The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Brady, Wilson, Packers

Episode Date: September 15, 2022

Colin gives his reasons why Tom Brady should retire after this season The big difference for Russell Wilson moving from the Seahawks to the Broncos Packers HC Matt LaFleur isn't a great coach   Guest: Albert BreerSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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But it's like a major story. Apparently they're living apart now, which I don't know. It would be very hard for me to function at my work if I was living apart from my wife. Maybe Tom can compartmentalize. But People Magazine says like it's been really bad. And they had a quote today. And I don't read People Magazine. That's the one at the grocery store, the glossy, all the Hollywood stuff,

that Giselle's very pro and con person. She sees there's no pros to Tom playing. He's the goat. Nothing left to prove. he could be going out on top and playing until the wheels fall off doesn't seem to be the way to go. A new report also says Brady knows he needs to retire after this year if he wants to stay married. And that's why he took the 11 days off to show his family, I'm here, I'm present, I'm engaged. So it's a really, to me, this is very cut and dried.

Tom has to retire after the season. There's no hands ifs or but, right? This isn't difficult because Giselle was much. richer than Tom and much more successful than Tom when they met. She had a global brand. He did not. She was worth $300 million. He was not.

She's from Brazil. She didn't care about football. She totally sacrificed an amazing career and said, Tom, I'm here for you. You didn't care about football. And now she wants to do some like environmental activism. And Brady probably doesn't care about that either. But that's the deal when you marry rich, successful people. that's why Hollywood has an alarmingly high i guess it's not alarming it's just the reality a really

high divorce rate people can't share you know somebody's ego gets hurt somebody's career is booming somebody else isn't and it just doesn't work out if you look at the Hollywood couples that have succeeded it's often the woman the successful woman the talented woman the beautiful woman the amazing woman, the brilliant woman, takes a backseat. Well, sometimes maybe the guy should. This is cut and dried to me. He made a documentary called Tom versus Time. It seems to me it should be renamed Tom. It's time. It's over. It's a cut and dried. She's like, hey, I have a global brand. I mean, LeBron, by the way, and Brady are very similar. Tom's not the best quarterback in the league. LeBron's not the best player. But on any given

Sunday or any given night, LeBron's still an elite score, passer. He's great. He's great leader. They're very, very similar. They're playing much longer. They're much better, much longer in their careers. But the difference is LeBron's wife didn't have a global brand. Right? And that's the thing. That's when you marry somebody that is substantially successful without you and before you,

that's kind of the deal. We'll ride this for a while and then it'll be your turn. 45 years old, it's her turn. And now the hardest part, of course, is that Brady really, believes and so to his people. I've been told this by people that, you know, deal with Tom a lot. He believes he could play into his 50s at this level. And as I said earlier this week, would the NFC so weak right now be different of Josh Allen, Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Joe Burrell, Lamar Jackson, every other Sunday you're facing an all pro. And they look younger and faster

and stronger. You look around. It's, well, it's Aaron Rogers. He's a flake. Matt Stafford, he's old. Jalen Hertz, who knows? Kyler Murray, cultural stuff there in Arizona. Like he looks around the NFC and thinks I can play the 50. I got a good GM. I have control. So I get the difficulty of it. He's 45 and he thinks he's got five more years and he didn't want to leave it on

the table. But the reality is that's kind of the deal. If you get into one of these like relationships with the rich and the powerful, you got to share. And like, Giselle Bunchen, what she'd been doing for the last 12 years? It seems to be. me, gave up all the magazine covers. She was richer than Tom. She's from Brazil. She didn't care about football. I don't think it's that difficult decision. I think it's an easy one. I think it's

cut and dried. They're living apart, according to one story. That's not good. And they're living apart because he made a promise. The other part of this story that's amazing, according to People magazine, he unretired and didn't tell her. What? What? Honey, I'm moving my business to Florida. I've already decided it. We can't talk over a glass of wine. I've made my decision. That is a no-no. As far as I can tell in marriage, to go to somebody else make a major family-altering decision and not include her in the discussion. According to People Magazine, I don't know. It's People Magazine. I don't read it. But according to the story this morning, they printed it. He unretired and he made that decision himself. Okay. That's why they're living

apart. By the way, that is exactly why they're living apart. So seems pretty easy to me. All right. So the Russell Wilson story is really interesting. So Russell Wilson played really well. The Broncos fumbled twice at the one yard line or Denver wins the game. Denver's the better team. They'll have a better record. They'll win more games. We all know that. But it's in Seattle. You're going back. You're getting booed. You can't hear first game with the rookie head. coach and, you know, they kind of butcher the end of the game. They should have just given it to Russell Wilson. He makes the five yards instead of trying to kick a basically unmakeable 64-yard field goal at sea level. So Russell Wilson came out yesterday and talked about the situation.

