The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Bronny James' debut

Episode Date: July 8, 2024

2 Pros & a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knox fill in for Colin discussing Bronny James' debut with the Lakers and what the offseason means for LeBron James and the Lakers They look at the AFC North and why Joe Burrow could be in the perfect position to win Comeback Player of the Year   #2prosSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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With people still recovering, most notably our executive producer, Lee DeLap, who is kind of... How's he doing? He's in the midst of a... He's in a state. He's in a state right now. How's he doing?

midst of a battle, you know? He's in a battle. did a, he's in a 12 round slug fest with his lower intestines trying to figure out how he can save himself and the rest of the studio. Lee, are you going to be able to get through this or

what? What's going on here? Yeah, we're going to make it through. I'm going to get through this together. I am curious, though. I mean, we did see the hot dog eating contest, but that actually, the lemonade drinking contest stole the stage. Oh, gosh.

People got to stop. Dude, he was giving up the ghost, wasn't he? The guy threw up everything he'd eaten since he was five years old because he chugged a gallon of lemonade. And people are standing there like it. The weight didn't go anywhere, though. How you throw up your whole life? It's just normal. I was just, it looked like he was still holding on to a lot of water weight.

What do you guys think he is? Like a pool floaty? I don't know. That dude had reserves. He'll be all right. He had reserves. He had reserves. You can get fast for the next season.

six months he'll be all right. Everything's going to be okay. But nonetheless, we are off and running here on a Monday morning. I'm just noticing. Bloop. We're stomach here. You know, I'm noticing a trend here. How come, like, nobody's playing with the Lakers now. Like, nobody wants to say. I don't know. I'm just, what are you mean, Jones? I'm just looking around. I see DeMarre de Rosen is the latest. I'm seeing Clay Thompson. Like, Now I know why everyone was trying to feed you these garbage stories about, well,

you're the father, son, the last name. No, the reason why they drafted Brony James because they couldn't get anybody else to follow them. So I think that's really the reason here. Because it looks like whatever the plan was going into this off season,

everybody's going elsewhere. Everybody's going elsewhere. And now Brony James has got a swollen knee and was kept out of the second NBA a summer league game and then he had Levar was blown away with his two for nine shooting in his first summer league game. No, no, that was Q. Q was blown away. He said he looked amazing out there

in Texas. I was being sarcastic. I don't know because you never responded back. I was like, are you being serious? I watched it. I watched it. He struggled, which that's nothing new if you've seen his game. But he's a young player. He's got time to develop.

He needs to be out there playing though. It's tough when you're not healthy. you can't be out there getting better, but he was exactly what he was defined to be as a prospect. He struggled shooting. I mean, he couldn't even make a couple free throws, but you saw, you know,

the way, at least athletically how he can attack, how he'll try to play defense. The problem is the more time we see him, especially defensively speaking, he's going to struggle. Like, he's going to struggle being able to switch on screens because you can't match up with guys who are going to be 7, 8, 9, 10 inches taller in him.

And that's unfortunately the position that he's going to be in often, be in what, six, one and a half or whatever he was at the NBA Combine. Yeah. He moved around pretty good. He just couldn't make a shot. You know, maybe that's nerves. He missed some free throws. I mean, listen, we've gotten through the initial, you know, he's gotten drafted.

Everybody falls on there certain sides of it. I've gotten attacked for saying what I've said about. If you say, apparently if you say anything. Apparently if you say anything outside of it's a great pick at 55 that you're a hater. And not only did I get he's a hater, but I guess I am not as good at dad as LeBron is and my son isn't as good a player as Bronny is. I've gotten it all. I've gotten it all, which is okay.

It's okay. I don't have any malice in my heart or any type of hate towards LeBron James or Brony James. I just felt like, honestly speaking, if we're shableness. shooting straight. I think we all know what the storyline is. And that's, that's, that's connected to the draft. Now, fast forward to the summer league, there were questions as to whether he was going to even participate, which would make it a first ever in the history of, of the summer league, that a draftee did not participate, but he did. So they got one game out of the way. So regardless of a banged up knee or whatever it may be as to why he may not play again or play at

all the rest of Summer League. He knocked down one game. Let's say that. His movement was good. It did not look as though he did not belong. He looked like he, which I didn't think initially seeing him out there that he would look like he belonged in an NBA uniform. I was wrong.

