The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Caitlin Clark is amazing

Episode Date: April 2, 2024

Colin discusses another dominant performance by Iowa's Caitlin Clark and why it's clear she's entered into a new level of greatness He believes he has figured out Russell Wilson's biggest flaw during ...his time with the Broncos   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:10 Thanks for making us part of your day. Nick Wright one hour from now and once again, Jordan Schultz, filling in for J. Mack, surfing in Hawaii with his family and having a great time. You broke a story yesterday. We'll get to that in herd line news. But last night, I can't remember a night as a sportscaster that women, Now, we've seen the United States women's national team, or like Serena Williams. I've seen that a lot in my life.
Starting point is 00:02:35 But women's basketball took center stage in America last night. Both games were great. Completely delivered. You enjoy it? I loved it every minute of it. We talked about earlier this morning. All the different stars. I was really impressed with Juju Watkins and Paige Becker's.
Starting point is 00:02:49 Iowa, LSU was something. But to see USC against Yukon and Gino Oriama mixed things up, that I want to talk about as well. Both games were awesome. and that was appointment television in the women's game. Yeah, gigantic ratings, I'm sure. So Kim Mulkey is the coach of LSU, and, you know, she says things, and, you know, she gets people worked up
Starting point is 00:03:10 about the thing she says, and I'm watching last night, and I'm thinking maybe people should get worked up for the way she coaches. Caitlin Clark's the one person you have to stop, and they didn't at all, like at all, 41 points, 12 assists. She scored her assisted on 67 of 90s,
Starting point is 00:03:28 for Iowa points. I'm looking at field goal percentage. I'm looking at three point percentage. And then it really hit me. People tried to stop MJ too. And Messi and Rinaldo. And people try to beat Federer in his prime and Serena. You don't. That's what you can't do. LSU and they've got really good players, but they had to work for their points. You know, like even stars have to do in the NBA. But I can remember soon. sitting on a couch years and years and years ago and watching the Sons and the Chicago Bulls NBA final. And I was sitting with a friend. And I said, Michael doesn't have the best jumper.
Starting point is 00:04:10 Michael's not the strongest player. He's not the best ball handler. Why is he so much better at 6'6 than everybody else? It looks so much easier. And I feel that with Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes isn't the biggest guy or the strongest guy or the fastest guy. Why does it look so easy for him? That's what superstars look like.
Starting point is 00:04:30 Messy's not very big. It's not the straight line fastest player. Why is it so easy for him? Why does he humiliate other really good players? Maybe it's not about LSU's Kim Mulkey having an off-night coaching. Maybe it's Caitlin Clark. I remember the Ravens losing this past year to Kansas City in the AFC championship, and I thought, run the ball!
Starting point is 00:04:53 That's bad coaching. That's bad coaching. Run the ball. That wasn't what I saw last night. Caitlin Clark beat LSU off the dribble every single time. But that's what Steph does in the NBA. People have been trying to stop Steph, and in his seven to eight year prime, it just didn't matter. Steph always got great shots.
Starting point is 00:05:16 He had off nights. Caitlin doesn't have a lot. The game itself was fast, fun, and fluid. And women's college basketball doesn't look like this 25, 30 years ago. NBA in the 70s, Dr. Jay could do stuff that nobody could do today. He was that great, that acrobatic. But women's college basketball in the 70s, 80s wasn't this big, fast physical, the passing wasn't as clever, and it's something to behold.
Starting point is 00:05:43 That's why the ratings are moving up. It's just a better product. But it is largely driven by Caitlin Clark. And I'm sitting there watching it last night, and I'm like, it's so effortless. It's like that's what Steph Curry looked like at Davidson. Listen, people knew he was good. They had film. They had tape.
Starting point is 00:06:00 They tried to stop him. All this technology is not brand new. LSU is loaded. All sorts of depth and talent and size. I guess you can try trapping. But her head is up. She's a walking highlight. She's constantly in movement like Steph Curry.
Starting point is 00:06:15 Everybody's got a solution on how to stop Patrick Mahomes. And nobody can. Ever. Kobe scored 60 on his last night. You don't think people for years devised trap. and plans to stop Kobe, you can't stop all-time grates. They're just going to get theirs. And what Caitlin Clark does, she not only gets hers, but she gets everybody else involved.
Starting point is 00:06:40 Not all superstars are unselfish. LeBron and Magic, very unselfish. Sometimes Kobe could be a little selfish. Caitlin Clark really isn't. But I'm watching last night, I'm thinking, come on, do a better job. Trap, get it out of her hands. She reads it before it happened. Very Wayne Grette.