I was at the line of scrimmage ready to go too. You know, I was calling a play and we were ready to go. But, you know, that's what we decided and we went with it, you know, and we missed by, I don't know, yard, maybe, maybe half a yard. Anytime you get the chance, chance to try to win the game and solidify it and try to make a play. You know, I always believe in having the ball and everything else. But also, we got a great kicker. We're going to believe in our kicker again. So basically, Russell Wilson deferred to a rookie head coach.

And people are on him for that. So we know that Peyton Manning and John Elway, when they were in Denver, it was their team day one. And they acted like it. They knew it. They had the ego and confidence for it. but Elway and Peyton Manning were high school and college prodigies. Elway was the number one high school quarterback, the number one college quarterback.

Peyton Manning was the number one high school quarterback. Came out as a number one pick. When you've been told you're the man since you're 16, 17, you feel like you're the man. Right? Russell Wilson has not lived that life. In Seattle, there was a deference to Pete Carroll, Marshawn Lynch, Legion of Boom, third round pick. Russell Wilson's entire life, he's been told he's too small.

He runs too much. Defense will win the game. Hand the ball off, Russ. I mean, it became something when we talked about for about a year. Let Russ Cook. Like it became a campaign in Seattle. Hey, let this really good guy, let him kind of lead the team. And there was pushback on it.

Well, I mean, let Russ cook. It's about the defense in Pete Carroll, which, by the way, went into the tank his last four years there. So you think to yourself, well, he's got a rookie head coach. I don't think it's as easy as a one-day pivot. I mean, think about Aaron Rogers, how his personality has morphed and changed over the last 10 years. I mean, Aaron Rogers is a much more confident quarterback than 10 years ago. He's got a stronger point of view. It's been a 10-year process.

Aaron wasn't this outspoken 10 years ago. Think about Tom Brady. For 20 years winning Super Bowl after Super Bowl after Super Bowl, he deferred to Bill Belichick. Then he went to Tampa. It was a whole different ballgame. But Russell Wilson's whole life has been deferring. In college, after three great years at NC State,

he was replaced by Mike Lennon. Coat said, no, I like this guy. And he goes to Wisconsin, has the best year in the history of Wisconsin football for a quarterback. In fact, nobody drafts them in the first two rounds. He gets drafted in middle, late, third round. And the minute he gets there, he's told you win with defense, you win with Marshawn Lynch, you win with Pete Carroll, you win with the 12th man.

Come on, this is not your team. And now everybody wants him to go to Denver and in one game completely pivot. He doesn't have the childhood. He doesn't have the legacy, the career of Peyton Manning or John Elway. When you grow up being told you're the man, you have a different sensibility than you do being told you're too small, handoff, defer. So I think he'll get it, but it's not easy. Now, a lot of you were saying, Colin, you've always been a Russell Wilson fan, and he deserves some criticism. And Nick Wright was on our show yesterday, and I do think he made an interesting point.

If you have been great at something for 10 years, in fact, let's use Colin Coward as an example. Colin Coward doing this radio show on a different network, television show on a different network for a decade, comes over to FS1. And the person running your show, was a sharp up-and-coming segment producer. And if on the very first show, very first days, like, Colin, guess what? We're going to lead with hockey. You'd veto it.

You'd step in. Why didn't Russell Wilson know? After 10 years of being great late in games, to minute left, we have all three timeouts, we must go for it here. I'm using one immediately. He's allowed to do that. And why, when Hackett says we're kicking a field goal,

Did he not say, no, we're not? That's an insane idea. There has to be some accountability for your guy, Russell Wilson, for letting this happen. I didn't get to a fair point. I just think the pivot is harder than we think. He's not Peyton Manning in L.A. That's not his life. That is not his life.

