The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Are the Celtics the best team in the NBA?

Episode Date: May 28, 2024

The Celtics may have the best record in the NBA but they continue to show why they might not be the best team in the league Tom Brady will not only make an amazing broadcaster but his ability to always stay competitive will elevate his personality Bill Walton wouldn’t be accepted in this day of age with his strong opinions and hippie lifestyle. Plus, Nick Wright stops by to break down the upcoming NBA FinalsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Nick Wright one hour. J. Mack, I took a bold, dynamic stance this playoff year, taking Boston to get to the finals. You took an equally aggressive stance on the Dallas Mavericks getting to the finals. I think we're both going to be right. But I was thinking about something. We talked about this yesterday and for all those who watched on Memorial Day, I hope you had a great weekend of reflection, spent time with your family. But I want you to think about this, Jay Mack. So the Celtics,

as predicted, rolled through the East. 12 and 2, a lot of blowouts. They were 41 and 11 against the east. The East coast, where I spent most of Memorial Day weekend, has great bagels, not a lot of great NBA teams. Is Boston one? I'm not sure. I thought about this last night. What the Celtics are are a perfect reflection of what basketball is in the NBA in 2024. They are offensively gifted, and the league's never been more offensively gifted. Six guys on this team could drop 20 points in the finals, you wouldn't be surprised. They're rich. Derek White's their number three or four starter.

He'll make 18 million this year. They're mobile. Drew Holiday, Porzingis, Derek White, not drafted by the Celtics. They're cohesive. Team above everything else. That's very much a mantra, international and domestic basketball. And they're a little soft. They're about a 500 team at home in the playoffs, the last three to four years.

and they are very, very good and very skilled. But they're not great. And I don't know how to make the Celtics go from very good to great. And that's where it's interesting. Jason Tatum's their best player, but offensively, he mostly floats off ball. He does not take the game over. He is not Luca. His personality is not alpha.

His usage rate is not that high. It was below Cam Thomas this year. Jaron Jackson, and he's the best player probably on the best team. It's a different world we live in. If you watch the Celtics play on five different possessions, they could have five different Celtic players score. It would look fantastic. It's almost too collaborative.

What do I mean? Because in my entire life, in the NFL, even in pitching in the big leagues, In the NBA, there's a Verlander, a Brady, a LeBron, a Steph, an MJ, a Kobe. And Dallas has one. It's called Luca. Get me the ball. I'll get the out. I'll make the pass.

I'll get the bucket. And that's not what Boston is. They're really smart and they're really collaborative. And they like to get Derek White involved. And the ball moves beautifully. It's aesthetically pleasing. But it's not old school. And in my life, Mahomes can play poorly.

Fourth quarter, give me the ball. I'll run for it. That's what I've seen. Steph Curry, a KD, a LeBron, an MJ, a Kobe. But the Celtics very much are 2024 basketball. And that maybe is how basketball turns out over time. Collaborative over alpha. sharing over the individual.

Tatum may have idolized Kobe Bryant, but their basketball ideology is very different. Tatum sometimes floats, gives the ball up, views others, and still ends up with 29 points, seven rebounds a couple of blocks. He's a tremendous athlete. But his ball usage rate?

Far below Luca. Luca's old school. I always have this feeling in the off-season. He gets on that Gulfstream, lights up a smoke, big couple of beers, he's on his way to not working out for two months. That's old school, and so is his game. So the Celtics and the Mavs is a classic matchup of old versus new, and the old historically creates dynasties.