Starting point is 00:06:57 Wayne Gretzky saw things before they transpired. It's like Steve Jobs. He saw that you needed the iPhone before you had the iPhone. And I'm watching Caitlin Clark. Good luck trapping her. She can see it coming. She reads it quickly. Like a great quarterback.
Starting point is 00:07:10 She can see the zone. She knows where it's going. She can see it before you're doing it. And the reality is I watched it and I thought, boy, I don't know. I mean, Gita Oriama, who's had the dominant college women's basketball program for 20 years, he thinks she's the best player he's ever seen. Well, he had Maya Moore, who I thought next to Cheryl Miller was the best player I've ever seen. So when I watched her, I felt like this is like, this is like Steph in the prime.
Starting point is 00:07:36 This is like Gretzky in the prime. You can try all the traps, try all the coaching. You know, Gonzag has got good coaches. They couldn't stop Zach Edy. The great ones you can't stop. There's nothing you can do. And the bigger the game, the better Caitlin Clark is. And here was Kim Mulkey, almost exasperate.
Starting point is 00:07:53 after the loss. There's not a whole lot of strategy. You got to guard her. Nobody else seems to be able to guard her. We didn't even guard her last year when we beat them. She's just a generational player, and she just makes everybody around her better. That's what the great ones do.
Starting point is 00:08:17 What did I say to her? I said, I sure am glad you leaving. I said, girl, you're something else. Never seen anything like it. Everybody's got a solution. Here's how you coach against Caitlin Clark. Here's how you... These coaches know what they're doing.
Starting point is 00:08:37 I mean, hasn't Kim Mulkey won national championships that do different programs? When Gino Oriam is like, yeah, that's the best player I've ever seen. Okay, look, he has the best players in the WNBA. If he says it, I believe it. All right, Sean Payton, one of the reasons I always like Sean Peyton. He was a guest on my show a couple years ago every Monday.
Starting point is 00:09:03 And the reason I liked him, he wasn't a cliche machine. He was honest. What do you want your coach to be? A straight shooter or a BSer? And Sean Payton has been very critical through the years of players. Not all the time. He loved Drew Brees. But Russell Wilson wore him out.
Starting point is 00:09:20 And he was saying this recently about, Russell Wilson. I know, I know. He's critical. Let it go. But I thought he said something that we can all kind of learn from about Russell Wilson. Well, I think this, number one, we can't take as many sacks. If you looked at any of the data relative to what it does for your drives, and I think that was a big thing that hurt us a year ago. Yes. Russell gets sacked a lot. The downsized to small quarterbacks really isn't the injuries. By the way, Trevor Lawrence's 6-6 got hurt last year, Justin Herbert, 6.5 and a half, he got hurt. Carson Wentz, Matt Stafford, big dudes get hurt. All quarterbacks get hurt. The number one issue is small quarterback struggled to see over 6-6.6.5 offensive lineman. Tua in Miami is admitted, I can't see everything. Russell Wilson's sack data illuminates maybe why he threw the deep
Starting point is 00:10:17 ball so much. He threw it over the defense because he couldn't often read the middle of the field. Sean Pace is Russell to be the most sacked quarterback in league history. In fact, since he entered the league, he's been sacked a hundred, twelve times more than the next quarterback. And Denver did not have a bad offensive line. It's the first thing Sean Payton fixed. PFF had him at seventh. When he was a Seahawk, he was the most sat quarterback in the league. Last two years in Denver, he's been the most sack quarterback in the league.
Starting point is 00:10:51 and ask any fan, nothing kills a drive like a holding penalty or a sack. In fact, last season, the least sacked quarterback. And by the way, he hasn't had a great O line. Six foot six, Josh Allen. Over the last five years, here's three quarterbacks who get sacked as much or more than anybody. Kyler Murray, Russell Wilson, and Baker Mayfield.
Starting point is 00:11:20 Steeler fans, I think you have upgraded at quarterback, but get ready for some third and 13s and third and 15s. That's what drove Sean Peyton crazy. It's not the injuries. Russell hasn't a bit hurt that much. He really hasn't. It's not the injuries. Average offensive linemen, people are getting bigger. 6'7.
Starting point is 00:11:46 Best tackle in this draft. 6.7 and a half. Russell's 5.11. and a half. Two admits it. Kuyler said it. You got to move around. You've got to create lanes. Sean Payton's not a cliche machine. Thank God.