He has been the defer to Pete, defer to run, handoff, too small, third round, replaced in college. He's always had this sort of, I've got to prove I'm the guy. I've got to be work harder. I've got to be more coachable. I mean, God, he gets mocked all over social media for being cringy and nerdy. And that's the world he's fighting. And so Elway doesn't get mocked. Peyton Manning is celebrated on the internet.

Peyton Manning's the funniest guy in the world on the internet. Russell Wilson is mocked. So I just think it's easy to say, it's hard to say pivot from this personality, this sensibility, this real life situation to that one. You are the man. Well, he is the man. They gave up picks. They gave him a lot of money.

He is the man. But when you're told you're not the man forever, it's hard to the next day believe first game rookie head coach. You're the man. A lot of different stories today. Boy, we got a great one tonight. Chargers, Chiefs, two of the top, three or four young quarterbacks in the game.

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and just saw a kid the other day. This is what he wants to do. And you give him a couple minutes, tell him what to do. You know, here's some advantages, disadvantages, do's don'ts. But it's one of the things I always tell young broadcasters is just use data and be honest. you'll become controversial. Like, I am going to present something to you which cannot be argued, but nobody's willing to say it. And the data doesn't lie. So I don't believe Matt LaFleur is a great coach.

I think he inherited a great roster, Aaron Rogers, Devante Adams, a very above average organization that drafts very well. And that we've just annoyeded him the next Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVeigh. And I don't think he's close. I don't think he's close to Andy Reed. I don't think he's close to Kyle Shanahan. So it's called coaching for a reason, right? Everybody needs to be coached.

Tom Brady got coached hard by Belichick. Peyton Manning got coached hard. Russell Wilson's been coached hard. But Aaron Rogers comes out after week one in which he basically ghosted young receivers after they made a mistake. He ghosted Christian Watson. He dropped the first long ball, didn't throw to him until three minutes left in the game. In fact, Lefleur had to get him involved in reverses to get him back in the game.

The kid's confidence is shot. And Aaron Rogers was asked about it, and he's not budging. I mean, I got to play the same way. I don't play the way I played in 2011. I got to play on time, and guys got to get open. So, no, I'm not going to change the way I play. We just have to realize who's out there who we're thrown to and how we're going to actually make some hay and score some points.

To me, this is where LaFleur steps in and coaches Aaron Hard. Like, you've got to kind of change it up. They're rookies from small colleges. But I'm not convinced Lefleur is a great coach. He's been given that. So who is the best coach, in my opinion, the best offensive coach in an offensive league in the NFC? I think the best offensive coach is Kyle Shanahan. LeFleur is two and three against him with a major quarterback advantage.

Should be one and four. But Aaron Rogers maybe made the throw of the decade late in that game to come from behind. Remember that throw? It's one of the best throws in the last 10 years in the league. Aaron's got a couple of them, one against the Cowboys years ago, up to the sideline that Jared Cook. Two and three against Shanahan. Okay, what about the only other team in his division that he plays twice a year that functions at a high level, Minnesota? Four and three, with a huge quarterback advantage, Aaron Rogers to Kurt Cousins.

Okay, what about the best quarterback he's faced in the NFC, not name Aaron Rogers, right? Like, Aaron's the best quarterback, right? All right, Brady. O and two, with a horrible, ugly road blow, out loss and an embarrassing home playoff loss with some coaching gaffes down the stretch. But Lafleur is 6 and 0 against the bears and 5 and 1 against the lions. And all the pom-pom waving fanboys go, look at his record. Yeah, it's against the garbage in his division.

He's 11 and 1. He's had too many bad games against Brady, against Shanahan, against Minnesota. And this past Sunday, they were awful. And yet, once again, what's happening. The lousy Chicago Bears will stumble into Lambo. It's a prime time game with a young quarterback still trying to figure the league out Justin Fields with one weapon and Green Bay is going to box their ears and everybody will go, Matt LaFourour! That guy is something. Losing record to Kyle Shanahan, about 500 against Minnesota, embarrassed by Brady twice.

His biggest win. This is with the... Aaron Rogers, a good front office. And a better than average, generally, this year's a little bit of an exception, but they've also had really good offensive lines, Aaron Jones. His big win as a coach is against the Rams, the playoff game against the Rams. Do you remember the game? Cooper Cup didn't play. Jared Goff had a broken thumb. They didn't want Goff to play. Gough didn't start the previous week. He came in in relief. So he had a quarterback with a bad broken thumb. Cooper Cup didn't play, who's the centerpiece of the offense.

