The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Angel Reese and the WNBA

Episode Date: June 5, 2024

Colin discusses Angel Reese getting ejected and encourages us to open our arms to the WNBA  The Packers have shown us they know how develop QBs The Cowboys seem to care about money way too much   Guest: Channing FryeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Star-studded Yankees and the Dodgers. Channing Frye Rachel Nichols Jamack Gotta tell you something I'm watching What is happening We have an exploding sport I remember about 15 years ago

When the UFC exploded And then their catalyst Was ultimately for massive growth Was Connor McGregor They've been popular before then But Connor McGregor lit it on fire And he came with controversy And from then on out

They are rolling as a sport, as we just lost power briefly in the building. But the WNBA is doing the same. Last night, Angel Reese, ejected from the game. Yesterday we said she's the Draymond Green. She got ejected. She waved off the officials twice. Waved them off. They said, you can't do that.

T, you're out of here. Good news, it was only $200. She can crowdsource that. What you're seeing right now. now, they call this in Hollywood, character development. Caitlin Clark, the star, Angel Reese, the antagonist, the media fueling the story. Kennedy Carter, a bit part, little villain. This is how it works.

It's what we want in sports, drama, conflict. But I want to offer, if I may, as a casual, oh my, I'm a casual, a little advice. been doing this a long time. The WNBA, if you have a choice and you do, be a little like country music. One of the things I've always liked and admired about country music, doesn't matter where you're from, doesn't matter how long you've been into it.

It's an easy entry. Hey, Kenny Chesney's in town tonight. Want to go? Yeah. And it feels like, as you're drinking a beer, smoking whatever, dancing, having a good time at 10.45 at night, east coast, west, Midwest, South, you're part of the party, no judging. Beyonce, post-Malone are in country music. Jelly roll looked like country music in the 70s.

Nobody cares. It's a party. Come on in, have fun. That's the opposite of the American soccer fan, especially the young ones. every Grayson, every Ethan, every Josh, judgmental. The minute you like soccer, are you part of the club? Three knocks and a passcode. There's this weird purity to it.

It's just a turn off. And I love soccer. Stop quizzing us. We'll figure out what off-sides means. But the WNBA now is embarking on the explosion and embrace era. Open your arms to new fans. don't judge them because they didn't cover you before. You weren't that popular.

You were UFC before a couple of their early stars like Connor McGregor. Neesh, growing, good business strategy, a lot to like. But every sport needs a catalyst outside of the traditional baseball, basketball, football. Even basketball, I could argue the NBA needed magic and bird. In the 70s, a lot of stories. about cocaine, drug use, bankruptcy, horrendous owners, empty arenas. Taped, delayed NBA finals after the 11 o'clock news. Even pro basketball at one point in America needed a catalyst. You've got yours. Be like country music. What are you doing the night? Let's go. Let's not be

judged. It doesn't matter if people have been into the WNBA before. I wasn't. Now I am. America's very tribal right now. Got to pick aside, right? But we've always been better as a country as a campfire than a closed door. Right now, Caitlin Clark's, the rising hero. Angel Reese, the antagonist. But it's fluid.

Why can I change my mind? Vote Democrat, vote Republican. Maybe I'll like Angel Reese in a year and be tired of Caitlin Clark. Either way, open your arms. Don't be soccer dweeby. Don't be too good for people that want to join the club. You're exploding.

It's fun. There's character development. Be like a streaming service. Whoever joins joins, they may leave, but just try to get them back. Offer new character development. Try to get them back. We're always better. is a campfire than a closed door.

I'm watching the WNBA. May not when the football season starts. I'll leave the streaming service. You'll get me back next May, June, and July. And that's okay. Most of my listeners, my most die-hard listeners for 20 years, listen twice a week. Those are the die-hards.

Casuals are always welcome. Nothing casual about the NFL and about the way the Green Bay Packers do quarterbacks, which is to say they always do it right. So I tend to believe we are all sort of our resumes. I will judge you when you walk in the door if you have some age to you based on your resume, your life. I'm not seeking perfection.

