The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Bronny is entering the NBA Draft

Episode Date: April 5, 2024

Doug Gottlieb in for Colin   Bronny declares for the NBA Draft / Will Lakers take a flier on him?  Do the Dodgers need to win WS this year?   Guest: Jamal Mashburn   #DouggottliebshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What up? Welcome in. This is the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be making as part of your day. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd. Happy Friday to you. Final four Friday. Matter of fact, I'm actually broadcasting from the Final Four.

The men's Final Four in Phoenix, Arizona. Women's Final Four gets underway tonight in Cleveland, Ohio. We'll talk some college. A little bit later on. Actually, we're going to kind of start with some college hoop in a second. But, man, what a great weekend. It's going to be. I know bad weather on the East Coast.

Got some rain in Los Angeles here in the Valley. It is a Chamber of Commerce Day. Get the sticks ready. Get out and hit them. Wherever you are, thanks so much for listening to us. And, of course, you can always download this show on the IHeart Radio app. Jamal Mashburn, the Monster Mash, who, by the way, is like the new junior Bridgman in terms of off the court owning Lexus dealerships and Papa Johns.

He's going to join us. We'll talk about the challenges today in college basketball. His own son is a star. He was at New Mexico. He's in the portal. And we'll get his sense of also the NBA. And can LeBron James make one more? run with the Lakers? Or can the Golden State Warriors make one more run? It does feel like the last

run, especially for the Warriors in this group this year. More on that to come. Clippers took down the nuggets last night without Kauai Leonard. But let's start with the news of the day. And it's not huge news considering the season he had, but it's huge news considering all the other factors. Here's the succession of events. Andy Enfeld was the head coach at USC. He leaves, takes the SMU job at 930 locally. So that's in 28 minutes. I can have a press call.

Excuse me, 1030 local. So that's in an hour and 28 minutes. Eric Musselman, who was the head coach at Arkansas, is going to be named the head coach at USC. And, of course, as is the case with most college basketball players when there's a coaching change. And oftentimes, there's not a coaching change. the current players who have eligibility to return put themselves in the transfer portal. But what we found out about an hour ago was that Brani James, in addition to being in the transfer portal, is going to declare for the NBA draft.

A cornucopia of people who have broken that. I'll give Sham Sharania credit because that's the first one who I saw, but Brani James is going to declare for the draft. Now, again, there's all these different factors. And by the way, this is, Colin is somewhere probably skiing, thinking to himself, wait, there's a story with USC, with Brani, LeBron, and the Lakers. And I don't get to talk about it. That's right. Colin, you take a day off.

That's what happens. But let's be honest. Okay. I said this a year and a half ago. And what happens is you get called a hater when you give anything that's not. overwhelming praise and if you give what I would consider true analysis. Now, look, I'm fortunate to my dad for 30 years as part of the AAU community. My brother's been a college basketball coach for 28 years, I believe.

I have my own AAU program. I know all the players, especially in Southern California, who run these events. I get a chance to, like it's called coaching, but you basically show up and subguise in out at some of these all-star events. So I've seen Brony James play from his freshman year on. And I mean, I couldn't believe he was a McDonald's All-American last year. And I do know that politics have always played a part in those selections. I'll just be honest to myself.

When I came out of high school in 1995, I was not a McDonald's All-American. I was probably on that second line of guys. There was one guy who made it who, it, it, It was always underneath my craw that I felt like because of where he signed, he got to be a McDonald's All-American, and I did not. But maybe the reality was, like, I wasn't even there. I actually got to play in the Magic's Roundball Classic, which is now, I think that's the Jordan brand game. It was, yeah, it's like the Jordan brand game.

And I can tell you, honestly, I only got to play in that thing. There's some politics there. Chonsie Billups hurt his shoulder. So I was a fill-in. But the reason that I was a film was Sonny Vicaro ran the game. Sonny and my dad known each other for 40 years. I was probably on the board line to not really making the – make even being the next guy on the call list.

But I got the call. I got to play. And I had a great time playing it. So I'm not going to sit here and say that politics haven't been a part of it. And even NBA graphics, especially in the second round, we have seen – Janice's brothers have been in the NBA. They couldn't play dead in a cowboy movement. But it is fascinating the timing of Brony James declaring LeBron James having a player option.

