The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Bears Head Coaching Candidates, Sam Darnold's Big Moment

Episode Date: January 7, 2025

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I'm so fired up. There are so many things percolating in the NFL with all these job openings. It is crazy. I don't know what's wilder. Your hair flow this? morning? Or are you coming off the birthday with a bunch of hot takes today? Yeah, it was a hot take birthday for Seaman. I brought in a lot of smoke. Seaman? Is that new? Did you just give yourself a nickname, Seaman? Okay. Everywhere. Everywhere. People were nice to me yesterday.

So, thank you very much, and we move on in life. Okay, so I look at the Bears list for reported interview requests for the Chicago Bears for their job, head coaching job. I mean, I follow this league. There's a couple of guys. I mean, there's not this many great candidates. Why are you wasting your time? I mean, Anthony Weaver, Dolphins defensive coordinator. Did you watch the Dolphins at any point this year and go, man, that defense is something else?

Drew Petzing, offensive coordinator, Arizona. Folks, this is not American Idol. I'm not here for the fun tryouts. The hell are you doing? and you're wasting time on second, third tier candidates. Somebody else is hiring Mike Vrable. What are you doing here? I mean, the Chargers last year, in late November,

in the building, we're talking about two candidates, Harbaugh and Vrable. It was late November, early December, and they'd narrowed it down in the office to two guys they really wanted. one is great now and one Mike Vrable's the best candidate this year. So, you know, what's the bear's path? This is just too broad of a list. It's unsurious. You can't have 13 people, let's be honest about this year's candidates.

There's one A candidate. Mike Vrable, that's it. I do think Pete Carolyn, Brian Flores are worth a Zoom call, but they're not A candidates. Flores, too intense, didn't work in Miami, though I like him. think he deserves a second chance. And Pete Carroll, again, tends to be too loyal to average assistance. I think he's worth the Zoom call. I am not hiring a coordinator for the Bears job.

And I think Aaron Glenn is great. Ben Johnson, likewise. This is too big of a job, too big of a list. And coordinator candidates are like half a candidate. You don't know if it's going to work. You know Mike Frable's going to work. So I look at this Bears list. When you're hiring a head coach, it's a little bit like house hunting in a really

competitive market, you don't have time to waste. If you qualify for a $5 million house, skip the fixer uppers. Don't even stop off at the condos. Get to the big boy houses. Don't waste your time. It's a competitive market. So, I mean, this list is a who's who of who's he. What are we doing here?

No waste of time for the Chicago Bears. And, you know, it's, this is too big of a job for 90% of the guys on this list. and you should have it narrowed down. I mean, you got rid of Matt Eberfluse the day after Thanksgiving, and it's what, January 7th? If you fire a coach the day after Thanksgiving, and it's the day that is officially too late to say, happy New Year's to people in the office,

you're wasting your time. Get to it. It's the prom. Either ask the girl out or she's dancing with somebody else. But this list is just, it's unsurious. This is an unserious list. I've said before, it is too complicated, too political, too big, historically too wonky for a coordinator. Even a great one.

Even a great one. And you could say, well, look at what Sean McVeigh did. Stan Cronkey is one of the richest, smartest owners in the NFL. Jeff Fisher sort of felt a little outdated offensively. McVe knocked everybody's socks off, but you had Stan Cronkey. You had, you know, a number one picket quarterback and some good players on the roster. You needed a left tackle and a head coach. But there was stuff working there.

An organization that had some success. Chicago is, this is an 800-pound lift. I mean, this is a big lift. Albert Breer yesterday, I mean, this list I'm looking at now has got unsurious candidates. Here's Albert Breer yesterday on the Bears' job. they haven't won a playoff game in 14 years and I think if they look at the mirror that's what they'll find is

is that there are issues there that go deeper than just one coach or how just one player is developed if they do bring in a guy who's a leader of men who works on the defensive side that person is going to have to come in with a very clear concise plan for the quarterback and not just for the next year or two

but going forward if you lose an offensive coach how do you replace them all that stuff there's you know one of the things that it's It's hard to say it out loud, but it's sort of true in every business I've ever been in. There's a really small, finite number of candidates qualified for most jobs. And you look at the resume and you make a couple calls. And the list gets whittled down very quickly.

