The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Broncos, Rodgers, Brady

Episode Date: October 18, 2022

The Broncos might have made a BIG mistake trading for and paying huge money for Russell Wilson following another disappointing loss Thoughts on Aaron Rodgers' comments about the Packers offense Has Tom Brady earned the right to get special treatment?   Guest: Mark SchlerethSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What's happening in Denver live in L.A. It's The Herd, wherever you may be. However you may be listening, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. J. Mack is joining me. K. Bon The Fibodeau of the New York Giants joins us today. He's off to a very good start. He was banged up early, playing very well. right now. So Kvon Thibodel, the former Oregon duck, top of the draft board near the top,

playing well for the Giants. Do they sneak into my herd hierarchy? Are the jets in there is the real question? That's what America wants to know. It's really weird. I mean, outside of Philly Chiefs' Bills, who do we love in the league right now? I mean, it's a lot of like who's healthy, who's not, what's the motivation, who the quarterback is. If you watched Chargers Broncos last night, I was there at SoFi. Mark Sanchez, our guest, was there as well. none of those teams deserve to be in the top 10 for sure. That's ugly. Well, one isn't for sure.

So let's start with this. Actually last night, Denver and the Chargers are very similar. They're both in the AFC West. We like both of their rosters, but we feel they're both underachieving. We don't love their head coaches. And both offensive lines due to key injuries were awful. regardless of who won, Denver's in much bigger trouble. And a lot of that is because the Chargers are going to get

Keenan Allen and Joey Bosa and Corey Lindley back. They're going to get some guys back. But the other part is, even with that terrible offensive line, 65, 240, cannon arm, athletic, super bright, Justin Herbert completed 37 throws. Russell Wilson with a bad old line and a coach we doesn't love, completed three in the second half. half. The difference, the gap between Herbert and Russell Wilson was on display last night.

Completely on display. And the other big problem for Denver is, Herbert doesn't make any money. He literally doesn't want to be in commercials. He's a team guy quiet. And here's Russell on a million commercials, seeking fame, pitching reality shows, most highly paid guy in the room. Denver's locker room, I mean, you had a match to that thing right? right now and it would blow up. You watch the body language. You saw some of those viral videos last night. They are about to lose that locker room really fast. And this team has new owners. And right now they're wondering if they bought a cemetery. Did they buy Blockbuster? Lots of debt and no fresh content. And I can assure you, I can't explain Russell Wilson.

Velocity is off. Accuracy is gone. Can't throw the deep ball. Doesn't communicate with young receivers, it's not getting better. He's still semi-mobile, not as quick and twitchy as he was, but he still moves way better than average quarterbacks. But in the end, I've never seen anything like it. Now, Peyton Manning fell off a cliff, but he was 39. He had four neck surgeries. He had three great years in Denver, fell off a cliff. That was more explainable. Russell Wilson's, what, 32, 33, never had a major surgery? His previous four years were unbelievable. His passer rating average 106. That was with a battle line and a defensive coach in Seattle. I've never seen anything like it.

Accuracy, gone, velocity, off. Like, I would argue the mobility at least looks sort of like he used to have. But the bigger issue here is we can point fingers. Successful people don't care. They want solutions. And I think Denver has to seriously consider two things, one of which will just be luck. First of all, after the season, you move off Nathaniel Hackett.

Does it matter if it's fair? Go look at Matt Ryan's numbers from, Kyle Shanahan to Sark. They fell off the table. Coaching matters. I'll get into that more later. But this is some of it. Nathaniel Hackett is not the answer.

You got to move off him after a year. Sorry if it's not fair. But he doesn't have a six-year, $250 million contract. The other thing that you have to strongly consider, and it sounds weird, because I love Russell, is they gave up their first and second round pick. They have a third-round pick.

Draft a quarterback. Can you find a Bailey Zappy? Can you find a DAC? Russell was a third round pick. Can you go find a Kirk Cousins? He was a four-round pick. You have to roll the dice. There's no way out of this.