Now, I don't think LeBron is switching teams. I think LeBron is all in on the Lakers. And my guess is that when it got a little bit murky in the middle of the season, they probably reaffirmed to him like, hey, we don't think he's an NBA player. But like, look, can we buy a late second round draft pick and take Brani? put him in the G League and call them up once or twice so you guys can play together, that seems reasonable. The problem with it is everything about LeBron becomes on some level a contradiction.

Like when there was criticism towards Brony in terms of how good was he actually, he took to social media and said, hey, just let him be a kid. Like, all right, let him be a kid. Well, you were the one who said he's better than half. the guys in the NBA that he can help us right now. Like that was that was LeBron. He completely contradicted himself. And so if LeBron really wants to let him be a kid, grow, mature, and learn and get better,

like send him to play for one of your best friends, Drew Joyce, you know, who just got to do cane job. Let him go play for a couple years and get better and better and better. And obviously selfishly like he wants to play on an NBA floor with his son. done. That's great. And that can and probably will happen. But has anybody actually asked, is that what best for Brunny? Does that, forget about giving them the best chance to get to the NBA, but to stay in the NBA. Or to, like, do you want to be that guy who everyone knows you're only there because your dad made it so?

Do you want to be the Tommy boy of the NBA? And look, he's not a mess like Chris Farley's, the great Chris Farley's character was in Tommy Boy. But, I mean, he couldn't start at USC who had a very disappointing season in a league in the Pac-12 that wasn't particularly good. And when he did start because of injuries, they didn't win. right so if you're a bench player for USC in a year in which USC finishes bottom three in the pack 12 and the pack 12 is not great this year and now you're going to play in the NBA like we all know and I'd just be honest I think he eventually could be a really good college player and he would actually follow the natural progression of what how it used to be for many freshmen you come in you first got it off the bench

Next year, you start. Okay. And by your third year, all right, now you're on an all league team. And by your senior year, okay, maybe your first team all league, maybe you're the league player of the year. Maybe you got a chance to be an All-American. And then you get done, and then maybe you're a second round draft pick and you try and find a way to make it in the league or you go overseas and you play until you can't play anymore. And you come back and you're some league. That's his, that's the natural progression line.

Now, even to get to that place, it's going to take the right fit because he's not really a point guard. And he also has to change his mentality. It's never really been an alpha. Just hasn't. And some of it is kind of a lot like Alonzo Ball, where Lonzo Ball, and obviously LeBron's dad is infinitely more accomplished. But similar in this sense, LeVar Ball and takes up all the oxygen. in the room. And so Lonzo never really had a dynamic kind of alpha leadership personality, which you can get away with a lot of places.

It's hard when you're the point guard. And the same is true for LeBron. Like LeBron takes up all of the oxygen, all of the attention, and it's in many ways probably great for Bronte because he can just be and be quiet and thoughtful and he has his own friends and whatever. but he is not a dynamic he does not have that leadership that special something that special sauce that quarterbacks have point guards have leaders have now you can learn and grow and gain that but you kind of got to go off and do it on your own but brony james declaring for the draft puts the lakers in that awkward situation are we really going to do this and you kind of have to right you kind of have to. Like, you don't want to do the

FU to LeBron and go like, hey, we're not going to draft your son, but we'll sign him as a free agent and see if he makes it in camp. Like, he declares for the NBA, even though everyone knows he is not close to being an NBA ready player. And we're going to go through this.

Now, I will defend it only in I can tell you 15 guys. They got drafted as favors. That's the, when you're a player and I When I finished playing in college, like I was, when I was agent shopping, one of the things that agents will tell you is like, look, guys owe us favors. Because if you get drafted, again, in my position, one, it would give you a better shot to make the league.

