The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Boston is done

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

Colin wish Jayson Tatum a speedy recovery from the injury he suffered late vs the Knicks but points out Jalen Brunson and New York had the game firmly in control to take a commanding 3-1 lead. Thoughts on the Warriors being down 3-1 against the Timberwolves Colin also pushes back against the ridiculous narrative that the NBA Lottery is "fixed"See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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NFL schedule release. Coach K. Mike Shashefsky stopped by. in an hour from now, stopped by. Wild night. Like so many different storylines, just a completely wild night in the NBA. Yeah, you could say that, Colin. Conspiracy theorists running wild.

It's a great night day to be a conspiracy theorist. Well, several minutes before that awful injury to Jason Tatum, several minutes before you could see it, I could see it. I think people in Boston could see it. The Knicks are going to win this series. They're the better team. They're better coached. They're more relentless.

The home crowd clearly elevates this team. They're dominating the boards. Their bigs are playing better. They're passing better, less standing around, better decision-making, more points in the paint. Tibbs took the Celtics head coach Joe Missoula to the cleaners. The Celtics in the second half, it was ISO stand-around basketball. Coach, pull some levers, do something. What happened to Peyton Pritchard?

Isn't he good? Why do he only play 20 minutes? It was just hard to watch. Missoula coaches like he's got a checklist. That's not. That's not what NBA playoff basketball is about. It's about pulling levers. You can see Steve Kerr do it, though he's outmanned.

You really see a Chris Finch doing it for years, Eric Spolstra. Joe Missoula has got like one club in his bag. When the three-point shots don't fall, he's out of luck. But this series really has not been about the Celtics. It's been about New York. If you didn't know better, and you just turned into that thing last night, you would think the world champion New York Knicks were defending their title. Their ability to execute in crunch time.

Everybody's touching the ball. The shot making from Kat, Brunson, OG, bridges, the toughness, coming back multiple games, of them from 20 points down. Their leader Jalen Brunson, let's just be honest, he is like the new Jerry West. He is Mr. Clutch. Tatum played great before the injury. It was a great game. But in terms of Clutch, is there any small player in this league? You trust more with the ball than Jalen Brunson. I'm including Steph. I know he's undersized. I know he's a second rounder. I know he's not a premier athlete. But man, he finds good shots. He has been, and I've said this for the last two years, the best quarterback New York has. His decision-making, you can tell he's a smart guy that went to

Bill and Nova, dad played in the league, fearless player, totally trustworthy. But again, it's not just that New York's winning. It's how they're winning. New York is making Boston look fragmented, disorganized, poorly coached, confused, and passive. If you'd never watch basketball and you'd tune into that game and I said, find the champion, it looks like the Knicks. They've got a swagger, a confidence, shot making, an attitude, even before the Tatum injury, which was obviously awful, and he, we're not going to speculate, but that looked really bad. we'll find out more today, an MRI. New York, it's only 3 to 1 Knicks. It felt like it was over five minutes before the Tatum injury.

The confidence, the shot making. I'm sitting here watching everybody on that team, dependent on nobody, great ball movement. Josh Hart didn't need a bunch of points. He touched it, get it to somebody who's hot. Here's Brunson after. I think it was a sense of urgency, desperation

just knowing that we have a great opportunity and we're playing a really good team and I don't even think we're playing our best basketball yet we have a team who's fairly new this year and we still have a long way to go to be the best thing we can be it is these windows close fast I was talking to a friend last night

in a podcast and I said remember when the Seahawks were great and then they won a Super Bowl, blew out Peyton Manning, they go to another one, should win it. Russell Wilson throws a pick. People thought Marshawn Lynch should have gotten the handoff. They lose close to Brady and the Patriots. It screws with the culture in the locker room.

There's doubt, there's finger pointing. Never the same franchise. Good, but never great again. And with Boston, the injury, $500 million bankroll needed new owners. They're getting old. What happened to Porzingis? I don't know.

