The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Bears, Patriots, NCAAFB
Episode Date: October 25, 2022Colin admits he was wrong about the Bears in the offseason and why they are headed in the right direction Bill Belichick is out of touch with the current NFL after losing Tom Brady and long time offen...sive coordinator Josh McDaniels What college coaches have to deal with Guest: Albert BreerSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Jay Mack is joining me yesterday.
That was, think about this weekend.
Carolina destroyed Brady and the Bucks.
and Chicago destroyed New England and Foxborough.
What makes this lead so great,
you have no idea what you're getting.
Those are two of the biggest, most shocking games of this season
in, you know, 24 hours.
Toss in Aaron Rogers losing to Taylor Heineke.
And now you've got Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady,
and potentially Belichick all missing the playoffs.
Colin, this is a crazy season.
Crazy. Let's start with this.
I think it's my job to be a little skeptical.
and a little cynical.
People are always pumping sunshine, PR people and bosses and I'm going to be a little cynical.
Maybe it's not a good quality, but I am.
I push back.
I make mistakes, but I'm never stubborn.
When I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
I didn't like Matt Eberflus being hired.
A defensive coach, once again by the Chicago Bears,
who have a history of leaning heavily into defense as the league is changing
with a young quarterback and a bad offensive line.
And their first two draft picks were a cornerback and a safety and I didn't like it.
But I have never seen Bill Belichick, completely utterly outcoached for three hours and 45 minutes.
All phases all night.
Never seen that.
I've seen Belichick lose.
I've seen Belichick get blown out.
I have never seen Belichick get on like that.
Belichick 70% of Bill's wins.
You remember the Super Bowls.
You remember the AFC championship.
70% of his wins are over new staffs, young quarterbacks.
He makes them play left-handed and the games aren't competitive.
Iber Flusse did that to Belichick last night.
And that was ugly.
Now, it helps that New England doesn't draft or acquire offensive talent very well.
league pivots to an offensive league.
The Patriots have looked to say the least clunky.
My only question last night after that game was, okay, the Bears had a few extra days
because they played on Thursday.
Is this the new standard?
Is this the team that will go play Dallas?
Because every week, the Bears, it feels like to me, are a little better.
Is this now the ceiling or the standard?
because, and you see this, sometimes it's just a magical night.
It's very possible extra prep time with a young quarterback, young old line.
It was a magical night.
You see it in college football all the time.
You see a 15 point, 20 point underdog win.
It's a good matchup.
They get a couple breaks early.
The other team can't get their quarterback right.
It could have just been a magical night.
That's entirely possible.
But it feels like to me when you're a rebuilding team, like let's say the Jets,
there are certain boxes you want to check, right?
The quarterback, the left tackle, the edge rusher, the J.
The Jets got the GM right.
Joe Douglas has had back-to-back great drafts.
I don't know if the coach and the quarterback are right.
Who knows?
But the Jets have checked a box.
Joe Douglas, GM, check.
New York Giants are rebuilding.
We don't know about the new GM.
We'll have to see, you know, the draft picks.
But Brian Daibald, the coach, check.
The Giants have checked the coach.
box. They got that right. Denver, not so sure. And I look at the bears right now. And I still don't
like offensive line. They don't have enough weapons. But they got they got the corner. They got the
safety. And I think we can check the coach. This looks like a fundamentally really well-coached team.
And I got to tell you something. Last night, Justin Fields, 13 to 21, 179 yards, 85 passer rating.
It is possible that's what he is.
A very athletic kid that runs out of the pocket too soon, but can deliver strikes, can get it downfield.
I don't know what he is.
He doesn't look terribly comfortable in the pocket on a regular basis.
But even with him as a defensive coach, Luke Getsey, the offensive coordinator, I like the game they call.
I like the game they call.
I mean, think about this.
Even with that offensive line and limited weapons, they had 24 first downs.
They had the ball for 37 minutes and average six yards a pass.
So the defensive leaning organization and defensive head coach, that's pretty good with that
offensive line.
They even figured that out.
But the Bears roster is pretty talent thin on the offensive side.
But, and I say this all the time, if you hire a coach, can he get his side of the ball right?
That Bears defense is playing above itself.
I don't think they're that talented.
I mean, I got a rookie corner, rookie safety.
these guys are playing like pro bowlers.
So the he has
ace, that he has figured that defense out.