The Chargers figured it out. After hiring like Anthony Lynn and Brandon Staley, Dean Spanos figured out, I need a culture changer. We are lost as a franchise. guys, we are on fire. I got to bring in the number one captain. I got to bring in the fire captain in the big truck. And they went, Vrable interviewed him and Jim Harbaugh. And Vrable, by the way, they called Vrable after they decided on Harbaugh, and they said,

you were amazing. And if Jim Harbaugh is not in the market, you are amazing. I heard this from like six different people in the Chargers building. They loved Vrable. They thought they were going to hire Vrable. They loved him. And so, I mean, they got down very quickly to the two candidates. You're talking jets and bears?

You can't have 13 people up for a job. I'm not 13 people on the planet that can turn around the jets and the bears. Okay, I saw this story. And I have heard something similar. We've discussed it this week. I think J-MAC said this. The Minnesota Vikings are a fascinating team this offseason. They got this brilliant offensive coach.

They have Sam Darnold, a reclamation project, who until Sunday was in the the MVP race. And then they brought in Daniel Jones in November, and then they drafted J.J. McCarthy. Well, according to Jeff Howe of the athletic, J.J. McCarthy would rank over Shadur Sanders and Cam Ward by several executives and coaches. That is what I have heard. That is what I have heard from people I've asked, that J.J. McCarthy would be higher ranked than the two quarterbacks.

Does it mean everybody's right or my sources are right, but that's what you're hearing? And that's why this game for Sam Darnold, again, against the Rams is fascinating. And there are times I get nervous for young athletes because I know so much is on the line. Think about Sam Darnold, Southern California kid when he plays the Rams in L.A. It's a $100 million football game.

Kevin O'Connell could lose it, so what? McVeigh could lose it, so what? Stafford could lose it. If Sam Darnold loses, plays poorly, I mean, that people are going to make a decision that it's just all Kevin O'Connell and Justin Jefferson and Jordan Anderson. And in the end, the elite competition, big stage, he couldn't handle it. The market dries up. I don't even know if the Vikings keep him.

But if Sam crushes, he's either getting franchised for a year in Minnesota, I would guess. Maybe they sign him to a contract franchise or he goes to the market and you've got teams like the Raiders now that don't have a great draft. pick, they may spend a fortune on him. And I wouldn't doubt it. So it's a hundred million dollar game. And here's the thing that is cruel and unfair in sports, but it is a fact. Sam Darnold was one kind of quarterback for six years. Super athletic, big arm, but reckless, big, too many mistakes in big spots.

That's what he was. And that's where my brain goes and your brain goes and general managers brains go when we see the Detroit game. Yeah, too much juice, can't make the play. Missing open wide receivers, that's where our brains go. And it's almost like if you miss a big free throw in the NBA finals as a young player, Nick Anderson did this for Orlando against Houston. You have to hit so many big free throws for me to forget about that free throw you missed in the finals,

and Nick Anderson didn't. And that's what I remember him for. And he was a good guy and a good player. But that's what I remember him for. And so if Sam Darnold beats the Rams, wins a playoff game, then Detroit's a one-off. It was Detroit. It was the biggest game in 50 years. The Lions have better players.

I forget all about it. But it's almost like Sam Darnold has been typecast. It's like Daniel Radcliffe, Harry Potter. He has got to be in so many movies for me not to see Harry Potter every time I look at him. You put him in a crime drama. I'm like, is he going to cast a spell on somebody? I mean, I'm sorry. That's what I see.

I mean, he got to be in so many movies. And so this game for Darnold is making me nervous. I try not to pick winners on this. I just want Darnold to play well. And J-Max over here got the Rams rolling in this game. He's got me all freaking out. It's my birthday week. I need some symmetry.

I need calm. And the Darnold situation is, if I see something for six years, and then all of a sudden you're really good, and I'm starting to forget about it. And, uh-oh, biggest game, that's where my brain goes. And that's where GM's brains go. So the Vikings are a fascinating team, and I don't think they have the answers yet. I think they're waiting for this Rams game, and they want to see it.