I know the West has better teams, younger teams, but when I watch the Knicks, all year long, I've thought, you know, they've got to solve this. They need another shot maker. I'm watching this series, and I'm like, maybe they need a tweak, a more dependable big, but I don't think they need much, at least to win the East. All right, let's talk Golden State. Golden State's in trouble, not just this year. but for the foreseeable future. They brought in Jimmy Butler, as we talked about yesterday, to squeeze every last bit of juice out of Steph. And Steve Kerr, again, excellent coach.

But just like the Lakers series, where old LeBron, Luca and Austin Reeves, kind of felt outmaned that Minnesota was getting more out of more players. I'm watching the Timberwolves. That's the opposite of the Celtics. That team doesn't have as, This team doesn't have as much talent.

They're pulling every lever. I mean, Julius Randall, he's a legitimate, too. He was never a good playoff guy. He's been excellent, 31 last night, 52% from the field. His assist playmaking has been fantastic. He's finally a dependable playoff guy. Aunt Edwards, unrefined at times. Anybody notice in the series?

He averages seven points in the first half, 20 in the second. Something the staff is doing, and tweaking is change. changing the way he plays in every game in the second half. It's remarkable. This is an odd, disparate roster full of guys that shouldn't fit. Seven foot one, Rudy Gobert, who can't really shoot. Undrafted Nas Reid, who's a good athlete, but what else? Julius Randall, who's a tweener, and an emerging superstar who sometimes can't find his shot.

It's just a bunch of guys who we've never trusted in the playoffs. And now for the second straight year, we do. I mean, LeBron, Luca, and Austin Reeves look completely outclassed. A little bit of Steph, Butler, and Draymond, similarly. It doesn't feel like they're close. And this was the clear value of coaching on display. You look at this Minnesota roster. You could argue there's five or six better rosters, Cleveland's roster is better.

I mean, OKCs is obviously better. I could argue Golden State when Steph is healthy as close. But it's, it's, they have transparent. all these different pieces that shouldn't necessarily fit. Julius Randall didn't really fit early in the season. Now at the end of the season, what a great dependable number two. We've never said that about Julius Randall. And it was a halftime speech by a newly formed leader, Aunt Edwards, that changed the game.

I told him, we only got two wins. I've never seen a series and two one. So I told him, you know, we got to get two more wins. And right now we're playing like we already got four wins. Like we're playing like they're going to lay down. And knowing his team, knowing their head coach, they're never going to lay down. So we had to figure it out, man, because if we would have kept playing like that, we would have lost tonight. So during the dynasty and the great run by Steve Kerr, he has always been known.

The Warriors have had some of the great third quarters ever. A little tweak. Add this. Subtract that. change that, tweak that. The Warriors would take close games and come out with an 18 to 4 run and end it. That's what Minnesota has been doing, especially Aunt Edwards. He is a totally different player.

First couple of games in this series, shots didn't fall, couldn't get the close ones to go either. He's been in this series transformed. That is, along with Ant, Randall, Gobert, Nas Reid, and the rest, that is coaching on display. So, JMAQ, listen, I don't care what people say about market size. The defending champs are in big trouble. Minnesota is going to beat the most popular player, Steph Curry. Lakers have already been extinguished. OKC's a small market.

But nonetheless, Americans are absolutely sure the lottery was rigged. Well, Colin. First of all, I don't know that the Timberwolves are beating Steph Curry since he's barely played in the series. They're beating a Warriors team, which doesn't look like, I mean, anything resembling a playoff team without Curry. It is amazing how far they've fallen without a superstar. Yeah, I mean, it's, I think Boston will show up the next game without Tatum. Yes. The Warriors can't do anything without Curry. Yeah, I mean, he is their GPS. They are kind of a directionless offense. He's the, you know, we've said this. There are certain players, LeBron in his prime and

Steph Curry, where they're kind of the ecosystem. Like, the offense goes. He's the, you know, we've said, goes through them. It looks different. The pacing's different. The ball movements. That's why Cominga is flourishing without Steph, and then the offense totally changes with Steph, and he just looks lost. So there are, the good news for Golden State is they're going to be able to move comminga, who looks like a 20-pointed game guy against a very good defensive team. So Caminga, his value shot up, that's the only thing if you're the Warriors, because I don't think Curry's going to play. He acknowledged yesterday as what's the point of risking it. Hamstring, as you've noted, is a rest injury. But Kaminga's play has created a market.

