The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Bad news for the Chiefs

Episode Date: February 11, 2025

Colin explains why after 1 game he believes LeBron James and Luka Doncic will work well together for a very obvious reason He has bad news for Chiefs fans and why they have an uphill battle to remain contenders after another devastating Super Bowl lossSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Now, Luke is playing with new guys. You know, Luca got hurt. He's been out since Christmas. So I'm not, I was watching last night. I'm thinking, what am I doing with Luke? He's not dropping 40 tonight. He needs time to get back into shape. But boy, that first half of the Lakers, Austin Reeves, LeBron and Luca.

Austin Reeves, now you like him, huh? He's your guy? All right. 72 and a half for the Lakers. Oh, they're going to the finals, Cowherd. Well, let's just start with this. That's a little hot. That's a little hot this morning.

But when I hear this, I don't know if LeBron and Luca are going to work together. go back to Miami D. Wade and LeBron That wasn't a good fit. Both need the ball to excel. Neither are great shooters. They were just two great athletes. And they ended up getting to four straight finals. Stefan, Katie, and Clay Thompson.

One ball, three guys that need it. Last night, LeBron and the Lakers, second highest plus minus for LeBron this season, and the Lakers had their second highest point title. Between the Warriors, the Hedels, and LeBron and Luca, what all three have in common? in basketball, smart guys figure it out.

A lot of stars can't. They lack self-awareness, right? The egos, the lack of self-awareness. I mean, the OKC Westbrook-Mello thing, it just didn't work. Katie, Steph Clay worked. The Heedles worked. LeBron and Luke Austin Reeves. It's going to work.

I mean, last night before the game, LeBron's like, don't worry about fitting in. We'll work around you. Just go score. And I think that's, can't. Chemistry is an issue when you have selfish guys and insecure guys and guys with no self-awareness. You know, Hardin and Kyrie playing with Katie in Brooklyn. Katie was great. The other two guys were a pain.

They hurt chemistry. So LeBron and Luca are engaged. They're smart. They have huge brands. So they're very, very secure in who they are. Both excellent passers. The only weird part for me is, how the hell is LeBron still this good? What's in that wine he's drinking?

I swear. He looks like he's in year 12 or 13. LeBron's amazing. But if you go back to the Hedels in Miami, they didn't have any size. Joel Anthony, remember him? Joel Anthony was a six, nine and a half center. They had no true point guard. But it was one of the smartest teams I've ever seen.

Shane Badeier, Ray Allen, LeBron, Haslam, I mean, just everybody. Chris Bosch, Dwayne, they just made it work. Dremont, Steph, Clay, you know, KD. Smart guys just make it work. Now, Luke is rusty. He never played with these guys. I don't care about practice. Never played game speed with these guys.

Hasn't played in a long time. And the Lakers do have an issue, and it's a real issue. They have no rim protection. Jackson Hayes is a fun guy on Alley Oops. And you saw a lot of Alley Oops last night. But they don't have any rim protection. So when the Mark Williams deal from Carolina did not go through the Charlotte deal, that's kind of a bummer.

Now, like Robert Williams, who the Celtics, had for years. He wasn't available very much, but when he was available, he changed the temperature in the room. So they're going to have to address that on the market and see if they can find somebody. But I'll say this about the Lakers last night. When I watched them, especially in the first half, because they put the game away in the first half, it felt young, it felt fun, it felt fresh. I looked it up this morning, 10 more threes. They took 10 more threes than average. There were more alley-ups. You know what? Three-pointers everywhere. Again, Austin Reeves, LeBron, and Luca. Yes, they all need the

ball. But you know what? Smart guys figured out. And Staples was roaring, all the Luca jerseys. I think this thing is going to be excellent. And I'll get to it a second why I think they can win the West, but here was Luca and JJ Redick after.

It was a little nervous before. I remember when it was the last time, I was nervous before the game, so but once I stepped on the core, it was fun. And just being out there again felt amazing. This new team, knew everything, but like the way they helped me, teammates, Rob, Jenny, Ginny, it was just a lot of support for me. You can see when I come into Arena, I saw the look of jerseys, it was just a real feeling.