Starting point is 00:12:01 And Steeler fans, you'll be better at quarterback, but you'll also at various times next year be frustrated with your quarterback. All right. All sorts of stuff going on. A great night of women's college basketball last night. Sat down for several hours, watched it, and enjoyed
Starting point is 00:12:16 all of it. There's a bunch of stuff going on in sports right now. Nick Wright in 45 minutes from now. Dodgers won again. And are they becoming the Yankees and the Braves of the 90s? We'll talk about that. Plus, there is a trend that is freaking people out, fans out about the NFL. And I'm here to tell you, it's a good thing. We're all going to be okay. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. where doping is not only legal, but encouraged.
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Starting point is 00:14:55 last night over the Giants. They won again. And what they're doing offensively, it's through the roof. They lead baseball in home runs and RBIs and hits and total bases. The Dodgers batting average is $2.95. A majority of baseball will hit in the
Starting point is 00:15:11 250s and low 260s. Their average is almost an all-star. The Dodgers are interesting. People grumble around Los Angeles about Dave Roberts, the manager, but let me put some context into it. They've won the National League West 10 of 11 years, and the year they didn't win, they won 106 games. They have some advantages.
Starting point is 00:15:32 Our weather is perfect in the summer in Los Angeles, and players know it. You don't have that searing humidity. Midwest, northeast humidity, southern humidity. It's a cash machine. They draw over 7 to 8,000 more per game than everybody else. Very innovative thinking. one of the sharpest GMs in the sport who came from Tampa. They've already landed Shohei Otani.
Starting point is 00:15:54 Now they have Yoshinobu Yamamoto, and they're supposed to land next year's number one Japanese star. So this is an organization that's on a role. They have replaced the Yankees as the revenue machine and the number one go-to spot. They turn down opportunities to sign great players like Manny Machado long term. Zach Grinky, long term. They'll pass. They get who they want. The only issue, though, is in 12 years of dominating, they have one World Series title.
Starting point is 00:16:24 So where they're the Yankees financially, they're a bit the Atlanta Braves under Bobby Cox, who had three Hall of Famers in his rotation. They were excellent under the guidance of John Sherholz for seemingly ever and got only one ring. But here is where I would defend the Braves and the Dodgers. This is not football. It's not the NBA. pitchers regularly blow out an arm. Did Tom Brady ever do that?
Starting point is 00:16:52 Shaq, MJ, messy? Not really. You go into pro-long slumps in baseball. I don't remember Michael Jordan or Tim Duncan going into long shooting slumps. Or Tom Brady having a seven-game stretch or Mahomes where they just couldn't throw the ball effectively. Baseball's got a randomness. Nobody else does.
Starting point is 00:17:16 You're not going to owe as Atlanta and the Dodgers win when you have the best teams. It's matchups, weird injuries, attrition, it's chemistry. It's imperfect. It's a global sport. They didn't play against each other in college. It's players from everywhere and every kind of conceivable injury and prolonged slumps. Barry Bonds doesn't have a World Series title. Barry Bonds, when he was taking those things, those shots in the
Starting point is 00:17:43 butt and he got big and everything was amazing. Literally, you could not pitch to him. He never won a World Series title. Mike Troutts never won a playoff game. It's okay. It's understood. If an NFL quarterback never won a playoff game, I mean, Lamar Jackson has won a couple.
Starting point is 00:18:00 He got to an AFC championship. He still gets criticized. Charles Barkley, Dan Marino, where's the ring? Barry Bonds doesn't have one either. Mike Trout doesn't have a playoff win. If you look at what Bobby Cox did, A-1, a lot of games for over a decade. If you look at what Dave Roberts does in a sport with unbelievable,
Starting point is 00:18:21 I mean, Walker Bueller was going to be the next Clayton Kershaw. He's been out for a couple years. Like, we're all kind of waiting for him. Now they go find Billy Miller and they've got their players and their prospects. But that's the reality of this sport. It's an imperfect sport. Dave Roberts on the Dodgers hot start. There's no let off.
Starting point is 00:18:39 I think, like I said before, is, you know, that was sort of one, start to the season, the two games in Korea, and then to kind of reset, come back here, and, you know, find a way to win a four-game series against the Cardinals and, you know, start the series against the Giants with Webb looming tomorrow. We're off to a good start.