Because if a team spends a draft pick on you, don't let anybody tell you, like, I didn't want to be drafted so I could go pick my team. Like, yeah, okay. If they draft you, you have a much stronger likelihood of making that team because they've invested some. second round draft picks now are worth like $5 million. They've invested in you. But there's been plenty of investments in guys that are made because, hey, I'm trying to do the agent of favor because I'm negotiating with a real player. Or I'm trying to do the player I have a favor by drafting his guy. Or trying to do somebody a favor because of some other reason.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen at many places in the NBA. But I actually have sympathy and empathy for Bronny. He's like, we're really going to do this? I guess. You know? And I know that Antona Kumpo brothers can't play. Like, it's, they look like they're dribbling with their elbows. But we're talking about Brony James.

Like that, it's got to be rough to be Brony James anyway. like he didn't he didn't ask for the negative or even the positive necessarily attention right he's he's not an attention he's not a look at me guy but his dad is setting himself up for I guess it's success because if he does get drafted and his dad does you know what he wants he said hey look I want to do this but this is not Ken Griffey Jr. now hey this It's just not. But that's where we are. And, you know, it does call into question the Lakers and how the Lakers have, at least previously, always been about winning.

And it feels like the Lakers and if they acquiesce to LeBron get to that same place where they were at the end of the Kobe run. And he has more juice in the tank than Kobe did coming off of the Achilles. Kobe heck he told me even his last year it was awful because he knew he couldn't be himself but he had to get through it and then of course he dropped 60 in his last game

was amazing but that's where we are where LeBron James has the power to do this and he has earned that power and many ways earned that right like look dude you play 20 years in the NBA he was what he had 40 the other night

he was incredible It was last weekend against the nets. Like, dude's ridiculous. No, I don't think LeBron James is the greatest player ever. I think it's Michael Jordan. And frankly, I'm not sure that we don't completely underrate Magic and Larry Bird in the discussion of, in their prime, who would you have? But he's on any list of from one to three, four, two, five, whatever.

Like, LeBron James incredible. He's the all-time lead score in NBA history. He's ridiculous. So he's earned the right, but like, do you want to use it to make sure your son gets in the NBA? When no one thinks reasonably he's ready or good enough at this point and not sure he'll be ready or good enough at any point. You know, a great person asked, Joel Mashburn is going to join his upcoming next. Right. His son plays in college.

I just wonder what he sees and what it's like for him to explain. experience being a dad and watching your son succeed and on some levels fail. By the way, we'll talk some Dodgers a little bit later on. We've got a lot coming up. But coming up next, Jamerner joins us. Should LeBron James use that ultimate power and make the Lakers draft his son? I'll ask him next.

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But hockey was the sport of the future then. Soccer's been the sport of the future my entire life. I'm really interested when you have a generational star with all the different storylines. What happens next year? We'll get into that a little bit later. But first, let's welcome. He was a great player in college. He was a great player in the pro.

Rose. He's the Monster Mash. Jamal Mashburn joins us here in the herd on Fox Sports Radio. Mash, how are you? I'm doing good, Doug. Long time, no talk, man. Always pleasure talking to you, my friend. It's great. I want to ask, your son obviously has played Minnesota, started Minnesota and New Mexico. He's in the transfer portal. What's it like to have a son in the transfer portal? You know, he was in the transfer portal when he went to after Minnesota. Richard Petino got fired,

and then he jumped in the transfer portal. Then 24 hours later, Richard got the job in New Mexico, and he decided to go with him to New Mexico and spent three great years with him in New Mexico, but now he's a, he'll be a grad transfer. And, you know, it's a lot different

than when you get recruited at a, you know, when he was 18 years old and, you know, still wet behind the ears and have a lot of experience. But now he's leading the process right now. He knows exactly what he wants out of the institution, what he wants out of a coach and what environment he wants to be.

And so it's a lot of, less pressure for me. I'm just more like a guide more than anything where he bounces things and ideas off of me about what a shit would be and different things like that. So to me a lot less stressful. Yeah, but I mean, when, like he could complete the circle, right? You played for Rick. He played for Richard at two different spots. And he could transfer and play for Rick. Yeah, you know what?