Russell's got six years left. I do believe the right coach makes it look different than today. But maybe it's time to put pressure on Russell. Maybe he's doing too many commercials, pitching reality shows to production companies. I've said this with Brady and Russell. You know what, man, they're not talented enough to not be 100% committed. Mahomes could have 30 commercials.

He's an all-time generational talent. But I think there's only two ways out of this. We can point fingers. There's no precedent for this. I've never seen anything like this. But successful people want solutions. You know, somebody told me as I started a small podcasting business, I asked a really successful guy or two, including Mark Cuban,

give me some advice going into this business. They said, double down immediately on what works and bail on a what doesn't. Don't be stubborn. Let's not be stubborn here. Nathaniel Hackett's not working and Russell you're tied to. It's time to put more pressure on him. But this, now, again, Russell's positive. Chargers issues are a lot of them are solvable. Keenan Allen's back. The center's back. Joey Bosa's back. Denver, they're missing a left tackle who broke his leg. He's not coming back. This is your own line the rest of the year. Russell, though, very optimistic after.

No, we don't have division in our locker room. You guys saw how hard we played for each other tonight. I mean, everybody, it didn't go our way, but everybody's fighting their butts off every day. The guys up front of the line, receivers, tight ends, running backs, the defense, defense-aligned, linebackers. And just, I mean, our safety's in corner.

I mean, everybody's playing for each other. We felt like we could have won the game, and it didn't work out. But there's everybody's together. We still believe in everything that. we can do. I don't know. I don't know. I'm watching the sidelines. I'm watching the viral videos. Listen, those two teams are very similar. Coaches we don't love. Rosters we do. Battle lines due to injuries. Two franchise quarterbacks. But I think the Chargers even had they lost, I mean, Herbert's

not healthy right now. He's not 100% healthy. Maybe 60, 70. He's not 100% healthy. But you feel like with the chargers, their solutions coming. Big, strong, strapping, young guy, not making big money at quarterback who the teammates rally around and like. Denver feels kind of desperate. New owners, not going to sit around and wait. Successful people want solutions. I think you have to move off the coach in about four months. And I think you have to draft the quarterback just in case you can't solve it. My guess is it is somewhat solvable. Russell's better than what we're seeing. But there is no precedent for this. I've never seen this. Four years with a bad old line, 106 passer rating, 5 to 1 TD to interception ratio, 67% completion percentage to can't complete passes in a half.

Three. Wow. All right. So this is interesting. I've said before and, you know, half serious, but I like that Patrick Mahomes got married. I do. I like my, I like my quarterbacks married. Why? Because when you're married, got to walk the dog. Got to pick up crap in the yard. Got a sacrifice for your kids. You don't always get your way. Marriage is teamwork and sacrifice. So is quarterback. The answers aren't always simple, but they are for a single guy. So after the Packers lost, Aaron Rogers, who's always smart, right? It always sounds pretty smart, said this.

Nobody works harder than Matt on the plan each week, and nobody comes with better ideas than him and his staff. But if it's not working, it's not because those guys aren't grinding. It's because we're not executing. and if we think we have the right players, then we need to simplify things. If you don't, then that's all another conversation. All right.

Simplify things. Yes, Shanahan, Belichick, and Andy Reed, Sean Payton, they have very simple teams. Not. Simplicity is not the answer. Football's hard. It's complex. There's obstacles for the winning teams

with the great quarterbacks. Simplify things sounds like what a rich single guy says, who doesn't have to pick up crap from the dog or do honey-does. Hey, man, let's just simplify stuff. God, I wish marriage was that easy. And I wish quarterbacking was. In fact, Matt Lefleur, after that, was asked in his press conference about Aaron's comment.

Matt, were you surprised to hear how much Aaron wants to something by the office yesterday? I don't know what that means. Yeah. What do you mean? Simplify it. Folks, Simplify it is often code for, I don't want to put the work in. I don't want to have patience with young receivers.

I don't want to have a knockdown dragout with Matt Lefleur in a film room. If you think football is easy, go play high school football. Even that's complex. College, more complex. Pro. It's the Rubik's Cube times the New York Times crossword puzzle. It's hard. Tom Brady said it this week. Football is hard. There are no easy, simple answers or everybody would win. And right now half the leagues in crisis. The answers aren't simple. Communicating and teaching young receivers how to overcome mistakes is hard. And barking at Matt Lafleur and figuring it out is hard. Simplify things is code for. Amen. That's your issue, man. You figure that out. No, this franchise, and I said it yesterday, is dying for leadership.