Starting point is 00:18:58 You know, I'll watch the pre-season predictions in college basketball, college football, women's college basketball, NFL, NBA, by people like me, pundits, or people that are broadcasters. And we're pretty darn accurate. Go look at predictions for Major League Baseball World Series winners. I can remember
Starting point is 00:19:17 working at ESPN and Kirkgin and Buster-only guys that really know what they're doing. Inaccurate. And people come from nowhere. People get hot. Great teams fail. Baseball's got downtime, a lot of time to think. It's just a different sport with a ton of randomness. But this Dodger team, they're built to win it, whether they will or not, so are the Braves, we'll wait and find out. Here is Jordan with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.
Starting point is 00:19:48 This is the herd line news. All right, Colin, let's start in the NFL, the defending Super Bowl champs, the Kansas City Chiefs last night I reported. They signed Carson Wins, a new backup for Patrick Mahomes, a one-year deal. Now, Wintz signed with the Rams midway through last season, ended up starting week 18 versus the Niners, got the win. Colin, this is Carson. Carson's 15 in five years, former number two pick.
Starting point is 00:20:14 Former MVP candidate. Do you like this move for Casey? Yeah, because he's joining Andy Reid. Remember, Doug Peterson left Andy Reid to coach Philadelphia and coach Carson Wentz, so he knows the offense. So, by the way, McVeigh like Carson Wentz, Doug Peterson like Carson Wentz, Andy Reid like Carson Wentz, Super Bowl winning coaches, offensive coaches. I don't think I'd build my franchise around him a bit reckless.
Starting point is 00:20:41 injury prone, but certainly in terms of pure talent in a short list of the most talented backups in the league. So I think the same reason McVeigh went out and got him is the same reason Andy did. He's been in big games. And if Mahomes goes down for a stretch, he's not going to be wide-eyed and in awe. He's been in these big spots. Also, as a franchise quarterback, he wasn't always loved in the room, but as a backup quarterback, it's a whole, you're just a guy.
Starting point is 00:21:09 And I think that car. That Carson Wentz may work. But listen, Andy likes him, McVeigh likes him, Doug Peterson liked him. I think the offensive guys, I trust. They see what I do, which is he's not as good as Matt Stafford. He's got some arm strength, little reckless, gets banged up. So there's some similarities there. But the difference is you can build around Matt Stafford.
Starting point is 00:21:33 He's one of the guys, very much a galvanizer. Not sure if that's true with Carson, but he's a great backup. I've talked to some of his former commanders, teammates, Eagles, and they said there is a misconception about him. He's not a bad guy. He's a specific type of leader. But if you are on that same page and you're willing to acquiesce to a degree, he'll find common ground. Now he doesn't have to do that. Now he's the number two. And sometimes with Wentz, too, I had a scout tell me last year, he's not going to get signed necessarily early because when you're watching him in practice, he might look better than the actual starter.
Starting point is 00:22:05 That's also not going to happen with Kansas City. There's a hierarchy there. He can go be the number two. I like it. It's a low-risk move. Yeah, again, both the Rams and the Chiefs have star quarterback. Right. If you brought him in with a young quarterback,
Starting point is 00:22:16 I don't, yeah. You know. That could be a problem. Yeah. Guy gets insecure. Carson 6'5 can move. So there are certain places that he would not work as a backup, and there are certain places he fits.
Starting point is 00:22:28 And behind Stafford and behind Mahomes, he's perfect. And the guy who's not a backup, Jordan Love, coming off a breakout season in his first full full season as the starter in Green Bay. He spent several years as a backup to Aaron Rogers in Green Bay, and on a recent podcast, he discussed their relationship. We have a great relationship. Obviously, I was in the quarterback room with him, and when you're in that room together, you know, you're there every day for multiple hours a day. So, you know, you build a relationship with everybody that's in that room. We have a good
Starting point is 00:22:58 relationship. And like you said, the comparisons, that's always going to happen. The media is always going, you know, compare everybody in the league and, you know, want to compare all the situations, things like that. So I don't focus. on that stuff, but me and Aaron definitely got a good relationship. I can't like to hear what you think about this. Well, Farrv once famously said, my job is not to make Aaron Rogers better.
Starting point is 00:23:17 Now, in fairness, if you read books about that relationship, Aaron likes to needle and poke. So he was probably annoying Fav, also he was super talented. So I could see Favre like, this guy's annoying and cocky. And it's pretty well documented
Starting point is 00:23:33 that Aaron was getting after Fav and kind of in his face and a little more cocky than you'd think a quarterback would be that dropped in the first round from Cal. Jordan Love, that's not his personality. And I mean, I think he came into the league kind of in awe of Aaron, whereas Aaron came into the league not in awe of anybody. And so I think the relationship, I think it's easier for Aaron to embrace Jordan than Aaron was probably to embrace for Fav.