Thankfully, my wife isn't either. But your resumes matter. Don't dismiss your actions and your choices and your judgment over time. I will make judgment based on your life choices. And when it comes to quarterbacks, Green Bay is really good at it. And even though I'd like to see six, seven, eight more starts from Jordan Love, I only really got a great December in January.

The Packers are and have seen enough. Therein, GM Brian Kudenk told local media in Milwaukee, we're working on a deal. It should be done soon. We're in those conversations right now. And I think a nice part about this is none of these things are always easier fast, but both parties want the same thing. You know, we'd like to get this done, you know, before training camp for sure. And, you know, both parties want to get a contract exception done.

I think that stability at that position really allows you to, you know, have some security with the way we build our team. So we're looking forward to getting that done, but it never goes fast. Jordan Love last year was bad early, good middle, great late. In December, 11 touchdowns one pick, 69% completion percentage, and a 107 passer rating. Yeah, Jordan Love, though, if he goes to Tennessee, maybe Carolina plays too early, could have been a disaster. This is what the Packers do. They draft their patient and they develop. Look at your own life.

How valuable was your mom? maybe a high school football coach, maybe an aunt, maybe your first boss who had patience. Jordan Love got busted for smoking pot in college, had a bad junior year. I talked to GMs who weren't in him at all, but those were GMs that needed quarterbacks to play immediately.

Green Bay never does. They moved off Favreth. Brett had one more great year in him than regressed. They moved off Aaron Rogers. Jordan Love by December looked better. Jordan Love could have easily been another first-round miss. A discarded quarterback in a league full of them. But instead, Green Bay and Matt Lafleur and Brian Gudencoons,

this what they do found him. We're patient. They developed. And in one season last year, he went from bad to pretty good to wow. And they're all in. Guidance, patience. Green Bay treats quarterbacks in a way like we should all. treat our kids. They get frustrated, but they keep imparting wisdom, they keep being patient,

they take their time, and then before anybody else quite sees it, they go all in. And they've been right three times in a row. No other franchise in league history has done quarterbacks from drafting and developing better than the smallest market in America for pro sports. I've always said sometimes there's a disadvantage to being in New York, D.C., Philadelphia, Los Angeles, you have more money and waste more money. They can't afford to do that in Green Bay. Free agents generally don't choose them. And that patience once again pays off at the sport's most important position.

Jordan Love should have a contract before the season starts. Jay Mack, I'm telling you, this WNBA stuff, I love now Angel Reese, waving off the officials, not for me, for others, and they find her $200 fine in the WNBA for the first three T's, and then they start rambling it up.

Oh, that's $200. She can go to a GoFundMee crowdsource and they'll pay for that. I will personally pay for Angel Reese's tech. I think so I think Alonzo Ball was at the game and said he'll pay for it or something like that. I think it's great. I don't know. What do you think she said to the ref?

She didn't talk to the media afterwards, so we don't know. She ducked the media again. You've clearly taken a side on the angel. No, I don't have a side. I'm not tribal. I'm going to call it like I see it. Remember, I defended Angel Reese at the final four in 20, what was it, 23? Or she was pointing at the finger for Caitlin Clark.

Caitlin Clark did the same thing earlier in the tournament. I defended Reese. So I'm going to call her out here. You're saying a curse word clearly to a ref here late in the game getting a tech and then waving them off, getting a second tech. Like the league does need to clean up its act, right? You can't have people body checking folks and... Would I be leading on my show today?

450 affiliates. Would I be leading if she didn't wave off the ref? Probably not. Character development. It's happening right in front of our eyes. By the way, you don't think when Connor McGregor came to the UFC, you don't think he and Data White

understood the value and doing things that occasionally ruffled feathers. Yeah. Connor McGregor gets it. He doesn't care to be a villain. He was on track to be like a plumber when he was 22 years old. Floyd Mayweather knew what he was doing when he became Money

Mayweather. This is a like 22 year old woman who's a rookie in the WNBA. You think she wants this onslaught of negativity coming her way? I think she's sort of embracing it. Just be careful what you wish for. We've said it's it ain't easy. By the way,

it's seven, eight, nine, ten years old we're all plumbers. It takes the right leadership, the right guidance, the right timing, the right parents. Have we ever seen a female athlete embrace the hate and bring it on on the vote? Have we ever seen that? Yes. Megan Rapino kind of likes it. She pokes people in the ribs. She's had quite a career. I think we've seen it before. Why are we okay with guys? Why are we okay with men doing it and we have a trouble with women doing it?