And they won at home as a seven and a half point favorite. That's his big win with Aaron Rogers. So when Aaron says, I'm not going to change, I'm like, if Patrick Mahomes said, I'm not going to change, Andy Reid would say, you're going to change. When Mahomes every year has these three and four game stretches where he's mechanically off, Andy hard coaches him. Belichick hard coached Tom Brady. Legends with a lot more wins.

Right? Pete Carroll, a lot of times wouldn't let Russ Wilson do what he wanted to do. Here it's just, all right. Aaron's like, I'm not changing. Well, that's fine against the bears and the lions. It's not fine against Minnesota. It's not going to be fine against Tom Brady. It's not going to be fine against McVeigh this year.

It may not be fine against Philadelphia. But, you know, we, we, we, we annoy it's really hard to be great. I would argue in life in any business, it's hard to be really good. It doesn't matter if you're a lawyer, a nurse, a realtor, a mayor. It's hard to be really good. Let's not anoint Matt LaFloire into really good, Matt LaFleur, when he's 11 and 1 against the Bears and the Lions. And that'll be 12 and 1 Sunday because they'll go 7 and 0 against Chicago. They're a 10-point favorite, and I would be, I'm rarely shocked in the NFL.

be shocked if Chicago went to Green Bay despite their receiving issues, and Green Bay didn't win by two touchdowns. J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I was going to step in and maybe defend LaFleur a little bit, but, nah, come on, overrated. You know what's going to happen on prime time. Yeah.

Packers in her route, and once again, we'll say, oh, look at this tandem, LaFleur and Rogers. Well, a frequent guest on the show, Kevin Clark wrote a long piece defending LaFleur, and the big argument was, well, if it's so easy, to win 13 games, why didn't McCarthy do it the five prior years with Aaron Rogers? I was not a bad point. The division was much better. Remember, Chicago went to a Super Bowl McCarthy's team in turn. Also, Detroit had Matt Stafford. Yes. Okay, so that division was much better. And in fairness, McCarthy and Rogers couldn't stand each other. So the last two years, it dissolved into a mess. Disaster. And that's partly Aaron's fault and partly McCarthy's.

Yeah. But the idea, so a Matt LaFleur basically plays into Aaron, makes Aaron, they're generationally closer in age, they get along, probably like the same music. I get it. But if you're going to be a great coach, you're doing it in January. It's not beating the Bears and Lions. That does it. We don't annoy you. I mean, when Shanahan is beating McVeigh with Nick Mullins, that's when you go, whoa. Like, that's coaching. Yeah. All right, Kyle, first up, Trey Lance took responsibility for his mistakes in the loss of the Bears. Now he sees if he can turn it around at home against the Seahawks.

This line is dropping. A bit of a surprise. It was double digits down to eight and a half. Kyle Shanahan spoke out about how well he thinks Trey Lance has responded after the tough outing. Yeah, it comes back like the rest of the team on Monday. And we stay here at about, we usually finish reviewing everything with the players by four. Trey's a guy is always hard on himself. Looks at everything hard and comes in Tuesday and does all his rehab and gets ready.

And like the other players do, we don't see much of them. on Tuesdays. Gets a little bit with the quarterback coaches, but does everything right? If this isn't a get-right spot for him, he's got major problems, Colin. Isn't Jamal Adams out for the year? All Adams is done. This is a Seattle team that just won the Super Bowl, by the way, on Monday, I'm sure you saw. The way they've been celebrating online, have you seen the comments?

Yeah, it'll come down a little bit. I like San Francisco. Again, I find the Niners, not the best team. I think they're the most interesting story in the league. The Niners. No George Kittle, it looks like. It's looking like Kittle is going to miss the game. But I think they're weapons. They're fine.

Now, I mean, they have Dabo. They have Iyuk. They have Dibo. Excuse me, Davo. They have Dabo. They have Brandon Ayuk. They have another running back. The running backs banged up.

Mitchell's out. We'll see, Colin. It's a big number for an offense that didn't do much. Yeah. All right. Next up, the Carolina Panthers, a big one this week against the Giants. Now, they got off to a slow start against the Browns. They were down 13-0.