That is a great sign.
McVeigh figured out the offense in L.A.
immediately.
McDermott defense in Buffalo very quickly.
And the second thing is,
Luke Getsey, the offensive coordinator.
I said this three weeks ago.
I said it a week ago.
He's really clever.
Maybe that's part of Green Bay's problems.
He left the Packers.
He went to the Bears.
I think he's clever.
I like what he does.
Some of it's smoke and mirrors with that offensive line,
but sometimes.
you've got to use smoking mirrors in life to get by.
But I think in this league, getting the coach right in a rebuilding setting is at least
30% of the equation.
It may be 50% of the equation.
And if you don't have the right quarterback, it could be 60 to 70% of the equation.
But it looks like the Bears hit one out of the park.
And I was a cynic, and I doubted it, but I'm not stubborn.
This is a well-coached football team, and that is cool.
And the Jets got the right GM.
The Giants have the right coach.
And that is cool.
Here's Matt After.
We had a chance to take a breath during the by week and really figure out what we needed to do and needed to adjust what we're doing well.
And some things we needed to tweak a little bit.
And no big changes, but just some things to enhance our players skill sets.
And I thought we did a good job with that.
All right, let's talk New England.
Whatever that was.
Whatever that was.
So year one, post-Tom Brady was Cam Newton.
It was a noble effort, but it didn't do much.
Year two without Tom Brady, it was Mack Jones.
Well, I got to the playoffs.
Year three is the first year, no Brady, no Josh McDaniels.
It ain't great.
It's not good.
They don't know what they're doing in offense.
And here's the thing.
Even goats, Belichick's a goat.
Even goats have holes.
Michael Jordan could very often be hard to play with and revert back to being a ball hog.
And then he got Phil Jackson.
Pulled him back a little.
Play well with others.
As great as Brady is, he always needed a good offensive line.
By the way, you want to know the problems in Tampa right now?
They lost their Pro Bowl center and both guards.
They brought in Shaq Mason, but they can't run the football.
And Tom can't move.
That's a big part of it.
Tom always had good old lines.
He didn't always have a great defense in New England.
He didn't always have star receivers.
Always had a good line.
Always.
Right now he didn't have one.
Belichick, what's his hole?
He's a defensive coach.
And he's a 70-year-old defensive coach.
And he doesn't have a great feel for how to, I mean, come on.
Just play Bailey Zappy.
If he stinks, make the move at half.
But you literally start him after a pick, you bail on him.
That's not how you do it.
Mac Jones, the crowd is chanting for Bailey Zappy.
You should have played him from the start.
And then if Bailey Zappy stinks, you play Mac Jones.
But you put Mac Jones in when Bailey Zappies on a two-game winning streak and tearing it up,
and the crowd's rooting for Mac Jones, and Mac Jones hears it.
And then Mac Jones throws a pick.
You pull him, Zappy has a good series or two.
The crowd's going nuts.
Mac Jones is sitting there in a stadium that nobody wants him on the team.
It's not how you handle it.
All I know is this is the first year without Brady and Josh McDaniels.
And this offense, that last night was bad.
And it was what Belichick had done to others for years.
So, you know, I like Bailey Zappy.
Mac Jones is fine.
But neither of these guys now has a great wide receiver or tight end group.
The offensive line is okay, not special.
I like the running backs, but you're in a division with Josh Allen twice a year.
And now Mike McDaniel.
For two decades,
New England won a lot of games.
They were boring, but they won a lot of games.
Now they're average and boring.
Robert Kraft did not become a billionaire sitting idly by.
This is a boring team and on a fairly regular occurrence, not necessarily a good team.
Belichick on that weird quarterback shuffle after the game.
Who is the starting quarterback?
Yeah, we just finished the game.
So when Mack came out of the game bill,
was that a medical decision, the timing of the...
No.
Bullying him?
So was that related to the interception?
That was his last play tonight?
No, we had planned to play.
I told the quarterback's that we were going to play both of them.
And so was the plan for three series?
It just seems when his last plays in interception,
it looks like a benching for performance.
That's not what it was, but, you know,
You can write whatever you want to write.
That's not what it was.
Considering the game was in Foxborough, there's Bailey Zappy signs everywhere.
He played great back-to-back weeks.
You just keep going with the kid.
If you want to play Mac Jones, play him at half.
If you lead 28-0, you can.
