The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Arch Manning's future

Episode Date: July 30, 2025

Danny Parkins fills in for Colin   Browns owner Jimmy Haslam opens up about Arch Manning's future Trey Hendrickson reports to Bengals camp World Series is wide open Stephen Jones says they don’t drag their feet in contracts   Guest: KEN ROSENTHALSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's The Hurd. Parkins in for Colin from the great city of Chicago. It is an honor and a thrill to be here. We're ahead of the trade deadline tomorrow, so we'll talk to Ken Rosenthal later on this hour, see if any team can bridge the gap between them and the Dodgers. And if a Cowboys personnel person is speaking, they're probably saying something weird. So we'll get to that as well. But I want to begin with noting the calendar. It's July 30th. And on August 30th, there's a pretty big college football game.

Texas and Ohio State, which means we get to see, for real, if Arch Manning can live up to and begin to even attempt to live up to this ridiculous and, dare I say, unprecedented, level of hype. because I can't wait for the game. He is the most compelling story in college football this year. A Manning is playing quarterback as the Heisman Trophy favorite for the team that is the second favorite to win the national championship. I am not at all surprised that there is a lot of hype around Arch Manning. But the hype around Arch Manning, to me for now,

should be college football hype, not NFL hype. And if I'm saying that, I'm more of an NFL guy than a college guy. So I just think the place that we're in here is Jimmy Claussen-esque. And I'll explain what I mean. In basketball, all the time, before you've played a minute of college ball, we are talking about you in the NBA. Cooper Flagg, Zion Williamson, Victor Wenbanyama, whatever. We've seen it time and time and time again in basketball.

In football, you normally have to have college production and college hype in order for us to talk about you as a pro. There aren't that many guys who came out of high school before they really played any college ball, and that guy's going to be the number one pick in the draft. And Arch Banning has 95 career college pass attempts. Arch Manning was on the sideline for a long time behind Quinn Ewers. But he's a Manning. If his name was Arch Jones, which is kind of a cool name,

we wouldn't be talking about him as the number one overall pick. And I loved Collins theory. Jimmy Haslam, owner of the Browns, knows the Manning family, terrible NFL team, quarterback starvation, multiple first round picks. Go get Sabin. go get Arch Manning, put the band back together, and try to save the Cleveland Browns. So there's been a ton of speculation on this show and elsewhere about Arch Manning to Cleveland.

They asked Jimmy Haslam about it, and he's not exactly fanning the flames. I think if you know the Manning family, I would bet that, and I don't know Arch at all, okay? I bet he stays in college two years, so I don't even think that's worth discussing. I don't even think it's worth discussing, he says, which, oh, maybe he's a secret eye. operative agents for the Manning family and he's doing their bidding. We need to see if this kid is legit. He might be. I don't know.

Touchdown the interception ratio in college is great, but this is a different animal. This level of hype, this level of competition, this level of expectation, all of it is way different than anything we've ever seen him do before. Shador Sanders had a lot of hype because of his last name. Archmanning is obviously going to have an extra level of hype because of his last name. But there are just not a ton of examples in college football where with this level or this amount, this lack of college production, we're already slating you to be the number one pick in the draft. Garrett Nussmeier at LSU, Drew Aller at Penn State, supposed to be a good quarterback class.

there are other guys that are way more accomplished in college than Arch Manning is at this point. Tyler Murray, when he came out of high school in Texas, 42 and O, talked about, oh, man, this best high school prospect in the state of Texas. Maybe he's going to be the number one pick. And he ended up being the number one pick. But he had to transfer. He had to sit out. There were questions about his size.

It wasn't a lock from day one. and then he had to go out there and ball out and win the Heisman trophy and actually earn it. Arch is going to get that chance. But normally, when it's a guy that gets all the hype beforehand, it's tough to live up to. Jimmy Cawson obviously didn't.

Trevor Lawrence ended up being the number one overall picks, certainly hasn't lived up to the hype thus far, even though the Jaguars gave in that second contract. it's just much more of a basketball thing. And while an owner saying something at a training camp press conference isn't the biggest deal in the world, when you figure Jimmy Haslam, Tennessee booster, brother, governor of Tennessee, knows Peyton, knows the Manning family, has a terrible team, would absolutely be interested in drafting a Manning on its surface, it's not nothing. And so this isn't like, protect the kid.