Baker was atrocious in the first half. But they had a 17.4th quarter, you know, kind of getting Baker Mayfield encouraged by the Panthers battling back. Here's what Baker said. Everybody's been extremely critical of themselves. Leaders have put ownership on themselves. And also at the same time, guys aren't losing their heads. I think that's the potential for all of our guys to look at. Everybody's just doing their job, realizing that even in some not-so-great looks,

we were still able to execute our plays and do them at a high level. Like I said, it was two completely different teams from first half to second half. So just everybody do your job. Just focus on that. Play the next play, no matter what's happened before that. Focus on doing your job. And just carry that momentum, realizing that we can be a very good team. Be confident in that and go believe it.

I honestly have no strong opinion on that game at all. My gut feeling is the Giants win. Okay. But I have to head on that one then. I like the Panthers. Okay, you do? Yeah. All right.

I watched the Giants Titans closely. They had a kid named the Hilliard on the Titans. wide open out of the backfield three times. Just catching passes, two touchdowns. What is Christian McCaffrey going to do who was underutilized in week one? I think this is a big game for McCaffrey. And I gave you the numbers last week.

Danny Dimes on the road covering machine. He goes home under the bright lights in New York and he just wiltz. He's terrible. So I'm on the Panthers. You're not feeling... Well, it's hard to love either one. Yeah, they're bad.

Do I have to have a strong conviction? You do not have to have a strong conviction about 16 games every week. It's okay. That's why we have the blazing five. All right, final story, Tua Tungaviloa. Got the win against Belichick's Patriots. He dominates Belichick, 4-0.

The victory now makes Tua. This is a crazy stat. Seven and one against Super Bowl winning head coaches. That is quirky, Colin. He has a chance to get another win when he faces John Harbaugh and the Ravens on Sunday. What is it? What's Tua's magic secret year? Seven and one.

I would say this, is that Tua plays. very much under control, very much an underneath thrower, and accurate. Where Belichick can dominate young quarterbacks, his guys that throw it way down the field. Right? Like, that's where Belichick, Tua doesn't. Tua is very much a controlled quarterback, 14 yards underneath stuff, and he's accurate. And so Tua doesn't really, I mean, that's the one thing you can't argue about Tua. His comp was Drew Brees, a left-hand of Drew Brees.

I don't think he's that. But he's a very accurate thrower. He plays under control, and they give him a limited amount. amount of responsibility. Where Belichick and some of these veteran coaches can get young guys in trouble is like Josh Allen thinks he's a little better. You know, like Josh Allen's first couple starts against Belichick. Sam Darnold played Carson.

Guys that are Herbert struggled against Belichick because they play a bigger, broader game with more tough throws. Tua, and I think this is right by Miami. This is what he can do. This is what we're going to ask him to do. And he does it very well. I don't know if you're really ready for this. We have not talked about this off air.

Somebody pointed out to me that Lamar Jackson, who's from the state of Florida, right? Right. Has gone on social media and liked a bunch of Lamar would look great in the dolphins. Remember, this is a dolphins team that went after Deshawn Watson heavily missed on him. Lamar doesn't sound like he's long for Baltimore. Does he want to go home? Now, this is speculative, but does he want to go home?

Is this his chance to show Miami? Hey, guys, I'm going to be franchise tagged. Yeah, I would love to go back to Florida. I think it's a really tasty rumor. And if you're from somewhere, so Lamar's from Miami? He's from the area. Yeah, I mean, listen. He was a dominant high school player.

Okay. So I'm sure there's parts of him that would like to go home. I have no idea why Baltimore would consider letting him go. In that division now with Deshawn Watson and Joe Burrow, I'm going to let Lamar Jackson go. That's absolutely a career ender. They're going to franchise tag him, right? That's fine. That's fine.

But I'm not letting him go. But would he? He wants to show the dolphins. Hey, guys, don't commit to a long term. I'm going to be on the market in two years. No, the hometown thing is real. It's real, yeah. I totally get it.

I moved back to Portland, Oregon at one point, missed my mom. It just like, it wasn't like a career move. It was a smaller market, but it was like I missed being in the Northwest. Yeah. And then I did it, and it was wet, and I decided to move. Yeah, I love Virginia where I grew up northern Virginia. I'm not moving back there. I kind of like the beach out here.