And I don't think they're going to be Detroit anyway. I don't think it was a winnable game. I said it last week, take the Lions. This is going to be a crazy standalone. Once in a generation game for the Lions, good luck, Sam Darnold. But it's cruel. I still think Nick Anderson, I think miss free throw in the finals. Because he didn't go back and hit 13 big free throws in the finals to make me forget.

Michael Jordan missed free throws in the finals. LeBron has missed dozens of big free throws, but he's hit enough that I forgot about it. I mean, Chris Weber, the guy that called timeout. If Chris Weber would have gone on to win four titles in the NBA, that barely makes his resume, but his NBA career was a little sideways and wonky and underachieving. So that's what I think of. And it's just, it's unfair, but that's where my brain goes. And J. Mack, the whole time here has got a very confident smirk looking at it.

You love the Rams in this game. You see the line? You see the screen? It was two and a half yesterday. Now it's one and a half. Obviously, you know, just one point. But I'm just telling you, there's a lot of support for the Rams in this game at home. and you don't want to bash Darnold too much because I know he's your guy.

He had a great season. Listen, Lamar Jackson does this every year. Amazing regular season. Show me the playoff success. When has he ever had an amazing playoff game? I know. I know. In a big spot.

Well, for a long time, people said that to be fair about Peyton Manning in the playoffs. It was true at the beginning. Yeah. I mean, there's not wrong with that. It's a fact. He struggled. I think the first five years he had zero playoff wins. Yeah.

It's not great. Take some time. That game is making. making me nervous. Well, it should. We're going to try to go to that, right? Do you like to go to that? Yeah, use your superpowers to hook us up, man.

I have superpowers one day, my birthday. I can ask for stuff on my, I got free cake yesterday, and a backpack. What if you sold the Rams? Both of our birthdays are this week. Could you hook us up? Make it happen. Yeah. It's a small game that nobody's going to.

It should be easy. 31-14. Oh, come on. I don't want 31. I'm not interested in that. I want 30, 27, anybody could have won heroic performances by Stafford and Darnold. Whose house? Ram's house!

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Well, things change very quickly in the NFL, and we know that a month ago, the Steelers were 10 and 3, and we were talking about Russell Wilson getting a real contract extension. Mike Tomlin was giving thumbs up to the cameras, and he was winking and hugging Russell Wilson. It was a feel-good story. Four games later, they're a 10-point underdog to their biggest rival, Baltimore. And Mike Tomlin is saying, according to reports this morning, yeah, we may go away. back to the other guy, Justin Fields. Yeah, Justin Fields is 14 and 30 as a starter

with a passer rating under 85, and he gets hurt a lot. That's not the answer. This is something, and I know I can sound preachy, so I'll try not to, but this is something I've been on with defensive head coaches for a long time. They do not sense the urgency at quarterback. I have watched Kyle Shanahan move off Jimmy Garoppolo, who got his team to a Super Bowl.

Andy Reid move off the very good Alex Smith. Sean McVey move off Super Bowl quarterback Jared Gough. You're watching Gough deal in Detroit. He's an A quarterback in this league. So defensive coaches do this regularly. And when Pete Carroll said, you know, hey, Gino Smith is my guy. John Snyder, the GM, decided, Pete, you're not my guy. And I think it was probably the right decision.

So memo to defensive head coaches, the best quarterback, eight for eight, on every division. And yesterday for my birthday, my staff at the volume got me a gift, which was incredibly thoughtful, is that, you know, I worked in Portland for a long time, and I knew Phil Knight, and I've always had great respect for Nike and its vision and its business. And when Phil Knight founded the company, he had this manifesto, I guess, as lack of a better word, a manifesto, the 10 principles, you know, of Nike. And number one was, our business is change.

and the number two was we're on offense all the time. Phil Knight would have been a good NFL GM and head coach. The league has changed. It has changed. Eight for eight, best quarterback won every division. I thought Kirk Cousins, throughout the rest of the year, would be the best quarterback. He was the best quarterback in his division until about October 30th. And then Baker was.