Sometimes you could have agendas in a game. I felt like this for our group was just a no agenda game beyond winning a basketball game and playing the right way. with our three guys who are going to be our primary creators. They all did it really well. And I think our guys will get accustomed to the Luca passes for sure. Listen, the Lakers felt like they went from analog to digital. And if you look at the Western Conference standings, why can't they get there? Memphis is number two. I don't trust them.

They play very fast, great pacing. I'm not sure if that transfers to the playoffs. Denver is horrific defensively. Now, Jamal Murray's healthy again and playing well. They're a bad defensive team. The Rockets can't shoot. Super young. I think they're a regular season team.

I think they'll be a one and done in the playoffs. Clippers, do you really trust them? So I look at the West. The best team I've seen in the NBA by a long shot is the Celtics. I watch them hammer the Knicks again. Boston's the best team in the league. OKC is very good. That I won't deny.

And I'm not sure if the Lakers can beat them, although it feels like to me they've matched up with them pretty well the last couple of years with AD and LeBron. So my takeaway is, watched last night. It was a lot of threes, a lot of Aleyupes. It's only going to get better. I mean, Luke hasn't played in forever. First game with the guys. I think if they could figure out, I said it before. If the Mark Williams thing would have gone through, I would have had no problem saying Lakers in the final. I don't know if they can meet Boston. Probably not, but I think they could get there. I don't know if they can win the West. But I'm watching all the, listen,

it's an offensive sport. Right. I mean, defense matters. But, but. People get frustrated when Jason Tatum doesn't take the game over offensively, not defensively. So I'm reading this story about the Super Bowl ratings and 126 million viewers for the Super Bowl 59. First of all, it's more than that, but it's hard to track how many people actually watch. The Nielsen ratings, they do count out-of-home viewers, but you don't really have an exact count on that. you're kind of guessing at some point. I think it probably was closer to 136 million. The second thing is this wasn't, let's be totally honest about this, it wasn't a good game.

The peak of the rating was in the second quarter. What if it had been an overtime game could you get to $130, $35 million? But there's a lot of reasons why I think the NFL keeps extending their season and adding games because there's an insatiable appetite for it. We never get tired of it. And the other thing is there's a reason they keep playing games now in Australia, and they're going to go to Brazil again, and they're going to go, they won the U.S. market. If you dominate America, spread your wings. So when people complain about games overseas, why not?

They own the country. And I think there's a lot of reasons why the NFL is king. It's a once-a-week sport, but that's always been true. But we didn't have the iPhone and TikTok in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s. We are a very, very distracted nation. it is harder to get people's attention Monday through Friday, and the NFL is a once-a-week game. The second thing is it's a really good television product,

not just because I work at Fox, NBC, CBS, ABC are great too, but the production of the television product is outstanding. The other thing, it's relatable. Football players, there is no load management. They plan the snow, they plan the wind, they plan the rain. Like the rest of us, they just go to work when they're not 100%. It's totally relatable. The other thing is they make big changes regularly.

They bailed on Oakland. They upgraded to Vegas. They bailed on San Diego. I know it hurts. They upgraded in L.A. They bailed on St. Louis. They'd bail on Jacksonville tomorrow if they could. They're not going to be burdened by tradition.

They're not going to worry about what the hardcore traditionalist and the Romantics think. They're going to take swings in the ball. And I think they constantly pivot on rule changes. Baseball struggles with that. Basketball makes changes. Sometimes though they feel a little bit like they're out of desperation. Last week they're talking about shorter quarters. Who's ever worried about how long a quarter is?

We worry that you've got too many games or load management. And so I think there's a lot of reason for the changes. I just think more than anything, it's a very well-run league by adults. Agents run baseball. Players run the NBA. Economically, it is two times the size of the NBA. NBA, yet feels like it's nimble, like a sailboat. It can turn quickly during a Super Bowl.

Rule changes. Always willing to change. And somebody told me this years ago that anytime there's a change, basketball thinks of it first, baseball makes the most money out of it, and football gets it right. And I think the NFL more than any league just consistently gets it right. When changes are needed, they don't pander. Agents and the players don't run the league. they're like every good company I've ever worked for.