Like he's a manning, he's at Texas, he's going to have hype, he'll be able to handle it. It's part of the deal and it's part of the burden of carrying that last name. But I'm actually almost more interested in seeing if he's good. How good is he? He looks good. His coach says he's good. His coach, by the way, when he was on with Colin, made him sound a lot like his uncle Peyton. here's Sark.

His work ethic is incredible. Whether it's, you know, studying tape, studying film, studying the playbook, working at his craft, you know, in the wait room, like that is, whether it's innate in him or it was, you know, handed down from his uncles, whatever

it was, his work ethic is really pretty incredible. And that lends itself to the teammate that he is too. And again, that's not to take away the armed talent, the deep ball, the athleticism, all that. I think all those things are a byproduct of how hard he works at his craft and how hard he works at being a great teammate.

So that obviously sounds a lot like a Manning. But let's just learn from history. This time last year, Carson Beck was the number one pick, and he ended up going back to school. Peyton Manning went back to school reportedly because he didn't want to be drafted by the Jets and we know about Eli

skipping out on the Chargers to go be a giant maybe that's fair maybe it isn't but there is a long way to go here this story is way closer to the beginning than the end and I have no idea if he'll play one year of college football, two years of college football, end up being the number one overall pick, live up to the last name, or ultimately fall short. It's a tremendous amount of hype.

Almost impossible to live up to, hey, you've thrown 95 passes in college, but you're expected to be in the national championship game and win the Heisman Trophy. And oh yeah, by the way, you're a Manning. Both your uncles were number one picks at quarterback. Almost impossible for this kid to live up to the hype. But it feels to me like we are still years away from him. in the NFL, not at all one season away from Arch Manning being the number one overall pick. You know, it's not terribly often when you're in this business that you get to be proven right that quickly, but earlier in the week, and it's only Wednesday, so, you know, we're in the middle of the week, I said NFL contracts now have so much money attached to them that holdouts

are a thing of the past. Disgruntled players are not a thing of the past. but they're hold out to like an endangered species. They're not gone. We'll see him again, but way less common. In a post-Levon-Bel world, I think that was like a real turning point for players. Levy on Bell sat out a bunch of games. It seemed to impact him when he came back and he was never the same player since it hurt him financially, reputationally, and with production on the field.

But as the money in the NFL continues to grow, and grow and grow and skyrocket, it's no reason to hold out. And I bring that up because Trey Hendrickson was so wildly disappointed in how the Bengals were handling him that he was in Florida when the team reported the camp, and then yesterday, he reported the camp.

And so, will Trey Hendrickson sign? I don't know. When will he sign? I don't know. But it feels inevitable that this thing will get done. because if you just think about it, Trey Hendrickson, he's drastically outperformed his contract where he's expected to make 16 million bucks this year.

Holding out from camp and not being there, he was getting fined $50,000 a day. You go to camp, that stops. He wants to make, presumably, what T.J. Watt got, what Miles Garrett got, because his sack production is similar to those guys. His age is, similar to those guys. He feels like based on production, he's in that class, even if

athletically he isn't, maybe he has more pure pass rushing situations because of the talent of the offense, that sort of thing. I don't think anyone would say he's a better player than Miles Garrett, but he's got the argument to be a north of $30, $35 million per year pass rusher. No question about it. He is underpaid relative to his production. But so let's say the Bengals in his mind are lowballing him, and they're only offering him $33 million a year. Well, that's doubling his money from $16 million. And in a non-guaranteed sport,

not many people are in a position to turn down $33 million per season. And those numbers are just hypothetical. But the point is that there is so much money now that it's going to be very difficult for guys to take a principled stand and feel tremendously slighted when we're talking about tens of millions of dollars a year to play football. And so I think ultimately this gets done. Post-Levi on Bell, Chris Jones was a high-profile one.

Jonathan Taylor missed a couple of games. But for the most part, guys hold in, guys make noise, guys leak things to the press, guys go on their podcasts. But ultimately, all of these deals get done. And in Cincinnati, they look at it like, hey, we've got an offense that is Super Bowl ready. scored nearly 28 points per game last year, 27.8. Last five years, if you've got an offense that scores more than 27 points per game, on average, you win 12 games per year.