That's fine, but I do get the power of that. That's a very real thing. The allure. My wife's from the Midwest. She'll never get Chicago out of her DNA. She loves the city. She loves Chicago. And it's like, all right, that's why we go to Chicago.

It's a great city. She loves it. What a husband. Geez. I know. Unlike Tom Brady, I am just willing to. My wife is from Jersey. Really like New Jersey.

I want no part of New Jersey. Sorry. Taxes are brutal. Whatever. You'd make a fine living. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The herd. You know, tonight we're all very, very lucky. So it's Mahomes against Herbert. Now, Keenan Allen is out. So that's not great for the Chargers. I probably like, he's such a good third down receiver. I probably like Kansas City tonight. But Mahomes has played great against the Chargers and Herbert's played great against the Chiefs.

But here's where Herbert, because everybody's going to talk about Mahomes, here's where Herbert's really fascinating. And a lot of you don't watch the Chargers. They're the number two team in L.A. here's the thing about Herbert that is really remarkable. So if you go to his back-to-back years, so the first year in the league, get a terrible offensive line,

he completed 67% of his throws. The following year, year two, he had a very good offensive line. He completed the same. In the first year, with a terrible O line, $2.90 a game passing. With a great O line the next year, 295.

T.D. Interception, passer rating, basically the same. It's incredible. He's not influenced by coaching, coordinating, offensive line play. He's not influenced at all. You get the exact same quarterback both years. One coach was super conservative with a bad old line. Numbers.

Next year, with a more progressive coach in a great old line, same exact numbers. He's the absolute model of consistency. I love Burrow, but he has disaster games. I love Mahomes. He has four and five games stretches. where mechanically he's off. I love Josh Allen. He was bad his first year.

Herbert has walked into the sport and you get literally the exact same quarterback every time. In fact, if you simply take away two games against Belichick, those are his two real clunkers. And for the record, not exactly shocking, Belichick owns all young quarterbacks. If you look at Herbert Patriot games, those are his two worst games passer rating.

Every other game, you get a pro bowler. he is the most consistent quarterback in the league. Matt Stafford goes sideways. Aaron Rogers has games last two opening games of the year, like doesn't show up. So of all the young quarterbacks, he doesn't throw sidearm, he doesn't jump over people. Of all the young quarterbacks in the game, he is the least affected by coaching in the environment. Just not affected by it. You get the exact same throwing motion.

and it's funny when he was in college, the knock on him was he's mechanical. But it's actually become a strength. He doesn't ever get off mechanics. He gives you the, he looks like the logo. His literally is throwing, if I said Justin Herbert's throwing motion, all of you that watch the NFL can picture it in your head. It's that long stride.

He's got it cocked back. If I said that with Mahalms, sometimes he does a sidearm release. If I say it with Josh Allen, I don't have a mental picture. But with Herbert, I have a mental picture in his throwing motion because it's so consistent. And it translates, manifests itself in he's the most consistent young quarterback in the league, arguably the most consistent quarterback. Not affected by coaching, not affected by Oline, not affected by home, not affected by road.

It's the exact same player every game. Take out the Belichick messes. Which, I mean, Sam Donald's talking about ghosts on the sidelines. I mean, he's made every young quarterback. you know, almost every young quarterback struggle. Tua has been better than you'd expect. And Mahomes was better early. But we don't think Tua is in Herbert's class, and we know Mahomes is great.

So some of that could be, you know, some is the player, some is the style. Andy Reid, for the record, also has been the number one nemesis for Bill Belichick, his offensive play calling and design for Belichick for years. It's the one guy Bill can't get over on. So good stuff. I think I like the Chiefs. Keenan Allen, third down target, not available. I don't think that helps much.

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We got some good stuff today. Monday morning quarterback Albert Breer, senior reporter. So it's interesting. Ooh, that's a, I'm going to get to the Trevor Lawrence thing in a second. That is juicy. What has been the reaction from your sources around the league? I just defended Russell Wilson somewhat. I said his entire career has been deference.