And none of the companies I've ever worked for that are very well run are run by the employees. They value the employees. They pay the employees. They treat the employees well. It's not run by the employees. I should not be running Fox. I should not be running it. I'm treated well.

I shouldn't be running it. And so there you go. The number is huge. I think it's probably bigger than that. And it was not a very competitive game. We got a lot of things. Nick Wright joins us in 50 minutes. It's been a very rough 48 hours for Nick.

You know, he was due for a bad weekend, Jay Mack. He was due. Can I give you a peek behind the curtain? One of our smart producers hit me up this morning. It was like, hey, can you bring in a violin to play during the Nick Wright segment? And I tried to fight a violin this morning. No dice. But, yeah, we feel bad for him.

You know, it's tough for this Chiefs. I barely slept last night. I tried to tell them. They weren't a good team all season. Record be damned. You were right. They looked awful against Eagles. Listen, if you go back to that Houston game, that was choppy.

Very friendly whistle there, shall we say. I'll ask, though, Colin, like, where was the leadership on the sideline when they were getting their butts kick 24-0? You know, there's a lot of video out there of Tom Brady in that Atlanta Super Bowl. Oh, yeah. Fire enough of the truth. Let's go. Come on, guys, we're not done. And I saw none of that.

You know, the Chief just looks shell shock. Like, wait, we're not winning? We're not winning. We're not coming close to winning? It was kind of embarrassing. Where's the leadership? Andy Reed, Patrick Mahomes? I didn't see it, did you?

Well, I don't look to my coaches for that. They got a headset on or they're trying to maneuver. I think players have to inspire players. I think generationally, it means more coming from another player. If a great player's on the sideline at 28 years old, barking at a 25-year-old, I think that has incredible impact. I don't think coach barking at a player. Coach's bark at players, it's called practice.

And so when you get into a game, I do think it's up to players to help motivate players. There's a lot of tape of Troy Aikman. He's on his players. Peyton Manning on his players. And I think there's value. I've seen Lamar Jackson on the sideline, talking to his own line, getting guys fired up. That stuff matters.

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he likes talking about. Bonix is playing really, really good ball right now. Defense is outrageous. You got P2 out there, who's, I would say, the best at the position right now. Probably been for the past two years. Got the other guy on the other side. I just think you need a couple more pieces in it

then it'll be what it need to be and just have to get past Pat Mahomes every year. Now, I do think he has value. He seems like a nice kid, but he can be noisy often. And this is just a reminder to all the general managers in the NFL. Every top running back that went to a team, Derek Henry to Baltimore, Josh Jacobs to Green Bay, Sequin Barclay to Philly, Joe Mixing to Houston, Aaron Jones to Minnesota, J.K. Dobbins to the Chargers.

Those teams all made the play. They were productive and valuable and mostly quiet, good team guys. They changed the physicality of the team, the temperature of the offense. They were also very valuable for either older quarterbacks or new ones. All those running backs changed the teams. Now let's look at the wide receivers who moved around. Devante Adams to the Jets didn't move the needle. Calvin Ridley.

Yeah, he went to Tennessee. How'd that work out? Stefan Diggs to Houston. Dhop to the Chiefs. Did he play in the Super Bowl? Amari Cooper to Buffalo. Gabe Davis to the Jaguars. Did any of those guys have real impact in a really big game?

Wide receivers, I'll say it again, are too often the convertible sports car of the NFL. Fun and flashy, but when it gets cold and windy, December on, not that useful. They don't make your team tougher. They tend to be at times, and I don't know exactly why, needy. Pay attention to me. Throw the ball at me.

Buffalo got better when Stefan Deggs left, and I like Stefan Diggs. I like him. I like Devonte Adams. He didn't have any impact. Six of the highest paid nine receivers, six of nine, missed the playoffs. The Niners don't need Debo. You know what Brock Purdy needs?