Well, I'm fully excited for her to try this. I'm just saying, be careful what you wish for. There are not a lot of examples of this. Rapino was like in her 30s, I believe. I think we've had a couple of UFC fighters have been willing to push back. Do they have the spotlight that Angel Reese does right now? Well, I mean, spotlight or not, there's a certain, there's a certain microscope on all professional athletes regardless of league. I mean, but I think we've had, and my takeaway is this, I'm not saying this is planned, but I don't think, I don't see. You say you're not tribal, but anything that works people up, they're emotionally embedded in, I find this to be just a wonderful circus.

You think I don't love it? We're talking about it. I talked about it on my podcast. Like, this is fun. People want to hear takes on the WNBA for, I think the first time ever is... Yeah, and that's okay, by the way.

I was not a country music fan growing up. I liked rock and roll. I was ACDC Van Halen, Guns and Roses. And then all of a sudden, my wife likes country music for the same reason I do. It feels like a good time and a party and a cocktail.

And I just hope the WNBA doesn't get too concerned about who loved us forever. soccer does that way too much. Soccer can be totally dweeby and provincial and tribal. I hope the WNBA just says, come on in. It's fun. It's a good time. Yeah, well, the NBA is smart.

They're not playing to a base in America. They're like, hey, global audience. Come on in. We got a lot of people. A lot of new guys in this league. By the way, did you see the NBA contracts they're finalizing? I'm guessing they're large. $8 billion, three networks.

I thought the league was dying. I thought the league. Nobody watches. Nobody cares. I thought the NBA was going downhill. There's two leagues in this country that are on fire from a financial perspective, the NFL and the NBA. Now, college football is growing, but it's got, it's rickety in some, it's got all sorts of issues. And baseball makes money, but it is struggling when they signed a Roku deal, which by any standard for a major network or major league was kind of embarrassing. So the NBA, basketball in America, women's college, men's college March Madness, NBA,

WNBA is on fire. By the way, I saw an executive downstairs this morning, and let's just say there's some excitement over Yankees Dodgers. Not only this weekend, but for the World Series. Yeah. That's going to be big. I mean, the Yankees don't have their ace, and they lead baseball ERA. They've got four guys getting people out.

They don't even have Garrett Cole yet. He's getting close, though. He looked good this week. Yeah. That's right. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

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We usually pick about six or seven to talk about of late WNBA getting more love. I saw this story, two of the stories that were on my desk, CD Lamb Extension, Micah Parsons, willing to wait but expects to be the highest paid non-quarterback in due time. So does C.D. Lamb. Twenty years, the Patriots dominated this league. I never heard about money. It's all I hear about with Dallas. But when your owner wants to have the coolest stadium and the nicest yacht

and the biggest most brash facilities and be called America's team, players feed off it. When I lived out east, Connecticut, I was always taken back by how much wealth there was, but I remember once driving on an area called the Merritt Parkway, and I told my wife, I'm like, I've never seen a Porsche on this. I've never seen a Maserati. And we're driving through Greenwich,

Darien, Westport, some of the richest parts of the country. Old money. Old money. The Gatsby's of the world. Didn't feel a need to constantly show it off. The Packers and the Steelers and the NFL are old money. The Cowboys should be, but

Jerry's got to put those ostrich boots on the table and flash it. And this is the downside to it. The trickle-down economics of the Cowboys. A linebacker wants to be the highest paid, wide receiver, give me the money. I feel like I've been in an eight-year cycle of DAC contract talks. Yet when the greatest tied in arguably ever, Travis Kelsey recently signed a deal with Kansas City. I didn't know it was coming. There was a brief press conference.