When Aaron suggested, let's simplify it, the head coach said, I don't even know what that means. Either would Andy Reid or Shanahan or McVeigh or Belichick or my guest who comes on, Sean Payton every week. The answer to hard, complex businesses isn't just, you know, let's scale it down. Because Belichick's team, they don't play many rookies. It takes you a year to figure it out. Andy Reed, go ask Patrick Mahomes.

That audible system isn't just like, blew this and read that. Got to be smart, got to be coachable. Thank God Patrick Mahomes is. But when the coach says, I don't even know what that means. means that is obviously not the solution to real obstacles which Green Bay now is facing and can probably overcome, but making it easier for everybody. Listen, the Jets already figured your offense out. You watch that game.

The Jets figured your offense out. You want to simplify it? You want to make it easier for Robert Sala? Matt Eberflus? Hey, guys, you know how that offense was easy to decipher? We're going to simplify it. That's not the answer. All right. Yesterday, man, did I get pushback?

I suggested that Tom Brady had earned the right to not be at a Saturday morning meeting. I got major pushback from Andrew Whitworth, Sean Peyton and J-Mack. And yesterday Brady talked about the blow-up, the situation on his podcast, and we'll have that coming up. live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s.

To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Then you're finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really?

Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Big debate on the show yesterday. Has Tom Brady earned the right not to show up for a Saturday morning meeting? My initial take was, you know, the guy sits and won't drink a beer during the season. and I've never questioned his commitment to it. And I do think Brady has earned the right to be treated differently.

I don't care if you're the top salesperson on a company, the top engineer at Apple. You're going to get treated differently and get a different office. When I used to work at ESPN, the way the big campus, literally certain people, you earn the corner office based on, you know, revenue created or seniority. And I'm okay with that. Hierarchy. I'm okay with some of it. and he did make Tampa Bay relevant. He talked about the barking and the yelling and the screaming.

And this part, I totally agree with him. I don't know if it's motivation, but I do think that it's a bad day when there's more F bombs than touchdowns. So that was not one of my better days. I'm the one out there speaking in the huddle, calling the plays. That's what my job is to try to get us going and to try to rally us. And there's a lot of ways to do it. And sometimes it's some positive encouragement, which you do a lot.

Sometimes it's, you know, getting on people and trying to raise the level, the sense of urgency and raising my voice and trying to create a different vibration for the whole offense. And that's ultimately what you're trying to do. That's mostly what I said yesterday. Sometimes leadership is uncomfortable. Sometimes it's volume. Sometimes it's criticism. Sometimes it's intensity and passion. Other times it is encouragement.

But I would say this. What was Brady's secret sauce? Not as talented. He was a six-round pick. obsession. He was proving that if you are more committed and more obsessed about it, and this works in almost every industry, you will win more. If the commitment slips, the play slips.

Tom is active on social media. He now has a clothing line, a podcast, TB12, a production company. Even affected his private life. His private life is having issues. Every great quarterback has a secret weapon. Brady's was obsession. He's not 100% all in. And that probably speaks well of him as a human, is his kid's age.

He's a better dad. He's there for him. But same thing with Russell Wilson. He's pitching reality shows what he dresses like now. That's taking time. He's on a million commercials. He's active on social. Russell Wilson's secret sauce, like Brady's was, completely utterly committed.

I can remember his rookie year. and I wasn't on Twitter much then, but he would send out tweets. I lived on the East Coast, and he would send out tweets at like four in the morning on my way to a children's hospital in Seattle. And I'm like, I just got up. Like, this guy is all in. But Russell was a third round pick and Brady was a six-round pick. And yes, Patrick Mahomes has 30 endorsements too. But he's generationally gifted.

He can get away with it. LeBron can get away with it. But later round picks, they do it. Their secret sauce is the obsession, the commitment, the coachability. You know, that's why Draymond Greens on the Warriors. He averages seven a night. It's his physicality, his toughness, his smarts. There's a lot of layers to it.