He looked like he belonged. It just looked as though he had, and be clear, more than any other. rookie out there. Name one rookie that had the weight of the world of their shoulders that Brony James did going into their first summer league game. So I mean if you expected him to be

a world beter going into it with the type of pressure he's had on him, that would have been best case scenario. Worst case scenario, maybe he misses all his shots. OK scenario, meaning you know, it wasn't a failure. It wasn't a great success.

it just wasn't a failure either, was what he did, which is that should be on par for what it was and good for him. He's out of the gates. He's out of the block. So LeBron spoke recently with David Menemann, the Lakers reporter, and just kind of, according to his dad, brawny doesn't share the same feelings about criticism that his dad once did.

I don't know if people really understand Bronte. He doesn't care. I actually cared a little bit when I came in. I wanted people to like like me and some of the things that people were saying about me. It kind of bothered me early on in my career. I let it get to me. Ronnie doesn't, he doesn't give a . He doesn't.

He does not care about nobody. He doesn't even listen to that stuff. He's like the complete opposite of his dad. His dad will say something. Bronte does not care. Like me personally, when I was coming up, I had no choice. I literally had no choice. I had to make it out.

That's the key. I had no choice. I had to make it out for me, my mom, my family. Ronnie has all the choices in the world. So it's like a whole nother. People don't understand how hard that is in the commitment. For him to be coming out of heart surgery less than a year ago, for him to be able to be in the NBA.

The kid is, he's special, but he doesn't care. He doesn't, it doesn't bother. I dig where he's coming from. And for what it's worth, in 2024, I don't think that it's measured or weighed the same. anymore in terms of halves and have-nots. A kid that has nothing and absolutely nothing and has to try to make it by playing basketball or playing a sport or whatever it may be

versus a kid who comes from privilege and has it all and happens to have one of the greatest basketball players ever play the game on the planet as a father. I don't think, and Gilbert Arenas and a couple of guys had this conversation before. I don't think that there's a discrepancy between the two, to be honest. Other than if the kid that doesn't have anything going for himself in terms of family wealth and resources, they have to figure it out.

But you know what? A kid like Brony James, he has to figure it out if it doesn't go well at the same time. So they're both facing the same thing, which is themselves. You got to put it into work. Are you putting into work? Are you getting the development? Are you being what you need to be? so I get where he's coming from

Man Man Man's a lot like that Man Man man doesn't care what people say about him I did I cared about what people said They said that I was undisciplined Or they said that I didn't study It upset me I was called an athlete much of my career It upset me because it's like

Why can I gain and garner The respect of someone who's a student of the game I was one of the biggest students of the game Because I was a fan of the game so I always wanted to understand it. So it bothered me when people said things about me. Man, man is like, it is what it is. So I get where he's coming from,

and I think a lot of that has to do with the way he's raised. He's raised by a guy that has gone through it at the upper level of it all, and now here they are. So I'm happy for him, though. I think that's part of it. I think the other difference is, like, we grew up through an age where you didn't have it.

The reality is today's athlete cannot hide from criticism because they're going to hop on social media. Everyone's got it. They've got to have it for marketing or business opportunities to connect to their fan base, whatever the case is. Great point. So you can't avoid it. And all of what you said is true. But I think on top of that, it's just the day and age for these athletes is they are so accustomed to the criticism that comes with a cesspool. social media that they've got Thickerson.

They're more callous than I think people realize because when we're coming up, man, like when social media came out, we're like, do we're all these guys talking trash. I want to fight them. That's the kind of reaction you had to it because it was so new to you. And granted, it was also probably back in the day of age where people did get a lot of fights, but they kind of buried it wasn't as big of a deal. Nowadays that there's like lawsuits involved,

everything else. I just think it's a different era. It's a different era of athlete nowadays where they have to be able to be mentally tough enough to endure social media the good and the bad. I mean, as much as I'm talking about the negative of it,

there's also the buildup where social media can build people up to be the best of the best, the greatest ever, all those conversations over just one season. And you're like, no, wait a second. We've watched some of these guys in the past do it for a series of years.