If you trail 28-0, you could.
But it just wasn't handled well.
And the perception is now Mac Jones feels like a beaten down kid who needs all the support he can get from the coach
because he certainly doesn't get it from his wide receivers and his tight end.
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Bill Barnwell is a very respected journalist covers the NFL, really, really smart guy.
We have him on the show occasionally.
And I just appreciate his suggestion that he made because so many people in our business are
terrified of being wrong that I think it hurts critical thinking.
I think we should throw stuff out there and it can be totally.
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exploration is what creates technology, what new
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at stuff. Do your work. Take big swings.
Who cares if you're wrong? We're all wrong.
So Barnwell says
because the
Niners are getting very expensive
and the Tray Lance thing was really ugly
like he couldn't complete 50%
of his throws or barely did, they should
consider moving him. He could still get a first
or a second round pick. I mean, there's eight
teams that need a quarterback or trading Brandon
Iyuk to get some draft capital back because they have Debo Samuel, Jennings.
And here's the thing.
A lot of things sound ridiculous.
Like Tom Brady leaving Belichick in New England for completely dysfunctional Tampa.
They won a Super Bowl.
Or the Kansas City Chiefs off a 12 and 4 record moving up to take a quarterback who had a losing college record from a conference to Big 12 that kept giving the NFL duds at quarterback.
That was Patrick Mahomes.
Or the Rams hiring a 30-year-old.
old offensive coach from a dysfunctional mess in Washington?
Yeah, we're going to give a 30-year-old.
Sometimes you struggle to give a 30-year-old the keys to the car.
We're going to give you the keys to a $4 billion organization.
Oh, by the way, he wasn't even a candidate.
He came out of nowhere.
That was Sean McVeigh.
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Be careful.
The number one rule in business.
The number one rule.
double down on what's working and don't get stubborn.
Move off stuff that's not.
Now, I think it's too early to move off Trey Lance.
I'd give him another OTA, another preseason.
But Philadelphia moved up to get Carson Wentz and gave him over $100 million and moved off him.
How are they doing today?
And Arizona fired a coach and moved off Josh Rosen the following year.
I think they're better with Kyler Murray.
Be careful about thinking stuff is crazy.
Bill Barnwell is basically saying,
listen, man, this is ugly.
Didn't work.
It's not close.
He's saying, re-sign Garoppolo.
At least you know what you get with him.
You're not starting over.
Garoplo's won 71% of it starts.
That's not terrible.
But I thought Tray Lance was a great pick.
I thought he checked like four of the five boxes.
The only question was he'd been inactive.
There's a scarcity of tape.
Is he a good thrower of the football?
But I'd met him.
He's a smart kid.
athletic, he's a hard worker, he checked a lot of boxes. Yeah, the Niners thought he checked all those
boxes too. You're going to stick with it? What if he has another OTA and he's 50% completion?
Go to preseason, 50% completion. You give him the starting job next year, 50% completion.
You know, again, you're not bottoming out, but Barnwell's suggestion is don't double down on wrong,
which I will always, always defend. Doesn't mean I'd move off him now. I wouldn't yet.
but folks the great ones you can see i remember when mohomes went to kansas city and peter schrager
is texting me in his rookie camp and it's like they have found marino
what kid couldn't win in college he couldn't win in the big 12 they're like you're i am hearing
justin herbert remember the first start when tyrod taylor had something punctured by a
they put him in remember how many doubters they're
there were on Justin Herbert a half into his career.
You're like, okay, they're good.
You just, what you don't want to do is get rigid and double down on wrong.
I wouldn't move off Trey Lant, but I would watch it very closely.
You know I'm a Garoppolo fan.
You all hate him.
He's won 71% of his game.
Shanan's never won without him.
He won in New England.
He wins in San Francisco.
And I think if Brady retired and he went there, he'd win in Tampa Bay.
I really do.
I think he'd go win the division in Tampa.
J-Mack with the news
No
No
Turn on the news
This is the herd line news
I clearly need to read this
Bill Barnwell piece
Well you know he's super bright
If you say so
I don't know his work
But I'm just looking at
Trey Lance here
He started five games
And this dude's saying
Maybe move off of him
Well
It's not just five games
It was five games
And there appears to be
A clear
Issue with the accuracy
And throwing
I was told by two different people
one inside the organization and a throwing coach out, they are deeply concerned.