Number one picks, you're Tim Duncan's. They just, the heavens gave them a genetic edge. Not saying they don't work hard, they're not coaching. But, I mean, we all look at certain athletes in the world, baseball, football, basketball, and they are just like crazy talented. Josh Allen, whatever that is at 6-6 jumping over NFL players in the middle of games, I've never seen it before. So whatever the gods did to them upstairs genetically, congratulations to the Josh Allen family.

But Brady and Russell Wilson, to me, feel distracted. And I think it's hard. I think young people are facing it, old people are facing it, everybody's got social media, every athlete. You know, folks in America, what happens? happen is really simple. Is that the only thing anybody watches on TV now is sports? I mean, literally, that's all they watch.

And NFL football has risen above every other sport, baseball, soccer, hockey, basketball. So these quarterbacks lining up 30, 40, 50 companies want a piece of them. It's hard to say no. McDonald's offers you $8 million. Chevron offers you $4 million. This insurance company offers you $6 million. This watch company offers you $4 million. It's hard to say no.

I get it. But I do think Brady and Russell Wilson just feel distracted. Too many things going on and football is hard. And Brady and Russell Wilson, I always felt for years and years, Tom turned down commercials. There was a reason for it. He wanted the money. But there was a reason for it. I'm all football.

Doesn't quite feel like that today. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. To that point, I heard a great story. Julio Jones, if you remember, the Falcons were in the Super Bowl against the Patriots, and they were throwing mid-six figures at Julio Jones to do ads during the week

and promote stuff on social media. He said, nope, I got to lock in on football. This is the biggest game in my life. Turn down big, big money. And focus is a big thing. Former great quarterbacks, the Joe Montana, the Terry Bradshaw, get six figures during Super Bowl week. imagine how many Mahomes, Russell, Brady, you know, good looking, accomplished.

So, like, you have to make choices. And I understand, like, who am I to tell people not to do it? But, you know, like, John Morant's going to get 30 endorsement opportunities. I'm not saying you shouldn't take a couple, but I do feel with Brady and Russell, they're everywhere now. Yeah. I've had a lot of endorsements since I joined the show. I told them I've got to lock in. I've got to focus on the gambling and heard my news.

So let's get started here, Colin. With the Washington commanders announcing that Carson Wentz had surgery on that fractured finger in his throwing hand, suffered against the bears. He will reportedly be out four to six. Now, I know you're big on the whole four to six means like two weeks. Yeah. I think this one's a little different, Colin. Taylor Heineke's taking over his quarterback. If you parse some of the comments from Ron Rivera, he almost sounded a little excited that Taylor Heineke is going to give him a shot.

He's not. He's not bad. He's not bad. He's not bad. He's a little. Nobody has any Bailey Zappy. But Heineke last year faced the Packers

and I remember this game vividly because I bet on the Packers and they covered. Heineke moved the ball with ease. They just melted down in the red zone, couldn't get any points. They had two fourth down

turnovers inside the five-yard line. I think Washington is plucky this week, Colin, I'll make a bold prediction. I don't think we see Carson Wentz on her center again this year for Washington. I think Heineke takes the job. Now, maybe Heineke gets hurt,

but they also want to take a look at Sam Howell, the rookie out of North Carolina. I know you're a Wence guy, but I haven't seen that the contract that he signed, but I'm sure there's some stipulations for playing time and snaps. Starts, yeah, yeah. I think Washington is ready to move on for once. Yeah, listen, it's desperate times, desperate measures, right?

Ron Rivera's jobs on the line for that much, right? Totally. Yeah. All right, let's move on to the next story. Another struggling offense, Arizona Cardinals, Colin. Oh, my gosh, 22nd in scoring with an offensive head coach and a franchise quarterback. 16th in total yards per game. Cliff Kingsbury, however.

is saying for right now he's the team's play caller, but that he would be willing to give that up for the good of the team. Well, hold on, here's what he said. I am open to anything that helps us score more points and help us win. We will see where it all goes, but yeah, whatever it takes, I'm all for it. Now, that's a shocking revelation from somebody who's allegedly an offensive mastermind. Well, and also, that's kind of his superpower, like he was the play caller. So I never like my coaches calling plays.