Bengals won nine. And that was all because of their defense. So what did they do? They went out and hired Al Golden to be their defensive coordinator. They drafted Shemar Stewart. Three of their first four draft picks were on the defensive side of the ball, and probably pay Trey Hendrickson. I'll be shocked if they don't pay Trey Hendrickson

because they have the money to pay Trey Hendrickson and he's by far their best defensive player. So assuming Trey Hendrickson is back and then they have this influx of draft talent plus a new defensive coordinator bump and the offense stays the same. The Bengals feel like we can win the AFC North and in the playoffs we've got Joe Burrow

and we can score 30 a game and we can go out there and make a run. And that's where the leverage for a guy like Hendrickson helps, because he can be like, hey, you guys are trying to win a Super Bowl for Joe Burrow, right? I'm your best defensive player. Let's go get this thing done. And so when you see contract stories in May, June, July, players are supposed to be unhappy during negotiations.

That's just kind of how it works at this point. So I was not surprised at all to see, Trey Hendrickson report to camp. He says, or the reports are that it's a good faith effort to jumpstart negotiations. Smart play. Don't get fined. Jumpstart your negotiations. Ultimately be a little disappointed by what they offer you.

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In for Colin. Trade deadline is tomorrow in Major League Baseball. Ken Rosenthal, the terrific Fox baseball reporter and insider, will join us in just a little bit. Who's in play? Who's not? What are the big teams going to do? because this is a fascinating year on a number of levels in baseball.

The Dodgers are the best team. They're the World Series champs. They're the deepest organization, both in overall talent and with prospects. But they've got some flaws. They're seven and 13 in their last 20 games. They got swept by the Brewers. who are, we'll get to them in a little bit. As a Cubs guy, it's annoying how consistently good they are,

but they're clearly really good, second best run differential in baseball for the Brewers, and the Dodgers have some serious bullpen problems. But if you look at the odds, and I often try to base this on the gambling perspective, the Dodgers are the favorite, right? Better than three to one odds to win the World Series. It's crazy that the next nine teams

are bunched up between 8 to 1 and 13 to 1. Phillies, Tigers, Mets, Yankees, Blue Jays, Astros, Cubs, Mariners, Brewers. The fact that there are nine teams between 8 to 1 and 13 to 1 to win the World Series shows how truly wide open it is. And I tend to agree that the National League is ahead of the American League, especially because of the Dodgers at the top. But no one wants to play Detroit in a playoff series. The Yankees were in the World Series last year

and we'll see what they do at this deadline. You know they can always add the Blue Jays are out in front of the Yankees. So even though I would give the lean to National League over American League, I agree with that conventional wisdom. It's not like there's a cakewalk for a team to go through the American League either. There's just, there's a lot of very. good teams, albeit teams with flaws. The Brewers, for example, they are amazing in terms of, it just seems like they always get it done. Runners in scoring position, late inning wins.

It's remarkably impressive and, again, frankly, kind of annoying, how many close wins they would have and just like they just are a great organization. Lose your GM doesn't matter. Lose your manager doesn't matter. Turnover talent doesn't matter. Don't pay guys. and trade them at the end and when you're in contending windows like Hater, doesn't matter. It's very impressive what they're able to do, but they don't hit the ball out of the park.

24th and home runs, 28th and extra base hits. That's like an obvious place where the Brewers can try to add at the deadline. The Cubs who've lost back-to-back games to the Brewers are an awesome offense. They have speed, they have power, they have versatility with lefty righty.

It's a really, really star power in Kyle Tucker, Sayy Suzuki, Pete Crow Armstrong. It's a very balanced, tough lineup to navigate through. And they've had guys who have been very impressive pitching, Imanaga and Boyd most notably. But do you really feel good about them lining up in a playoff series with their one, two, three? And I know it's more outgetters and bullpen games and all of that.

but ever since the Justin Steele injury, do you feel like the front end of your rotation can stack up through the National League in your playoff series? It's a very tough situation to navigate, and I'm fascinated ahead of this deadline, who in that group of teams behind the Dodgers is going to make a big move

in order to bridge that gap? The man who might have the answers, the terrific baseball insider for Fox, Ken Rosenthal, kind enough to join us on a very busy time ahead of the deadline. Thank you very much for the time. You're as plugged in on this as anyone. Who do you expect to be the most active among the contenders in the next 24 hours?