It has, I just, the whole, the way the draft went down last night, the draft lottery, this Yannis stuff is going absolutely volcanic. There's so many teams potentially involved, plus the Tatum injury, Colin. I had thought Boston could be a landing spot for Yannis. I don't know if that's the case anymore due to this injury to Tatum. He's going to be out until at least the All-Star break, possibly longer. Next year stinks. Well, we'll talk that draft lottery. In an unpredictable world, nothing matters more than the safety of your loved ones.

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Yeah, I've got video of Dallas's draft room last night, draft lottery room. You're going to get 12 guys to act like this for 30 seconds? There aren't this many good actors in Hollywood that would do that. Did they rig it for cruddy Atlanta last year that was also a playing team like the Mavs? Did they rig it for the New York Islanders? Like the Mavericks had a very small percentage to win. Yeah, it's fixed. It is fixed.

Fixed so that the worst tanking teams don't win the lottery. Yes, it is fixed. Essentially the draft lottery now is like the local raffle at your tavern. where you got 15, 20 people, it's a raffle, and sometimes the same guy wins two out of four raffles. That's the way it is. By the way, when Zion Williamson, out of huge brand Duke, a dunking machine was available,

and the Knicks had the number one pick, yeah, they fixed it, so the Pelicans would get it. Or Atlanta last year. By the way, if you're going to fix it, give Chicago or Philadelphia a Cooper flag, not football crazy Dallas. The NBA has flagged.

flattened the lottery odds, essentially a raffle, a scratch-off ticket. What's that mean? No team with the worst record has won it since they did it. The NBA changed the rules to create this. Do you really think Wemby? They would say, let's say, where can we put Wemby? Let's put them in San Antonio. Yeah, the last time San Antonio had a dynasty, it killed the TV ratings for a decade.

You would not pick San Antonio. Believe me. In fact, some of you aren't very good at math. The three teams with the best odds to win last night, the odds were 14%. That's a raffle. Those are the best odds. If you add the three teams with the best odds together,

it still doesn't reach 50%. And what's happened in the last several years, the best odds has finished fifth, and that happened again last night, Utah. It is a raffle. They flatten the odds. You would not have put wins. in San Antonio.

He would not have put Zion with the Pelicans. A Pelicans have won this thing multiple times. Well, LeBron left and they gave Cleveland Andrew Wiggins. It doesn't matter if LeBron's coming or going. Nobody in any league office is rooting for Cleveland to get the best players.

So it's just like this is the way it worked. This is what the NBA wanted. The NBA wanted what you're seeing. With the CBA, there are no more dynasties. That's what Adam Silver wanted. And with this. I mean, the crazy thing, San Antonio almost won, which is nuts, but it should be noted, they also draft and develop well. So for the third year in a row, the team of the worst actual

record did not win this thing. And I think Cooper Flagg in Dallas is great. I think he's exactly what they needed, but he's also exactly what every team in the league. The Lakers could use him. The Knicks are a good team. They could use him. He's Jason Tatum. That's what he is. He's Jason Tatum. And he's got 12, 13 years, potentially a prime coming into the league.

So just, listen, I understand. Nobody trusts institutions. I get it. It's happening all over the land. Right? It's FBI, CIA, vaccines. Everybody on the Internet's an expert. That's fine.