Does collaboration with a star that sometimes is just part of the offense, not the offense late in games? So I thought it was fitting as they swept the page. that Jalen Brown, their number two player on most nights, ended up being the MVP of this series. I think I'm one of the best two-way, wings, guards, whatever you want to say in this game. You know, I thought this year I've taken a level,

and I've increased it. I took the matchup. I picked up guys full court. I chased guys off screens. I battled with bigs, and I felt like I should have been all defensive. But, you know, as time has gone by and I got to this point, like I just I stopped caring and I just embrace I don't care who sees what as long as my team knows my value my city knows my value my family and that's all I that's all I really care about

it's sort of like we hear about that bring the dog to work the Googlesation of work collaborative Fridays off everybody gets along in a perfect world that's the way it would be we would all have balance we'd like work but family took precedence 50 hours work weeks. Let's not do any of that. The Celtics are new and collaborative and there's chemistry and they share and there's a different score every possession. I think it can win a title,

but I don't know if it can against Luca. And I don't know if that very good will become great. We'll see. So I was, took a few days off last week, headed back out east in New England Patriots territory in Rhode Island.

And I put my Patriots hat on, and I go walk, walking on the beach, ride the e-bike, you know, one of the peeps. And I get asked this a lot, a lot more than I thought I would be asked. How do you think Tom Brady is going to do as a broadcaster? And Brady was on our show yesterday. And I say, I always have the same opinion. If people have a couple of minutes, I'll share it with them. And I'll say, well, the traits and the habits that created the quarterback, will probably create the same broadcaster.

I'll give an example. I thought Tony Romo was always underrated as a quarterback. He got a lot of criticism. I thought he was very good. But he was loose. It was often instinct. It felt like over details and prep. It was gut feeling.

Sort of like George Bush is a president, right? Kind of going with his gut. You wish he would be more into the prep or the details. And I actually like Bush. But I always felt Tony Romo. as a player was flashy, really gifted, underrated, really talented, a bit of an ad libber, feelings over facts. And as a broadcaster, I feel the same way.

He's a risk taker. Calls out plays. Sometimes makes weird sounds. I'm not sure which direction he's going. But by the end of it, it's usually wildly entertaining. And then there's Tom Brady, who as a player was meticulous. and thorough, a people-pleaser, and detail. And that's what I think you'll get as a broadcaster.

Brady will be the opposite of Tony Romo, and you can pick your favorite. They'll both make a lot of money. They'll both be very good, but they will be opposites as broadcasters. I talked about Tom's competitive nature as he heads into the booth at Fox. I think if I want to put effort into something, then naturally I'll be more competitive at it because I'll invest it a little bit of my time, a little bit of my energy into it. Certainly with a broadcaster, I don't think for me it's about competition. I think for me it's about did I put everything I could into it?

Did I give the fans everything that they tuned in for? And that's really how I'll end up gauging myself and I'll have to look at myself at the end of every Sunday night going, did I do a good enough job? Did I live up to the belief that Fox had in me? Did I live up to the expectations of my teammates, Kevin Burkhard and Aaron and Tom and the entire team? That's ultimately how I judge myself in that new role. Just like he was as a quarterback, a people pleaser. Didn't have dinner with Belichick for 20 years, but always at some level sought his approval.

John Madden coached or taught a class on football at Cal Poly. And fittingly, John Madden, the greatest analyst ever who worked at this network among others, was a teacher on the air, the telestrator. He was trying to teach you football in a very relatable way. John Gruden, intense, passionate as a coach and as a TV analyst. I think Brady will be exactly what he was. as a quarterback, really into the details. I asked him, and this was so Brady, the answer, did you pay attention to the league

when you were playing beyond the Patriots? I tried to pay attention and follow every team every week. That was our job. That was to understand the whole league, the perspective, every game counts. Those games meant whatever games, they meant a lot to the division standings, ultimately because our team was very competitive.

The conference standings were very important. You didn't look too much beyond that. We never talked about the playoffs and so forth, but I knew what every division opponent was doing every week, where there were upsets, where there were injuries. Those were all very important to the success of our team. Of course, Tom Brady knew what everybody else in the league was doing. As a quarterback and as a broadcaster, I think that's what he'll deliver.