Christian McCaffrey back. I mean, look at Joe Burrell, how good Joe Burrow is. Look at how great of a year he had. He has Jamar, Chase, and T. Higgins. The best receiving combo outside of Philadelphia or maybe better in the league. They didn't make the playoffs. This whole idea a couple years ago of running backs, and this is a great running.

back draft. If you need a running back in the NFL like the Chargers do, if you need a running back or a defensive tackle, this is an unbelievable draft. It's not great for quarterbacks. It may not be great for centers or linebackers, DTs and running backs, it's unbelievable. Niners could use one, Chargers could use one, the Raiders could use one, the Patriots could use one, A Tennessee could probably use one. But it's nothing against Debo. But the centerpiece of this team is Shanahan and Christian McCaffrey. It's not Brandon Ayuk.

It's not Debo Samuel. And I like both those guys. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, Colin, let's get started with Luca's debut last night against the Mavs. and I'm sorry,

Lucas debut last night for the Lakers went spectacular. The Mavs were also playing at the same time and Colin, it went extremely poorly. A fan shouted

Fire Nico and later held up a sign with the same phrase. Him and his buddy were escorted out of the arena. It was ugly in Dallas. I don't know if you've seen these videos, man.

Oh, no, I have. The Dallas team spokesperson said the fans broke the NBA's Code of Conduct for a sign that said Fire Nico. And then Jason Kidd knowing he was reading the room.

He said, you know what, I'm going to skip the post-game press conference. But the math did lose an overtime. DeMarre Rosen had a big-time clutch shot. Clay Thompson did not duck the media. Here's what he said about the shenanigans. It's not our job to get deflated because people are upset. Our job is to try and convince them that there's really great days ahead, not just for this year, but for the next few years,

I really believe that we can do something incredibly special. People are going to say stuff, and that's understandable. I was a fan. I was a fan. If I didn't agree with the trade, I'll probably voice my opinion, too. That's the beauty of sports. You go there to yell and be rambunctious sometimes. Things are not trending well for the Dallas Maver's.

Now, in fairness, in fairness, for this year, I could argue they are much better constructed soup to nuts than the Lakers are. Well, if healthy. No, no, no, right. But let's be fair to Anthony Davis. I mean, lost in all of this, all this emotion by Dallas. Anthony Davis, the top 6-7 player.

Kyrie's an unbelievable score. They have excellent size. They have an excellent coach. Well, Colin, here's the problem. Nobody's healthy. AD's probably going to miss 10 to 12 games. Luca wasn't either. PJ Washington did not play last night.

Okay? It was the Kyrie Irving show. He's logging heavy minutes on that old body that has been prone to break down. Daniel Gafford got injured last night. Play 10 minutes. Lively's out probably the rest of the regular season. Stuff starting to add up. Then you add in this fan stuff that's going on.

I'm on record. I wrote this for Fox Sports before the Luca trade. I think the Mavs are going to miss the playoffs. And I'm an Anthony Davis guy. I like him. I think top seven is a little rich. But, Colin, if they miss the playoffs, do you have to fire this guy, Nico Harrison?

You know, he did make the Kyrie deal. He got criticized for it. It's been a great deal. He did make the trade deadline deal last year. That was a great deal. But that was all around Luca. Hey, Luca, you've got a number two in Kyrie Irving. Great.

Kyrie, you don't have to be a leader because Luke is the guy. Listen, all GMs in the NBA, outside of like R.C. Buford and Pat Riley, they all get fired. Pretty much. Yeah, I mean, I will go back to something a source told me about Nico, and he's known this. My source has known Nico for 22 years. I think ownership was staring down the barrel of paying a player $74 million a year. 74 million is like double what Mahomes is making, close to it. But the cap's going up.

Come on. Yeah, you know what? Foxes make more money. They're still looking at numbers at the company and thinking, does that valuation work for somebody that's out of shape, doesn't play defense, and not available? Luca was not playing. You're injured.

He was injured. It happens, you know? Doesn't happen to LeBron. Are you really defending these guys? Doesn't happen to LeBron. Hey, do you remember when the Mavs had a press conference way back celebrating Jalen Brunson and Luca Donchich? Remember that?

They lost both of those guys. Those are top 10 players in the league, Colin. This is bad. Dirk Novitsky, Mr. Mavs, was out here at the Laker game last night. I know he was. I'm just telling you. You know, Mark Cuban sold a majority of his stake. Maybe he knew something.