Like I always feel like a head coach should be Jimmy Johnson had told me this years ago. I'd ask Jimmy, I'd pepper Jimmy with a thousand questions every time I'd see him in the avocado room here at Fox. And, you know, you kind of walk around to each unit and say, don't do that, do that. I think when you get embedded into one side of the ball, the other side naturally slips. And I'm not saying that you don't have, like for instance, McVeigh, his hand, his footprints are all over. that offense, and they should be. But you can't ignore special teams. That's what I've said about Matt LaFleur. Where are your footprints on the team? Like, I want to see you be more committed to your side. But I also, if you have to call plays, I mean, three and a half hours emotionally,

you're out on everything else. It almost feels like Cliff Kingsbury. That was the last thing he was clinging to, right? Calling plays. We know he's not a defensive guy. He could pay attention to special teams, but Colin, this to me feels like the beginning of the end, possibly. I I can't imagine that they dust him after this year. But, Colin, they're 31st in yards per play in the league with Cliff Kingsbury, whose thing is offense. You don't think they fire him, do you? No, I think Ron Rivera is in trouble, but I don't, I wouldn't fire Cliff Kingsbury. Here's the question.

Here's the question. I'm going to throw this out. You think this is insane. Okay. Denver says, we'll take him off your hands. You want Russell. Kingsbury. Now, I'm just throwing this out there.

Kingsbury is like, just give me a coat. coachable guy. Russell Wilson. Whereas, whereas Denver, Hackett's like, give me a young guy who can move. What if Denver in Arizona? You're saying a coach swap hacking in Kingsbury? It's not what I said.

A player swap. You think I'm nuts? You'd give up Russell Wilson? If Arizona doesn't solve this, if Denver doesn't solve it, who wouldn't take that phone call? Arizona, Kyler Marie does not trust the owner, the GM of the coach.

coach. Fresh start. Denver gets what they want. And by the way, Russell's an older Kyler. Arizona's like, we like Kyler. He's not coachable. That's not an issue with Russell. You think this is crazy. Both have to solve an issue. And by the way, both have contracts you can't get out of. You could with a trade. America, am I nuts? You are nuts. Kyle Murray is an indoor quarterback, warm weather guy. He is not going to work at mile high in the outdoors. I think he's got a way stronger arm than you think. No, he's got a great arm, but...

By the way, I'm not saying I'm right. I am saying if these seasons torpedo, you would not in Arizona take a call from Denver on 33-year-old Russell Wilson. I would rather have Russell than Kyler-Maris. Okay. No, by the way. Who would you rather have?

That's why you take the call. You can talk me into both. Listen, we do sports radio. I'm not a journalist here. I'm just telling you, Denver's owners are looking this and saying, did we buy Blockbuster? We need fresh content. Well, Kyler Murray's got his issues, but my takeaway with Kyler is he's sitting there right now thinking,

why am I taking all the shots here? My owner calls me out. My GM doesn't like me. They put an addendum in my contract. And oh, by the way, I don't trust, I don't love my coach. Kyler would love a fresh start. The weirdest part about Tyler. And by the way, Kyler would get that defense?

The Denver defense is phenomenal. Second in the league and yards per play allowed. Arizona's like, we are over Kyler, but we built our offense based on his skill set, which is a mobile quarterback. It's so weird that they paid him when they didn't have to because he forced their hand. Like, think about it. If Kyler now was playing for a contract and look like this, he's not sniffing what he got, not at all, because his play has been very poor.

Colin, they were ascending in his first three years in the league. All of a sudden, they are quickly going downhill. Does this look like a 500 team to you right now? I've seen broadcasters be swapped. I've seen companies be swapped. I if you would you take a call in 10 weeks if these things don't get solved

they're basically the same quarterback one is younger one is older I think Arizona what are you doing the off season if you end up with four wins five wins if you're Arizona what do you do if you're Denver

I think you look at the coach the coach Hackett is dust I don't even know if he's getting to Thanksgiving but Klinsbury you just signed the new big deal Kyler just got the new big deal and they're not getting along So how do you solve it? We need a capologist on the show to see if that would actually work.