Tom Brady for two decades. I think there's just a difference in the way younger athletes today now perceive themselves and social media and their own image and I think they're just better mentally prepared for everything that being a professional athlete brings now. I guess even college, but that's kind of a professional athlete anyway.

Nowadays. I mean, you just got to do what I do. What's that? All right. Just have such a low opinion of yourself that whatever anybody else has says. It's a $10. Yeah, whatever.

That's nothing. That's $10. That's a truth. That's passive aggressive. It's not passive aggressive. It's a truth. You're putting yourself down knowing that on the other side of it, you're like, man, I am the sexiest mofo alive. Dona me or Brady?

You. Brady is. Oh. You think you are. That's the difference. I don't know why we'd go through these fanatics. It's all good, man. I thought I was going to be interested in watching Brony James actually play.

and then I saw a couple of highlights. I mean, the fact they were able to find a couple highlights is impressive. Well, you were going to get highlights. I have no interest in watching him playing the Summer League. Because I look at it like, it's like a buddy that you know is not funny, and he tries stand-up comedy. Like he doesn't open mic night, and you're like, I don't even want to go. Because he's going to find out real quick.

He doesn't qualify to be on that stage. And like, I don't want to watch him go through and struggle and take. because anybody that's got an issue with brawny James has an issue with LeBron James. And that's really where this is coming from. And he's never done anything to where I'm like, well, yeah, like he went out and said, I should be a draft pick, I should be this. Like he threw his name in the hat. He probably understood what the situation was, but you've never heard him do anything really wrong

or anything that should be criticized other than just having the same last name and who his dad is. So I look at it and I go, I don't even want to watch, man, because we know how this is going to So let's just fast track it. Let's get to the good part of the story. And let's just go to the part in the regular season where him and LeBron are on the same team together. And maybe LeBron assists him on an open jump shot. He moves well enough where I could actually see him

in a regular season game. Now, for how long? For how long, I don't know. He missed the second game because he's got knee swelling. We're off to a rough start. You know what I mean? Can we just get to the regular season? Yeah, I'll be thinking I'm glass half empty,

which I am. glass half full today. Who is y'all? Y'all. Are you including Jonas and I in this? Yes, you too. Yeah. I would call you a hater. Well, you didn't say I'm a hater per se. You just said that, you know. Also, can we pause because you did bring up Man Man earlier?

Yes. For this audience, here at the herd, you know, I don't know that they know the backstory of the nickname Man Man Man, or even who Man Man Man is. Man Man is Lovar Errington the second. What a LeVar second? Yeah, and he committed to Penn State. He's going to go play line

ad at Penn State, damn it. Yeah. We are? Yeah, baby. But he's got a lot. I just did an interview on him this morning. And it's like nobody knows who he is. Like they're trying. There's all these interviews requests because it's like, is he being

overvalued? Is he being undervalue? What's his value in the recruiting? The recruiting process, what's his worth? And it's like, is that something that you guys talk about? You think about it. That's 100% something that we thought about going into it. Manman hasn't done any camps. He hasn't done any seven-on-sevons. All he's done is

unofficial visits. That's it. And the end, his official visits. And the reason being is we had the opportunity a couple times to possibly take them out and send them to a bigger school. Modern Day was a school that we were thinking about doing it. But we love the development and the guidance of the head coach Dom Farrar that he's under now. And we felt as though him being under the radar because of his name him being man man so everybody calls him man so he wasn't being called lavar it's like lavar lavar lavar if it's football terms it was he was man so nobody really knew who he was until he started getting recruited which it worked perfectly because it kept him humble it kept him hungry and and he was aware of the fact that