Starting point is 00:23:58 That's okay. Everybody's got their own personality. But I mean, you know, I don't think all quarterbacks feel like my job is to make you better. But I do think we're all teammates. If I can share something and it makes us better, I like that. I like this, Aaron. Going into last season, I had some people on both sides, Love and Rogers, tell me that they actually had a better relationship than perhaps the media thought
Starting point is 00:24:23 and that that would potentially help Jordan Love get to the next level. Clearly, he's taking that big step and it's nice to see. Finally, to the NBA, where DeBook put up 52, Colin, and a win over the Pell. Booker now has 50 plus in each of his last three games against New Orleans. After the game, he was asked about the hot streak. I don't really have an answer. I just feel like I'm playing the same way. I mean, the crib is close.
Starting point is 00:24:51 I have a lot of family in attendance. I grew up coming here. It's the first NBA arena I've been to, so I know there's some history here. Colin, are you buying Phoenix as a legit NBA title contender? No. And I think Booker's always good. occasionally streaky and insane. He did this in the playoffs
Starting point is 00:25:10 last year. He had about an 8-9 game stretch that was like Jordan-esque. It was crazy. They have been the disappointment in the league for me. They duplicate a lot of things, a lot of mid-range stuff. Not much of a bench. But I do think they're the kind of team that could beat anybody
Starting point is 00:25:26 in a one game situation, but I don't trust them over six or seven. They don't have the depth. They have Beal. KD. can get banged up. I thought they would be much better. I don't know if it's an indictment on KD. I don't necessarily think it is. I just think it's kind of a reality of what they are. Older players, two of their best players are older. Older players are not available, 78, 80 games a year. So you cross your fingers. I wouldn't want
Starting point is 00:25:55 to play them in the playoffs, though. There's a lot of guys that have been around taking big shots and big games. So I wouldn't want to face them, but I don't, I can't see them beating a Lakers. I can't see them beating Denver or a Boston in a long series, maybe not even Milwaukee. And you talked about it yesterday, the West being completely loaded. That's a gauntlet, even as a really talented Phoenix team. It is. Jordan with the news. Well, that's the news.
Starting point is 00:26:22 And thanks for stopping by. The herd-line news. So I was reading this yesterday. So we know there's going to be five quarterbacks probably taken in the first round, right? And we know a couple are going to be busts. We know one of them's going to be a star. that's the average. Two are going to be buss.
Starting point is 00:26:37 And like last year, C.J. Stroud, star. Bryce Young looks like doesn't work. There was the draft Josh Allen star. Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, didn't work. Lamar Star. So that's the way it is. And you don't want to call out anybody as a dud. But I did think this is interesting.
Starting point is 00:26:51 So I'm a West Coast guy. I've watched Andrew Luck and John Elway and Aaron Rogers and Brady went to high school out here. Jared Goff. There's been a lot of great West Coast quarterbacks. We have pretty Mediterranean weather in Southern California. It's a, you know, passing camps. You know, you watch high school football out here.
Starting point is 00:27:07 It looks like college in terms of offensive schemes, very good high school coaching, all up and down the West Coast, smart people. So, you know, I do think Caleb Williams, Michael Pennix, and Bo Nix, have a chance to be really good. They've all got a lot of starts, all hyperproductive. But I saw this by Chris Sims, and he mentioned this. He said, in fact, let's play this on Chris Sims. He's clearly number six for me.
Starting point is 00:27:30 That's not changing. And the pro day, I would tell you, probably confirmed it for like 100% that he's number six. Yes. I did not come away from that pro day going, oh, wow, I feel differently. There's still some eye-popping throws where you go, damn, that's a good one, right? Don't get me wrong there. I got that. But it's still too many throws where I go, what?
Starting point is 00:27:52 Number three pick of the draft wouldn't throw a ball like that? So he's talking about Drake May from North Carolina, who looks like Justin Herbert, Herbert was a much better, more consistent college quarterback more than that in the second. But that's one of the things I have a problem with with Drake May and a little bit J.J. McCarthy. Caleb Williams, Bo Nix, Michael Pennix, 300-yard game, 300-yard game, highly productive. Now, if you have rare, rare, unique physical traits, Josh Allen, 6-6, 250 and fast, Patrick Mahomes, maybe the best pure armed talent in the history of the sport. Tyler Murray, like bizarre elusiveness.
