are great, I'm a Amaran St. Brown guy. I think he's a really, really special.

Terry McLaren's another guy that I think has not always played until last year with great quarterbacks. Look how productive Terry McLaren's been with battle lines, inefficient coaching, and average quarterback play. And look how productive Terry McLaren's been. If you put Terry McLaren with Matt Stafford when he broke in, what do you think his numbers look like? I should mention Garrett Wilson, but I'll save it for the discussion later. All right. Let's go to your favorite division in football. Because you're Mr. Chicago now, and that's the NFC North.

However, Colin, interesting note coming out of Detroit. So Ben Johnson moves as the OC from Detroit to Chicago. The new OC is starting to line up Jemir Gibbs on the outside this season. Here is Jemir Gibbs talking about this slight change. A lot of stuff is the same, but I got to learn the formations for being split out. I'm being split out, I guess, like, way more than I was the past two years. So that's good. That's going to be fine.

No waiting on that. He wants me to be more involved in it. So that's what he players are doing. I wonder if they're doing that. They attacked the Interior O line in the draft. I wonder if they're doing that because their center retired. And their feeling is the Interior O line's going to have like rookies playing and there's not going to be as many openings and the interior runs.

They're going to move Gibbs outside. Because you're not going to replace that center they lost. I think they drafted two or three interior linemen this draft. But none of them were technically centers, like pure centers. Colin, this reminds me when I, the last time, you know, I had run that website for a while and then someone bought the website. And then they were like, hey, we want to do this. What do you want to do?

And I'm like, guys, I've been running the site. We're making money. I know what works. Our formula is crushing it. And they were like, yeah, we want to change stuff. So they fired me. They changed stuff. And they went under in two years.

The Detroit Lions formula, the last conference, the last couple years has been awesome, okay, under Ben Johnson. If I'm the new guy, I do a lot of what we've been doing. This idea that all of a sudden, Jamir Kids, dynamic back, let's move him on the outside. Colin, I hear this stuff and I have a little bit of pause that the new guy is trying to put his stamp, really, on the Lions, and I get a little nervous. I just hearing this, and again, maybe it's not a ton of plays, but I don't love a lot of change for this Detroit Lions offense. They're a machine the last few years.

What are you doing here? Yeah, I think coaches want their own stamp on it. I've thought about that a lot. Like, I, if, I mean, Ben Johnson the last two years, he's been literally a talking point on this show. How great schematically. So whatever the next guy is, he's not going to be as profoundly gifted as Ben Johnson.

He's not. I mean, he could be good. He could be successful. He's not going to be Ben Johnson. Like when Kyle Shanahan left Atlanta and made Matt Ryan the MVP, whoever replaced Kyle Shanahan could be good. They were not going to be Kyle Shanahan, who turned Matt Ryan in the best quarterback in the league for a year.

So I just don't think they'll be as, I don't think they'll be as explosive offensively. I think there's a small percentage of coaches that literally you watch a game. And I always felt this about Brian Flores, the defensive coordinator with the Minnesota Vikings. I can watch them play, and I could guess, oh, that's Brian Flores' defense, where I can see the imprint or the footprint of a coach, a coordinator. And I think Ben Johnson has that, and I don't think it's replaceable first in the building.

You have to go on a countrywide search. To be clear, Gibbs on the outside against the safety, he's going to be too fast, a linebacker, he's probably too fast. Like, he's going to be a matchup nightmare, which makes sense. But, again, I'm just, I'm not in on the Lions this year. year. And we had a gambler last week when you were gone. Talk about the Detroit Lions under wind total is getting hammered in Vegas. Just keep an eye on that. What is it? It's been plummeting from like 11.5. I don't know if it'll get down to 10 and a half, but this is not going to be like

a 1415 win team. It's just not. No, it's not. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. Maya Angelou once said, people show you who they are believe them and that's not necessarily a negative in all cases we'll talk about that coming up be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific Hey it's us the Jonas brothers and guess what we have some big news what's the news news news news we created our own podcast called hey Jonas we invented a podcast well we didn't invent it we just contributed to a first people to do podcasts pretty yeah pretty wide range of podcasts we're starting a but this one's extra special.