It ended, and we haven't talked about it since. That's what rich people and winners do. They don't have to constantly roll up the sleeves and show you the Rolex, brag about their last yacht trip. Jerry Jones and the Cowboys, I swear, all I've heard this off-season, I want mine. I didn't hear it with New England for 20 years. I know Mahomes makes a lot of money. He doesn't throw it in anybody's face. I feel like that's all we've talked about for DAC forever.

You don't have to keep showing everybody you got money. The Packers don't. The Steelers don't. And the Packers win a lot more in the postseason. Maybe it's a Dallas thing. Maybe it's a Texas thing. A lot of sequins down there. Biggest cowboy hat wins.

But it's just exhausting. And it's all the wrong stuff. If you've got it, you don't need to constantly flaunt it. Mac with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Let's start with one of your favorite quarterbacks in the NFL.

Tuatungabalawa still wants his long-term deal as his rookie contract winds down. I think you said Tuwa is looking skinny or are we just talking thin? I don't know what he does look a little scary. Not quite. I think you would reference Ozenek. I don't think he went there. However, he's talked about the negotiations and watching other quarterbacks get paid before him. I'm not blind to people that, you know, are in my position that are getting paid.

Am I concerned about it? I'm not concerned about it, but there's a lot of discussions, you know, that we've had that, you know, we just are trying to move that thing into the right direction where we can both be happy. I'm another word, but just wanting to get something done. That's it. Just wanting to get something done. Yeah, more money talk. How about we play football?

I'm ready for the camps to open. I'm done with the money talk. Play football and risk injury? Why not? Life's a risk and injury. I get in my car drive to work, could have an injury. Okay, okay, boomer. I can walk off the curb and get hit by a bus.

Come on. Listen, man, when are you going to start putting on a cape and defending these quarterbacks? Jordan Love, Tua, Trevor Lawrence. Show the man their money. You and I did a draft at the end of the show the other day, and Tua did not make our top 12. So?

I'm not protecting people unless there is production, value, health, and a trajectory. This idea is so absurd that next guy up gets the back. No, he doesn't. It's so absurd. That's not the way it works. It is next superstar up. quarterback I can't live without. Like, Jordan Love looks like he could be a star.

He's the next guy up. Hold on. You said next superstar up. I don't think two was a superstar, but can you give me a definition of a superstar? And don't say Patrick Ballast. Well, let's not get, let's, superstar tends to be marketing and production. Like Dale Earnhardt, the late Day of Earnhardt, like in NASCAR was like a superstar. Jeff Gordon was a superstar.

I didn't count how many Daytona 500s they won. So, I mean, some of that is just, hey, a rod in baseball was a superstar. They got one world series. Superstar means a lot of different things, and a lot of that's iconic marketing. But I would say, I always look at quarterbacks as like there's six or seven guys at any one time that you never pick up the phone as a general manager. Then there's another six or seven. You'd pick up the phone, but you wouldn't do the calling. And then the rest of the league, you're on the phone looking to upgrade.

And I think Jordan Love right now is in two. I think he'll go to one very quickly. Where's Tua? He is deep to that you're on the phone looking regularly. So guess what? Nobody's on the phone. You got to pay him, right? You don't have a backup.

You didn't draft a quarterback. You and I are different. You fear. You talk about this a lot. There's a lot of this fear-driven stuff. What are the Cowboys going to do? No, it's not fear. It's what is the game plan.

I want to know what the plan is. Plan for the future. Have a blueprint. Where do we want to go? I just looked at the dolphins, Colin. They're drafting. They didn't take a quarterback. You've got to pay to him.

You can't not pay him now. So now you're haggling over, do we give him 40? Do we give him 45? You don't have to pay him until, isn't it the end of the year? Don't we have another year? He's not going to play without a new. He's going to sit out, sure. And get fined?

You think he's going to sit out. How good of a look is that around the league? Hey, we're not paying our quarterback. If he gets hurt, you know, he's got a history? Total fallacy. Players are selfish. Broadcasters are selfish. I couldn't care less how you treated the last broadcaster.