Bill Walton passed away yesterday. We talked about it briefly during. our show. I grew up in the Pacific Northwest, so right equidistant between Seattle and Portland, but because I was in Washington State, I got the Sonic Games, but I occasionally listened, not more than occasionally, listened

to the Blazer games on radio because I preferred their radio announcer Bill Shonley. So it was a different era in a time, and I want to talk about Bill Walton coming up and how he would be accepted today. Oh, his basketball would be just fine. That's coming up.

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Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The great Bill Walton broadcaster, college phenom, NBA All-Star, passed away yesterday, 71 years old. Two things about his game I feel very strongly about. If he remained healthy, he would be on a short list. of the second greatest center of all time to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. He would not have been that score, but Shaq was all power. Akeem was mostly footwork. Wilt was flashy but unfocused.

Russell was dominant defensively but limited offensively. Walton had a dexterity that was hard to match. He was layered. He was Yokic 50 years ago. The second thing I feel strongly about, his game today would have aged beautifully. Again, 74, 75, he was often viewed and seen more regularly in college at National Power UCLA, where two years he went 30 and O. Then he would be in Portland.

Because when he broke into the NBA, I began watching the NBA in the Walton days in the Pacific Northwest. You'd get college games as often as NBA games. Even the finals were on tape delay. What I find fascinating about Bill Walton is not just his game. game, which again, I think, would have aged beautifully. They was almost unique and mythological as a player. There was nothing like him or his personality. And as I watched people yesterday honor and celebrate him, and I realize, and I think most

sports fans do who got a glimpse of Bill, even on YouTube highlights, that he was years and generations and decades before his time, I wonder if he entered the NBA now, would he be honored and celebrated to this level? We live in a country now where people are more tribal than ever. And Bill Walton was the absolute opposite of stick to sports. I mean the polar opposite. Would you accept somebody who was gifted, but may have thought much differently about politics in the world than you do?

When Walton broke into the NBA, he was seen as unique, funny, quirky, odd, and incredibly gifted. His best friend was nature. Second best was John Wooden. He was like Bigfoot with a hook. You didn't see him very frequently. I first got introduced to him in the Northwest.

You'd see him against the Sixers and Dr. Jay. But we put our arms around the big fella. Would we do it today? I'm afraid we wouldn't. The world we live in, doesn't have room for opinions that many people don't agree with. And what Bill believed in, he was anti-Vietnam War, and he was on the right side of that, for the record.

War we probably should have never been in. But Bill had strong opinions, and he really wasn't concerned how they landed for you. Oh, he could be a great teammate. When he went to UCLA, he was a hippie with long hair. John Wooden said, you need to get a haircut. He said, I'm not going to. John Wooden said, we'll miss you, big fella.

Bill got on his bicycle, wandered cross campus, and got it cut. But sometimes I wonder the people we honor if they were around today and breaking into sports, would we accept them as much as we honor them today? Bill was very unique and very different. Cool stuff to celebrate. I wish we did it today more often. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Let's go to the Timberwolves who are down 3-0 to the Mavericks. Trying to make history. We know that no team has ever come back, Colin, from down 03 to win a series. After the Celtics last night, it's now 155-0. Anthony Edwards, though, listen, man, he is not giving up. According to the athletic, following game three,

Ant told his teammates in the locker room, time to make history, fellas. I still don't feel like they can beat us. I love the confidence, Anthony Edwards. For the record, let's not frame this as he's been terrible. He was sensational against Phoenix. He was very good in the previous two series, and he's still averaging 23-24.

He has not shot the ball well. In fairness, Dallas is a much better defensive team than they're given credit for. In fact, the T-Wolves reviewed as the better defensive team, and I would argue on ball, Dallas is better. So this idea that Ants not quite ready to seize control of this series or the league, but this idea that his energy, let's be honest about it, their defensive player of the year gets targeted, Carl Anthony Towns is emotionally and physically all over the map,

he is their energy. Conley's been banged up. So the framing on this, this has not been successful. But he is their most talented player, their most consistent player. I mean, defensive player of the year, Rudy Gobert, has been a miss in this series. Like, he's been a miss.