Hand the ball off. Now he's the man. It's a hard pivot from being a third round pick who got replaced in college to your Peyton Manning. It's your team. It's like he may have to grow into this like telling. the coach what to do, but what are you hearing? Well, this is what he wanted, right? Like, he felt like if I have that sort of situation, then I can be a Brady or a Manning. And you saw it the way that the Broncos played offense on Monday night, far less quarterback run game, far more spread out,

distribute the ball. And that's what Russell wanted. So from that standpoint, Russell's getting what he wants. He's got his support system inside the building the way he wants it. This in a lot of ways is his operation. And, you know, I think that's one of the things is, you know, there's going to be an adjustment and there's him and Nathaniel Hackett figure things out along those lines. And that's why I think some people in the league were pointing to what happened at the end of that game is like, what's going on here? Like, who's making the call on the timeout? Or the coaches just standing there waiting for Russell to call it? There are a lot of those sorts of questions for my standpoint from the people I talk to that were coming out of that game. And then I think

there's the overarching question, which is the Nathaniel Hackett, when you break it down, whether he was right or wrong, the Nathaniel Tackett think it was more likely that Brandon McManus, who's a great kicker, was going to hit a 64-yard field goal than it was that Russell Wilson was going to convert a fourth and five with the offense as presently constituted. That to me is the big box question here. And that's the one that I think we're going to have to monitor going forward. So J-Mack brought something up. Lamar Jackson's from Miami.

He's liked a lot of things on social media. Our fans are like, you should come back and be a dolphin, blah, blah, blah. when he set a deadline, you know, he's got a very unconventional negotiating team, his mother. You tell me, what is next in this Lamar Ravens deal? Well, you know, I think raw dollars were never a problem. I mean, going back a year ago, they were willing to match the Josh Allen deal then. They were willing to go to the top of the market now when it just comes to the raw figure. This was about structure and guarantees and how the deal set up.

And I think a lot of people would look at it and say, you know, with Lamar's style of play, with the fact that he actually missed significant time last year for the first time in his career, you know, a lot of players would say, I need to cash out. I need to go get my money. Lamar's always thought differently. So here's what I would say, Colin. I just think that this is part of the equation for him. He's saying, if you're going to play me this way, and I'm going to play this way,

and I'm going to take on the physical risk, I'm not going to mitigate your financial risk. In other words, I'm not going to give you a break. four or five or six years from now if all these hits add up. So why don't we go forward with guaranteed money, which is what he has this year and see where it takes us? And so it's going to be interesting seeing this one evolve. You know, and then I think after the year, there's no question. The Ravens are going to have a decision to make on whether or not to put the exclusive tag on them or the non-exclusive tag on them, which is a $16 million difference. Yeah. I just, there's a lot of things about this negotiation that are different. I think there's reasons why we can't compare

this to other negotiations. And again, one of the big ones is I don't think Lamar approaches these things the same way a normal player would or even a normal quarterback would. So listen, the Kyler-Murie stuff, that was a disastrous performance. Kingsbury said afterwards, we got to practice harder. I saw another story today where Kingsbury's talking about, you know, we're trying to make Kyler more verbal. He's not an overly verbal guy.

Is it a little bit of a mess behind the scenes or was it just a Mahomes and Andy Reed come in, blow you out it's what they do in September. Don't make too much of it. No, there were big leadership questions. I mean, that's part of why that study, the independent study clause was in that contract. And part of that was like the owner saying, like, I'm going to show Kyler who's boss. I'm going to show everybody who's boss here. We're going to mandate some of these things. But another part of it was Kyler came into the league at a weird time. And because of that in part, because of the leadership issue in part, he really hasn't taken the both by the horns the way a lot.

of other quarterbacks would. He hasn't spent a full offseason there. Like in 19, he comes in obviously as a rookie after the draft. 20 was the COVID offseason. 21, he didn't show up on time, like in the offseason. Now, it's all voluntary, but he wasn't the first one in the building the way a lot of other quarterbacks are. And this year, he skipped half the offseason program.

So there are definitely some people in the building that are wondering, if we're investing this amount of money in him, we need him to be the tone center. Because you know this as well as anybody, Colin. And those lock rooms, they keep score. They watch what the highest paid guys are doing. They watch what the quarterback's doing. And so, you know, I think there have been a lot of subtle things that the Cardinals have done to try to give them a little kick in the behind to say, we need you to be the leader now. This isn't optional anymore.