he was going to have to earn everything that he got he didn't start get recruited until this past year. Like right now, his junior year, going through his junior year, generally, if you're a top guy, you'll start getting recruited like eighth, ninth grade. So he's gone through the process the right way. So that's why I'm saying, I can relate to the whole conversation with LeBron and Brony at this point because I do have a second as well. And that's a hard. It's a hard place to be in. And you'll see Q and you'll see Jonas when your boy gets bigger. You start to have different. You start to have different types of emotions and feelings about what their accomplishments, what their achievements are, because you have to balance being a father, but you're also balancing

trying to train them to be successful in the ways that they go about their lives and how they prepare. But then there's the fan. And you should always be your kids biggest fan. So it's like you have to find the balancing point of not putting yourself in danger of being delusional because you could actually be so delusional that your kid ends up being delusional. So I've always fallen on the other side of it. I've been pretty hard on them. I've been pretty hard on him. And listen, I feel like it's working. And I'm sure LeBron feels the same exact way about how he's approached what he's doing with Brony. And for better or for worse, for whatever anybody may think, the guy guided his kid to an L.A. Lakers jersey.

However he got there, he got there. He's in the Lakers jersey. Yeah. I do it was coming to some point. So there it is. He might have hijacked the plane, but you know what? He flew it. Hey, Oceans 11.

They stole pick 55. All right. Hey, they had all that security on pick 55. They got it. I mean, we got here. I'm a pilot, too. It is the herd here on Fox Sports Radio. Levar Erington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you filling

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Listen to Stuff to Blow Your Mind on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your mind. your podcasts. Nazes, gnazs, noses, noses, noses. Uh, uh, but you know about that on them ones and twos. You got problems, man. That's Nostradamus, man. Just so you clear on that. Shots out to everybody out there.

That's a true hip hop fan that knows, you know. That's nasty gnaz right there, man. Oh, Brady used to call me Noxtradavis. What I would make my picks. It's a different one. I actually never, ever in the history of my life, have called you that. You never said that? Are you trying to sit here and lie in here?

No, you were so bad at betting that I actually... It's just... It's almost the exact opposite. Complete disrespect here on this show. This is the herd here. You're talking about Nose. Nostradamus. Whatever.

Nostradamus. The predictor. It is the herd here on Fox Sports Radio. This is the herd. It's Levar Earrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox. In for Colin. Coming up here. in about 20 minutes from now.

We're going to tell you about how somebody who has already made a claim, they have already made a claim that you will never see this ever again in the world of sports. We will investigate that claim coming up here again about 20 minutes from now. Hey, you know who's just kind of sitting back

ready for the NFL season? Just rehab him for him too and them. Oh, okay. Old Joe Burrow. Is he waiting? The boogeyman of Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chief. Wasn't he a fashion show?

He was. He had an interesting look going on. Hey, don't hate. Don't hate just because he likes things outside of football. The back was blown out of his shirt. You know what I mean? That's what I remember from the picture. Hey, when that happens.

My bad. A lot of back work. Hey, when that happens. But Joe Burrow was... It was spinal. There was no back to his shirt. Joe Burrow did talk recently about how having an injury, means that for some reason people kind of, you know, lose touch with who you are and who you

were as a player. Do you think people have forgotten about Joe Burrow? I believe that. That's what happens when you get hurt, though. You don't play football. People forget about you. But again, that's part of the game. You don't, if you're not out there and people aren't watching you, then there's nothing

to talk about. Yeah. So I'm going to give people to talk about something to talk about this year. Well, I'm excited about it. So that was on part of my take, Joe Burrow talking about having an opportunity to come back this year, coming off an injury. And by the way, I did see that he took the Brady Quinn approach back when you were playing. You tried to learn piano.

Joe Burroughs doing the same thing there, Brady. Yeah, that was a little different approach, though. He was doing it more from a rehab purpose. Maybe I was just trying to rehab my mind at that point. You was trying to add that something to that arsenal of them good looks. You pulled that smile out and that hair. Can you start hitting them keys? No, I can't.

Can you imagine, though? He's walking to the room like Bert Baccarach and you start playing the piano. I wish I could have just walked up. I wanted to learn how to play guitar. so I could be sitting next to you, you know? Like, the ugly dudes could get away with being sexy when they play guitar real well. You play the, you know, you play the keys. Yeah, I was incapable of learning, though.