So, Ant hasn't delivered, but he's been better than people say. And my guess is tonight, he'll give you a 28-point game and they'll lose by four. It's tough. I'm not beating up a 22-year-old, obviously. Right. But he has not had a great series, Colin.

He settled for threes early in the series. didn't want to drive because of lively, he was afraid of the rookie, and then he has a really good game aggressive in game three, but then he, like, no-showed in the fourth quarter. Like, that's been a problem for. Now, for the record, lots of great players have bad fourth quarters. LeBron's first six years in the league, remember his reputation, which I thought was false,

but LeBron until he went to Miami was like, can't trust him in the fourth. Oh, gosh. Well, it sounds ridiculous, but this kid's 22. So my takeaway is, is he energetic, is he dynamic? Is he a great kid? He probably shouldn't talk too much about wanting to guard Kyrie, but I love that part of him. I love his trash talk.

I think it's very old school, and I love that about him. Well, it's funny. Jason Tatum had a rough finals against the Warriors. I think he was 23, and people crushed him for it. And now it's Anthony Edwards stinking up the joint in the Western Conference final. Wow, he's only 22. We pick and choose who we want to beat up. People wanted to beat up LeBron as soon as he went to Miami.

He folded that finals against Dallas. People have never let that go. Well, LeBron was called the choice. chosen one and the king. LeBron held himself to a different standard. LeBron was older. We knew LeBron. We knew his story. There was the decision. And's 22 out of Georgia.

Nobody watched them in college. This is the first time anybody's paid attention to him outside of the Twin Cities. I mean, serious. It's the first time we've really paid attention. Listen, I called him the best in-game dunker in NBA history on this show like four months ago. And people lost their minds. Oh, you're crazy. I mean, now everybody's like, he's Michael Jordan. Let's slow down in the best in-game.

dunker. No, no, that's factual. I will argue that to the death. I mean, no, Anthony Edwards. Good luck tonight. I don't know if the math pull off the swim, because the Celtics last night, we thought they would win. And it was like they're down, when Pacers had 94% win probability

was like three. Pacer's throwing in a lot of hot garbage. It was, at the end of the game, finally Boston, which wasn't that defensively engaged in this series. Boston's always pretty good offensively. Out of five games, they'll be good offensively. They have so many skilled guys that can, Al Horford could drop 20, you wouldn't be surprised. Derek White is a two

on most teams. All NBA defense. He's like a four if Porzingis is bad. I like him. So it's like, I think Boston kind of, not that they sleptwalk to 12 and 2 in the playoffs, but I didn't think defensively they were as good as they will be against Dallas. But I, I, it's hard to gauge how good Boston is because the East is bad. There's nothing to say. It's just not very good. So Mavs get one game? Do they get two? Oh, no, no, no, no, no. It's a seven game series. This is a... Wait, no, no, I'm sorry, Mavs, wolves. I'm saying it's not over

here. Yeah, it's over. You're saying it's over. Minnesota is just too inconsistent and limited offensively. You're not beating Dallas with their defense, Luca and Kiree, unless you get really good offensive possessions on a consistent level. That's why Boston matches up with Dallas. They give you

really good offensive possessions. It doesn't matter if Tatum's cold. Move On to Derek White, Porzingis back. Now, if Porzingis isn't back, the Mavericks will pick and roll the Celtics to death. But I think he will be. I think it's going to be a great series. I think it's going to be the best final. Since that, I thought the Warrior Celtics final had a lot.

Old guys, new kids on the block. I think this is going to be unbelievable. Yeah, I'm with you. All-timer. All-timer. Yeah, seven-gamer. We'll have a week to discuss it. Next up is the NFL.

The Baltimore Ravens opened the season with an AFC championship. game remats against the Chiefs. Ravens lost that one 1710. Lamar Jackson was, ugh. The game plan was not great, so we're not going to crush Jackson. He was asked about playing them again in week one, and the reigning MVP said, the game doesn't matter. I really don't care who we play. You know, everything doesn't matter. You know, at the end of the day, our goal is to make it to the Super Bowl.