Danny, first of all, I want to preface this by saying the problem we're seeing in this deadline is that there are not enough good players available. Now, when you ask me who I expect to be the most active, the Chicago Cubs would be at the top of the list along with the Philadelphia Phillies. other teams will be active as well but those two in particular the Phillies with their bullpen the Cubs with their rotation possibly third base they are as you mentioned powerful teams with decent enough odds

to win the World Series I expect those two teams to be active the Yankees are going to continue adding bullpen help possibly a starter but we're going to see activity I just don't know that we're going to see the quality of player traded that we are accustomed to in the past

so that's interesting in terms of quality of players, why do you think it is? Why are there not as many good players available? It's just cyclical, Danny, and which guys are at the end of contracts that kind of plays into it, as well as other factors like just guys coming off injuries. Sandy Alcantra is coming off Tommy John surgery. He's already pitched a lot of innings this year.

Our team's going to really be willing to meet the Marlins price for him. Each case is kind of individual, so there's really not one answer to your question. We're looking at a deadline where the best hitter available is A. Oh, Hano Suarez. Great this year. No question. All those home runs. But beyond that, there isn't much offense out there. There isn't much starting pitching out there. Beyond Alcantra, Zach Kellan, Zach Allen, Merrill Kelly, Mitch Keller. It's not a great group. There are a lot of bullpen arms. And that's where you're going to see a lot of intense activity. So you don't think McKenzie Gore or like a blockbuster thing like that is going to be?

going to happen. Mackenzie Gore is an interesting name because he's of course the Washington Nationals all-star left-hander but the Nationals have just changed general managers. They've hired an interim Mike DeBardo to replace Mike Rizzo. Are you going to let an interim general manager trade McKenzie Gore? Now McKenzie Gore is at the same level of service that Juan Soto was when the nationals traded him in 2022. So from that perspective you can justify. but there's a lot going on with the nationals right now, a lot in flux, and I don't know that they're going to see this as the right time. That's it. The qualifier to everything I'm going to say is they get the right offer and make the trade. No doubt about it. Deadlines make deals

here, as you know. The Yankees are in an interesting spot with the judge injury and the fact that the Blue Jays have been so impressive. How active, if at all, do you expect the Yankees to attempt to be? They've already been active. And they've required. Ryan McMahon, today Austin Slater. They're looking for bullpen help as well. Ahmed Rosario was another player that they've added. They're going to add at least one reliever, most likely multiple relievers.

They probably will add a starting pitcher in addition to all that. The interesting part about the Yankees is that they don't want to trade any of their top prospects. I don't know that they see their team this year as worthy of that kind of play. And also they want to protect some of their top prospects and keep them. But they're going to compete. They don't see the judge injury is particularly serious. It could be minimal time on the injured list.

So they're going to be quite active. You're going to hear their name a lot in the next two days. What about the other New York team? What about the Mets? Aggressive as well. And the Mets recognize that they certainly need bullpen help. Outfielder would be a possibility, center fielder preferably. They are a team that is quite interesting because they've built their talent level now

to a point where they've got three young third. third baseman or three players who play third base, that one of them could go in a trade. There's no question about that. They've been linked to Luis Robert Jr. That's one player from a position standpoint that they clearly had interest in. But the bullpen is their biggest area of need and maybe a starter as well because their rotation is a little bit wobbly to say the least. You've got Kodai Senga who has an injury history.

You've got Clay Holmes who probably should be in the bullpen in the playoffs because This is his first year starting. So the Mets are going to be busy. I can see them doing multiple things as well. Talking to Ken Rosenthal ahead of the trade deadline, I showed the odds before you came on. There's the Dodgers, and then there's a group of nine teams between 8 to 1 and 13 to 1 to win the World Series.

It's very bunched up, Ken. Do you have a non-Dodgers favorite as the second best team in baseball? Danny, I watched that, and I thought, wow, that's way too much credit to the Dodgers. they have not played the level that we thought they would. And they still might, of course, if all might come together for them. They're kind of in a post-world series season. They've had a lot of injuries. So this malaise that they seem to have been in could end very quickly.