Maybe he knew this was coming. Well, you know, the other story is one of the bucks owners unloaded a bunch of his stuff, and people were thinking, oh, wait a minute, what's going on with Janus? I think, is Janus going to be in play this off-season? I think Janus, absolutely. And I think with the Milwaukee's not going to beat Boston. Like, let's get past that.

Are they getting out of the first round? I mean, are they good? Well, I think dames playing much better. I think dames had a really good year. This Luca thing's eye-opening around the leap. Like, if Luca can be traded? But let me just, I'm not defending the Mavericks. Now, I'm saying, it was one thing when the max contract was planned LeBron $35 million.

So congratulations to the players in getting all this money. But when you're asking me to pay you double of Mahomes and you're not in great shape, back-to-back camps you weren't there, you're not playing, you don't necessarily care about half the game, the defense. It's a whole different ballgame now. It's one thing if I'm paying, if I'm a billionaire, and I have to pay. Because remember, Luca qualified not only for the max contract, but because of his MBPs, he was going to make $75 million. I'm watching Kauai. I'm watching MBE.

I'm watching my hurt guy who's not in great. shape. It's really easy for everybody that's not writing the checks to just say, that's 74 million, he's great. You start, the NBA players, the superstars thought they won. Look at what we can get with the map, the max. But when the max is 75 million, I'm going to count everything, your defense, how you treat teammates. Are you in good shape? Are you available? I think these owners are looking around at Kauai and M. B and B. And they're like, no. I'll go bite. three other players. Since you referenced Mahomes, we've talked about his dad bod on the show.

It's not like that guy's an underwear model, okay? So let's not bag on Luca Dunchet being like out of shape. Sure, he showed up maybe a little chubby. What is $255? $75 million? I'd like you to be in shape. I'd like you to show up for camp. I know it's asking a lot.

They'd like me to be here at least four days a week. How about Yokic? Do you see any abs on that guy? Or you see some man boobs? What's going on there? Come on. Listen. Some of these guys are not in super shape like,

LeBron. All right, let's get to the NFL. Ian Rappaport of the NFL network reports, the Saints have hired Eagles offensive coordinator. Kellynne Moore, they're finalizing a deal. I didn't realize Kellynne Moore's only 35. Unbelievable. He's starting a new job for the fourth season in a row, but it's his first time being a head coach. Interestingly, Colin, Brandon Staley is a hot name to be his defensive coordinator, reuniting the coordinators from the Chargers a couple years ago when it didn't quite work. He'll be fine. Oh, really?

They don't have any cap room. They got a lot of issues. I think that's going to be for the next couple years of dead franchise. Will they have a winning record before he's fired in four years? Oh, he won't last four. Three, yeah. I don't think that's reason. It's not going to go well.

They don't have cap space. They don't have extra. I have a quarterback. I mean, does Derek Carr feel like he's just, he's a New Orleans, guy. It doesn't feel like breeze. I just don't think they have enough good players. And I think the NFC, as we watched Philadelphia in the playoffs, the NFC is getting better really, really fast. And it's like New Orleans feels like they're in Cap Hell. They might finish last if Carolina continues. Oh, I think I would, if I pick today, I would have Saints last. Because

I think Carolina's on the way up. They're on the up tick. This is seven wins, maybe. Final story is interesting with the Dallas Cowboys. You know, they spent last offseason dragging out contract extensions for DAC and CD Lamb, and they did come to terms of four week one, but it was a distraction all summer. And now you've got Micah Parsons and all this chatter. Will he be traded? He's heading into the final year of his rookie contract. Is he going to break the bank? Does he get traded? Well, C.D. Lamb has weighed in, Colin, saying, aren't you all tired of this? Every offseason, top of the charts, let's just win ball games. And that's with 11. Shaking my head. Now, he's got a good point. This.

This is almost a direct shot at Jerry Jones, is it not? This is every offseason in Dallas. Let's string it out. We're in the headlines. That's what Jerry wants. Is this good for the team? No. I'm telling you, there are so many interesting teams in this league,

and Dallas is not one of them. I don't even find their chaos interesting. To me, they're the saints. Like, I just, they're not, are they topic worthy? I mean, there's so many teams now. I mean, Philadelphia is obviously great. Here comes Washington. You know, the Packers, Minnesota, Chicago next year is fascinating.