You know, I don't, you know, I think the way I'm kind of looking at is this is all about him at this particular point. You know, it's not about what I would like to see him do or if he can play for St. John's. I think he could definitely help St. John, especially at the guard position. But, you know, I think for him, it's time for him, and the messes I deliver for him to be selfish

and to really pick a spot and to really develop his own lane. And I think the Patino connection is great for me and his dad, me and Rick Patino. But, you know, they've already done that at the University of New Mexico, they went to the NCAA tournament. New Mexico wasn't there in like 10 years. They won the Mountain West Conference. So I think he's accomplished everything

he's needed to accomplish with the younger Patino. And I think it's time for him to find a new place where he can kind of start fresh and continue his own basketball journey. I love that. You're allowing him to be his own man. So let me ask your honest opinion. So Brony

James is in the portal, but also is going to declare for the NBA. LeBron has made it obvious to everybody and said it. He wants to play with Brani. And, you know, the clock's ticking. He's still amazing at 39. But when you hear and see a father like LeBron who has this ultimate power, and the thought is that he's going to make the Lakers draft his kid

so he can play some with his kid, like how does that land with you? You know, I mean, at the end of the day, he has the power to make that happen. You know, I think it's in the best interest of him. I don't know if it's in the best interest of Ronnie's long-term career. You know, I think he has to make a choice on, you know, there's going to be a lot of pressure on Brony to perform, you know, and it really step outside of his shadows. I would, I tend to, you know, I'm not playing now anymore. My name still resonates pretty loudly as far as the basketball.

circles, but I want my son to be his own individual and carve out his own path because there's something to be said about him having complete ownership of his journey, you know, and making decisions, being able to fail, being able to see on his own terms and own choices. So I just would be cautious if I'm, you know, LeBron, obviously he knows a lot more about his son and his abilities and what his capacity is for basketball. I think he's going to be an outstanding basketball player at the professional level. just by all the things that he can do. Bronny can as far as being a complete player.

But if there's his expectation for him to be something similar to his bad, I think that's sending the wrong message. And I think at some point, you know, LeBron James will move forward and move out of the game. And now Brani's in the NBA, you know, what's his identity? You know, it has to be tied to Brony, not LeBron. You know, so I think you have to tread cautiously and lightly and just make sure that he has a clear understanding of how to be a professional,

which he does because he's been around his father for a long period of time. So I just think he has to be cautious and let him really define and figure out what his career looks like. That means Bronny's career is going to look like and let him kind of take the lead with the father's support and assistance. But, you know, if he gets drafted by the Lakers, I mean, that's a heck of a way to start a professional basketball career, I would say. Yes, yes, it is. The Monster Mash, Jamal Mashburn joined us here in the herd on Fox Sports Radio,

and the IHeart Radio app. I want to get into a couple other things, but I do have to ask, this is the era of NIL, right? We're giving kids money, and it's supposed to be for name, image, and likeness, but it's morphed into just paying for kids to come play. Now, you play to Kentucky, and you used both the stardom of your college career

and the start of your pro career, to springboard you professionally. And I know you don't like to brag about it, but there's you and Junior Bridgman are the guys that everybody says, like, man, they are killing it in owning Lexus dealerships and Papa Johns and franchises and all you things you've done in the real world and made real money off of your name image and likeness and all off of your money.

How do you feel about how we're handling the, the NIL era in college athletics? Yeah, that's a great question. You know, my son went to the University of New Mexico, as I mentioned earlier, and he didn't take an IL money. His second year, the offer was on the table, and he made that decision himself, and I asked him why. It was like that.

You know, it's more of a distraction in anything, and I don't need the money as well. So he didn't accept it from the collective. So, you know, there are certain kids that probably need the money, and for family situations, different things like that. And also, because the peers are also receiving money as well. The one thing that I always caution kids about is, you know, when you start dealing in that particular name image and likeness,

is that, you know, make sure you take care of your taxes, you know, pay your taxes and different things like that. And the other thing that I also share with my son is that, you know, there's something to be said about delayed gratification. You know, NIL is great. but, you know, for the now, but how does that help you in the future? You know, does it, does it, you know, you can take money now, but that delay you and getting better as a basketball player,

distract you getting the basketball players to reaching your ultimate goal of being a professional basketball player. So I think there can be some rules and regulations around it. I don't know what those are, but let's be quite honest. I think the NIL is probably a big issue, but to couple it with the transfer portal, that makes it even bigger. Right. You know, I agree with kids that have the right to move in and out of schools

and different things like that if coaches can move in and out of schools. But, you know, I think we're entering a particular place where, you know, in my opinion, this is where the superconference is going to be going to come about because there's not going to be a lot of schools that can put together a collective or come up with money to really pay some of these players and then also take care of the other non-revenue sports as well. So I think we're getting to a particular place where it's going to be the has and have-nots.