Me too, so join the club. It worked out well. Can't have it all, you know what I mean, I guess. Could we go back really to the clip? I want to point out one thing in the quote that he says. Yeah, let's hear it again. Do you think people have forgotten about Joe Burrow?

I believe that. That's what happens when you get hurt, though. You don't play football. People forget about you. But again, that's part of the game. You don't, if you're not out there and people aren't watching, you know, then there's nothing to talk about. Yeah.

So I'm going to give people to talk about something to talk about this year. Well, I'm excited about it. Did it sound like he needed to burp or he had like a little bit of digestion? Got a little air in his throat. Yeah, he was holding on to it a little bit. Like you're trying to make this big statement, but you know, sometimes like you eat right before one of those interviews. And then you're like, you know, something to think about.

Yeah. You know, like you're not saying it. Yeah, I'm going to get something to think about, man. You know, like a little more, a little more masculine, a little more manly. It's not like maybe a little indigestion. Got like our president a little bit. Anyway, that's that. Come on.

We are on Fox. How dare you. Oh, gosh. But I will say this. We just talked about this in the first segment. And to answer your question, yes, cute, it did sound like there was something going on there for a moment. But people do forget about you. And it's funny because we're going to have news trending.

And we're going to hear about, you know, like you said, one of the legends saying, what he had to say about dynasties, but we live in such a more recency effect society, as you highlight it, through social media and what people are really into. You can lose relevance in one season.

You can lose it in one season because of how much information is disseminated and put out there within one season. You can lose your career over one thing that takes place in social media. So if you're not around, there's somebody that's going to fill in that blank. You know, and that's, I think that that's what Joe Burrow is talking about.

It used to just be you felt like a ghost in the facility. But now because things happen so, so quickly in social media and how news is distributed now, it's very different. It's very, very, very competitive being able to maintain being a main, a main state. guy, a main state name, especially if you get an injury that holds you out for an extended amount of time. There's only two teams that are bigger favorites to make the playoffs than the Cincinnati Bengals, and it's the

Chiefs and the 49ers. So you know what that means? Joey Burrow, he's in contention for the MVP, he's in contention for a comeback player of the year, and the Bengals are going to win that division. That's what that tells me. So get ready. All this Baltimore Raven fanboy crap it's over. Cincinnati's taken over that division. The AFC North is theirs,

and you can book that. No, man. Put that in your noxor, I'm not, I'm not against that take for this reason, because I do think, bro, is special if he's healthy.

I do think there's cause for concern, though, right? I mean, the interesting part about hearing the clip on, hey, he's doing piano to help with his rehab is, how many guys do you here have a wrist injury that do piano to help with their rehab?

Now, granted, he's a thrower, so it's different. and his rehab is going to be more unique than most athletes that have a wrist injury. But this seems pretty unique. This seems like one where from the onset of the injury and even the recovery, the timetable, it feels like he's going to be battling through some things to get back to his old self or maybe to get back to playing at a really, really high level as his new normal. So I think they're set up to have success if he's going to be back behind center

because I just think he'll find a way he's that good of a player. What concerns me, though, is the competition, the rest of the division. I mean, you can say whatever you want about Baltimore, but I think Cleveland, to me, is the team that if I had to put money on it right now, they're going to win the division. That's one of the best rosters in the NFL. Deshaun Watson's had plenty of time to get down Kevin Stifgancy's offense. And even if he can't, even if he just manages, guides the team,

that's enough for that defense, that ground attack, with Nick Chubb coming back healthy, That's enough to be able to get it done. So I think in Pittsburgh. I mean, Pittsburgh, obviously, we've talked about this a bunch. And LeVar, I know you're not as high on them as I am. But if they get Russell Wilson from what he did last year, that's a playoff team with Russell Wilson as starting a quarterback.

Yeah, I think they're a playoff team. I just don't think they're, I don't think they're, I think they're second third in the north. So here's what I ask you is, what were the Bengals ranked last year defensively? They were probably pretty good. Good. 31st. No. 31st in total defense.