Chiefs, Buffalo, Baltimore. I mean, there's just so many chargers with Harbaugh. Now all of a sudden, they're Raiders with Pete Carroll. If they get Sador Sanders, I'm like, oh, that's interesting. Can the Giants get a quarterback and get out of the basement? That Stafford story in New York is crazy to me. If you're Matt Stafford, I'm going to leave playing indoors with less need as my owner. Sean McBeyer is my coach.

Pooka Nakua is my leading receiver. And that defense, I'm going to. go to New York? Well, if you can get Cooper Cup and Malik neighbors, they're climbing out of the basement. They will not be last place in that division. You want to play the Eagles twice, Jaden Daniels twice. You're in a division now with Kyler Murray, Brock Purdy, Gino Smith, indoors, richest owner, arguably best or second best coach, and a defense that will carry you for the next four to five years. I'm leaving that because I don't get what I want. That's nuts. Rams almost beat

the Eagles. They had a drive right there at the end of the game. They played the Eagles the toughest of anyone in the postseason. And they had, in the last two years, they've lost the Lions and the Eagles on a play. When they completed that ball up the sidelines to Pooka and the Kuhu, you're sitting there thinking, holy, they're going to win this

game. Yeah. And I'm leaving that. To go to the Giants? Sounds like a leverage play, you think? I mean, I like Matt Stafford, but he's not getting younger. And the Rams finally got their offensive line figured out, and they're drafting an offensive tackle first or second.

pick. Les Need, Sean McVey, Stan Cronkey, playing indoors in a market where the media leaves you alone. The L.A. media basically leaves Jared Goff was

invisible when he was here and he got to a Super Bowl. You couldn't find him in a phone book. You can hide in Los Angeles. You quarterback the Giants. You are front, back page of the tabloids. It's not a good roster. We don't love the GM. The owner's not as rich. I'm not saying that because I live in Los Angeles.

There are places he could go and I would be like, oh, I get it. That's not one of them. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. I got so much stuff today. I am.

I know you're thinking like, oh, that's an L.A. take. No, no, no, no. I'm just thinking off the top of my head. If Matt Stafford was like, okay, Seattle's interesting. Well, I like Seattle's roster. I mean, D.K. Metcalf, Smith & Jigba, good running backs. Like, I could see, like, it's not going to happen. He's not going to go to, you know, they're not going to move him.

He's not going to go to Seattle. But, like that roster is interesting to me. And there are places, I mean, like Minnesota says, you know what? We don't want J.J. McCarthy. We want Matt Stafford. I get Kevin O'Connell. I get Justin Jefferson. I play indoors at home.

It's like, no, I get that move, too. The Giants. Well, what are you doing? That doesn't even seem interesting to me at all. I want to throw this out there. So every time somebody gets close to Tom Brady and you start talking about maybe Tom's not the goat, bad things happen.

So Aaron Rogers, back in 2014, got his second MVP. He had a Super Bowl trophy. Remember everybody started saying, Aaron throws a little better ball than old Tommy from 2015 until today. Aaron Rogers ran through head coaches, 5 and 5 in the playoffs. There was Peyton Manning in 2013 when you started hearing after his fifth MVP. Manning may be better than Brady. And though he did have success in Denver, he aged very fast by 38 years old.

And he did win a Super Bowl in a year where he threw nine touchdowns and 17 picks and had a 75 passer rating in his Super Bowl wrong. Tom, when he retired at 45, was still a top five quarterback. And Mahomes this season, you started really hearing about it early in September and October. If he wins a third, I think we have a new goat. Mahomes finished the regular season as the 16th highest passer rating and just, just a second-year-old. and just turned in the ugliest Super Bowl performance, arguably, of our lives. So just to give you a sense, the gap between Brady and everybody else, if you just think about this, if you cut Tom Brady's career in half

and just take the final 12 years, just the final 12 years, so it's the end in New England and Tampa, he has four Super Bowls and MVP and 54,000 passing yards, which is more than John Elway. He has 20 playoff wins just in the second