It doesn't bother me. I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise. I'm just telling you what I see, which is the NBA, Adam Silver said, you know, know what? I'm going to be friendlier to the players than David Stern. I'm going to get out of the dynasty business. And we're going to flatten these odds because tanking is really bad. Tanking is really bad for the NBA for a lot of reasons. One of the reasons it's really bad is March college basketball is super competitive with the tournament and March is the time in the NBA that teams tank. So you watch a college game with all that energy and then turn to an NBA

game and it's like, you know, the wizard's tanking and Adam Silver is like, this is a bad six week look for our league. So they got $76 billion for 11 years. Now, whether NBC can make that work, financially, that's up to NBC. But if you want to believe tanking and rig, go for it. I'm just saying Wemby wouldn't have been picked in San Antonio and Zion wouldn't go to the Pelicans because the Knicks had the number one pick. By the way, Utah, this is what keeps happening. Best odds, only 14%. Once again, best odds. get the fifth pick. That's how raffles work. I've had raffles. I've never won a raffle. I've bought 30 tickets to a raffle with 12 people. I've never want to raffle. I have been at raffles,

had a hundred bucks in my pocket and bought tickets for the whole family and not want a raffle. I don't think it's rigged. I think that's how scratch-off games and raffles work. J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the... Terrible. Going to the NBA draft lottery, I would be a terrible guy to put up there. I've never won a thing on a scratch-off.

Every time I buy a lottery ticket, I already buy the jet skis. I already know I'm going to win. I don't think I've won a nickel ever. I didn't see you as a raffle ticket guy. Every time they come around, I'm like, no, thanks, I'm good. Can I just 10 second spiel? So LeBron in 2010 ditches the calves for the heat. Guess who gets a year later, the number one pick?

the Cleveland Cavaliers and they draft Kyrie Irving as superstar point guard. Anthony Davis forces his way. Let me stop you there. Okay. Kyrie Irving played eight games at due. Yep, yep. And, you know, there was talk within the program. He was talented, but small and couldn't stay healthy. All fast.

So the idea that he was going to become the great 10-year left-right-handed finisher, Kyrie Irving was a speculative eight college games, bit of a toad, couldn't stay healthy. So this idea they, oh, they knew. No, no, no. People knew Carmelow and LeBron would be great. Wembe would be great. There have been a lot. Kyrie Irving, I would argue, his first three years in Cleveland. A lot of people thought he was a bust. Well, yeah.

So let's stop with the LeBron left, and we gave you the magic Kyrie Irving. So that was just one. Then Anthony Davis forces his way out of New Orleans to the Lakers. Get me there. Guess who wins the draft lottery the next year? The Pelicans get Zion Williamson. Okay, so let's just guess. You really think the NFL, if the NFL, if they, NFL,

NBA would ever pick a Charlotte or a New Orleans to win. Why, you would always go New York, Philly, Boston, Chicago, like last night, first team off the board, Chicago. And I'm like, I mean, you would want, I mean, Chicago leads the NBA in attendance virtually every year for 20 years, even since Michael left. And they've had bad teams. And many speculate they're not well-run. Would you not put Cooper flag from Duke to Chicago? I was hoping for Chicago or something. They didn't even get close. They were like 12. But those two, the last 15 years compounded by Luca forgetting going to the Lakers day Dallas will hook you up we'll get you Cooper flag and I know that sounds crazy but three in the last I'm not saying it's

okay let me ask you this three in the last 15 years we live next to Hollywood I'm I'm I'm part of a group of people uh that is writing a script not a writing a script but part of a script I'm on television so I could probably you could probably put me on something and I could act a little bit. Show the video again of 15 men in Dallas acting in a room. Yeah. Now, I've had a one or two of these moments in life. You're going to get 15 dudes. Look at these guys. These guys are going nuts. Well, I mean, the theory would be only one guy knew, and that's Nico Harrison what was going on. But again, I know people are listening to this and J. Mack, you're crazy. It is a weird coincidence that teams lose a major star and then get handed the number one pick the next year.

But again, I'll tell you a weird coincidence. I went walking, lost my car keys a month ago, told this story. Yeah, yeah. I walked back, and there was one person sitting in the park. I walked up and said, have you seen any keys? And she said, oh, yeah, they're right here. I picked them up an hour ago. That's a coincidence.