Well, that ain't going too far with a 31st ranked defense in the AFC North. We could chalk that up to, hey, the play with a backup quarterback. With that being said, Jake Browning did a hell of a job last year. He kept that team in it. He balled out, and I know Jonas is going to talk about something else. Dang. What do you mean? What are you getting that?

I'm not going down that direction. Well, it was a whiteout at the game. What do you want? Dang. Oh, geez. He had the best press box in the league. I'll just say that. Dang.

Okay. There it was. We'll leave it at that. I mean, he's not lying. He ain't lying. The point is, it's not like you can blame it on a backup playing. Was it Indy? Was it Indy?

Was it Indy? Or was it football? All right. So, Brie, you're telling me you're like, if you were to look at a team to win the division, that Cleveland would be the team that you would look at. That would be... Based on the odds right now, so. Which is crazy.

have those at the tip of your at the tip of your tongue. 6 to 1 plus 600 to win the division are the Cleveland Browns. That's crazy to me. Because here's the thing. If that holds true, if that holds true, I think, I think, look, what are you doing? I think that the Steelers are a mid-tier team. I don't think that they're a divisional winner this year. I think they're mid-tier, so they're second or third.

So if you and betting, if you guys embedding people have the Cleveland Browns winning it, then that means to me, that means to be that Sincere and the Steelers are fighting for four. Well, Cincinnati. So Baltimore's the favorite to win the division. I think they're going to win the division. Cincinnati's right behind them. And then you've got pretty far back are Cleveland at plus 600 and then Pittsburgh at plus 8. Pittsburgh, I feel like Pittsburgh falls into that second space and then Cincinnati and Cleveland fight it out for that third.

And I don't say that as it's a not a successful season for Cleveland or Cincinnati. I'm just saying I think that Pittsburgh and Baltimore, if history serves correctly outside of recency, you're looking at a Baltimore team that should be better. and you're looking at a Pittsburgh team that should be good enough. They've always been, they've been good enough as of late. That's what I'll say.

I'm not going to say they're good, they're good to win the division. I think they're good enough to be at that second and third spot in the north. Let me ask you guys a question. And this is a little bit in the weeds, but there's nothing else going on. Who cares?

I don't know. Jump in them. All things being equal, Aaron Rogers and Joe Burrow have pretty similar seasons and their teams have bounced back years. Who do you think it's comeback player of the year? I think it'll be Joe Burrow. I think it's going to be Aaron Rogers.

I think it's going to be Aaron Rogers. Because they've got more prime time games. And so if he does have that, it's going to be more of the spotlight. You're looking at me funny? That doesn't mean they're going to win. That doesn't mean they're going to win. Let's be clear here. That was going to be time permitted.

That was going to be my other question. because I know we're going to go into whose coach of the year who's in the pipeline for Is it Xerces that's going to get coach of the year? I was going to ask Brady and only Brady can answer this. I was going to ask him like who's LeVar a bigger

hater of? Aaron Rogers or LeBron James? I thought he's going to say at least Russ. I mean I'm a header of LeBron. It's a three horse race. Dang. Russ is probably number one. Dang. I don't like to think that LeVar

is a hater of anyone. Thank you. Thank you. I'm not. just stands on his opinions. Thank you. But I would say at number one, as far as him being critical of, it would be Russell. Yeah, okay, that's fair.

Number two, I mean, are we throwing LeBron in there? Is that you said as well? Yeah, if you want to throw LeBron in there. But LeBron would be number two, probably. Okay, that's fair. That's fair.

And then number three, I don't think he's even actually critical of Rogers. He's critical of the Jets. That's very correct. That is, wow. It's like he knows me, man. I do, man. That is very true.