But that's just the way it works. And so you can talk about play calling this and that, and people are making. and Moose, who's got the best quarterback? There was one great coaching candidate last year. You could argue Belichick all go Jim Harbaugh. What job did he take? Did he take an organization that had a history of Super Bowls? No.

That had the best roster? No. He took a team that was in the division with Andy Reed and Mahomes because they had Justin Herbert. Think about that. Think about that. Think about the power of Justin Herbert.

is that Jim Harbaugh could have had 15 teams, and he chose the team in a division with Mahomes and Andy Reed and the Hunt family, and Brett Veach. Top to bottom, A-plus, A-plus. I want to go in that division. Why? Why would you do that? Do the Chargers have a lot of Super Bowls? They have a history of winning big games?

No, the opposite. Well, why would you do that? Justin Herbert. And now they're in the playoffs. and a favorite in round one. So whenever the NFL innovates, it is overwhelmingly on offense. I mean, there are 14

teams in the playoffs. 13 have a better quarterback situation than the Steelers. So I think it's fair to start asking questions. And Mike Tomlin, I mean, I gave him credit. Justin Fields had a 4-and-2 record, and he

replaced him, and everybody thought he was wrong. Remember this soundbite. your boldest decisions to go with three you know I'm a Pittsburgh out from East Liberty that's why I'm well compensated

I love that answer and I love his defiance but if we're all being realistic here at quarterback for the Steelers the answer's not in the building right it's probably not in the building J-Mack with the news

no no no turn on the news this is the herd line news All right, let's start with troubling news out of Philadelphia. Nick Siriani has told the media that Jalen Hertz is still in concussion protocol. This is not good, Colin. He has missed the last two weeks. Siriani has no other updates, but he isn't worried about him being rusted if he,

rusty, sorry, if he's available. Packers still four and a half point underdogs in Philly. I mean, does this take away the two? Push, push, if you will. Like, you can't do that with a guy coming out of concussion protocol. I wonder how limited hurts will be as a runner, which is when he is a big factor. I didn't think much of this story, and I don't think I'll make much of this story until tomorrow. Okay.

If he's in protocol tomorrow, but I do feel like, what's the rush? He knows the offense. Season's never been longer. He's played a ton of games. They have a dominating team. They'll be at home. They're a heavy favorite over a banged-up Packers team. So I'm not too worried about it yet.

I honestly think that the Eagles are good enough to win with the backup quarterback. I really do. Have you had a concussion in the last? I don't know. I don't think I've ever had one. I've gotten banged up a few times. What about that skiing thing? I did not have a concussion broke ribs, but I don't, I did not have a, I don't think I've ever had a concussion.

I can remember one, you know, one incident in my life where I was fuzzy, But I don't think it qualified as anything more than that. So I got one in a soccer tournament two years ago. And I'm just telling you, like, you're in a fog. And you're not supposed to be on your phone. You're not supposed to watch TV. You just aren't really processing stuff. You're slow, you're tired, you're lethargic.

Now make that an NFL quarterback when you've got to do so many things. And Colin, there are some numbers floating around the web about people have charted quarterbacks coming off a concussion. It's not good. And their production is not good. And their production is significantly lower. Yeah. So you're right.

Maybe tomorrow's panic time for the evening. but I don't know if it's going to be who the backup is. Pickett, remember, he got dinged up, and then what's his name, Tanner, McPhee, or something like that? I think Stanford quarterback, could he be in line to start? That's not great for the Eagles. Philadelphia at home with this roster against the young Packard team now missing Christian Watson, I think is good enough to win a close game at home.

It is not ideal. If Jordan Love was out, I think the Packers would be toast. In most instances, you know, if, you know, if, you know, if Bo Nix was out for Denver, they're losing by 30. If Josh Allen's out, maybe they're good enough to beat Denver without him, but I don't think so. I think Philadelphia is the one team in this league, and this is no disrespect to Green Bay. They are so good, and they have so many weapons that I think a Kenny Pickett could play a game and win a game, a low-scoring, close game. They'll not win a shootout, but I think Philadelphia have that much respect for their personnel. I mean, we did

this before. They got, they're like Detroit, and maybe even more. so the Detroit. They've got nine or ten elite players and almost every one in a unit. They got corners, pass rushers, D-line, linebacker, O-line. Every unit has a star. Even Detroit can't say that. Buffalo can't say that. Philly can. I would, boy, if the Packers ended up advancing here and facing the Lions, do you remember how good that Monday night game? Was it Monday? Yeah, it was a Monday night game, Packers, Lions. If I'm the Lions, I would take Green Bay something I know over Philadelphia. I don't want to face it.