It's not a coincidence. I mean, I literally was like, what are the chances in L.A.? In L.A. Of the lady sitting at the park having my keys. that's zany and that wasn't fixed either that wasn't rigged either it's just stuff happened as someone who went to japan if that happened in japan your key would have been sitting there nobody would have picked it up because they don't do that so anyways let's get to the uh the news the NFL announces the schedule tomorrow but some games are starting to leak boy fox got hooked up Colin week 16

Saturday December 20th we get Eagles commanders rematch of the NFC championship and packers bears a tremendous rivalry now playing for a wild card spot That Packer Bear game is going to be lit. Oh, both those games are going to be phenomenal. There are some college football fans who are angry that it goes head to head with the college football playoffs. You know, hey, listen, it happens. Saturday in December. Don't go Christmas shopping in December.

Okay, everybody's freaking out. Media stop. We have a college football playoff. The NFL puts games everywhere. You're going to get days where you've got to make choices. Sorry, but the world of sports isn't going above. And Dayton, Ohio, you can't put two games on at the same time. We knew going into the college football playoff, this would happen for the record.

Then you put the holidays that in the NBA inserts games in. There are going to be days in December going forward because of the expanded college football playoff. This is our new reality. Let me tell you, the best problem to have is a guy that loves sports is having to get a second TV to watch the Buckeyes on one and the Packers on another. If that's our biggest problem, we're all better for. We're in good shape.

Also, do you have a remote control? Does it work? I can get you batteries for Christmas early if you'd like. Like, it's not that big of a deal. More sports. What's wrong with that? Come on, how good do we have it? Don't we all love the Red Zone?

There's 10 games on at once. Who cares? By the way, I put this in my phone. This sat Saturday, December 20th. Do not schedule anything. So the wife can't be like, hey, we're going to see Christmas. Like, no, no, I've got the calendar that night. We got football and we got college and NFL.

Like, I'm not doing it. I highly recommend dudes get on your calendar, beat the wife to it. Next up, oh boy. Oh, Aaron Rogers, Colin. I know we're getting sick of him, but however, Steelers Insiders, two gentlemen named Tom Filiponi and Chris Mueller, who cover the team deeply, are saying there's a big Steelers announcement coming today, and the belief is that the Steelers will be signing Aaron Rogers.

Now, the schedule is done, right? They're not making any tweaks. So maybe the Steelers know, hey, we got the schedule. Let's go grab Rogers. why he may not sign today? Because in typical Aaron fashion, if he goes online, which he's on a lot, and reads that people are suggesting he'll sign today, he won't do it as a matter of principle. Just a middle thing. He'll do it in the next week, if he's going to do it, on a day, people are forgetting about it. Like, I can see him doing it just to stick it to the NFL. The exact hour

of the schedule will be tomorrow. No, he would not do it. I... comment no way. Aaron is much more calculated. He and LeBron are very calculated. Doesn't make them bad people, but they, they make things look like it's nobody can control me. Nobody's got any information. They're on the internet all day making sure you do. Insufferable. I would just say, Aaron, can you wait till next week? There's no draft lottery. There's no schedule release next week a little slower than this week. Just wait. Don't do it today. A lot of stuff going on. Final story, Colin, is to the NBA. And this is going to be an issue. Janice, he has come out and said, I guess he went on his brother's podcast a couple weeks ago,

said he's open to the idea of moving. There's a report from another network saying he wants to play with another star player. The Knicks fans are saying, hey, we'll see how this goes. We could get an MX for him. Dwight Howard is trying to engagement for him and say that, hey, Janice, I can give you some advice. Now, the interesting angle here is trickling out of Houston, Colin. the Rockets want Janus, they are not interested, reportedly, in Kevin Durant, Zion Williamson, or Devin Booker.

That to me is fascinating. They're putting it out, we don't want these guys. We want Janice. I think Houston has to be the clubhouse leader, although the Spurs become interesting with that second pick. Yeah, I think Katie and Booker would both fit very well in Houston, but that's their call. Listen, if you get Janus, my guess is you'll have to give up,

either a men Thompson and Houston says we won't or Shen Gune, which, you know, you would get a 20 point a game. He's only like 22 years old. Yeah, he's super good. He'll end up being a 24, 25 a game center. And by the way, moving into his prime for the next eight years. So I think Milwaukee would say we're getting, we're not getting Janus, but we're getting eight years of big guy. He's a guy. He's a good finesse player.