half of his career, which is the most playoff wins by any quarterback of all time. I'm not counting the early dynasty. Just think about that. And old Brady, by the way,

did face Patrick Mahalms. him out in a Super Bowl and beat him in overtime at Arrowhead in the AFC Championship. In a game of inches, Brady is several hundred yards from number two, from Joe Montana, from Elway, from Peyton Manning, and from Patrick Mahom. But Colin, if he would have won Sunday, it's not just that he lost. It's just for the second time in the Super Bowl, he was awful. didn't adjust, overwhelmed, looked, shook, and not just losing it, whatever that was, that leaves a mark. Right, right? Like, you can lose. I mean, Tom Brady lost to Philadelphia.

Philly Special. He never punted. He lost because the head coach benched Malcolm Butler, which really, really disrupted the locker room vibe. The defense just didn't. not come to play for the only time in Belichick's Super Bowl history didn't show up. Players bothered by it. That was the biggest loss in Tom Brady Super Bowl career. It was a Philadelphia game where he didn't punt. So it's like whether it's Aaron, Peyton, or Mahomes. The minute you start getting into that, you know, it's a coin flip.

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You get those back-to-back games. So, listen, I think Utah's got a bunch of draft picks. They're like a younger version of Oklahoma City. Like, they haven't landed their stars, but they've got Kessler, the big guy, they've got Lori Market and they've got some dudes. They're just not there yet, very young team. But I was thinking about LeBron and Luca last night, and listen, I've always said, I think Austin Reeves is a number four in a championship team, maybe a three.

He's playing really good basketball. But I was thinking about the best tandums in basketball right now, and it's not just scoring. I think there's a lot of components that go into it. I think the Lakers are not very good around the basket defensively. Jackson Hayes is more of an offensive guy, an Aleoup guy, kind of thin, not a defensive guy. But I was thinking to myself, what are the best 10 tandums? Because I'm watching LeBron and Luca last night. They looked great, and Luca's not close.

I mean, he didn't shoot the ball particularly well. He doesn't have his legs under him. It's the first game of the new guy. I mean, he could drop 30 against Utah in Salt Lake City, and you wouldn't be surprised. So these are my top 10 current duos in the NBA. I actually think Steph Curry and Jimmy Butler work because one's the ball handler shooter and one's the defender and the aggressive guy that can score. They're 2-0 since they put him together.

And I think Steph just needed a really good number two. When Jimmy's a number one, I don't think you're a championship team. If Jimmy's a 2 and you've got a good 3 in Draymond Green, then I think you'd win a playoff. series or two. Steph, Steve Kerr, run the show, Draymond, Jimmy Butler, aggressive defense. I like him. I'd put him at 10.

I would put SGA and Jalen Williams at number nine. Now SGA's a bucket. He's just impossible to stop. Jalen Williams is only, I looked it up this morning, 23 years old, Lord. Now, a lot of people think it's SGA and Chet Holmgren, but Holmgren to me is just not healthy enough to consider him an elite duo.

Number eight, Janice and Dame. Janice is banged up a little bit. Dane's playing very, very well. Like last year, they were struggling to figure out the chemistry, and Dane was coming off injuries. I think he's playing really good right now. And I also think they do fit because Yonis covers up some of Dame's weaknesses

defensively. When they had to move, Drew Holiday to bring in Dame, he got better on offense, worse on defense. I still think, I think Kyle Kuzma was a nice get for them because I thought Chris Middleton had peaked and was going down. I think Coosma helps. I don't know how much it helps, but it helps. I think number seven, I think these guys are underrated.

Kyrie and AD. Now, AD is banged up. AD, don't listen to J. Mack. This guy has been a top six or seven player in the NBA the last two years. He got hurt. He hadn't been hurt much. He's a tremendous player. And again, not a lot of ego. Great defensive player. Can give you

25 a night. And, you know, Kyrie can be some maintenance, but he got along well with Luca, and he is a tremendous score, so I would put them at seven. I think Wembe and Deeran Fox is really good. They're probably a year away. I don't think people realize how good of a score Deeran Fox is. He's 25 a night. And you got Chris Paul on this team.