So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. We were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down?

Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey Jonas, and then I wrote down on my little notepad Hey Jonas and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

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The Red Sox take on Rising Star, Pete Crow Armstrong and the Cubs, or the Cardinals Battle of the Diamondbacks. Check local listings for the game in your area. Saturday, 7 Eastern on Fox. Remember when the Cardinals used to be consistently great? They don't even draw like they used to. Whatever. So it's the SEC Media Days, and I thought last year was the first year in a long time that at the top of the Big Ten was better than the top of the SEC.

And I think a lot of that is there's more money at some of those big schools in the Big Ten, and they're paying for better classes outside of Texas. So I think Maya Angelou has this quote, people show you who they are, believe them. And years ago, when Johnny Mansell, everybody was in love with Johnny Mansell, I went on this show at another network and said, do not draft him. Money obsessed, incredibly immature, kicked out of the Peyton Manning camp, do not draft him. He's too small, too cocky, maybe a good guy, but like even a family member was like, yeah, he's out of control. And nobody listened.

And all the fan boys in Texas A&M, you don't know him. I don't need to know him. I watched him. I saw what matter doing. And I think it's really interesting. Arch Manning, there's a lot of speculation how good he's going to be. He's already shown you who he is. In the portal era where quarterbacks transfer at the slightest discomfort,

despite being more talented the last two years, he's quietly been a backup at Texas. Didn't say anything. Team player. I think he's better than Quinn Ewers last year. I did. I was never a Quinn Ewers guy. everybody loved him. What do you get drafted? Seventh round? I never bought it. And he sat behind him. And Shadoor Sanders. I said this. I was willing to give him a chance, but you're a fifth rounder and you get two speeding tickets in a week. You showed me who you are, bra. I'm out. And I think the media often panders to young athletes and excuses bad behavior. And maybe that's the thing to do. I won't do it at quarterback. No, I'm going to judge you. I'm going to judge you hard because quarterbacks has much about IQ.

EQ and leadership. That's why I've said about Jalen Hertz. I don't love him in the pocket. Love him as a guy. I said that with Dak. I don't like the way he throws. I think he's a B-minus quarterback talent. Love the intelligence, love the leadership,

love the toughness. And by the way, I don't know how good Arts Manning is, but he has shown you who he is. I mean, if a wide receiver drops in the depth chart, they want to transfer mid-season. They transfer to a rival. Arch is like, yeah, I'm just going to sit here and be a good teammate and keep quiet and get better. And he's clearly made of the right stuff.

And I think when it comes to quarterback, when I see kind of a goofy James Winston or a money-obsessed guy, I said this about Baker Mayfield. And Baker's a lot better as a talent, in my opinion, than James Winston ever was or Johnny Mansell. But I said, is he ready to go to dysfunctional Cleveland as the number one pick? No, that's not going to work long term. and the coach and the GM got rid of him. Now I think in Tampa, which is a quieter franchise, it works, he's rebooted his career,

and he deserves every penny of the money. But at the time, I was like, he's not ready for it, it's going to implode, and it did. They moved off him. He didn't move off them. So here's Sark talking about the hype and the hope and the optimism for Arch Manning. A little matter, guy,

that he doesn't have to try cheap heart. I think him being himself at his core is what's going to be good enough for people to get a sense and feel for who he is. And ultimately, with his teammates, you know, when you don't have to act, but you don't have to hurt it on the front of something different than you are, it's a lot easier to do. And I think he's going to be good. How good I don't know, but I think he's going to be good.

So this is really interesting. Robert Kraft, the owner of the Patriots, and Bill Belichick, former legendary coach of the Patriots, do not like each other. Like at all. There was a documentary that came out, and people thought it was Kraft, undermining Belichick's legacy and leaking a lot of stuff. And I watched that it was fine.