He can pass. He can score. He can shoot. He's got a feathery touch. So I think he would have to be, at least Houston's got the stuff to pull it off. picks and players. Yeah, and Houston has said we're not giving up Amman Thompson. That I totally agree with.

He is a dog. I would not let anybody touch him. To the Janus, I want to play with another star player. Amman Thompson's not a star. Janus 31, I believe. If you give up Shengoon, Jalen Green, and three picks. Amend Thompson's an all-star next year. Next year.

Oh, I think he's going to say two years. Well, okay, but I mean, he's an all-star level player. Yeah, and I don't want to hear the fans at Dells in Milwaukee say, We don't want Jalen Green and Shingoon. Listen, Brooke Lopez is moving on. He's 37 free agent. They're looking to cut costs. And I think Shangoon is, he's an all-star in the east.

Well, he was 22 an all-star. So you could say if he plays to 32, he'll make seven, eight more all-star games. Now, Wemby's going to start, Wembe's going to start making some and Holmgren's going to start making some. Joel Embedge's on his way out. I'm just trying to come up with it a way for the Lakers to get in the Yonis who takes. You know, everybody's talking about KD. KD to wear. Lakers?

Well, they're just talking about KD moving. What about Booker? Booker's younger. He's a basket. Is he a better version of Jamal Murray? He was a homegrown guy. They love him in Phoenix. KD. He's just an assassin, a hired gun. I don't think they would, I don't think they love KD the way they love book, you know? All right. That's fair.

J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. So, we're not going to speculate on Jason Tatum. was having a great playoff game, totally aggressive. But I do think watching that game last night, Boston needs to look in the mirror here. I don't know what's happening with Porzingis, but the mystery illness, the injuries, the inconsistency.

Kat's got his issues, so does Robinson for the Knicks, but they feel like they're more substantial. You've got to look in the mirror on Joe Missoula. I thought he got worked. Al Horford's old, Drew Holiday is aged very quickly. and the teams out west and Indiana out east are all getting better and the Knicks are for real. And this team is strapped financially. Even if they just signed their first round pick, the Celtics are strapped financially. And my guess is Tatum's not playing at best until the All-Star game.

So this reminds me, and it's one of the things about pro sports we talk about all the time, is that this team reminds me of Denver. So they had Yokic, they had Jamal Murray, they had a bunch of good players and one great player, and Denver won the title, and I can remember saying, boy, they could be San Antonio. They got their Dunkin. And then all of a sudden they had to move off some bench guys and rotational guys, and you look up and you're like, Denver's surrounded by a bunch of good young teams

and Wemby and SGA and Denver's just going to get one, which is fine. getting one is it's more than the niners have done it's more than baltimore and the bills have done in the NFL getting one trophy's hard but um they've got a boston's it's interesting new york's for real indiana's got an excellent roster and may beat if they get through it beat new york okay c houston uh san antonio are going nowhere um i mean the good news i guess for boston is yonis uh is going west but I would say Milwaukee is going to load up on young players. I think Boston's got a Boston issue, is that I think like Denver, we looked at them,

and we thought, okay, this thing's going to last. Then the owner, always be careful when the owner sells. What do they see? The owner sells. Now, Tatum's hurt. Porzingis Drew Holiday age very quickly, and I think Joe Missoula felt like last night, he really felt second, third tier.

Like, he's kind of one golf club in the bad coach. So Adam Silver, he didn't want dynasties, and, you know, Boston's an example. They are up against it. Their payrolls, 500 million, they got to move off pieces. Here was Joe Missoula on, and just add this in, it's awful, that devastating Jason Tatum injury. I mean, you obviously always concerned about someone's health, so, you know, it's twofold. We're concerned about his health where he's at, and then we're concerned about what we have to do better. for game five. We'll get back to Boston.

Yeah, he was playing a great basketball game. He was really aggressive. Between Brunson and Jason Tatum, you were getting, I was sitting there watching and I'm like, boy, this is an all-time NBA playoff game. This is all-time stuff. The New York crowd is fantastic.