Like, deeply concerned within the organization that it's just not working and they can,
the ceiling on the accuracy, folks, if you can't complete 61% of your throws in this league,
it doesn't work.
I've always thought the move was crazy to move off Garapolo, but giving up all those picks
for a guy, giving him five games as a sample size.
I'm saying I wouldn't do it yet.
But the suggestion of it is you got to win in this league or you get fired.
You don't get a lot of second and third chances to be a head coach.
You have to consider a take the call.
Interesting.
Okay.
I hope my jets don't go after Shrey Lance.
Let's go to the first story here.
Tom Brady came out of retirement to go for another Super Bowl with the Bucks.
Things have gone very, very wrong.
They're three and four.
Embarrassing loss to the Panthers.
Biggest upset of the season, I think we'd agree.
Oh, yeah.
The Patriots losing to the Bears has to be number two.
But despite the slow start, Tom Brady, he's still committed as ever to this Tampa Bay football team.
You know, I made a commitment to this team, and I love this team, and I love this organization.
I told them in March I was playing, and I've never quit on anything in my life.
And I know a bunch of teammates that we all count on one another to be at our best and to work hard and to put the team first.
And that's what you commit to.
And that's what you want your teammates to commit to as well.
I want to keep fighting as hard as I can.
and I'm always trying to do better.
I'm always trying to work hard,
and I'm always trying to commit more to the things that are important to me.
This team is very important to me,
and I certainly want to be the best I can be for them.
Oh, commit more to the things that are important to me?
I wonder if Giselle's hearing that and saying,
well, you made a commitment to me and our family,
and you're breaking that commitment now, Tom.
Well, could I simplify Tampa's problems?
they lost one of the most underrated players in the league, Ryan Jensen's center.
Go look at the teams in the NFL this year that have had awful weeks.
The Chargers missing a center.
We don't talk about centers.
He lost his Pro Bowl center.
They can't run the ball now.
And now Tom's dropping back to throw 45 and 50 times a game at 45 years old.
I think if Ryan Jensen's here.
So I think a lot of their stuff is solvable.
But they lost their starting center.
Mali Marpet retired.
They're left.
They all last all three guys in the middle.
Shack Mason's helped.
But some of this stuff is they don't run the ball consistently.
So you're now incredibly Tom Reliant, which by the way, Mike Evans is never healthy.
Chris Godwin's never healthy.
A.B.'s gone.
Gronks gone.
Some of this stuff, in hindsight, is a little predictable.
Injuries hurt.
You know what Brady misses?
I'll never forget sitting here in Fox.
It's like four years ago.
And Dave Wonstat was telling a story about the Falcons Patriot Super Bowl.
And how Brady at halftime was like, we got to just get the ball.
to James White because this pass rush is killing us.
They don't have a James White.
Like a Swiss Army knife guy comes out of the backfield.
They just don't have that.
Well, think of what they lost from last year.
Ali Marpet, a great guard, a pro ball center,
Gronk in the Red Zone, A, B, Speed, Bruce Ariens coaching, the other guard.
And by the way, they had major cluster injuries on the O-line and receiver September.
So, like, this is hard.
I still think they win the division, but sometimes we just have to realize.
If I came to work and you're not here for a week, and then Ryan's off, and then it's harder.
It's harder to do a show.
It's harder in life if you work at a hospital and this nurse has gone.
And then your other doctor's gone.
Chief of staff takes a month off.
You need your people.
You need your allies.
And right now, they're just kind of injured, a lot of change, chaos, trying to figure it out team.
What's up with Todd Bowles' defense?
The identity of the bucks under Brady had been, you can't run on us.
The Panthers just ran for 200 yards.
All right.
Next up, Alan Lazzard was forced to leave the Packers game against a Commander Sunday with his shoulder injury.
Remember, Randall Cobb's already out, Colin.
And now Alan Luzard, his status for this week is in question.
Matt LaFleur said it's unclear if he'll be there for the bills.
Oh boy, did you see the point spread on this game?
Biggest spread ever.
If I said to you, Buffalo 40 Green Bay 13, is that outrageous?
I think that's a little bit outrageous.
Lazard does lead the Packers in receiving with 340, but do they have to have?
any chance against the bills this week?
Do you understand what an 11 point line is?
10 and a half point line?
Buffalo off of the buy, healthy.