Philadelphia is the one team that can flex and has better players than we do. I'm going to take Green Bay. I'm familiar with them. I think I have a better team than them and a better roster than them. Who's a better coach? Well, neither one has a ring, so let's just leave it there. Lefleur versus Siriani? Are you kidding?

That's not even close. Listen. Siriani's winning a lot of games. I'm a Lefleur guy, but listen, I've said, I'm wrong on Siriani. I didn't like the opening presser. I don't like the nonsense with fans. I'm clearly wrong. It works.

You're not wrong. He's just winning games. He's got a loaded amazing team. He does. I can admit when I'm wrong. It's, you know, it's just,

I see a lot of his stuff as childish, but you know, it's an emotional game. Your football players are 28 years old. They rally around him. They don't judge as harshly as I would do. So the guy's working. It works.

You have to be able to, in our profession, to just say, you know, it's like if you're a political pundit and you're absolutely sure one candidate's going to win and they don't. You have to show up the next day and go, I was wrong. I was wrong, yeah. Next up is staking in the NFC East. The New York Giants, a lot of work to do this offseason.

Got a fan of find a franchise quarterback, among other things. But they are keeping their head coach and GM. Owner John Mara announced he will be retaining Daibol and Shane next season. But it sounds like they're going to be on a short lease. Listen to this. I understand, believe me, that that's not going to be the most popular decision. in giant land, but we believe it's the right decision for us going forward. How long will it take to improve the product, John?

You better not take too long, Bruce, because I've just about run out of patience. I've run out of patience. Hey, you can keep your job, but I'm running out of patience. Not great. And Colin, with sitting forth in the draft? Now, I would have kept dayball. For the record, let's put our name on it. Okay.

I would have kept dayball. I could have moved off the GM and been okay with that. I do not love what I saw in Hard Knocks with the GM. I've got two people that have dealt with his GM and have had reservations with the situations. I am a day ball fan, and I think this franchise, they're the one franchise in the league. Maybe there's two where I think they have a lot of pieces, just not the quarterback. I don't think the Giants are miles away. I don't.

So, okay, so he says, I'm running out of patience. Colin, at four, you're not getting Cam Ward or Shadour. I don't believe. The top two teams could take them. Okay? Give me the draft order right now. Tennessee is at one. The Browns need a quarterback at two.

Did you see Deshawn Watson had a setback from his Achilles? That's a big sign. They're taking a quarterback. His career is a setback. I would agree. Giants, oh, it says three here. So I don't think they're getting a quarterback at three. Patriots are a four.

My bad. So now you're looking at free agency. Sam Darnold, Kirk Cousins. Are any of those guys turning the fortunes around for the Giants? Well, the Giants aren't winning a Super Bowl next year. I just don't think they're that far off. Are we looking at Gardner Minchews starting for the Giants next year? I don't know.

Who's it going to be? Well, you are a Jets fan. So you tend to be a little harsh on the Giants prospects. I think they're going to land a quarterback. I do not think it's a great quarterback draft class, but I think they'll land one. I love your optimist. I'll tell you what I would do. If I was the GM, I would trade down.

I would make the roster fantastic, and then I would consider Kirk Cousins for a year. I think the Giants roster is close. I think it needs about four dudes. They have to up. They need another receiver. They need a tight end. They can keep going, putting people on the DRO line. Offensive line has some holes.

Yeah. So I, I, I, I, you know, my rule on the NFL draft has never changed. Unless there's an Andrew Loss. or a transformational quarterback, or you need a quarterback and there is one you like, you always trade down. I just talked to an organization over the weekend that wants to trade down,

and their concern is nobody wants to trade up. So this organization has some needs, and they're trying to fix them, and there's just not a lot of takers moving up. Yeah, that's not great. Final story is My New York Jets, another team with a crummy offseason ahead. We're looking for a head coach, a GM,

and hopefully a quarterback. So talking to the New York Post, owner Woody Johnson, would not say who would be under center next season and added the answers won't come until the new head coach and GM are in place. Interesting. The coach will have to decide what the quarterback situation is. That's going to be very important job for the GM and the coach.