Indiana and New York crowds are nuts. They are, Jeff. The Eastern Conference doesn't have as good to players or teams. The fans are nuts in Indiana and New York. and it was one of those games where you really felt the crowd was elevating the team, but Tatum, because Pritcher wasn't playing much, Tatum was really carrying that team. They were just doing ISOs.

And when he got a little cold, suddenly, boom, next lead by nine shot making. So I think, my guess is I look at Boston going forward, cross your fingers on Tatum, but will they become Milwaukee, Denver, Toronto Raptors, where you think there's more, you look up, and it's like we're a one-time championship team. And here my other takeaway in this is I thought all year, New York's got to take a big swing.

If this is how the NBA is going to allow games to be officiated, physical teams that D-Up and make shots late win, New York does not need a big swing. They may need a tweak. I don't trust Robinson at the line or Kat's defense. They may need a big guy tweak. Bridge has been great, though. Brunson's a number one. O.G. has been amazing. Josh Hart, excellent team player, and Tibbs is having a great series for New York.

So I think it's more of a tweak for New York. You know, this Knicks' front office for the last three years has been so patient. And all of us in the media keeps saying, get Yonis and get KD. And for years they would. But this New York Knicks front office is patient and smart and kind of tunes out the press and the media smartly. and they are a I mean it's you can't watch that game last night and not

I mean I found myself rooting for the Knicks in this series you can't not root for a team that plays this hard and makes these kind of shots I mean it's very rare when a New York team is a lovable underdog and they are they're one of the great watches in the league it's a combination of Villanova

NBA guts, guise, toughness coaching it's hard to turn off by the way are you surprised the Celtics kept leaving 38 year old Al Horford on an island against Brunson? Throw a double at it. I was stunned. And Brunson's just cooking and left and right. He had an

amazing. I just, their offense, they just started standing around. It's like listen, that's when you call a time out. You've got to call a time out, engineer a play, get a basket. Because that New York crowd, did you notice? I mean, it was like, it felt like almost have you ever go to a boxing

match and there's a home fighter where obviously, it's in Panama, it's a Panaman, it's a Panamanian fighter, and you can tell the crowd is elevating the boxer. I mean, it was like, when you go to New York and this crowd, and they go on like a 6-0 run, time out, call a play, get a bucket. Because that crowd was jet fuel for the Knicks. By the way, did you see who's leading the Celtics in points, rebounds, assists, and steals in the series? I wasn't sure if you saw that.

No. It's Jason Tatum. No, he played great last night. He played great. Is that great series? Ah, interesting. He's had a good series. He had a great night, a good series, a great night.

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I love Miles Garrett, Kevin's to fans. They're not going to be very good. but it's going to be fascinating to watch them because essentially they drafted a much more talented Tim Tebow. They have Shadoor Sanders, and he's going to be the talk. So according to the athletics, Zach Jackson, he joined something called the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show,

and he said, in just throwing the ball, it's not close. Shadur Sanders, it's not close. He is much better than Dylan Gabriel. Yes, he is. He's much bigger and much better. I don't know how Shadur Sanders is going to be as a pro. So much of this is where you land.

I do like Stefansky a lot. But Shadour is 6-2, historically accurate, and I have seen him standing around like people like me, normal-sized people. He's big. He's a big 6-2. You know, Mahomes is 6-1-5. You never question. Mahomes has big hands, big shoulders, a butt.

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Cade Cunningham, we talked about earlier with Detroit. Cade Cunningham is what a pro athlete looks like. I'm going to show you a picture of Pro Day at Oregon. Bo Nix, Justin Herbert, and Dylan Gabriel. Take a look at the picture. Sorry, radio audience. Okay. Dylan Gabriel is noticeably smaller and thinner than Bo Nix,

and Bo Nix is not ideal size in the NFL. Justin Herbert is your ideal NFL-sized quarterback. 6-5, wide shoulders, big head, big hands, legs. And again, this is not to pick on Dylan Gabriel. I think he was, everybody's talking about. about Shador being underdrafted. I thought Dylan Gabriel was overdrafted. To me, he's like a six or a seventh round pick. I think he is a backup to a backup in the NFL. He is a very, very small guy. And he's also a 5-11 pocket guy. So the guys in the NFL that can still win games in the