We lost to them in the playoffs. Just us beating them in the regular season. The rain that don't do anything. You know, it just helps us, you know, just keep stacking up wins to make it. hopefully make it to the playoffs if anything to try to get in that same position again and hopefully you know be successful but um it really don't matter who we play first game obviously it's achievable i really didn't care they're going to be fine you've sold all your stock in baltimore and buffalo i have gobbled all of it up i cashed out it's my version of bitcoin when there's open coins

i just gobble it up yeah baltimore buffalo i'll buy more of their stock that you're selling that you want buffalo i want i think baltimore's arguably the best run uh operation in football. I think the Ravens are consistently excellent top to bottom. And I think Josh Allen's insane and Buffalo's going nowhere and McDermott's more than capable. Good GM. You're giving out stock picks like Jim Kramer, who is a total

disaster. Let's go let's go quickly Lamar Jackson. You know, it's May. Other than playoff performances. Oh, other than playoff performance. Well, he does play in a conference with the greatest quarterback on the planet. He's awesome in week 10. Oh my gosh. Lamar

just dominates week 5. Let's be fair. That does matter. Yeah, sure. Okay. He just said it doesn't matter. He just, Lamar just said it doesn't matter what happens at week one. I don't know. All you, you, and I'm not, I'm not coming after you, you love to say, what does Dak do in the playoffs? He's two and five. Lamar's two and four, and the numbers are ugly. The stats are ugly for Lamar in the postseason. Here's the difference. Lamar finally got a receiving court, but despite that, has been an MVP in the tougher conference, is incredibly productive, feet and arm. Dak has to have protection, a run game,

and the stats tell you if he doesn't get run support, he has a losing record. Lamar beats everybody, not name Mahomes. Lamar Jackson beat, it's like, honestly, Phil Mickelson beat everybody. He just wasn't Tiger. It's like the Houston Rockets and Akeem. Nobody talks about him if Michael Jordan

doesn't take a couple of years off for baseball. Like there are these moments when you're a really, less Miles won a lot of games at LSU. He just happened to be around when Nick Saban was, and you get run out. So my takeaway is Lamar Jackson beats everybody except Patrick Mahomes. I think he's great. I think now didn't love the game plan in the playoff game, but I think he's great. You win 77% of your games with Lamar, I'm in.

Small sample size, but through six playoff games, Lamar is completing 57% of his passes. So we love to blame the receivers, we love to blame the game plan. Lamar. Okay. I like him. He was the MVP of the league. Tough to argue that. See, you're gritting because you know I'm set up to like play the other side of the court. You're like Buechard.

You're like Buker. My parents thought I was going to be a lawyer. What's that? So my parents thought I was going to be a lawyer going on. And you couldn't pass the bar. Oh, stop. That's why you're here and not there. I don't want to go to law school.

Why you're not wearing a robe. You're just sitting you're talking. I wish I was in a robe right now. Listen, it's undeniable, Colin. Lamar Jackson's playoff failures have been quite ugly. Let's be real. that he's just not perform well in the post? It's okay to say that.

Yeah, and that's okay. But I'll give you this. We tend to look at sports just through the purview of championships. Dan Marino didn't get one. How would Dan Marino be viewed today? Aaron Rogers has won in all those years of good old lines, good teams, offensive coaches, weak division. One. Aaron's had one big playoff run, right?

One and a half. So losing it home to Garoppel. and Jared Goff and old Tom Brady. And so I try not to look at athletes. Now, I do think, like, Eli Manning's a Hall of Famer because of his Super Bowls, but I've watched a lot of great players. Dan Fouts and Philip Rivers for the Chargers. Feel like Hall of Fame level players.

Neither has a title. Fouts, in my opinion, was better. But I think watching players, there's an argument that Lamar Jackson last year just moved into his prime. And we'll be in his prime for about five to six more years. So as you, Mahomes is rare that he got Super Bowl's pre-prime. Brady got him pre-prime. So Lamar doesn't have a Super Bowl.