Starting point is 00:28:37 If you have otherworldly physical traits that I've never seen before, that can't be duplicated, then I'm willing to pull back on the production. Maybe you had a bad coach. Maybe you're a small college, Wyoming, Josh Allen. Drake May's big, but he's not unique physically. he's 6-4-2-20. That's pretty standard. Like maybe he's a half-inch taller than average,
Starting point is 00:29:03 about the same weight, five or ten pounds lighter. But he's not consistent. So if you're just the same size, a prototype guy, you've got to be productive. I will look past a lot of things. If you're a singer and you just sound like the late Whitney Houston,
Starting point is 00:29:22 I'll figure out a way to refine it. You know, if you could do what Prince could do with many, instruments. I'll figure out a way to coach it up. You know, Lamar running around, let's just roll the dice on this. This doesn't look like anything I've ever seen.
Starting point is 00:29:38 But if you're physically kind of in line with the league, well, shouldn't you be better in college? So Justin Herbert's comp, and Justin didn't have a brilliant offensive coach at Oregon. And, you know, Mack Brown runs a pretty pedestrian offensive system
Starting point is 00:29:54 at Texas. It was mostly Vince Young making plays. And I and I sort of look at the numbers. Drake May, last couple years, against ranked opponents, Clemson, Oregon, Miami. Okay, it was one and two. Okay, fine, they didn't have the purse now. But he completed 55% of his throws.
Starting point is 00:30:11 That's terrible. Justin Herbert in his career at Oregon, again, not with what we think is, like, you know, Jim Harbaugh, Kirby's smart. Mario Crystal Ball was fine. winning record complete 66% of his throws 24 total touchdowns 5 picks
Starting point is 00:30:29 and that's his prototype so say what you want about Justin Herbert I got consistency I got completions I got accuracy Drake May is not gifted or physically unique he's big Herbert's big but Herbert's not
Starting point is 00:30:46 Josh Allen he doesn't throw the ball like that he doesn't leap over linebackers I mean, if you have Stafford's arm talent or Mahomes, maybe I'd look past some stuff. But I do think there's something to be said like Caleb Williams, Bo Nix, Michael Pennix. I just got massive production. J.J. McCarthy at Michigan had a lot of 160-yard passing games. That's it with Michigan's talent.
Starting point is 00:31:13 And Drake May is a bit all over the map. So it does worry. I think I see the Herbert stuff. and then you start looking deeper diving and going to the consistency. Justin Herbert's last year at Oregon, he was completing 67% of his throws. Well, the PAC 12, what, the ACC's been great? The ACC's been great? I mean, let's be honest.
Starting point is 00:31:34 In the last 10 years, the SEC's always great. The Big 10's been hit and miss. Nobody else has been great consistently. So that's kind of where I am right now. I think we have one great quarterback, Caleb Williams, one great prospect. And I think we got five guys that will be his. good as where they land. I think if any of them end up going to Minnesota
Starting point is 00:31:54 with Kevin O'Connell to succeed, I think any of other guys go to New England, they bomb. There's just no players. They're all, all these guys, I think, would whiff in New England. Almost all of them would work with Sean Peyton or Kevin O'Connell. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd
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Starting point is 00:34:48 It's week two of the United Football League as the Houston roughnecks take on the D.C. defenders. Spring just got stronger. The hard-hitting action continues Sunday at 4 Eastern on Fox. Yukon beat USC and as you saw Iowa beat LSU
Starting point is 00:35:05 Women's Basketball last night, four games, four stars. Paige Becker's, Ju-Jew Watkins for USC a freshman, Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese. The men's tournament had 68 teams, one star, Zach Edy.
Starting point is 00:35:21 The women, four left, four stars. So it doesn't matter what it is. Tiger Woods changed Sunday afternoon television viewing. And then at night, James Gandalfini did it for the Sopranos. It's the reality. Major League Baseball had a no-hitter last night. Nobody's talking about it. Outside of the city, it happened.
Starting point is 00:35:41 It's the reality of LeBron James and now Steph Curry, and they're praying in the NBA that a Luca or a Yokic can have that star power. I don't know what defines it. Tim Duncan was great. People thought he was boring. Caitlin Clark is not boring. She moves the meter. She is a unique shooting range.
Starting point is 00:36:02 Her shooting range is basically, hey, somebody calls you, I'm on my way to the arena to watch a basketball game. That's her range. I don't know what it is. It's unlimited. She takes shots that are almost weird. so far out. But I watched Mission Impossible. I wouldn't
Starting point is 00:36:19 without Tom Cruise, and I watched Jason Bourne. My wife loved it. It's because I'm at Damon. I don't know what makes a star. Hollywood's failed multiple times, and that's their business trying to create one. David Stern was a marketing genius after Michael. He couldn't find one until Shaq, Kobe.