How you treating Daddy? That's the same with pro athletes don't go. I'm not going to Portland. They didn't give Dame his money. How you treat me? The agents steer a lot of guys. The agents don't steer. Agents don't have nearly the power they fit.

I even watch 60 minutes clutch sports. That thing exists because of LeBron. If you don't have LeBron, they don't grow into a massive business. You could be an agent. Rich Paul would be successful. but I mean the player drives the agent and the agent would tell you that. So Tua says he wants a new deal. You say no, play.

Play out your deal. Then we'll see you at the end of the season. What's the repercussions? What's the repercussions? Well, I guess you'd have to talk to Tua about that and see what his options are. Do you want to play hardball and sit out? Do you want to go play? Do you want to let everybody know that you're getting shafted?

So a limited guy with an injury history decides not to play. Oh, that's good for his grand. But you could structure a new contract around the injuries. Why would I have to do any of it? Just keep playing until the contract's over. What is this thing that I have to pay people early? Why do I have to be... I'll pay LeBron and his prime early.

Because it's the injury risk. That's his problem. That's his problem, not mine. I don't want to be your franchise quarterback. Well, okay. Go to the market. Go find another one. Do you remember what it was like?

With like Jay Feedler and all those goofball for 20 years after Dan Marino? Go back to that. You're under contract. Legally. I have the upper hand. All this thing about players getting paid early, finish your contract. Guess what? Washington did that with Kirk Cousins.

We like you, but we don't want to give you the... So we're just going to franchise tag you twice. Washington had a lasting stock around the league, and now they have to struggle and stink. And now they're... Who was their guy? Taylor, Heineke. They're cycling through a bunch of bums, and now they got Jayden Daniels. And we'll see what happens.

Yeah, but Washington didn't get a trophy. Either did Minnesota. So who cares? Yeah, but that's totally different circumstances. Like they had a good thing go. When you've got a franchise quarterback, when you've got a good barber, when you've got someone you trust, you stick with them. You don't break it up.

You as a general manager, I would take you to the woodshend. Now, once you pay Tua early, then all of a sudden, Tyreeks like, I want to renegotiate. No, no, no, no. I'm not doing that. I would move off Tyreek before I moved off Tua. You're closer to Jerry Jones than you think. Oh, stop it. I'm 90s Jerry Jones.

You want to give me 90s Jerry Jones? But honestly, if Tua says, listen, I'm not asking to break the back. bank. I'm not asking for 50. Give me 48 mill a year. We'll call it a day. Let's get the new contract. Why don't you go play some football, come back in one year and we'll sit down and talk about it? Why in the world would I pay

a small, average to below-average arm, injury, history quarterback a year early? Did he get you to the playoffs? Did you almost win the division until like week 17? Oh, that's right. You were actually good and relevant. You remember what that's like, Stephen Ross, getting slapped on the wrist for going after Brady and

all this. What? That's why your franchise is a trade wreck. That's what I would tell Stephen Ross. All right, next up, it's got to Caleb Williams. He's working his way through his first NFL minicamp. Although he excelled in the seven-on-seven portion, he struggled in team drills. Colin, uh-oh, particularly the two-minute drill and blitz period. One thing Matt Iberfluse wants Caleb to improve on is his cadence.

Yes. So have guys jump off sides. I think there was half a dozen other times, so that's something that needs to be worked out. is something that that needs to be addressed and worked on and improved on here in the next couple days. We like to get that cleaned up. We just have to get the reps and get it right. And again, you have to use cadence as a weapon on offense. You can't just go ready, set out the entire time, right? So we've got to do double counts. We got to do triple counts. We got to do dummy counts. We got to do silent count. We got to do all the counts that everybody

else has in the NFL. Yeah, I think if, if Caleb's only flaw is cadence, he's going to be okay. It sounds like Caleb's rolling up to the line of scrimpage. Ready set, hunt. Remember the backyard football stuff that we talked about last season? That plagued it. Plagged him, I'd be careful on that. Led the nation and offense. He was a crash test dummy there for USC.