But I'd argue last year is the first of six to seven years of he's really going to be in his prime. And I think he'll get one. So again, I'm not saying Super Bowl or bust. I'm not one of those guys. I want to see you perform in the playoffs. Nobody, it's impossible to win the championship every year. Just for fun. Do you want to guess Patrick Mahomes' playoff record?

Well, again, he's... No, no, just guess. Just guess. Take a guess. Counting Super Bowls? No, no, his playoff record, so playoff and Super Bowls, yes. I just, this is off the top of my head, 12 and 4. He's 15 and 3 in the playoffs. 15 and 3. Loss to come.

Omar Jackson's 2 and 4. Yeah, but I could argue this. Mahomes can't beat Brady. O and 2, what, want. Can't beat Brady. Is he o' and 2? Well, he lost a Super Bowl, and then he got... He lost that overtime game.

That's right. That's right. So it's funny. Mahomes, loser against Brady. O. Lamar Jackson. What is Lamar Jackson in the playoffs against Mahomes? I don't have that.

Is it O.N. Listen, this is, it's tough to win in the playoffs. Russell Wilson, 9 and 7. Aaron Rogers, only 11 and 10. I'm not asking for Super Bowls from Lamar. I'm just asking for some wins in the post. Is that too much to ask for? We're on the opposite side.

Go ahead. All I'll say is you keep your job, you keep continuity. when you win 75% of your games, in a brutal division in the toughest covers. I don't want to hear you put him in the top five quarterbacks. Oh, he is absolutely in the top five. Absolutely. Now, I think Justin Herbert, Stafford, and Lamar are all going to be in that four or five spot this year. I absolutely think Lamar's top five.

I've gotten into this argument with people, is that it's almost like, it's almost like saying, let's say you're married. And you had a great wife, great marriage, you had great kids. You had a really good career. But you never got the CEO job that you always try. He became vice president. And what I say, oh, what a failure. Because so many other aspects were great in your life.

That's an amazing life. Lamar is a great teammate. One of the best quarterbacks in the world. A winning quarterback. A playoff quarterback. Part of the best organization, arguably in the league. Am I supposed to punish him severely if he can't get through Mahomes and Josh Allen? I know. I don't think anybody thinks that.

The last 10 minutes have been a diatrived anti-Lamar Jackson. No, see, that's the problem. It's not anti. I'm just saying, where are the playoff victories? They're hard to get in that conference. Extremely different. Hard to get. Now you painted me into a quarter.

I look like I don't like the guy. Final story is Sequin Barkley in his first OTAs with the Eagles. After leaving the Giants. Rocket ship. Sequant spoke to reporters. about how joining Jalen Hertz and the team's high-powered offense. He's stoked. It was fun.

It's like a fresh start. I feel like a rookie again. You know, getting to know everybody in here, learning the culture, binding to the culture. And like you said, I'm feeling like it's home. Finally got into a spot. And, you know, I've just been loving it. The biggest thing, you know, that struck me is your first 7-on-7 huddle. You see A.J. Brown, Devanti Smith, and Dallas Goddard and Jailen Hurts.

It's not a bad group to be out there with That's not even including the office alignment But yeah, we're all just coming in and buying in Try and learn a playbook, try and learn a system And try and get better each day For the record, the NFC felt It was there for the taking the last couple of years I don't think it's there for the taking

I think Philly, Rams, San Francisco You're back on the Philly train, huh? Detroit. Well, I think Barclay is I think Berkeley, listen, I think Philadelphia added a star-rower running back on any given Sunday, Barclay is the best running back in the league outside of Christian McCaffrey. I think he's great.