Starting point is 00:36:35 I don't know what it is, but it is, and Caitlin Clark has it. And it just changes everything. I think it's funny people last night trying to kind of break down. I can't believe Kim Mulkey's coaching. Do you think people are not trying to stop Luca?
Starting point is 00:36:51 He gets his shot every time down the floor. You can't change Luca's pace, Yokic. You can't stop him. Everybody's trying to change, change Luca and Yokic. They're like, they're not super athletic. Let's do this. They are the pace. They don't set the pace of the game.
Starting point is 00:37:08 They are the pace. They just play at their own pace. You can't speed up Luca. You can't speed up Yokic. Caitlin Clark's the same thing. all those athletes on the floor. She's just better. And again, I've seen a lot of great athletes.
Starting point is 00:37:20 I've seen Hollywood. I've seen leagues try to create it. You can't. Some people have star power. I mean, Shania Twain years ago, for a brief time, just had it. Swift, she's got a good voice. Superstar. I don't even know.
Starting point is 00:37:42 She literally came to L.A. she sold out SoFi 7 straight concert. I don't, I think Taylor Swift, does she have Whitney Houston's voice? I once saw Whitney Houston on stage. She had a great voice. Wasn't a great performer. Taylor Swift has a really good voice. She's an amazing performer.
Starting point is 00:37:59 I don't know what it is. People try to create it. Agents do marketing people. Very few people have what Caitlin Clark does, which is unique, relatable, consistently there for you. Did you really think a guard out of Davidson? Right now, Steph Curry moves the needle during the playoffs more than any player. A kid from Davidson, whose dad could shoot but wasn't a dynamic player. I don't know how to explain it.
Starting point is 00:38:26 He's not the biggest. He's not the fastest. He's not the strongest. He's just unique. He's relatable. He's likable. You buy his shoes. My son doesn't like sports, and he knows Steph Curry.
Starting point is 00:38:35 He's his favorite player. And I just thought last night was a remarkable moment for women's basketball. and I think it really came down to Star Power. I think it's just great for the sport, just being able to be a part of history. Like I said, no matter which way it went tonight, I know this was going to be a night for the ages. And just being able to be a part of history is great. Playing against another great player, of course, it's always amazing in our viewership going up. And I'm sure so many different people watched us.
Starting point is 00:39:07 Now, I mean, I will say this, men's college basketball, and this has been an ongoing problem. the last TV changer was Zion. He was in the 2019 draft. It's 2024. Zach Edie's not changing ratings. The Big 10 schools always get good ratings. Zach Edie's not moving them a lot. But he was the biggest name in the tournament.
Starting point is 00:39:25 And he's the most unique size, unique player, unique game. But I do think the NIL is now helping. Everybody complains about it. It actually may save men's college basketball. Because you can now pay young guys who are going to go to the pros. And you can pay them as much. some instances, a Kentucky, a Duke, a Carolina could pay as much. An Ohio State, they could pay as much as a G-League.
Starting point is 00:39:49 And so I do think that's an advantage. But I will say, Star Power, I can't explain it. I don't know what it is. Caitlin Clark is a comet. I mean, I knew she was good last year. This year's crazy. I don't know what the ratings were last night. I probably got $6.5 million.
Starting point is 00:40:05 It was on cable. It wasn't on broadcast. So it probably down to about six and a half would be my guess. If I'm wrong, you can tell me, Jordan. it's just, it's a phenomenon and they don't last forever. So when they do, set your sport and yourself up for life through Gatorade, Nike contracts, because it's something to behold. So I saw this, everybody's freaking out about this.
Starting point is 00:40:26 Everybody last year freaking out about it when the NFL put a playoff game on Peacock, a streaming service. So I'll just give you a heads up on my viewing habits. During the fall, Labor Day to about February 20th, I watch NFL and college football. That is 99% of what I watch. Little news, maybe in an election year, I watch some election stuff. And then when the season stops, until the next Labor Day, I go heavy into streaming.
Starting point is 00:40:56 I do more traveling. I have more time off. I get in a plane. I download an Amazon Prime, a Hulu, an Apple. I just watched the Steve Martin documentary. I'll watch the Martha Stewart one here as I fly to Chicago this weekend. So it's six months of streaming, and then it's six months of, you know, linear television. And so the NFL is now, Amazon on Thursday night, is moving into streaming and people freak out.