His USC defense plagued him. I don't think it was his cadence of USA. Excuse maker coward. I'm going to Chicago in a couple of weeks. I may just stop my camp. Oh, just show up? Well, talk some situational football with Matt Eber Fluse. Give him a couple of pointers.

Hey, Matt, Matt, lay off the cadence of the franchise quarterback. No, he's right, though. Aaron Rogers is one of the best at it. Very much uses cadence as a weapon. Very smart that way. Aaron's very good at that. Our final story is the NBA.

NBA finals tip off tomorrow night. Everybody's excited. Chris Tapp Porzingis has not played since the first round. He spoke to the media about eyeing a return for game one. That is the plan. So right now. But yeah, again, it's a couple more days, and I think that can make a difference. So every day gives me a bit more time to get even better, you know, so working.

I really like Boston in game one. Ooh. Yeah. I'm not going to say I, well, I am going to say it. I'm going to put down a little frosting. Celtics game one, like him a lot. Six and a half? you know, do a little parlay, move the numbers a little bit.

That's a winning play always. The media kept grilling him and saying, are you 100% and he would not commit to that. Well, I don't need him at 100%. You can't get like a real run-in. You could practice in scrimmage, but that's not the same as a game. Calf injuries are odd. You think they're gone, they never are.

Calf injuries are brutal. My calf is still tight from a tennis injury three years ago. I just put on a sleeve and ice up and you'll be fine. I fight through it. That's who I am. You just power. Just powered through the calf injury. I don't know that I'm ready to take the Mavs yet in game one,

but I'll go ahead and take Dallas in the series. Not a huge commitment. You're going to take Dallas game one? No, no, no. I'm not sure yet, but I'll take them to win the series. You and I, JNC consulting was pretty good on our NBA bets. We told everybody the last time Dallas played, we said take the Mavs strong first quarter and they boxed Minnesota.

Remember that? Mavs, yeah. I like Boston strong. Strong Boston, especially early at home against the Mavs. Very much into that. Well, you know, by the way, if Porzingis isn't in good shape, it's Al Horford and the backup is like Luke Cornett. Bro, he does not, if he's on the court when Luca is, oh my gosh, that'll be ugly. Like, Luca's annihilating Rudy Gobert.

What do you think he's doing to the Cornette kid? I don't know. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news And thanks for stopping by The Hurd-Ly News The ARR top of the hour The Yankee Dodgers

Series might as well be the National American League All-Star game I mean seriously It is so good I had somebody yesterday say to me You really believe that you don't like parody Why would I like everything Smushed in the middle

What if every restaurant was just okay Is it? I like to find an occasional dive I like to occasionally go to a bougie restaurant. I don't want every hotel to be the Marriott. It's okay. You can have some nice, high-end stuff, some cheap stuff. We've all been on the road.

We need a hotel. We're taking our kids to college. Just give me the cheapest thing available that's safe, right? It's like, why would I want everything smushed in the middle in my sports and my art? I like campy movies. I like great movies. I like high-end Netflix stuff. And then I like British Acorn stuff.

Like, well, I don't like stuff. Everybody's into this stuff mushed in the middle and we're all going to be in the same page. I don't like that. You walk on to the plane. Some people are sleeping on it. Some people are in the back jammed up against somebody with whooping cough. It's just the way it is. Smushed in the middle.

Everybody, you don't like parity. Of course I don't like parity. Everything in my life. Sometimes I like high-end stuff. Last night I'm sitting there. You know, just get to eat an eight-week-old burrito. own an old can of Milwaukee. Old Milwaukee. What's wrong with that?

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such as the biology of tauntons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule of two. Listen to Stuff to Blow Your Mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, he played in the NBA for 13 seasons. He was part of that Cavs team. He went to a couple of finals. He was part of that Cavs team that beat the Warriors in that game seven, which I contends the best game seven I've ever seen, or at least I ever remember.

Channing Fry is now joining us live. And so we were just talking during the break. So I think Boston and Dallas can go seven. I think it's, I think it's. Oh, I hope so. God, it's really good. So I told you, I was really rooted. and I try not to root for teams.