This is, Bill, I don't even know what to say here.
Packers fall to 3 and 5 and they lose by 30 to the bills.
Look at the NFL schedule this weekend.
Think about where Green Bay is at as a franchise.
I think I get a coaching edge, a quarterback edge, a pass rush edge, a weapons edge, a home field edge.
And for the record, what is the weather?
The only thing that can help Green Bay, if it's 40-mile-an-hour winds,
and you can't throw to Stefan Diggs and Gabriel Davis.
But if it's reasonable weather,
and by the way, Green Bay is also a team that when they fall behind,
they fall fast, down 14-0,
this thing could get 40-13.
It could be like the Steelers' bills game, right?
Now, I thought last night New England would win by blowout.
So stuff happens.
Green Bay could play great.
They could finally give the ball to Aaron Jones,
consistently. I can't figure that out.
So this Buffalo front has dominated, I'm just talking, obliterated some offensive lines.
Bakhtiari, I don't think he didn't play against Washington.
Washington killed the Packers at the line of scrimmage.
So this could get ugly for Rogers.
Are you already starting to write Monday's lead into the show?
Throwing dirt on Aaron Rogers.
All right.
Final story.
Let's get to the biggest game of weekend.
The Jets and the Patriots, Colin.
Listen, some somber news for the Jets.
It's Breece Hall officially done for the season with an ACL, but that wasn't it.
AVT, the great offensive lineman from USC.
He had been great, the best offensive lineman for the Jets this year.
He's out for the season.
I think that.
I think you can get about 70% of Breece Hall on the market.
They went and got Greg Robinson.
James Robinson.
James Robinson.
Okay, so I think he's 70, 75% of Breece.
I think that's okay.
They also have a backup running back who, is that Michael Carter?
Michael Carter out of UNC.
He's fine.
So I think they're okay at running back.
I mean, Robinson's fine.
James Robinson's fine.
But you cannot replace before the trading deadline.
Who's giving up a great offensive line?
That's the problem.
They're looking around Douglas reportedly looking for an offensive lineman.
The asking price is going to be too high for any of the Carolina guys.
And there really aren't a lot of other teams selling it.
I don't think Houston's selling Tunsel, even though they're terrible.
Browns have two great guards.
Would they give up one?
I don't think they're – they think they're in the mix.
They're like, wait, we might be, what are they, two and five?
We think we're close to four and three because we've just lost some coin flip games to the Jets.
And, you know, we should have beat the Ravens.
And I think they think Deshaun Watson could save them.
So they're not selling anybody.
I just don't know what the Jets are going to do offensively.
That being said, we just watch the Patriots get their butts kick.
Are they any good?
Jets Patriots is fascinating this week coming.
What do you mean?
What do you mean?
Not fascinating.
It's a great game.
Well, I don't think it's fascinating.
I think if you're a Jets fan, it's interesting.
That line is Patriots favor by two in New York.
Penny Lean there for you.
Oh, boy.
Yeah, there's a tough one.
New England.
I know, I'm sorry.
They just got humiliated.
New England will play better.
Quarterback controversy?
No, it's not a controversy.
Jay Mack with the news.
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So I saw this story.
I love college football.
It can be really hokey.
I saw this story.
Texas Steve Sarkesian is sorry for missing the eyes of Texas after they lost a game.
He didn't go over to the corner of the stadium and sing the eyes of Texas.
Here it is.
Here it is.
He's sorry.
He feels very bad.
I own apology to Longhorn Nation.
I made a mistake at the end of the game.
and not singing the eyes of Texas when the game was done.
That was not anything intentional.
That was not anything that had to do with our players.
I think our players just followed me up the ramp into the locker room.
Obviously upset by the way the game ended and literally walked off the field.
So I apologize to everybody for that.
That'll never happen again.
Okay, a lot of college football is this hokey, college-y, rah-rah stuff.
it's cheesy.
But it's college football.
But if you wonder why Brian Kelly fakes his Southern charm,
because it works.
College football coaches are used car salesmen too often.
Got to eat that third piece of apple pie.
That's the best I've ever had.
I talked to Barry Switzer once about college recruiting.
It was unbelievable.
He was incredibly honest.
You got to make sure dad likes you.
You got to pretend you like hanging out with a boosters.
You got to sing the college song.
That's why a lot of guys just want to go coach pro football or be a coordinator.