I'm critical of the hits. Here's my question to you, though. Have you not received backlash from Jets fans? No. I just remember a couple years ago, I got everything from him. I think because there was still hope. I didn't know the whole Zach Wilson thing

wasn't going to work out, and no one wanted to listen, which I do respect the fact they defended Zach Wilson, who was the quarterback at the time, and I got nothing against Zach Wilson. I just felt like he needed a lot of time to develop before he was going to be what they expected him to be,

which honestly he played his best football last year. I think there was still hope when you said what you said, and what happened took place last year was like snake bitten type deal and it's this there's either the quiet optimism where I'm going to get the backlash once they're 7 and 0 or 9 and 0 during the course of the season I'm gonna get just smashed like you don't know what you're talking about ha ha ha JETS jets jets all that stuff I'll get it later I'll get it later from from the bandwagon fair weather fans that's what I'll get but as of right now I think that the hope isn't high enough for them to come after me that way

because there's nothing for them to stand on. You can't stand on Aaron Rogers. He went out after four plays. You can't do it. Won't do it. Can't win with it. You got to show me. You got to show me.

And there's nothing else you can stand on. Oh, you got one of the best rosters. Yeah, you do. Your defense looks really good. Yeah, it does. You improved your offensive linemen. We are. Yes, you did.

I've never seen bad culture offset by dope players or coaching. Never seen it. So if they have a great year, if they have a great year, then that will mean that for me

it will mark one of the first moments where I've seen a decrepit culturally decrepit team actually overcome bad culture. Unless they've changed. changed unless the culture's changed which I don't see that it's been too long

it's been bad culture for too long and if we're looking at how they've interviewed during the course of this offseason with with the whole where's Aaron Rogers today where's there where's Aaron Rogers right okay I mean I found out he was in Egypt you tell me he wasn't throwing

routes to a camel while he was out there they're not doing patting goes James Vanderbeek they're not doing pat and go lines with James Vanderbeek or like Unk from Napoleon Dynamite Out there with the van.

If you really think about it, like going back to Varsity Blues. Ooh. Yeah. If we're going to go there. I mean, was Twitter along with him Catching Passes, maybe? Maybe he was. Maybe they had a cop car, too.

You know what I mean? Just don't ask you. No, I'm just asking. Maybe they just had cowboy boots in and a capoy hat a whipped cream bikini anymore. Maybe it wasn't a whipped cream bikini. No, I was seeing how old James Vanderbeek was. Maybe it wasn't about puking and rallying.

By the way, how could you, Varsity Blues came out in 1999. Hey, he's not even, but Billy Bob isn't even here anymore, is he? I'll just speak, I'll speak for the room. That movie sucked. No, it did. No, it did.

You're not, you're not a high school football star. Well, no kidding. If you were a high school football star, that's actually a dope movie. No kidding. But how could you be a fan? It's super accurate in so many ways. How could you be a fan of the program

and then turn varsity? It's two different levels of football. It's non-alcoholic football. One was college, which was dope. The program was dope. But one was high school. And it just gave you a, and it was like a fun feeling. Like Friday Night Lights was more serious.

It's like, like, you know the book. I read the book. I read Friday Night Lights, the book. Jesse Armstrongstead, one of my old teammates is in the book. Like, he played for what was the team Odessa played? I forget, Midland or something, Midlandess or something like that. Anyway, that was a more serious high school football film. Varsity Blues was just everything fun about what you could remember if you were a part of play.

There were old heads that would come to our games and meet up at Monticello's pizza after the games with their letterman jackets on. They'd be there from 19, from the undefeated, from the unbeat team. There'd be dudes there with their letterman jackets on in there with us getting pizza. A bunch of losers. You call it what you want. We all had our Letterman jacket, so I'll tell you that. All hitting on the same girls. Damn.

You can't hate old varsity blues. You want that ain't old enough to buy beer. Exactly. Well, listen, it is a hurt here on Fox Sports Radio. That'll wrap up our preview of the Cincinnati Bengals and Joe Giro this upcoming season. Come back player in a year. Coming up next year, though, we are going to tell you about how some Somebody who is looking into the future and they're telling you, you are never going to see this ever again in the world of sports.

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Don't forget. All right. Let's turn off attention to the NBA here. Tied in, huh? That's right. Definitely tied in. I got you. The Warriors won't look the same without Clay Thompson, leaving for the Mavericks, bringing an end to their Big Three era

and likely the end of their dynasty. Steph Curry talking to ESPN says we probably won't see another run, like we did in Golden State. I don't think it will be replicated just because it's very hard to keep things together in this league. A lot more player movement.