But if you ask me about other teams, I would say Philadelphia. I would say the Cubs. And in the American League, I'm not quite as certain. But if the Texas Rangers make some moves here to fortify their bullpen, get another right-handed hitter. They're coming. They've had a horrible season so far for the most part, but they've played much better of late.

If they get their offense going again, they've got the best pitching staff in the major leagues. So I would consider them a dark horse. So I love hearing you say my Cubs. I'm a die-hard Cubs fan, but they've just lost two to the Brewers. The Brewers are in front of them in the standings. The Brewers had a better record than them last year.

It doesn't seem to matter what the Brewers lose. They continue to do it. I find it to be tremendously annoying, frankly, but how are the brewers continuing to do this? Danny, it's not annoying. It's fascinating. It's one of the cool things you're going to be. They've got the best record in the majors right now. And you're right. In the offseason, they lost Willie Adomis to free agency. They traded Devin Williams. They had Brandon Woodruff coming off a surgery. And yet here they are again. And if you remember, going back to the first series, the torpedo bats and the Yankees crushed them. And they had all these pitchings.

injuries at the time. Well, they acquired Quinn Priester, they signed Jose Cantana, and suddenly they have something of a pitching surplus, a starting pitching surplus. Now, I don't know that they're going to leverage that at the deadline, but they should, and I believe you mentioned this earlier, they need power. Aohango Suarez would be perfect for them, but it's not the kind of move that they normally make. They putter along, they do things on the margins, and they keep going and keep winning. So the average you said, or not as many good players available right now, but we were looking it up. Final two days of the deadline last four years, on average, 36 trades made. Would you expect this to then just not as many? We're not going to see as many moves?

That's a good question. I would expect not as many. Now, I could be proven wrong with that, but part of the problem here from what I can see is that some of the sellers, Cleveland in particular, Pittsburgh as well, Minnesota to some degree. These teams have reputations as not being that easy to deal with. Now, that's coming from the buyers. And if you ask those teams, they would say, hey, we're just setting our prices and we're not moving off them. We're staying disciplined. That's how we have to run our clubs.

Of course, it just depends on your perspective. But that element of it kind of leads me to believe that we may see less, that some of those twins relievers might not move. that the guardians, though they have every reason to do some things now with the two guys on non-disciplinary paid leave for gambling or the investigation of gambling, they are not going to add, obviously. They could do some things, but I'll believe it when I see it in all those cases. What about the Tigers who comfortably have the biggest division lead of any of the division leaders in baseball?

Rich going to get richer there? They added Chris Paddock the other day. He's starting today. and they still need bullpen help. Their strikeout rate in the bullpen is not nearly where it should be. They need a high leverage, big-time guy, maybe two in that pen to kind of get them to a place where they need to be. And it's a shame they just lost Rees Olson, one of their better starters. They did replace them with Paddock.

But they're a little bit more fragile than they've looked in the last month or so. They haven't played as well. They're starting to come back now to what they were. I expect them to be busy, but we'll see how aggressive, because this is a team that does not like to trade its top prospects. How have you seen, if at all, the fact that there are more teams that make the playoffs? Teams can convince themselves, well, I can make the wild card. I can get hot at the end.

Have you seen that kind of push the action closer to the deadline? No question. And there are teams even now that are not quite sure what they're going to do. Tampa Bay falls into that category. San Francisco, we're not exactly sure where they're going with this. They've played poorly of late. Los Angeles Angels always unpredictable. So yes, the expanded playoffs has given people with these teams the thought that,

you know what, if we just hang around, maybe we can get in like the Tigers did last year. Obviously, it's not going to go that way for every one of these teams, but it is harder to concede when you've got some percentage chance of making the playoffs. All right, last one, prediction time. The biggest name that will move between now and the deadline is who? Aeohenio Suarez. He is the Diamondbacks third baseman. He is the guy that obviously has had an amazing season so far.