You know, you're probably going to have fewer Division I basketball and football programs, and you're probably going to have fewer and fewer non-revenue sports where kids are going to get scholarships but can't get scholarships at that particular time. I mean, because it's got the competitive landscape, the transfer portal, Nilel has really done a, it's become professional sports.

It's always been professional sports. It hasn't been amateurism in my opinion. It's just a different version of professional sport. You played in Final Four, your final year at Kentucky, and it was one of the most storied Final Fours in terms of, you know, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, and Carolina, Carolina won it. What do you remember playing the Final Four? We played in New Orleans, actually.

I remember playing against the Fab Five. and I remember, I think there were 60 or 70,000 people in the Superdome at that particular time. You know, we just didn't have enough to match up with the Flab 5 and the interior part of it with Chris Weber and Juan Howard and all those guys. So it was a great opportunity we had just came off the year before with Critton-Latner hit that 15-footer to win the game and that Kentucky Duke game and then getting to the final four. Unfortunately, he didn't get a chance to win a chance. championship, the Kentucky Wildcats won in 96, but I felt like I was a part of that team because I helped build that foundation of that, rebuild that foundation of the University Kentucky basketball.

You're born too soon, you realize that, right? Like, you were, you were small ball, you would have a small ball five. You should be small ball five, mesh? And you were like, you're like point forward, like point forward. You'd be like point center now. You were just born way too soon. Yeah, things have changed. You know, I was talking with Grant Hill the other day.

And it was probably about a couple months ago. We were chatting. I said, you think that, you know, me, you, Penny Hardaway, I mean, you kick Scotty Pittman to a degree where you started having the small forward, initiate offense, rebound, and running different things like that. And Rodney Rogers was in that category as well. So, you know, we introduced, you know, bigger guys handling the ball, being able to make plays, get it off the glass,

and didn't have to kick it to a point guard. we can actually initiate often. Yeah. Well, that was when we grew up Magic and then Magic. Smith, Steve Smith was one of the first kind of big guards. Then you were part of that next generation where you got to dominated college being a big guard and then took it to the pros. Now you'd be playing the five, though, man.

You'd be down there. You'd be switching five and playing point guard as well. Jamal Mashburn joining us here in the herd on Foxport, Tray. Doug Gottlie filling in for calling him live at the final four. Box out colon cancer. It's something that is incredibly important to you and to your family. I know your mom, Helen, was diagnosed with colon cancer at the peak of your basketball career. Tell me about box out colon cancer.

Yeah, I teamed up with exact sciences and the Blue Hat Foundation to challenge everyone, 45 and older, to get screen for colon cancer. And as you mentioned, you know, my mom dealt with colon cancer in 2001, when I was. I became an NBA All-Star. So on the court, I was, you know, living my dream of being an all-star at the NBA level. And then my mom, you know, who is, I'm the only child, and she's dealing with colon cancer, and she didn't want to tell me. Went up to New York during the season and saw her.

My mom was 5-11, can carry 200 pounds. And when I saw her, she was still 5-11, but she was 100 in 10,000. And, you know, I wish we would have knew about, you know, a screen back then because you probably wouldn't have to deal with some of the health. care obstacles that we had to deal with it at that particular time. And, you know, it's something that's near and dear to my heart. If people want to find out a little bit more about boxout, I'll go to box out, colon cancer.com to get more information.

But, you know, here to share a platform that is something that I experienced, that not only as the person that was a support person, but also how did that have to deal with my mom and what she was dealing with. I had to be the cheerleader. I had to be the coach. I had to be everything. All the things that she was for me, I had to be with her at her time of need. So it was very difficult.