Me, Clay, and Draymond, we complimented each other so well for so long. We all brought something different to the table. We'll see. Records are meant to be broken, but we will see.

A lot of people said the same thing when Tom Brady and the Patriots were kind of phasing out. It was like, oh, we're never going to see that again. And Patrick Mahal just got like three Super Bowls in like five years or something like that. Got a long way to go, though.

Yeah, they got a long way to go. Yeah, you got to. They're not wrong, right? I mean, the run the Golden State Warriors had, I think it'll be tough to replicate again for a couple of reasons. I mean, one, obviously, it is tough to keep everyone together. But, too, I do feel like their method, their style of play, and what ultimately led to that run of winning, what,

three and four years going to five straight, that was a simple factor of putting together guys like Steph Curry, like Clay, like Draymond, guys. kind of all compliment each other in that fashion, who could shoot the three, stretch the perimeter. I mean, it wasn't seen quite as much in the NBA. Nowadays, it's very common. Everyone's trying to replicate or copy of them.

But for that reason alone, I think it's to be hard for them to be able to have that sort of sustained success. Anything's possible. Sure. A lot of times people felt like, yeah. Anything's possible! Yeah, but... We did it.

We did it. Somebody might come along and... do it, man. I mean, you just never know. I think to your point, Brady, the other thing that some people overlook about how the Warriors dynasty came about was getting Steph Curry locked in on a long-term

deal at a well below market rate because he had injury problems with his ankles early on in his career is what led to them even having the financial flexibility to land a player like Kevin Durant to win those titles while LeBron James and Kyrie Irving were in Cleveland.

So that sort of financial flexibility seems almost impossible to come by in today's modern NBA. Remember when people were questioning, because they basically chose Steph Curry over Monta Ellis, and they were like, God, you really want to go that direction? I mean, Ellis is a great place. Yikes. Damn, man.

Talk about the move of all moves. Yeah, well, it's possible. It could happen. Maybe highly unlikely, but just like Usain Bolt's record, right, in 100. It's highly unlikely, but it's possible. So, Liles is going to beat it this year. Lows is a, he's a beast, man. He said. He said it's awesome. He's a fast as ever. He's like, I'm going to beat that this year.

I don't know that he's going to get it. I don't know that they're going to get Flojo's 200 either. I don't know. They're close, but no cigar. We'll see. All right, we'll wrap up with this in the NFL. Dolphins offense gets a lot of love under head coach. Mike McDaniel. What was that? What? To Tyree Kill and Jaden. Jalen Waddle, here we go. But it's the defense that people have some questions about.

Well, their linebacker David Long Jr. is confident. They'll be able to hold up their end of the deal. He said, quote, we got a lot of dogs coming in. Some dogs are already there. We're just reloading. Guess I'm coming in, too. You know, we are, baby. Top, top.

What happened with Vic Fangio there? I don't know. Because if you're really concerned about that. Well, I just want to know because everyone was, like you couldn't get out of there fast enough. And then you had guys like Jalen Ramsey or some of that. New York now, isn't he? Philly. Oh, Philly. That's right. Philly.

And he helped Philly in that Super Bowl against the Chiefs a couple of years ago. I think he was a consultant. They helped him? Well, you know, tried to. Is that what he did? But I just, I wonder sort of what the situation was. Was he really holding back the defense? And also, is Tua going to get paid?

Are we going to go into this season without him getting a contract? Is this going to get done? Chew? Come on, Brady Quinn. Come on, Brady Quinn. Let's just start off with the defense. First off, I love Anthony. I think they've got all the pieces.

Lovar touched on their first round draft pick. But even the guys like Jordan Poyer, who they signed, who comes from Buffalo, knows the division well. David Long's played a long time in the league. They've got guys. I mean, Clas Campbell's played forever. Literally.

He's coming back, taking this opportunity. So I love what they've done this off season. I think they'll be a contender. Interesting. There you go. Well, there it is. See, you want the answers? Just like that.

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