Remember, people forget this. Prezel. Sorry. That Kyle Shanahan's record in San Francisco is under 500 without Christian McCaffrey. That's how much running backs matter. So these cries, these hues for the impoverished running backs, they still matter. The great running backs still matter. The great safeties, Kyle Hamilton and Baltimore still matter.

matter. The great guard still matter. So I think Barclay's going to be a game changer because I don't think Nick Seriani has proven his ability to nurture quarterback since Shane Steichen left. He's going to have to depend on the coordinator. His reputation wasn't a quarterback

whisperer like Shane Steichen or Sean McVeigh. So I don't think that's what he is but I think Jalen Hertz will bounce back, be more redeemable, maybe not MVP but solid, and Barkley will be a jet fuel offensive weapons. Which has a bigger impact. The loss of

Jason Kelsey, their center, or the gain of Sequin Barclay? They're both, they'll both, one hurts, one helps, just so it's a wash. Oh, you think that's like a wash? Yeah. Oh, wow. I think that Kelsey loss is massive. Remember, new offensive coordinator, new center, basically the brotherly shove play is out. I don't think they're going to even run it this year. Like, I don't know, man. That's the biggest concern is losing a center. Well, we're the random

other shows, they're not talking about offensive line play. We know in the trenches, that's where the money's made. Maybe we shouldn't. I'm not sure if it's riveting. Jay Mack for the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Line News.

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Phillies Giants locked into baseball at J-Mac. You may want to give that sport a try. It's coming around. So, Phillies going to win the World Series, going to beat the Yankees in six. Put it down right now. Okay. So, I'm reading this story this morning.

It can't crack me up. It asks the question, is the Lakers head coaching job attractive? And one of the things the story said about the attractive nature of the Lakers job, you get a ton of nationally televised games every year. The favorable whistles your team gets. Oh, really? The favorable whistle? Okay.

Columnists now saying the league is rigged. Okay. The Lakers head coaching job is much like, owning a boat. It's a glamour purchase. It feels exclusive and you gloat about it for 48 hours. One year later, nothing but regrets and headaches. The two best days of owning a boat and being a Laker head coach are the day you get it and the day you exit.

Sorry, but it's true. It does not pay top dollar. It no longer does. It is not a championship roster. And in its current state, you'll have to run the offense through a four. 40-year-old forward. In college sports, the best jobs always have a financial advantage or a geographical one. Ohio State, Georgia, those are rich college football programs.

Texas, talent rich, and financial rich. Same with UNC basketball. But in pro sports, a job, a head coaching job is as good as the owner, expectations, flexibility, and the roster. And the Lakers have incredibly high. expectations and an incredibly old brittle roster in key spots and not talented enough and others and they don't have the draft picks to engineer massive trades or have anybody outside of maybe anthony davis to get players and then they wouldn't be as good defensively in the post because a d should have been the defensive player of the year as we've stated multiple times not rudy gobert if you look at the current list of laker candidates for the head coaching job five have never been a head coach one briefly has and had a losing record. I would argue the Lakers in their current state, it is a bad job.

And I think NBA and NHL jobs are basically bounce around the league positions. J.B. Bickerstaff was fired recently by Cleveland. He was the sixth longest tenured coach and he'd been around about four years. So I do not consider it a great job. I think you could argue expectations, lack of salary, offense has to run through LeBron at 40. It's a bad one. So Nick Wright, who, you know, speaking of gloat, likes to talk about his chiefs. He can be a bit much now that Kansas City runs the league.

Tom Brady was on yesterday talking about the Kansas City Chiefs. And I do think it's fair to say, I do not think they'll three-peat. It's never happened in the league. I was surprised they got the repeat. And I think last year, and this has to matter for something. They got a series of breaks. First of all, the quarterback that had given them the most trouble, Joe Burrow, got hurt. Second of all, their division was really down.

The Raiders were a mess. Russell Wilson and Denver. Herbert had the wrong coach. So they were able, as they were trying to figure out what they were offensively, for almost the entirety of the season, didn't get really challenged in division. vision. Then they got a break in the playoff where it was the coldest playoff game in Arrowhead

Stadium history and they got a team from Miami. I'm sorry. I remember Dan Fouts playing in Cincinnati. The Chargers I felt were better. The weather ate him up. And then in the Super Bowl, Dre Greenlaw gets hurt coming off the bench, not even hit.