And so I think that's part and parcel to everything that you're talking about. So in your mailbag, Monday morning quarterback, little interesting nugget on Trevor Lawrence. I love Trevor Lawrence. I think it's a tough place. O-line's not great. Second year new coach, new system, free agent. new free agency. It's all new teammates, players, style, coach. It's not going to be easy, and they're still rebuilding. But you have a nugget in there that's interesting. Some are concerned

about him. Yeah. So like I'd say like to set this up, the bar is really high for him. I mean, I said it and I said it because a lot of coaches and scouts were telling me that he's in this class. Elway, Manning, Luck, Lawrence, forever, right? Like for three years. We were all saying that. And I think there was this idea that he was this fully formed, developed quarterback prospect because he played for three years and played at a national championship level consistently at Clemson had been the best player in the field nine times out of ten when he went out there in college. The truth when he got into an NFL field was some of the flaws in his game that were generated

by playing in such a simplistic offense at Clemson started to show up. And so what coaches and scouts that were working against him saw, geez, he doesn't see the field as fast as we thought he would. He doesn't process the way we thought he would. We're going to be able to game plan against him a certain way. Doesn't mean the physical gifts aren't there. He's got a big arm. He's athletic. He's big. All of that's still there. And it doesn't mean he's not smart. It just means there were things he wasn't asked to do at Clemson where you're going to be projecting him now. And I don't think anybody really saw him as that sort of projection coming out of college. So it's just been interesting talking to some of the coaches and scouts about what they see now.

and that's a guy who maybe doesn't see the field quite as well as they thought he would coming out of school. Listen, Mahomes' viewed as here and Herbert beneath him. When you talk to people, they play tonight, how do the executives see the two? So I did this poll a couple weeks ago, and within like a five-day period, I had 76, GMs, directors of player personnel, head coaches, offensive coordinators, quarterbacks coaches, vote. And I asked them, who are the top five quarterbacks going to be at the end of the year? I do this every year. So tell me who they're going to be, not now, but who are they going to be at the end of the year?

And there were six that were really above everybody else. Patrick Mahomes won the poll for the third straight year. He was neck and neck with Josh Allen at the top. Justin Herbert was number four, ahead of Tom Brady, ahead of Joe Burrow. So, I mean, I'm talking 76 guys voted on this. And that's the result that this thing spit out. So I think, you know, you look at where Justin Herbert is going in to his third year as an NFL player. He's got a ton of respect across the NFL.

A lot of people think that he's going to wind up being not a good quarterback, but a great quarterback. He showed up in the poll last year coming out of his rookie year, and now he's fourth. Again, ahead of Burrow, ahead of Brady. There are a lot of people in the NFL that think he's going to be a top five quarterback in the league for the next 10 years based on what he did his first two years. Hey, a quick one on this.

Only about a minute left. Rogers, rookie receivers, really ugly. Any concerns there? Not really. I mean, I look, like here's the thing. They looked really bad at the beginning of last year. And we saw this with the Patriots, with Brady, all those years. They'd sort of used the first month of the season as an extended preseason

because of the quarterback you know you're going to be there at the end. So you got some leeway to tinker with some things. They got Christian Watson a ton of playing time. They got Romeo Dobbs a ton of playing time. Did they think it would look ugly? I think they probably thought there would be some bumps along the way, and they had to endure those bumps. They think they're going to be better in November and December

from getting those guys that experience. Here's the other thing. Everybody's talking about Devante Adams not being in there. You know who else wasn't out there for the Packers? David Backtiari and Elkton Jenkins. They're two starting tackles, two all pro-level players. I would argue if you watch that game, that was a bigger deal than not having Devante Adams out there.

And so because they've sort of taken this extended preseason approach, they're not rushing the tackles back. They're getting the rookie receivers playing time. And I think that they think that they're going to be better in November and December because they've done these things. Albert Breer, great as always Monday morning quarterback. Thanks, Albert. All right, thanks, Colin. You know, it is interesting. Clemson ran a pretty simple offense. You know, college offenses. There are some like Lincoln Riley at USC who's on the show today.

It's a little more sophisticated offense. And so all of a sudden you go to the NFL. And not only does everybody speed up, but the offense gets much more complicated. And now you're on your second coaching staff. So I think he gets through this, but this stuff's hard. It is really hard. Hour to, Greg Gosell next. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel

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