Many of the top college coaches are faking.
They can actually coach.
Jimbo Fisher is a recruiter.
That's pretty much it.
Sark, in this moment, needed to fake it.
By end of that stuff, I deeply care because in college football,
you got to make the local fans and the boosters and the region believe, hey, he's one of us.
And so Brian Kelly gets ripped by Northerners.
ripped by people. But in the end, down there, he's buying in. Hey, I'm here and I'm here for years,
and I'm buying in, and I love Louisiana, and they're okay with it. And when you lose,
well, Sark lost, it gets magnified. You know who's no longer cringy and no longer anybody cares
about it? Brian Kelly, he's winning. He's tied with Alabama. So when you take that college football job,
just realized, and I'm very thankful as a Pac-12 guy, we don't have a lot of this stuff.
But when you take some of these jobs, many of them, you know, they're Texas and it's in the South.
You got to sing that fight song.
And you got to kind of pander to the boosters and the local car salesman.
And it's tedious.
But it is part of the sport.
If Sark would have won, he would not have had to probably address it with the urgency and the hand motions.
And I'm sorry.
And I apologize at the knee of Texas football.
But, you know, it's almost like, you know what I always feel like with college football coaches?
It's like those rock bands that tour.
It's part of the game.
You have to go on stage, nobody rocks like Cleveland.
Actually, everybody does.
We're in Chicago tomorrow and they rock way more than Cleveland.
But it makes Cleveland feel good.
Or Dayton, Ohio, or Green Bay, Wisconsin, or Omaha, Nebraska, or Eugene, Oregon.
Makes them feel good.
You're buying in.
You're one of them.
And you've got to do it in college.
But for the record,
It is cheesy.
I mean, it is kind of cheesy, right?
We could a little bit, kind of, sort of.
Didn't you hire them to win games or sing?
But this is why Brian Kelly doing that southern thing.
They love it.
That's okay.
It's part of the game.
You got to go on stage.
You got to go on stage and tell everybody,
nobody rocks like Omaha.
And then tomorrow, nobody rocks like Iowa.
All right, a lot of people do, but it's okay.
You got to be, put your arms around people.
A little cheesy.
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All sorts of stuff.
The game last night was, it was the whole weekend.
Carolina crushing Brady.
I've never seen Belichick own like that for three and a half hours.
That was a complete display.
It wasn't just a win.
It wasn't just the route.
All three phases owned all of them all night.
It was what Belichick did to other young quarterbacks for the last 20-some years.
Albert Breer, senior reporter, Money Morning Quarterback.
You know, I said,
I always go into coaching hires most of the time.
And new quarterbacks, a little critical, a little cynical.
Because let's be honest, four to five quarterbacks drafted in the first round don't become stars.
And 70% of these coaches hired don't work.
So I looked at Matt Eberfluse, and I was like, here go the Bears again.
Defensive coach in an offensive league.
They draft a corner and a safety, first two picks, bad old line.
But I'm sitting here watching him last night.
I've watched them the last couple of nights.
And I got to tell you, I don't think their defense is as good as it's playing.
He's fixed the defense.
I don't know.
It looks like to me, you tell me, I was critical of the higher Polion, by the way.
Bill Polion's the one that led that coaching search I was told in Chicago.
The owners called Bill and said, find us a coach.
Are you shocked how good?
I mean, I think what he is doing is pretty special.
Well, and Matt Iber Fluse is Rod Marinelli's guy.
Rod Marinelli is Tony Dungey's guy. Tony Dungey is Bill Polian's guy, which is kind of how you can see that
playing out the way that it did. But, you know, I think sometimes we overrate the offensive play caller
thing and the quarterback thing. And, you know, I think Sean McVeigh and Kyle Shanahan, guys like that
would tell you that the actual play calling, the quarterback development, is a small percentage of
their job. And so much of it is building the right staff and building the right atmosphere in the
building. I think we're starting to see those things already show up. And I think they show up every
week with the Bears. Look how hard they're playing, right? Like on a week in a week out basis,
they're not going to win every game. This still may only be a 6-1 team, but they're locked in.
They believe what their coaches are selling them and they're playing their asses off.
And then the second piece of it, it goes to the staff, the adaptability there, right?