That does not mean, and all that, they win in overtime. time. That does not mean Kansas City didn't deserve the Super Bowl. They certainly earned it. But if you look at their schedule, the first four games are tough. Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, Kirk Cousins, Jim Harbaugh, Justin Herbert. They also have a very too early buy. They plan a Wednesday, a Friday, a Saturday, all sorts of times, weird rhythm at the end of the year. There's the Rishi Rice mess at wide receiver. Travis Kelsey's increasing injuries and age.

Legerius Sneed was an excellent corner. He's no longer there. I think they'll be really good. But you have to remember the Joe Burrow injury. The AFC South should be significantly better. You're probably not going to get a Miami team in the coldest game ever at Arrowhead. We hope their first round pick hits. at ride receiver because Rishi Rice

situations, messy. Tom Brady talked about three-peeding in the NFL. I would play on an undefeated team. We were the best team, I think, one of the best in the history of football in 2007. We go to the Super Bowl, we play

less than our best game, the Giants play an awesome game, and they end up beating us. All these teams in the NFL are very competitive. They're all well-coached. The margin of air is So to win one Super Bowl is extremely difficult. To win two back-to-back what the Chiefs have done,

I mean, as we know in the history of the sport, nearly impossible. To win three in a row, there's a reason why no one's done it. The reason why we haven't won three in a row, because it's hard to win one in a row. So to put three of those together in back-to-back-to-back seasons with drafting last, a very hard schedule,

all the turnover and free agency, guys continuing to be motivated, It's a big challenge. One of the things that I think you have to acknowledge is that with Herbert not having the right quarterback and Sean Payton trying to get the quarterback situation with Russell Wilson Wright, the Raiders being kind of the Raiders, it was a pretty easy division as they were trying to figure out what they were. So you get home games in the playoffs that I think will be significantly harder to come by. I think Bo Nix and Sean Payton will be very, very capable, very.

very early. I think Herbert, I agree with Jason McIntyre and Jim Harbaugh, feel like an 11-win team and will be incredibly physically challenging for Kansas City. They got a handful of breaks, certainly earned, deserved, earned, I like earned better, but I do think along the way last year, there were a series of slight breaks. I also think the NFC over the last two years has been down. I think Philly's better. Detroit will be capable of winning a Super Bowl. Green Bay is young getting better. Rams, San Francisco, all good.

I'll say it again. How the Rams are valued as poorly as they are when they literally check all the boxes is remarkable. They had another fantastic draft. So I don't think it's anti-chiefs to say there are championships. A great example of this is Dallas. The Mavericks don't necessarily match up very well with Denver.

They match up very well with Minnesota. They got a break. So there are times, I mean, let's be honest, Indiana, the Knicks fall apart. That's a break for the Celtics. A healthy Knicks team as a huge underdog would have given Boston some uncomfortable moments. A young Indiana team that can't defend my cup of coffee got swept. So there are matchup advantages and disadvantages, and I just think that has to be considered. So when you were gallivanting on the other side of the country last week, I went off and said the chief, no shot out of three people.

Their fans come after me. Well, get this, Colin. Pro football focus just here today, drop their tackles rankings for 20. They may have a rookie foot left tackle. They said the top 32 tackles. Okay. You want to guess how many Kansas City has in the top 32? Tackles, none.

Correct. None. Both Jets guys, starting left, starting right are top 18. I'm not saying the Jets are better because of that, but I'm telling you, tackle situation is real in Kansas City. You guys can ignore it all you want. We got Mahomes, we got Reed. That's true. You don't have a tackle. Like either side.

It's a big issue right now for Kansas City. Yeah, they're Super Bowl drubbing to Tampa. They didn't have tackles who were healthy. Hour to next. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel

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It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind, podcast. Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars fan, so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes. Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away, such as the biology of tauntons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule of two. Listen to stuff to blow your mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win. A win is a win. A win.

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