It's been an all-star. I don't know that McKenzie Gore, Joe Ryan, or even Sandal-Cantra, is going to move. So I'll go with Suarez. Ken Rosenthal, terrific Fox MLB Insider. Thank you so much for making time ahead of the deadline, Ken. very much. Thanks, Tammy. That's Ken Rosenthal. It's fascinating because that grouping of teams, like the Mets, the Cubs, someone step up and maybe overpay the market, it feels like a trip to the World Series is right there for you with the vulnerabilities and the flaws, frankly, of all of those

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It's gambling season in the NFL, because it's always gambling season in the NFL. And when Cowboys executive speak, it's apparently silly season. I love this organization. They're the best. It's so fun. It's 30 years since a Super Bowl,

31 teams and one television production. Everyone has an opinion, love them, or hate them. They have star players. They have legitimate hype and expectation, because it's not like they're not bad. We sometimes talk about them like they're a terrible organization. They aren't. They've drafted and developed more pro bowlers

than any team in the last decade other than the Ravens. Micah Parsons is elite. C.D. Lammon is. elite. Dak Prescott, highest paid quarterback, was second in the MVP a couple of years ago. But Stephen Jones went on the radio in Dallas, and he pushed back against a very common media narrative. I have a theory that maybe you guys drag out the deals to get engagement from the media. And it's like the best two million bucks you can spend having to give Dak a few more. Well, let's just start off. We don't agree on that. We don't drag deals out. We do deals when

there's an opportunity to do a deal. And certainly no one knows what goes on internally with a particular negotiation, but sometimes agents and players aren't ready to pull the trigger until they see other cards play. So this is one of those weird times where I'm going to try to operate in the area of gray. Multiple things can be true. I think the Cowboys drag out deals, and it costs them some mills. millions of dollars on the margins. I also think we overstate how big of a deal that is, and he is correct, Stephen Jones is correct, that we do not know what these players are doing,

and sometimes the best players of their position who really do not have any risk of getting paid are very interested in waiting things out. Dak Prescott had a no-tag clause and no trade clause. We haven't seen a a player have that kind of leverage since Tom Brady? Like, it is super rare. Hey, I'm second for MVP. We led the league in scoring. I could walk. You'd get me, you'd get nothing for me. Now, they did that after that four-year, $160 million deal was smart by Dax agent to put the no tag, no trade clothes in. But Dack, of course, he's like, I want to it to get paid before me. I want Jordan Love to get paid before me.

Because I want to set the bar higher, and I've got the Cowboys over a barrel. C.D. Lamb, he didn't have the no tag, no trade clause, but the guy who's the only part of the Cowboys offense, got 180 targets, superstar player, he wanted to see what Justin Jefferson was going to get. He didn't want to risk lowballing himself and then be passed over by like Devante Smith or something. he wanted to wade it out as long as possible. Micah Parsons says that he would have signed last year. We have no idea if that is true or not,

and we have no idea if Micah Parsons would have accepted Nick Bosa's at the time record-setting deal for an edge rusher. Seems like he would have reasonably, but we don't really know whether he would have or would not have. But the Cowboys, I do think, whether they would call it dragging it out or not, because of the access that we get to Jerry Jones to Stephen Jones, like that clip that we just played you was from local radio in Dallas.

Jerry Jones goes on local radio in Dallas weekly during the season. He did a press conference with Cowboys cheerleaders behind him. He talked about Micah Parsons at the beginning of training camp and took a shot at Dak Prescott. we don't hear from Howie Roseman like that. We don't hear from Brett Veach like that in Kansas City. We don't hear from Ryan Poles like that in Chicago or John Schneider like that in Seattle. We do not hear from these people with the same degree of frequency that we hear from them in Dallas.

And I think that is what directly leads to what that radio host was talking about. You guys eat this up. Whether you call it dragging it out or not, you absolutely play the media to get into the news cycle. because as I pointed out earlier in the week, I think Jerry Jones gave away the game in the Netflix stock, in the trailer. It's a soap opera 365 days a year. His words.

So I actually think that Cowboys have a little bit of a leg to stand on on the not dragging out deals thing. We don't know what the players are doing in those negotiations and the best players with the most leverage do tend to want to wait till the final moment in this era of the NFL because they already are financially secure. They make a ton of money from endorsements. They make a ton of money from media deals.

Dak Prescott had already been paid that they are willing to be last because the last guy to sign gets the most money. So I actually think they have a leg to stand on with that. But they have no leg to stand down on, but we're not really perpetuating this narrative and we don't talk about. Yeah, you do. You drag it out as much as anybody and you just say funny things. Brian Schottenheimer's already exceeding expectations.

You haven't played a preseason game yet. How is he exceeding expectations? He rearranged the lockers in the locker room. People are like sitting next to different people. He hasn't done anything yet. So that with all of that access, with these weird personalities, you say weird stuff, and that's what gets the narrative going. That's what gets the news cycle going.