What were we all saying in the first month and a half of the season? Why aren't you running
Justin Fields more? You're not doing enough with him. Matt Nagy and his staff really didn't do that
year, right? And how much easier could you make it on Justin Fields if you do design some runs for him
and get him going and move the pocket? What do we see last night? An adjustment. Justin Fields is a runner
being used a little bit more. Justin Fields in a moving pocket a little bit more. So, you know,
I look at like the effort on the part of the players and the adaptability on the part of Matt
Iber Fluse's staff as really good signs that the program is heading in the right direction.
So I, you know, listen, Belichick is clunky offensively.
This is the first year without Brady and Josh McDaniel.
And it's been ugly.
Okay.
First, you know, Dante left first.
They were okay.
They made the play.
And then Brady leaves and then Josh leaves.
And it feels like that Bailey Zappy Mac Jones situation, the whole crowd turned on Mac Jones.
I'm like, you got to do a better job than this, right?
Why didn't they just start Bailey Zappy and say?
see how that transpired. Right. I think the problem, Colin, here is like Belichick's obsession
with treating the quarterback position like every other position on the field when there's an
acknowledgment across the sport that it's not like every other position. And this goes back to,
you know, his relationship with Brady and his willingness to, let's call it what it was,
MF Brady in front of the entire team to try to create that sort of feeling in the building that
if Brady is not exempt from this, no one else is. And I think you even heard, I think he said it
the radio this morning that like we have rotations at other positions too the position the position of
quarterback isn't like every other position you have to handle it differently it's different from the time
these guys are eight nine years old they're treated differently they're developed differently
they're coach differently they're handled differently as pros and i mean look like to me like last
night they can say till the cows come home it was part of the plan you know what i saw what i saw was
something that looked like a duck and quack like a duck so it's hard not to call it a
duck. Mac Jones looked like he was benched last night. Yeah. And there's going to be repercussions
to that. Three and out, three and out, throws a pick, pulled from the lineup, doesn't go back in.
That happens anywhere, anywhere else. We're calling it a benching. And that's with a guy who's
coming off of a high ankle sprain. What's that going to do to his confidence going forward,
especially when his backup played pretty well against both Detroit and Cleveland. And so I think
there are implications here, and it's going to be really interesting to see the way this is handled.
And I also am going to be curious to see if there's any pushback on that staff.
I think the way they handled last night, I think that's something Josh McDaniels might have pushed back against Bill Belichick doing.
Matt Patricia and Joe Judge have done a nice job over the last few weeks.
Do they have this sort of collateral in the building to push back on what Bill is doing here?
Like I said, it's going to be a fascinating situation to monitor over the next couple of weeks and how they handle Mac Jones coming back off the injury.
All right.
So Jim Mersey says a powerful owner.
He's got strong opinions on Dan Snyder, on his personnel.
I don't think Ballard and Frank Reich love the idea of bailing on Carson Wentz,
who had 27 TDs and seven picks.
Those are pretty good numbers.
But Ursay wanted him out.
He was ticked off.
Now Matt Ryan gets benched.
My initial reaction is, this is Jim Ursay.
But I also think Matt, look, he is aged quickly.
What are the scouts saying?
What are your sources saying on the situation in Indy with Matt Ryan?
Yeah, I checked in with a couple scouts who felt like his arm was shot, you know, watching him.
And that the league actually told us what they really saw to Matt Ryan when there was only a third round pick out there for a former MVP quarterback for the Atlanta Falcons to go and get.
And so, yeah, I mean, I think what we're seeing now that the Colts are bailing this quickly on that, Ryan, is first and foremost an indictment on Ryan.
Because the plan here between Jim Ersi and Chris Ballard and Frank Reich was for Matt Ryan to be the quarterback for the next three.
or four years, a la Peyton Manning in Denver, like that he could be that guy to hold the fort
and help buy them time to find the quarterback of the future. I think what we've got now, Colin,
is like you said, a little bit of an ownership-driven situation. And I think that this is a
statement from the owner that he wants this situation taking care of long-term. He's sick of
the revolving door at quarterback. Remember, this is a guy who had two long-term answers over the last
25 years in Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. He knows what it feels like to have that guy.
And he wants to find that guy now.
He doesn't want to wait any longer for it.
So you put Sam Mellinger in there.
His intangibles are off the charts.
The question is going to be physically, can he get it done?
You're going to get some answers on that.
If he can be the guy going forward, great.
I don't think they're counting on it.