I can't help but root for players I like. I was rooting and I'm a warrior guy. I really wanted to see LeBron and Cleveland win. I wanted to see him not be a villain. I love Maverick Carter. So I was rooting for Cleveland. I thought Golden State's going to win a bunch of these things. You're there in game seven.

I was a nervous wreck watching that game. What was it like to be part of it? Well, it was crazy. I mean, honestly, like, beginning of the third quarter, middle of the third quarter, I went to our trainer, Steve, and I was like, hey, Steve, man, I'm going to have a heart attack. And he looked at me, and he goes, chanting, if you die, die on that bench. And it just, I started to laugh. And honestly, every single play was so big, right?

Because they were so good. You had to lock in, and I know a lot of people may not remember this. I think we're down six or seven or eight at half. And JR came in the third quarter and made five straight points. And that's when we knew that was like the biggest turning point for us. Because usually when Golden State has a six, seven, eight point lead, it goes to 16. But the minute we got it to one or two, that's when we said, okay, we got a chance here. And the rest is history.

But it was, I mean, every time out, I was like, somebody get me oxygen. I'm not even playing. And I'm over here. an anxiety attack. That is so funny. It is just one of the great games in the history of the league, and you're part of that fabric. So good for you, Channing. So you played with Kyrie, and I was going to say this, is that pro sports is almost unfair,

where especially with basketball, in football, you red shirt, a lot of these guys come into pro football, they're married, they're 23 years old, you're becoming a grown man. A lot of these kids that come into the NBA, they can't even drink at the hotel bar. They're 19 years old. but we need you to be an adult at 19. And it's hard. And Kyrie has had this maturation process. And he's finally now like he said, man, I'm a new guy.

When you were with him, first of all, his talent, he may be the only player that LeBron's ever played with that has more natural gifts. Like what was practice like? What was stuff that I didn't see like with Kyrie? I think during that time that I was there with Kyrie and Braun, Kyrie really locked into his routine and the details of things. So, you know, I think whether he had,

I don't know if he had that before. I know he was talented before. But I knew that every day he did his same routine. He went about his day as it was an elite job, right? And I think that's one thing everyone talks about Braun is every single day, regardless, you're going to get six to eight hours of legit work from LeBron, whether that's on his body, his mind, on the court. And Kyrie literally worked on the details so meticulously that he almost doesn't have a

scouting report. He doesn't. Shelt makes a great analogy. Sometimes you have to, you know, most 99% of players have to dictate what moves they're going to do or, you know, predetermine what they're going to do. Kyrie literally plays chess while the rest of us are playing checkers. There's not a

move that he's uncomfortable doing and like he just plays. You want him to go left? Okay, I'll go left until you stop me and then I'll go right. And that's what's crazy about it is that he just, he's almost like water. He just flows with

whatever you're going to give him. He's one of the best shooters I have ever seen in my life. And that's one thing that doesn't even get taken into account. If you were just to become a spot, of shooter, I think he'd be one of the best in the league, if not the best. Next to step. Next to step. Sorry.

He's in a different stratosphere. But to me, it's just so amazing what his skills are. And when he approaches the game with calmness, that's when he gets dangerous. You know, it's interesting. I pushed back a little on Luca when he came into the league. My first take was he's grounded. He doesn't look in great shape. And his usage rate is insane.

But I'm finding that the NBA with the general. European guys like Yokic and Luca is a bit more grounded. It doesn't always have to be vertical. It can be skill passing, whatever it is. But I just didn't know when they made the move for Kyrie Channing. My take was, listen, I like big swings. I'm for it. But I didn't really think it would last.

I can't believe it's this good. I'm the first to say I was for the move. I didn't think it would last. Are you surprised at all that high usage rate guy and Kyrie? It's like a glove. It fits. Well, it fits especially now when you have lob threats and you have a mature Kyrie and you have an in-shape, Luca, who's an adult.