All right, final story, Colin. NBA returns tonight. Lakers' brutal week, Colin. They open against the Warriors tonight, six and a half point underdogs. Golden States gets their championship rings. And then on Thursday, Lakers' Clippers' home opener, I will be in the building for that. Oh, that'll be fired up. I don't know if you want to join us.

I think the Clippers are the only team in the West that can beat the Warriors. I'm going to ask a silly question. Is Kauai Leonard even playing? We don't know. He sits out all the games. He's played in forever. I like a lot about the Clippers. I like their owner.

I like their coach. I like their executive suite. I like their roster. I think the Clippers, there's an argument. The best team in the league's Golden State, second best, Milwaukee, third best Clippers. Maybe we'll do season-long picks later in the show. But let me read this Anthony Davis quote for you real quick.

Our first two games are against title contenders. It's always good to spoil a ring night. So our mindset is going up and starting the season with a couple Ws. Colin, I think they lose tonight. I think they get smacked. This Warriors team, man. Dude, I think one to 11, they might have the best roster in the league. Oh, they do?

It's so nasty. Like, their 10th guy would be like the sixth man on the Lakers. And everybody on the Warriors has a role. The tough guy. Looney's the rebounder. Steph's the shooter. Clay's the catch-and-shoot. The twitchy wing defender who can score on the break is Andrew Wiggins.

Jordan Poole is when Steph hits the bench. Cummings, the athletic forward, the young guy. Wiseman is your rim protector. The whole roster has a role. Do you think Patrick Beverly talks any trash to Jordan Poole about the Draymond incident? He's totally going to do that. By the way, Yankees, game five, and NBA season opens tonight. Colin, this is like a sports fan's dream.

The last four days have been so good. Oh, my goodness. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurdline News. So the whole Russell Wilson thing, you know I like Russell Wilson, but we have to be realistic about this.

What is happening now? There's no precedent, right? Like history kind of tells you what's going to happen in the future. If you go to the previous four years of Russell Wilson in Seattle, this was with a bad offensive line, a defensive coach, his previous four years, he had 106.3 passer rating with a battle line. Four and a half to one touchdown to interception ratio, 66% completion percentage.

Look at the ratings. Look at his numbers now. He has fallen off a cliff. Folks, velocity, accuracy. So what is it? He's 33. He's not 40. Now, Peyton Manning fell off a cliff, but he was 39 years old and it had four previous neck surgeries. Russell Wilson's never had a surgery. NC State, Wisconsin, Seattle. He had a banged up finger. There's no precedent for it. So that's why I put a lot of this on Nathaniel Hackett. Now, I'm not saying Russell doesn't have too many life distractions. I'm not saying maybe Russell and his optimism through the years. I can make it. I can, has played through too many injuries that he didn't disclose. That's possible. But I will show you this. If you don't think coaches matter a lot, you're not paying attention.

Here is Matt Ryan with Kyle Shanahan. Matt Ryan with Kyle Shanahan as offensive coordinator, completed 70% of his throws, a five and a half to one touchdown to interception ratio. and a passer rating of 117, won the MVP. The next year, same personnel with a competent coach, not saying he's great, with Sark, his numbers fell off the table. His passer rating went down almost 27 points. That's from a great coach to a competent one. So when I look at Russell Wilson's erosion, yeah, a lot of it is Hackett.

I don't know the explanation. Has he had multiple surgeries? The only player I've seen fall off a cliff like this was Peyton, but Peyton was old. You could see the aging. He had had neck surgery. You know, it was just different. It wasn't a shock with Peyton. It was like, he's old.

He's taking a lot of hits. Russell hasn't. What do we always brag about Russell? Nobody ever gets a clean shot in him. Even last night running around. Nobody ever gets a clean shot on Russell. He's a former baseball player. He slides great.