If he can't, maybe you sink closer to the bottom of the league
and then you're in position to take one next year.
So I think that's sort of the thought process of the owner here.
And, you know, again, it'll be interesting to see what that means for the future of Chris
Ballard and Frank Reich as well.
You know, a couple weeks ago, or maybe it was last week, J. Mack, I said, I feel like Mahomes and Josh Allen have separated from the league. That's Tier 1. And then Tier 2 is about 12 quarterbacks we all like. Some are young Jalen Hurts, some are old Brady. And I watch Burrow. And if you take out the first game, the first game where he had appendix me surgery, didn't practice, didn't play. From the cowboy game, especially the second half on, he's got like 16 touchdowns in one giveaway. The game, the game. The game,
name looks easier to him. It just simply looks easier to him. You did a story, you talked to his dad
years ago. Yeah. I mean, what is, I mean, what did he say about his son? Yeah. So, you know,
I did a story with Joe, you know, in the summer. And, you know, I talked to his dad, Jimmy Burrow,
who's been a coach forever and ever and ever was Frank Solich's defensive coordinator at Ohio
University. And, you know, Joe had said to me, like, it's just always made sense to me. When I look
out there across the line of scrimmage, what I'm looking at has always made sense to me.
And so I asked Jimmy about that.
And I said, is there a story, like from when he was younger that really illustrates that?
And he said, yes, there is one, actually.
So when Joe was in the third grade, he's playing organized football for the first time,
coach puts him at quarterback.
And over the course of preseason practice, the coach had noticed this kid's pretty smart
when it comes to football, coach's son, and everything else.
So he gave him the freedom to, if the center wasn't covered, tap the center on the side,
and then run a quarterback sneak on his own,
like unilaterally make that decision.
Remember, he's eight years old at this point.
So first series, first time playing quarterback,
first time in organized football.
Joe Burrow taps the center on the side,
runs for a 70-yard touchdown.
And if you go back and you look at it,
and Jimmy Burrow still has the video of it,
you see it,
it looks like he's two yards across the line of scrimners
before anybody knows what to do with it, you know?
And he's just, he's got one of the,
and Jimmy said to me,
you kept seeing this stuff,
over and over and over again the older he gets.
And obviously it gets more advanced over the years.
But I think you can see it even now, like this year.
Like you saw it last year, right?
Like in the way that they were able to advance the offense and make it what it was
and get Jamar Chase up to speed as a rookie receiver and create and make history,
you know, from that position.
And this year, you know, what you're seeing from Cincinnati is a lot of what Kansas
City went through last year.
Entirely new offensive line and a lot of teams playing too high safeties to stop them.
And on the fly,
Joe Burrow has adjusted to that, and he's adjusted to it faster than the Chiefs did last year.
This is a dangerous team, Colin, and I've said this a few times now.
There's no quarterback that's come into the league over the last 20 years that is a closer
comp to Tom Brady than Joe Burrough.
And I think we look at Mahomes and Allen, and those guys are fantastic, phenomenal talents.
But it's physically obvious with them.
Right.
I think we don't lump Burrow into that group because it's not as physically obvious.
But I think when you're talking about quarterbacks over the next 15 to 20 years, Mahomes, Alan,
Burrow is in that group.
Yeah.
Albert Brear, Monday morning quarterback.
Fantastic stuff.
Great seeing you again, my man.
All right.
Thanks, Colin.
I get the honor of interviewing Joe Burrow every Tuesday.
I'll talk to him this afternoon.
And he's got a little bit like the Brady.
Now Brady's obviously married to Superbondle and become this, you know, legendary guy.
But Burrow and Brady at their core just kind of got this sort of work ethos, you know,
regular dad, regular job, work hard, head down, relate to people, like people.
very communicative. You don't get the ego. You just don't with Burrow. I talk to him every week.
You don't get any ego. He's just as normal and relatable and decent as you're going to get.
It's pretty cool. Like it's, you know, because you get, I could name names. You get a lot of egos.
A lot of these college kids comes out and they've been told how great they are.
None of that stuff from Burrell.
Can you think of the last quarterback, Colin, who went to college, couldn't make it to be the starter,
transferred, did nothing his first year, second year, historical greatness, and then becomes an early
legend in the NFL. His story is incredible.
Well, everybody's got a different path, and that's what's great about the NFL.
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A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying.
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