You got the Yukon Guard, who's just getting better with time. San Antonio is a year away for potentially winning the West. I think this is a great move for them. I really like their scouting and drafting. I just think they're too young. but I'd put Wemby and Deerrin Fox at the sixth best NBA duo. I would put Jalen Brunson and Kat. They really feed off each other.

By the way, Jalen Brunson's assists almost eight a game, career high. Why? Cat. And Kat, by the way, is shooting 43% from three. Why? Because a lot of it, he's getting open looks, because Jalen Brunson draws so much attention. I don't think this is a championship team.

I've watched them play the Celtics twice and just get bulldozed. But I like this duo. Carl Anthony Towns can drive you. you crazy, but there is no doubt he is a very, very gifted offensive player. Number four, Donovan Mitchell and Evan Mobley, they're young, but at least

Mobley is. They're both average in 20 a game plus and five assists. They have the number one offense in the NBA. I know we stopped watching them when LeBron left. They're fun to watch. Young, aggressive. Mobley's a guy that came out of USC,

and he was a fast riser in the draft. He just keeps getting better. So I'd put them at number four. I'll do Yokic and Murray at number three. Now, Murray is healthy again. Yokic is absolutely great. He's averaging a 30-point triple double this season almost. So I think Yokic remains the best player in the league right now.

Unstoppable player. They don't play a lick of defense, so I don't think they're a championship team. Murray is on pace to average 21.5 points and 7.5 rebounds. He assists during this five or six game streak when he got healthy again. I always like Jamal Murray. not as much as Jay Mack, who was beating that drum for years. They're a bad defensive team, but I would put them at number three. I would put number two, Tatum and Brown.

They're not the highest scoring duo, but they're versatility, smart guys, both ends. They're just excellent. And by the way, they've been playing together so long now. They take turns, closing out quarters in games. They're excellent. And they're different personalities. I think Jaylon Brown's more aggressive. but they're both in their prime.

They're both signed long term. They're both coachable. They don't need to score to affect games. I'd put them at two. And I think LeBron and Luca are number one. Luke is not close to where he's going to be after. Give this thing 10 games. Luca's going to be back to 32 a night.

I can't even figure LeBron out. I can't figure out how he's this good. It makes no sense. LeBron is playing like it's year 13. So I think they're the number one. Now, there are a more lethal scoring duo than Brown and Tatum, but Brown and Tatum are both in their prime. So, J-Mack, first of all, your reaction.

I'm sure you were overjoyed with this. Oh, dear. So make sure Wes, when he posts this on social media, mentions no Kevin Durant and Devin Booker? I can't. Well, really? Because I don't know. I mean, I had one binyama and Fox on mine,

but, like, combined, they have zero playoff series. wins. Well, they're, first of all, there's an argument, San Antonio, in the second half of the regular season now, will be a significantly better than the first. I mean, Deer and Fox, you're just throwing a bunch of kids together. I told this, sir, during the morning meeting this morning, the one team in the NBA to watch out for is the San Antonio Spurs, they're going to get into the playoffs, and they're going to knock somebody off, because that team, they just threw Deeran Fox into this thing. And they got 10, that kid, from Yukon, that guard?

His castle, he's awesome. He is awesome. San Antonio is the team that is, we saw this with Dallas last year. A team starts rising, they make moves at the trade deadline, and you look up and you're like, nobody wanted to play Dallas. San Antonio's not quite that good,

but the spurs are dangerous the next three months. Booker and KD is one omission. You could make a case Demar de Rosen and Sabonis in Sacchar? No, I'm just kidding. What are the Kings fans on staff? up to that. But the legit one that I got to ask about, and I know you're not a fan, is John Morant and

Jaron Jackson in Memphis. They are playing out of their minds. John Morant's got his act together. Jackson's having the best season of his career. He might be all NBA. I had them at 11. Damn. He just nipped that right in the bottom. Spurs just added Deeran Fox, and there are only three wins behind the suns. Yeah, they're 12th in the West. Come on that. That's not a knock on Booker and Kevin Durant. But when I say that, do you think dynamic? I think there are things Booker does very well score. There are other things... Also interesting, I see one, two, three, four of these duos just got together last week.

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