pocket are 6-3, Matt Stafford, 6-4, Jared Goff, 6-6-6-0, Joe Flacco, Eli was 6-5, Peyton was 6, 5 and a half or whatever he was. Brady is much taller than me, and I'm 6.1.5, 6.2. So it's, yes, this is not somebody pulling for Shadoor Sanders. Shadour Sanders is a good prospect. Kenny Pickett got drafted in the first round. Shindor Sanders, a much better quarterback than Kenny Pickett, in my opinion. Much better prospect.

Dylan Gabriel had a great coach, a great offensive line, and a great run game. And yet, Shadur Sanders ran for more rushing first. sounds, mostly running for his life. And we don't consider him a mobile quarterback. And I've been saying this, Shadur is plenty, plenty mobile enough. And I like all the answers so far what I've heard from Shadur. Of course, it's day by day. I just find something I want to perfect and just perfect it to the best of my abilities. And that's all I really focus on. Just being there, just Being a leader, being a great teammate, doing what I need to do whenever it is. So I'm just thankful for an opportunity.

Things could have been a lot worse, but I'm here smiling in front of you all at this facility right now. My job here isn't to prove people wrong. I prove myself right. That's, that's, and I fully have self-belief, you know, and what, with those people say, that's just their opinions. Okay, so again, no idea if it works. but when Shadur and Dylan Gabriel and I wouldn't mind seeing

a few snippets of Dylan Gabriel video over the next several months and this is why Shadur got drafted later if you didn't see him as a starter people didn't want the Tebow noise we saw it in New York it's a mess Velacek moved off Cam, Kaepernick those guys are starters or you don't

want them in the room there's too much but Shadour is a decent prospect he may not be a great prospect Cam Ward was clearly the best prospect Shudor is pretty good I want to go back to the, I'm not even going to argue that the NBA lottery is rigged. Whatever you want, I don't care. I think it's kind of funny.

You do whatever you want to do. But I think there's been some talk about, you know, would Dallas get a Janus like they need more size? Would Dallas move the number one pick? Listen, what Cooper flag is is hope. When they traded Luca away, they lost hope. I still contend if Kyrie, Anthony Davis, and the Mavericks were healthy after the Luca trade, they would have been a dangerous playoff team like Minnesota level dangerous. But everybody got hurt and it to mass and whatever.

But the NFL's always done a great job. Where of the 32 teams, you always feel like about 27 enter the year with a chance to do something, maybe be a wild card team. It's a league of hope. In baseball, we know there's about 8 to 10 teams that cannot compete financially. We know that. most of them in American or National League Central. They just can't stack up.

We know in the NBA there's 8 to 10 or more teams that are hard to watch and years away. Because the draft in the NBA gives you a 17, 18-year-old. They're years from being able to get into the hotel bar. In the NFL, it's the League of Hope. You're drafting 23-year-olds. If you get the right quarterback with four years of college experience and the right coach, boom. You can be Houston playoff team overnight. You can be a laughing stock, Washington to the NFC championship.

coach, coordinator, quarterback, you don't even need a great roster. But I do think Cooper Flag is a domestic product, and in 18 to 20 point, a game guy very early in his career, he creates hope in Dallas. And Dallas, a lot of it was overstated. They were going to be fine if Kyrie Irving didn't get her. Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving, and all these big guys, they were going to be a playoff team next year, even in the West. Cooper Flagg, though, you can kind of plant that flag in, hey, we can compete now very quickly. So what is interesting is how, here's what I've noticed in the last 36 hours.

I'm told Janice is going west. Dallas now got Cooper flag. San Antonio got the number two pick. Oklahoma City's got a war chest of picks. Houston's going to make multiple moves. And the Lakers, you know they're going to be aggressive. That's why I said about the New York Knicks. Hey, listen, Boston's got to make some moves here.

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