So that's interesting. There's been all this speculation that Aaron Rogers, he keeps saying, I've never been fired by a teenager. Now the owner is saying, the coach will make the call. So that leads me to believe Aaron's the guy, and I think he should be. I would bring Aaron back, absolutely. So that feels like that's a change.

A week ago, this thing was swimming in question marks. That is definitive. All right, let's just, I'll just toss this out there, just a name. So let's say the Jets settle on Brian Flores is the head coach. Okay? They decide that's the guy they want. He would keep Aaron. I'm just picking a name.

I don't have any info here. And then Aaron Rogers says, eh, I don't want to play for that guy. I'm out. I don't think Aaron Rogers is in a position to say... You don't think he could just up and retire? Mr. Darkness retreat? Oh, I think he could, and that would be fine. But I don't think Aaron has a huge market.

I think he has probably a two-to-a-three-team market. I do. I think Aaron's play in the last two months was pretty darn good. I think it was pretty good. He had one stinker, and he played very, very well. He watched his buddy Brett Farve hold the Packers hostage for many years, and then there was the Jets and the Vikings. I'm just telling you, there's going to be.

This is going to be an ugly offseason because you know what? Aaron loves seeing his name in the headlines. He's going to go on podcast. He's going to be doing this and that. Well, let's, let's. He can hold the Jets hostage as long as he wants. I don't think that's his personality. I don't think Aaron's going to hold people.

I think Aaron just said something recently where he said, these have been the two best years of my life, meaning winning isn't that important to him. Because he was rehab for one year and got his head kicked in the other year. So it's the worst two years of football. life and he said it was the best two years of his life. So Aaron would be willing to stay in New York if he liked the vibe. I mean, Aaron just said his words, these are the two best years of my life. Can you imagine Mahomes or Brady or Peyton Manning or Breeze after two awful years of winning

game saying it's the best two years of my life? So Aaron's different. It's not about winning. That's not the most important thing. He's saying these are the two best years of my life. So it's a vibe thing, and I think Aaron is sort of open-minded and would be willing to accept a new coach. I don't think he's going to hold anybody hostage. I don't think he has that kind of market leverage. This is my take. Sounds so depressing. She's the seconding.

The Jets. This is the fandom I picked when I was a young, like, eight-year-old kid. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd-Lie News. You know, you kids make... choices and that was your choice. Nick Wright, top of the hour, Mark Sanchez, too,

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And when IT's first, friends stop by like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash will get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He run up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, after you go through a training camp with that Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This week on Crimless, we're joined by our first ever guest. Sorry, our first ever human guest.

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No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing? Simple assault. And it's a play on word, salt? Maybe not. I say we invest and we see. There's only one way to know. This did not amuse the cops. By the way, normally the cops are amused, but this did not abuse the cops.

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and there was a list that was published of 13 different candidates. And here's the thing. It's like there's one great candidate. I would hire a proven head coach. I'd hire Mike Vrable. I'd consider Pete Carroll. But things, a lot of people in my space in the media are terrified of getting criticized by like irrelevant bloggers and trolls.

And so they don't take swings on stuff and they're afraid to, I'm going to walk on eggshell. I'll throw one at you. Mike Tomlin, coach and the Bears. If the Bears get blown out this weekend by Baltimore, Steelers, excuse me. Mike Tomlin of the Steelers, if they get blown out this weekend, I think, they're going to have discussions in the room in Pittsburgh. I would have them, and I think I'd move. And you think it's crazy?

Did you think it was going to happen that Katie was going to go to the Warriors? Did you predict that? Or Joe Montana would be bailed on by San Francisco, the most popular player ever, and end up in Kansas City? Did you think Brett Farve would be leading the Vikings to an NFC championship? Crazy stuff happens in sports. And if I'm Chicago, the number one candidate to me is Vrable or a Mike Tomlin. You can't have some coordinator walk into town with a snazzy resume, and he's a scheme guy.