He avoids contact great. He's had no major surgeries. He's 33 for crying out loud. And he has fallen off a cliff. I go to the Matt Ryan situation. When you go from a great coach to a competent one, he lost 20, 119 pass rating to 91. Some of this has to be the coach.

It has to be. There's no other explanation that I can. Russell Wilson talked about it, a multiple fronts last night about what's happened today. Denver. Shoulder did good, you know. But listen, I think the only thing that matters is us winning. You know, I'm not going to sugarcoat it. The only thing that matters is us winning and finding a way. There's no excuse for it. We got to find a way. The reality is that's not good. That's not good enough. We've got to be better. We've got to be better. We've got to find ways to make plays.

Got to find ways to continue to get first downs, touchdowns. That feels like a lot more than that. Three completions in an entire second half. That's without Joey Bosa playing. They bench their top corner. I think it's more than playing hard and being efficient. It feels like something is way, way off. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. This is Steve Kavino and Rich.

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Denver, sports in the morning, Mark Slarith. All right, in Denver, I know your phones are ringing, your ears are buzzing. During the break, we talked about this. I always assume, and I said this for two years, I like Denver's pieces, their young wide receivers, but there is a lack of connectivity between Russell, Hamler, Judy, like, it's obvious. There is no. nothing there with those guys. Have we overstated Denver's talent? Oh, I think so. I mean, I think that overstating the talent, I think the receivers, I just don't think there's an attention to detail. I don't think they play with an urgency that they need to play with. And I don't think from a football understanding standpoint,

they do the little things. They do the dirty work. I don't think they understand the complementary nature of football. Colin, I had my annual physical yesterday. And my prostate exam was more pleasurable than watching the Broncos play offense. Yeah. That's how bad that's how bad that offense performance was in the second half. And when you're not doing the dirty work, listen, when you play offensive line, you're forced to be tough, right? Because you're going to get a mouthful on every single play. You get to choose whether to be dominant as a wide receiver.

You get to choose whether you want to do the dirty work or not. You get to choose whether you want to make a great block or not. They're choosing not to. They're choosing to be soft. And from a coaching standpoint, Nathaniel Hackett, and listen, I like Nathaniel Hackett a lot. But you're either coaching that or you're allowing it to happen. Those are the two choices you have. You're either coaching your players to not have that attention or you're allowing it to happen.

And that's unacceptable. Like if I'm coaching this team, there would be score stirk. Melvin Gordon wouldn't play for me. I would have cut Melvin Gordon weeks ago, but I certainly would cut him today. He'd be gone. I mean, that guy puts the ball on the ground more than grass anyhow. Like, why is he on our football team? Why?

Yeah. And you know what? There would be some serious consequences for the way you're playing. I don't need to hear, hey, we have to play with more urgency. 11 days was it enough to give you a sense of urgency? The fact that you are losing games and you're setting offense back 50 years and you're the, the worst, scoring offense in football, that's not enough urgency for your players. You can't get that message across. So you're either coaching it or you're allowing it to happen. And the sad part of this is that

defense last night played exceptionally well. Right. Exceptionally well. And here's what happens to you, Colin. When you play that well on one side of the ball, eventually you know that your offense can't support you. You know, eventually you become an independent contractor. You're out there playing for you, not for your team. You're just going, hey man, I just want to get through this and play for myself. And that's the reason cultures end up sucking. And to me, that culture is bad right now.

How much is on Russell Wilson? I just showed minutes ago, I said I saw Matt Ryan with Shanahan, the next year was Sark, who's certainly capable, and the numbers fell off a cliff. I saw Peyton Manning fall off a cliff, but he was 39 with four neck surgeries. There's no precedent for Russell

previous four years and then this? Or did Pete Carroll just mask it? Yeah, I think, you know, for so many years, there was this prevailing thought in Seattle that Pete got to take the handcuffs off, right? Let Russ cook type of thing. And ultimately, I think what we're seeing is that Pete knew what he had. He knew what Russell was good at.

He knew what he couldn't do. And so Pete was basically saying, I'm not going to let you run the orchestrate the, I'm not going to let you play from shotgun. I'm going to make you play from under center. We're going to run the ball. We're going to set up the play action and the play pass. And we're going to make sure we manage you as a football player. We're going to eliminate half the football field.