A lot of Patriot diehards thought it was a shot at Belichick. So Robert Kraft came out in an interview with Julian Edelman and said this about Belichick. For a coach who had only won a little over 40% of his game to get him out. I don't know if there are any jet fans here. but I think getting Bill Belichick to come to the Patriots in 1999. It was a big risk, and I got hammered in the Boston media. But I think he was with us for 24 years, and we did okay. By the way, Belichick has responded,

quote, I had been warned by previous Patriots coaches, as well as members of other NFL organizations in the media that the Patriots job had a lot of obstacles. So they're all protecting legacies. And my take is Tom Brady's the reason why. If Brady goes to Tampa and doesn't do anything, you can just say, well, Brady, Belichick, and Kraft, they needed each other.

You could add Josh McDaniels to that, who failed as a head coach twice. If Brady goes to Tampa and it's a nothing burger, you can go out and say, hey, man, sometimes those guys all needed each other. But when Brady goes to a 500 team that was talented but kind of dysfunctional and wins a Super Bowl the first year, now everybody goes, oh, what do they look at? They go look at Belichick. It's like a divorce.

A woman upgrades, marries a smart, handsome, successful guy. What do we all do? now we go look at the guy well who'd you end up with because she upgraded who'd you end up with and that's what you do in divorces when somebody has super success

if Brady would have done nothing it would have been a this Kraft and Belichick would have been fine I don't think they ever loved each other and Bill can be kind of petty and surly whatever and Kraft can be manipulative and you know he's a billionaire you don't get there by you know just playing it straight all the time

but I think Brady's success has forced people to reevaluate Bill Belichick. So if you look at Bill Belichick before Tom Brady, he was 41 and 57, and got banged out by Cleveland. Okay, and then if I think he was 5 and 13 before Brady Bledso was injured, and Brady got to start in New England.

And then in the one year, Brady got hurt, Matt Castle won a bunch of games, but they didn't win playoff games. and then Brady leaves, and one year later, they are regressing badly. So again, if Brady doesn't succeed in Tampa, I wouldn't care about it. I'd be like, hey, it was the perfect marriage. But when Brady crushes, it makes any time a divorce happens, and somebody crushes, somebody upgrades. Oh, look who he married.

He's kind of a loser. And so it's made, I've said this before, is Belichick would have been better off staying for one year after Brady retired. Brady wins a Super Bowl. He, Mac Jones actually made a Pro Bowl and retiring and just saying, hey, I'm going to take a year off. Because if you really look at what happened in New England, that Brady, now you can say it, was a life preserver the last five years and was getting them into playoff contention and Super Bowl contention. They had no speed. I mean, the minute Brady left within a year, you're like, oh, wow, this is the slowest roster in the NFL because Belichick took over personnel. And that's what happened to Pete Carroll in Seattle. It's what happens when

a coaches get ultimate power. Andy read the exception. He doesn't want anything to do with personnel. These coaches now start controlling the draft. And I think in San Francisco right now, they've had so many bad draft picks. I think Kyle Shanahan's got too much power. So, yeah, it's made me, and then you throw in that Belichick got no offers. Atlanta interviewed him a couple times, but he didn't get an offer. Rehneem Morris got the gig, and you're like, ugh, uh, uh. So once again, Brady comes out smelling like roses, but his success has forced us to just go back and look at Belichick,

and it's not, you know, and it's just interesting. So because of his production with Brady, we consider Belichick the greatest coach of all time, and many, and I am one of these people, I think he wanted to break Don Shula's all-time record. But when you talk about the great coaches, and I've said this before, remember the CTE lawsuit where the NFTA,

had to write like a $900 million check for not disclosing the punitive nature of CTE, if that would have been written a decade earlier, if the NFL would have been called out on CTE a decade earlier, and they would have pivoted with their rules and legislation to more of an offensive league, I believe Belichick would have two or three fewer Super Bowls, and Andy Reid would have two or three more. And I think we'd look at Andy Reid the way we look at Belichick. But Andy Reid until about 10 years ago, eight years ago, until they started like pivoting to an offensive league, the rules all worked against offensive coaches. Now they all work in favor because of safety implementation to make the game safer to stay away from lawsuits and injuries, especially head injuries.

All right, hour two, AJ Prasinski's stopping by. A lot to talk about today on a Wednesday. We're live. It's the herd. Hey, guys, it's us and the Jonas brothers. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what?

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