Of course, it wasn't going to work four, three, four years ago, but now both of these guys see the opportunity that they're working with each other and how it works. And the usage rate, if you're in shape, it works, right? People are like, oh, Yo Kitchin, Luca, don't look in shape. They are probably the most in shape. They touch the ball every single time down to court and teams are going to going at them, you know, at different defenses. And to me, I feel like Kyrie and Luca must have had an agreement this summer

I had a conversation about, hey, we're the two best one-on-one guys in the league. Nobody can stop us. If I get a double team, that means you're getting a rotation guy. Kyrie's used to having the best offender on him. Luca's having the best defender on him. And now, who do you double team? We saw when Minnesota made that double team to Luca at half court, they threw it to PJ Washington or Derek Lively, and then you're spraying out to Kyrie Irvin.

So now you have to rotate to that? How do you guard that? That's impossible, right? And how many great defenders do you have? I think Boston has three or four really great defenders, so I think this series is going to be amazing. But still, I don't think they have anybody for Luca. You know, I've said before, I like the maturity of the Celtics.

I like the intellect. But I said they're a little too collaborative sometimes. It's like, Jason, take the ball, size up a smaller guy and score. Luca and Kyrie are very old school. Their alpha is like, clear it out, bro, I'm scoring. The Celtics are almost too collaborative. Is that fair or unfair? Totally fair.

I think that's Jason kid's style. He goes, who can't guard? Okay, come here, and I'm going to go at you every single time. In the NBA, if you make things simple when you have talent, they're going to look amazing. So you go, here's our game plan. for last series. Rudy Gobert or Mike Conley doesn't want to guard Luca, put them in a screen and roll. When we get a double team or a show, now everyone else makes a decision. We get open corner threes. We get layups. We get, you know, spray, you know, wherever's. We get anything we want because you're

double teaming the ball, and then you have ball handlers and shooters on the other end. I think sometimes the Celtics are so talented that they lean on each other a little too much at times. And they go, no, your turn, no, your turn. And we want the guy who I think is the most aggressive is Jalen Brown. Yes. And he showed that last series. Yes. He said, you know what?

No, these guys can guard me. I'm going, I'm just going to barbecue them all. Jason Tatum goes, well, when you play that way, I'll play that way too. And so I think this series, when you look down to it, it's the defense of the Celtics and their continuity, can they break down the defense of the Dallas Mavericks? Like, I'm really excited for the series. I have not seen a series, I think this even for a very long time. I mean, this series is so good that if Porzingis is healthy and you start naming the 10 best players, you get down to 9, 8 and 9, and you're like PJ Washington, who's been great.

That's your ninth best player in the series, and I'm like, there are games. I mean, you can put him in the corner in that three. So it is, I can't wait for it. So Channing Fry, you've got a podcast road trip and give it a little pop here. Yeah. You said it's popular. Yeah, you know, I said you gave it a little publicity here. Oh, yeah, we've been doing road tripping for, I think it's eight years now.

It's Richard, myself, and Ali Clifton, Richard Jefferson, ballhead, ugly guy. Yeah. Works for ESPN. Yeah. You know what? We just talk about the game, right? We don't take it too seriously. You know, it's we enjoy it.

We love it. We have Kendrick Perkins on doing lives after the NBA finals. So it's just, you know, it's a change of heart. sometimes we have hot takes sometimes we don't but we're out here giving our opinion and if we're wrong we're wrong i've been wrong a million times but i was right about the mavericks beating the timber world so there you go hey great seeing you my man appreciate you coming on have you on again thank you guys for having me i appreciate it all right channing fry that's funny story he was so nervous watching the game he told the trainer i'm gonna have a heart attack that is in all

and what's funny about that series the first six games were blowouts each team going back and forth. And game seven is like, that's one of those events. And there's not that many. I can watch the whole game again. I can watch the whole game again. That is in all time. That's the last time we had a game seven.

Don't have many of them. We don't have a lot of game sevens. I think this one we're going to get at least six. Arod next. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends, me and hilarious guests from Bob

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embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, what's good, y'all? You're listening to Learn the Hard Way with your favorite therapist and host Kier Games. This space is about black men's experiences, having honest conversations that it's really not safe to have anywhere, but you're having them with a licensed professional who knows what he's doing.

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