We're going to roll you out and do these things because that's where you're most effective. And I feel like there's, I feel like there's a situation where you forced to trade. You came to Denver and said, man, I want to operate from the pocket. I want to do everything from the pocket. And I can't tell you how many times you see him make mistakes or miss throws or miss opportunities. Like he doesn't see the wide open tight end that's in a spot route right over the field. He just doesn't see it early or he doesn't anticipate it being open. Like to me, watching him last night, I thought you're just become a sight thrower.

Meaning I have to see the guy open before I throw it as opposed to anticipating, hey, this is going to come open. Let me throw it into a window. and run my receiver into that window. So you have become this ultimate kind of almost sight thrower. And I think maybe what we have to look at is Pete Carroll was doing a phenomenal job in Seattle of making sure you mask some of those deficiencies, or at least kept him out of those situations. Because you knew what he was better than he knew what he was himself.

He thought he was something he wasn't. And I think that's what we're seeing right now. So you have the Giants game at the Jaguars. they're on fire. You're starting to dive into tape. I think Brian Daible, when I watch them, I think he's doing as good a job with a flawed offense as you can possibly do. What's the early tape say on the Giants? Yeah, I think you're 100% right.

I think number one, what I see is, hey, if we're going to throw, you know, if we're going to throw the ball, at least we're going to run some deeper intermediate routes. We're going to do that out of play pass on early downs, meaning, you know, we're going to fake hand off, we're going to drop back, we're going to get six, seven man protections, and we're going to push the ball down the field. If we're in another situation where we just want to throw the ball, we're always going to have a quick answer. There will be a bubble screen.

There will be a quick, you know, outlet pass to your running back. So we'll always have for Daniel Jones a quick answer so that if we get pressure, man, there is somebody there that you can deliver the football to and let them, you know, try to make a play. Let them try to break a tackle and put us in a good situation. getting the running back in Saquan Barclay back into what he does well as opposed to, you know, putting him in a position to fail. You know, I always say this about coaches.

You know, you put a player in a position to fail. Don't be surprised when he fails because you're the dumb ass that put him in that position. Right. And so for me, you took Seyquan Barclay and said, what do you do well? Oh, you're more of a zone type of runner. You know, back in the day, it was like Barry Sanders loved to run like just sprint draw. Offense back in the day for the Detroit lines, it was the easiest offense in the world. Sprint draw right, sprint draw left.

That was about it. That was the whole running game, right? And then all of a sudden come in and go, you know what, I'm a genius, so I'm going to make him run behind a fullback. Well, Barry Sanders would tell you, first off, I don't like to be in the eye. I don't want to run behind a fullback. I don't like that's not the way I operate, right? So why would you put him in that position? So Saquan Barkley, healthy, but more importantly, in a system where he's comfortable in a,

in a situation where he's comfortable, and you're reaping the benefits right now, that guy and the way he's playing. Good stuff. Mark Schlarith has the Giants Jags this weekend. As always, Mark, love your insight, especially on the Broncos. Thanks, man. You got it, buddy. By the way, I did pitch to him during the commercial break. Kyler Russell Wilson trade.

He said it was crazy. But, you know, I throw stuff out there. You didn't think it was that crazy. I didn't think it was insane. Well, you're locked into both of their contracts. Yeah. And if the GM, the owner, and the coach don't like the quarterback. in Arizona. What is your solution? Deal with it for four years? The reason people are going to

say it insane is that kind of thing has never happened before. High level quarterbacks just swapping. I don't think that's ever happened. Years ago, the Yankees, couple of baseball players, they swapped wives. I read a book about it. You think I'm, I read about it. I read a story about it. If you can do that, you can swap quarterbacks. Can I tell you how many people at the Chargers game last night told me, are the Jets making the herd hierarchy tomorrow? I said, I don't know. We've got to wait for Cowherd. A lot of people tuning. in for this, Colin. America. I think it's obvious. You know what?

You got to throw stuff out there. I don't care if it fails. Kider Russell swap. Just let it bake for five minutes. Heard hierarchy next. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy. Not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious

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