And I encourage people 45 and all that they get the screen for colon cancer. Last thing, Mash, I want to work back to we're talking about athletes. If you were going to talk to one of these guys about how you have unbelievable financial airwithal. Like you just your understanding of it, how do you, if you don't, if you have a family that doesn't come from money and you don't. What would the advice be to tell somebody, hey, here's who you talk to, here's how you start the process of having an understanding of how it actually works in terms of protecting your money, paying your taxes, and then making more money off? Yeah, you know, one thing that I grew up in Harlem, I grew up in projects of Harlem, so I didn't have a lot of financial literacy at my fingertips. But my mother, she was a bookkeeper for the New York City House and Authority. So she taught me about, you know, balancing books and different things like that at an early age.

But she also really taught me about responsibility and accountability and also having a vision of what you want to be in the future. So I often, when I chat with young folks is, you know, I first tell them and ask them, okay, what do you want your life to look at 45 and 50 years old? What do you want to look like? Do you want to look at the same as now? What do you want to look at? Do you want to go back to where you were or do you want to move forward financially? So that's the first thing that I often chat with young people about is let's start with the vision of what you want it to look like and that's work that way there. And along that way, find good people who want to not just be a service provider but also want to share the information and teach you the information.

That's very important. and also have trustworthy and their integrity, they have integrity as well. So I start from there, you know, because I often tell young people as well, you didn't wake up one day at 10 years old and put your name in an NBA draft. It's a process that has to happen.

I go to high school, college, and you have to perform at all these different levels, and that should be the same with finances as well. And I think oftentimes, too, something that I've thought about as well is that I think we need to have financial literacy. Sure. In the school, not just for athletes, but for all people and how to deal with financial issues and different things, how money works, what savings and all these different things and what investments look like.

So I think it should be universal for all people to have financial literacy because we deal with finances day to day, regardless at what level of finance. He's the one and only Monster Mash, Jamal Mashburn. Mash, I always learn something every time we talk. I really appreciate you. Join us on behalf of Box Out Colic Cancer. Thanks a lot, Doug. Always appreciate the conversation. You have a good one.

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No, no, no. on the news. This is the herd line news. Hello, Ryan Music. Oh, Doug. Great to be with you on this morning here in L.A., you in Arizona for the final four. Speaking of L.A., we have the Dodgers taking on the Cubs today

in a little day baseball to kick off a new three-game series in Chicago. All the hype about L.A. entering this season, and I'd say they're pretty much living up to it. Seven and two thus far, leading the league in just about every offensive statistic. And the crazy part, Otani's kind of off to a bit of a slow start. He did finally have his first home run as a Dodger

in the regular season in their last game a couple days ago, but they have even more upside that they could unleash when Otani plays like you and I, Angel fans, know he can play. Yeah. I do want to point out, the Angels are off, angels after dropping their first

too. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey. Take it while we can get it, huh? Put the, they got Put a halo on that one. After the sweep of the, uh, of the rival Miami Marlins in front of at least 20 people. The vaunted. The vaunted.

The vaunted marlins. I mean, like, look, let's just kind of call it like it is. Okay. I, I, I truly, you and I work together, uh, my show. Of course, you, me and Tui, we've worked together for years. I hate the, you have to win a championship or else thing. Right. I do.

But this team has to. to win a world series. They have to at least get to the World Series. That being said. No, I mean, like, we're just to the point now. When you, when it's not just that they have a $700 million man. It's

they've dominated the NL West and they've, they, the contracts are insane. The talent is insane. The sport needs them to win. Look, the sport needs Yankees Dodgers. Yeah. It just does. It needs

Yankees Dodgers. And I love the Orioles. I think, you know, they're a young team on the come up, and they haven't even added Jackson Holiday yet. And the Braves obviously are phenomenal, phenomenal team. But the Dodgers need to win a World Series.

You can't just, you can't be the 90s. Can't. And what's crazy about the 90s Braves is like they had great pitching. Yeah. Which is the Dodgers, not necessarily a downfall. Obviously, you've got to get the bullpen. We'll see what happens with Walker Bueller returns. but it does feel like

you can't be a team that's this dominant, spent this much money and come away in this era with one World Series and that being the COVID year World Series. I just, I think we're all realistic about that. Yeah, no, it's definitely

reached that point where people are ready for more. You know, Dodger fans are as loyal as they come and they'll continue to be that, but they are definitely having their eyes set on a World series or bus type mentality after bringing in Otani. All right, we'll stick in L.A. here, but turn our attention to the NFL.