Starting point is 00:41:24 So here's the thing to remember about that, because an NFL owner, Jeffrey Lurie, came out yesterday and said, they're not leaving TV, and he's right. First of all, one of the smartest things the UFC ever did, they grabbed a night. Saturday night is UFC, especially outside of the football season. They grabbed a night, mostly in Vegas. I've said this before. Winter baseball games on? Every night.
Starting point is 00:41:49 Basketball, hockey, every night. That powerful 10 a.m. Pacific, 1 a.m. Pacific, 4 p.m. Pacific, NFL Sunday number and Monday night football. It's been going on forever, my entire life. My entire life, that's when the games are on. They own Sunday and Monday night in the fall. And that's really, really, really important. And they're not going to give that up. I'll say it again.
Starting point is 00:42:16 That to me was one of the smartest moves by the UFC. All our big fights Saturday night, mostly in Vegas. They own a night. But the NFL is going to seek growth. They're not baseball. So, like, the media loves Adam Silver. They treat them like the greatest commissioner of all time. Keep it all his eggs in one basket.
Starting point is 00:42:37 One network, two networks, cable. So the NBA games are all on cable. That's not great. Cable TV's been eroding for eight to ten years. I'm on it. I see it. I know it. The NFL is like a good fund.
Starting point is 00:42:53 It's diversified. It's got international funds. It's got currencies, blue chip stocks. They're on cable. They're on linear. They're on Amazon. They're going to Brazil. The NFL.
Starting point is 00:43:06 to me, Roger Goodell, because he's got so much power, and the NFL doesn't need the media. The media doesn't like him as much, whereas baseball and the NBA kind of need the promotion and marketing. And so it's, oh, Adam Silver. And I got nothing against Adam Silver, but he is not addressing this load management. It is a problem when you go on a Friday and Saturday night and stars multiple are sitting. It's a problem. Address it.
Starting point is 00:43:32 And I also think they put all their games on cable. That is a problem. So I think Roger Goodell is the best commissioner. I think he's the smartest. He adapts. He evolves. But I do think the NFL considers itself a TV show. And there is just nothing like Fox and CBS and Monday Night Football and those big games on television.
Starting point is 00:43:57 The audience for sports, especially football, is older than it is. That for soccer or the NBA, I'm right in the demo for the NFL. and I don't want to be chasing around streaming. Baseball, by the way, will take a dollar from anywhere. The knock on baseball's always been. There's a saying in sports, basketball thinks of it first,
Starting point is 00:44:18 baseball makes the most money on it, and the football gets it right. And the football gets it right. Roger Goodell gets it right. They're not going to leave. They're going to have Amazon in the mix, and they'll put a game on Peacock or Hulu. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:44:34 But, I mean, baseball is ridiculous. In any 10-game struts, the Yankees will be on four or five different channels. That's not good for fans. By the way, most of the Thursday games stink. It's like Carolina Panthers are on it a lot. So it's not like they're putting the greatest games on Thursday night football, but people freaking out about this, this is what the NFL does. They understand their audience.
Starting point is 00:44:58 They're not leaving television. They're not leaving Fox. They're not leaving CBS. But they're going to adapt. They're not going to be baseball and take 50 years. to figure out replay. They're going to adapt. They're going to be first in.
Starting point is 00:45:11 Again, the saying has always been, basketball thinks of it first. Baseball make the most money on it. They're obsessed with that. And football gets it right. So all this streaming concern is Jeffrey Lorry of the Eagle said, we're not leaving TV. They're never going to put a Super Bowl on streaming. They're never going to do it.
Starting point is 00:45:29 Not in my lifetime. They're not going to do it. They'll put an occasional Saturday playoff game on. They're not going to put a conference championship. on streaming. They don't put their best games on Thursday night with Amazon. They're not going to do that. Take a deep breath.
Starting point is 00:45:43 Nick Wright is around the corner. So last night was a night, women's college basketball. Next weekend, Yukon will wrap it up for the men. I'm sorry, but Dan Hurley was on the show yesterday. That team is a powerhouse. We may not have a lot of stars, but we have a program in men's college basketball right now. Yukon that is averaging 25-point wins. I don't know if they're historically great,
Starting point is 00:46:09 but they could have certainly played with those teams back then. Upper classmen, NBA guys, great coach, rebounding, physicality, culture. It all works. Nick, right next. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.
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Starting point is 00:46:50 Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.
Starting point is 00:47:13 Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that experience.
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