Scheme guys don't fix tire fires. You need a real mechanic who owns his own shop. You're not going to have a guy. I kid back there. They can put on a tire. That's not going to work. This is a big lift. And if Tomlin gets blown out, they're 10-point dogs.

And they've had a bad end of the season, and he's been getting criticism forever. And I like Mike Tomlin. I like Pete Carroll. But, I mean, Andy Reid got let go. Bill Belichick got fired. You could have the discussion. You can be a grown-up and have a discussion. If I was the Chicago Bears and I ran them and I don't and I never will and that's obvious.

I would be all over Mike Frable. I'd have Pete Carroll on speed dial and I'd be watching the Steelers outcome against the Raiders. I don't think Ravens. I don't think it's crazy at all. This organization needs a swing. I mean, it's like, it's funny because I saw this story this morning where there was a report. reporter at a radio station in Dallas who said Mike Brable would want this job 100% he would want the cowboys job. And I think, you know, the Cowboys job, it's interesting.

I think the Cowboys and people in the Dallas media view the job one way and the rest of us view the job the job the other way. Just I have a rule. Say it out loud. Before you do anything in life, that's a big decision, say it out loud. Are you trying to weigh if you should take a job or not take a job, stay at a job, not stay at a job, just say it out loud. Dallas Cowboys. are paying a B plus quarterback, A plus money, and he's coming off another injury. We have a story today that came out that Jerry Jones will not consider giving up his GM title. That's a story out today.

You think I bought this franchise for my kids, said Jerry Jones? Let me listen to Jerry Jones. He goes, I bought it for myself. Listen to this. I bought the team. I think the first thing that came out of my mouth. Anybody here was at that press conference? Okay, somebody asked, did you buy this for you kids?

And I said, hell no, I bought it for me. And I didn't buy an investment. I bought an occupation. And I bought something that I was going to do. I was 46. I bought something I was going to do for the rest of my life. And that's what I'm doing. And that's fine.

It's his right. But the idea that Cowboys is a great job. I mean, just, just, when you're looking for a job, what's the ownership situation? What's the roster look like? What's my quarterback? and what is he getting paid? And you start looking at the Cowboys. I mean, that's what I would look at if I would look for a job.

Stable ownership, quarterback situation. Is it a total rebuild? A semi-rebuild? Like the Chargers was not a total rebuild. They had to get a right tackle and they had to get a coach. It was a pretty darn good roster. And what's the team's history? Well, I mean, Dallas is one of those things.

It's a mirage. The Cowboy job is a Mirage. You look at that job and you think it's Paradise and it's more like Firefest. that music festival. I mean, that's, you think you see one thing. You go look at that Philadelphia roster. How many players for the Cowboys in an offensive league, offensively would start for them?

C.D. Lamb would be in the rotation of receiver. That's about it. Zach Martin, old expensive, little brittle, wouldn't start for me. I'd take their guards. So, I mean, since 2000, the Cowboys have fewer playoff wins than the New York Jets. We looked it up. They have not been to a conference championship in 30 years. You're getting into Cleveland Brown territory here.

I mean, so you can see it as this. Now, it's down with Cleveland. It's Detroit before Dan Campbell took over. That's what it is. That's what the job is. I saw Micah Parsons today saying, hey, we got to go after Tyreek Hill. That's not the solution. You got a meddling owner who's, I bought this for me, not my kids.

So, I mean, one of the reasons people are bringing. bringing this up and I think it's reality is Mike McCarthy is considering other jobs. Think about that. When Mike McCarthy took the cowboy job, he now acknowledges he kind of BSed his way into it saying, hey, I watched every one of the Cowboys plays. And then he admitted years later, I didn't really watch all of their plays. So Mike McCarthy was on the beach and wasn't getting offers. He was down in his basement, dreaming up, you know, he was cooking up some story that I'm watching

all the Cowboy plays, and I sit here and do analytics. and I think Mike's a good coach. I really do. I think Mike McCarthy's a good coach. But just to give you a sense of where the cowboys are now, there are multiple legitimate reporters who I followed for years who are now saying McCarthy's considering leaving Dallas. He's considering other jobs.