And that's what keeps you out there. So I'm here for it. Keep talking. because I actually legitimately do find them fascinating. I know a lot of people like, well, I've got Cowboys fatigue. I don't know. They won 12 games three years in a row, fired Mike McCarthy and hired a guy who was already on the staff

with the highest paid quarterback in the NFL, a top five defensive player in the NFL, and a top five receiver in the NFL. They are objectively interesting. Keep talking, Jones family. I absolutely love it. I want to talk now, though, about a guy who I wish was a cowboy. because as much hype as Travis Hunter is getting,

I actually do not think it is nearly enough for what he is trying to do and what I believe he is about to accomplish. We know that Travis Hunter is special. But for some reason, people keep asking the same question about Travis Hunter. Can you play both sides? Is it possible to do this in the NFL?

Doesn't matter what the Jaguars say. Doesn't matter how they drafted him. It doesn't matter how they're working him out at practice. He, every time he speaks, he keeps being asked these questions, and here's the latest on how Travis Hunter responded to it. I need to be able to progress everything fast, quick. If the offense change on defense, when I'm on the defensive side, if the offense changed the strength, I got to know what I'm doing right away.

And if the offense, if we change the play, I got to know what I'm doing right away. So I like that. We're starting off slow, getting me adjusted, making sure I know where I need to be on one side of the ball each day, and then it all come together. he says that the people that doubt that he can do this the haters make him smile i just want to be very clear and on the record travis i do not doubt that you can do this i am firmly in your camp and i don't think it is as crazy as many people are making it out to be and i understand that someone who looks like me questioning the analysis of the former NFL players who say this

is impossible, feels a little ridiculous. But I think a place that media, common people, and even ex-athletes are way behind on is how incredible the modern athlete is and how incredible sports sciences. We've seen great athletes before, right? Bo Jackson, historically great athlete. Dion Sanders, historically great athlete. Best cornerback in the NFL, played receiver, his best year as a receiver, he has like 36 catches. It was the year he took off from baseball. We've seen guys try to play both ways before. But nowadays, sports science, sleep science, nutritionists, massage therapy,

everything that these guys can do, it's different. It used to be, hey, you're a running back. Once you hit 27, you fall off the clip. Now we've got Derek Henry at 30 approaching 1,800-yard seasons. It's just a different era. guys are better. LeBron is playing 22 years in the NBA. Tom Brady is winning MVP's and Super Bowl MVP into his 40s. Aaron Rogers is still playing. Athletes have just gotten better. So why can't Travis Hunter be a great defensive player and a great offensive player in the NFL when in college

he was a great defensive player and great offensive player? He won the Bolitnikoff Award and the Benaric Award. He won the award for the best receiver. He won an award for the best defensive player in college. And this is one of my favorite stats, because I feel like this is going to fall this year, this record. Most snaps played by a single player in a season. It's not a household name. But Malcolm Jenkins in 2014 and 2015 was over 1,350 snaps. He played every game as a corner, and then he also would play on the coverage units on special teams. So it was 1,357 snaps is the record for most snaps in a season by an NFL player. Travis Hunter played 1,483 snaps in 13 games last year, in 13 games.

So if Travis Hunter shatters Malcolm Jenkins' record for most snaps in a season as a rookie, And at the rate that he did it in college, if he did it in the NFL, he would break it by like 400 snaps. But let's assume that they're going to slow play it a little bit. He can change the sport. He can change how we think about what a world-class athlete in football is able to do. And that, to me, is exciting because in baseball with Shohei Otani, it's blowing all of our minds, but you've got to do it from a young age. You've got to keep doing it from a young age.

And maybe we will see the next show Hey Otani in 10 or 15 years. years. If Travis Hunter proves that he can do this, we're going to see it much quicker in the NFL. Hey, you're an awesome athlete. Can you catch? Let's put you out there on both sides of the ball. And I think that the possibilities and the expectations of what Jacksonville is trying to do with this kid is so potentially game changing and landscape shifting that if he just wasn't in Jacksonville, we'd be talking about it way more. He's by far one of the most interesting stories of this upcoming NFL season, and I just want to be very clear. He will do it, and I expect him to do it.

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