Your team, the Chargers, looking to overhaul their identity and culture under new head coach Jim Harbaugh. And here's what their new tight end, Hayden Hurst, had to say about it, quote, the mantra of this place, we're going to be physical. We're going to come at you. When you see us pop up on the schedule, it's going to be a long Sunday. Chargers trying to change that identity under new head coach, Jim Harbaugh. Well, you had Greg Roman, right?

Like, have people figured out what they're doing there? Right? You bring in Greg Roman, who, this is going to be really, it's actually probably the most interesting thing about the Chargers is Greg Roman's previous stops as offensive coordinator. Niners when they went to the Super Bowl with Colin Kaepernick, Buffalo Bills when they finally broke through to Rod Taylor was their quarterback

and they got to the playoffs and then of course with the Baltimore Ravens and what we heard from Lamar Jackson was hey this this offense is too elementary right the reason that Lamar can't can't stand in the pocket and make the throws that he needs that he needs to make to prove himself to win the playoffs was the offense the offense was holding him back

when I have Justin Herbert hey they're bringing Hayden Hurst they jettison their two veteran wide receivers and you bring in a running back from the Ravens as well. So what was limiting Lamar Jackson, the Ravens in the playoffs? Was it Lamar or was it the offense? I think Greg Roman's, this is a great experiment into which was it? Yeah, no, 100%.

And it's, I think with a quarterback like Justin Herbert, obviously everyone thinks the world of him, his raw talent and ability and what he can do. And despite all that, he doesn't have a playoff win yet. Obviously that epic collapse against the Jaguars and then last year's disappointing year. So to your point, I think what people are looking for now is he was breaking rookie records. He has all the yards and the touchdown passes. It's to now see him and what's going to be a completely different offense.

What will that look like? because by most expectations and what you've laid out is it's not going to be dropping back 50 times a game and filling up the stat sheet, which is more or less what we've seen from him at this point in his short career. Yes. I did it. Again, I think the whole thing is fascinating. And look, do I think that Jim Harbaugh – and like Jim Harbaal will have some influence on the offense as well, even though he's got a CEO head coach and being a former quarterback himself. and the reason that he made that hire was like you hire people you know

you work with before you trust you respect but the challenge the Roman is like this dude can really sling it as well but yeah I everything we're all saying I think we're all you're looking forward to can the Chargers instead of being a finesse football team can they be a physical football team

can they be a bully it took Michigan a couple years to do it it took the Niners a couple years to do it it took Stanford a couple years to do it but in his three previous stops that's what they've done and we'll see if he can do it again

we'll wrap up with this Clippers brought home a big win over the reigning champion Nuggets they were without Kauai Leonard who missed his second game in a row due to a sore knee Paul George leading the way with 28 points and Hardin adding 20 himself well my thing on the Clippers is this

I'll say the name of the frame franchise. I love Buffalo Wild Wigs. I love you. I love Buffalo Wild Wings. My son, actually, he loves Buffalo Wild Wings. Loves. Like, if you go like, hey, what do you want to Buffalo Wally's? But there's a B-Dubs next to Triangle Square in Costa Mesa. I'm calling you guys out. I've been in there. Every time I'm in there, I'm like, I just can't do it anymore. The server sucks. There's just not enough servers. And the, and the kitchen takes too long and it's just, it's a, the layout's great, it's always clean, it's just about the service. I will go to any Buffalo Wild Wings. Every time I walk in, I walk out going, I won't do that one again. I'm there, I'm there with the Clippers. The Clippers, I think when they're playing well, are the best team in the NBA. But if you can't win this year with Paul George and with Kauai Leonard, assuming he's healthy,

Tailu's an amazing coach. I just, I can't do it anymore. I can't do it anymore if you don't actually win in the playoffs this year. All right, coming up next in The Hurt, the Texas restructured Stefan Diggs contract. What does it mean for Diggs? I think we all know. We'll discuss it next in The Hurt. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite.

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