What does that tell you? I mean, you know, McVeigh may go to broadcasting. McVeigh's not going, you know, that Arizona Cardinal job is very interesting to me. McVeigh's like, I'm the Rams coach or I'll go work for a lot. Amazon. I mean, that's what he's going to do. So I think this is a, I know Mike Frable, but I haven't asked him about the Cowboys' job, and I have

no information. But this idea that it's a great job, ownership, recent history, quarterback, roster, I mean, go look at Detroit's roster and Philadelphia's roster. Go look at Baltimore's roster. I'm not even mentioned in Kansas City. I'm not even, they're not even on the table yet. Go look at Buffalo's roster.

I've said this, if the Rams had a number one corner, and that's going to probably be their first or second pick in the draft, if the Rams, because they're a very, very young team on defense, if the Rams had one more X receiver on the sideline, because Cooper Cup's aging, and they need a down-the-field guy, pukas sort of around the middle of the field, in a corner, the Rams roster suddenly is really, really good.

J-MAC doesn't believe it, but it's really, really good. So, Herd hierarchy, top of the hour, This coaching thing is fascinating. So if you look at the top of the draft, the current draft order, it's basically teams that run through coaches and GMs. It's just chaos. The Steelers are the opposite, where they never make changes. And I think you have to be careful if you run a business saying,

hey, stability is the key. Stability like anything else is overrated. stability is important, but stability for stability's sake is overrated. And so, yeah, you look at the top of the draft order, Tennessee, Cleveland, Patriots, Jags, Raiders, Jets, Panthers, yeah, bears. It's just constant change. But you know what would stabilize any of these is getting the right coach. If Mike Vrable gets the Patriots job, they're not getting another coach for five years. So they'll be out of this list.

So that's why I say the fascinating situation this weekend in the NFL, there are two that really, really to me are riveting. Sam Darnold against the Rams, what's that performance looked like? And Pittsburgh against Baltimore. If Pittsburgh gets run out of the building, 3410, not competitive, Andy Reid and Bill Belichick got let go. You can't tell me you can't have discussions. the other team in that state, the Philadelphia Eagles, who have been dynamic for the last decade,

they're the franchise in the state that wins a bunch of games and is relevant. They're moving through coaches. They keep taking big swings. They like Chip Kelly for a couple years. Then they didn't like him. And they liked Doug Peterson. And they won a trophy. And then they didn't like him.

So Philadelphia has proven you can move off winning coaches. Kansas City has moved off winning coaches. You can do that too. This whole idea of stability for stability, say, it's like loyalty. I'm loyal until I shouldn't be. Loyalty for loyalty's sake sometimes is Suckerville. So let's do a quick pop quiz. What was the last Pittsburgh Steelers playoff victory from Mike Tomlin?

I would say six years ago, six eight years ago. January of 2017. So I was right, six years ago. Seven years ago. It's been a while. Ask yourself this. And the last few times they've been to the playoffs, they got their butts kicked by the bills. They lost by 14 to the Chiefs by 21 to the Browns in the, I think that was the Baker Mayfield.

But ask yourself this. Here's the bigger question. It's one thing winning a playoff game. When is the last time the Steelers beat a legitimate top five quarterback in a playoff game? Because that's what the great franchises do. That's what Kansas City does. That's what Philadelphia does. When is the last time?

I mean, the Philadelphia Eagles beat Brady in the Super Bowl. The New York Giants at their best beat Brady twice in the Super Bowl. When is the last Steeler playoff win over a Manning, a Brady, you know, a big boy quarterback. It's been a while. But this is, again, this is like the Portland Trailblazers argument from the NBA. They had Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum, an awesome back court. You were guaranteed 45, 50 wins, hold on, and the playoffs every year, and maybe one year you'd make a run. So you were going to be good and you're going to be in the postseason.

That's what the Steelers are for the last eight years. They're going to be good in the season, and they're going to make the playoffs. Is that not good enough for you? Pinch me. Tell me it's real. Yippie. Come on. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what?

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