The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Caitlin Clark makes people watch

Episode Date: April 8, 2024

Colin defends Caitlin Clark's greatness despite losing in the National Championship game again and ending her college career without any titles The Washington Commanders are looking at Jayden DanielsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's great to have him in today where Colin Wright, where Colin was wrong one hour from now. Caitlin Clark sort of a lot of times athletes ride a wave to the beach. She was the wave. She was the momentum and the announcement. inertia and she sort of carried all of us on this magical ride, which ended up short. But, I mean, you were on vacation. Everywhere you go, I was at an airport yesterday. And the first half, I was waiting to get on the plane.

And I looked around, and I walked around where I was sitting waiting to get on the plane. Everybody, whether it was Fubo or whatever device it was, everybody was watching that game. I've walked around during a World Series game. I've walked around during a NBA Finals game. Not every TV's on. Every TV was, I don't know what the number will be, but every, in the airport, the whole airport in Chicago was watching it. The only time we turned on a TV during spring break was to watch the Caitlin Clark LSU game poolside, like 25 people, two TVs. It was crazy.

Like, people are obsessed and rightfully so. Yeah. Well, the better, deeper team, South Carolina won yesterday. At one point, they had a 30 to nothing advantage in bench scoring. the better team generally beats the iconic great star. I suspect tonight Yukon the better team will beat the star Zach Edie and Purdue. Caitlin Clark plays like Steph, but Steph got great players around him, Clay, KD, and Drayman. Her career is more like Luca in Dallas.

Is Kyrie enough? A remarkable score, but having to carry a little too bit much of the load against the truly great teams. and South Carolina is the Yukon or Pat Summets, Tennessee now. They're really, really good. MJ never forget this. The best basketball player, many believe, ever, could never get past Larry Bird and the Celtics, could never get past Isaiah Thomas and the Pistons,

until he got Phil Jackson, a great coach, maybe the greatest coach, and he got Scotty Pippen, the greatest Robin ever in the NBA. LeBron in Cleveland, the first iteration of Cleveland, he got to the finals and got destroyed, swept by San Antonio.

The better team. the better coach, the better supporting cast. Individual greatness could be Tiger Woods or Serena has no ceiling. You don't rely on others. Maybe a caddy or a coach, but it's about you. But Cristiano Rinaldi, perhaps the greatest soccer talent of my life with Portugal's talent is not going to win a World Cup. Give him French talent, Germany talent, give him that level of talent surrounding him.

He probably has multiple World Cups. Do not doubt, however, Caitlin Clark. Mark's remarkable talent. She has the qualities we love with basketball stars. Scores quickly, scores a lot, real toughness, the vision, the ability to elevate others. But her career at college ends, like many icons do before they get a pippin. Kobe's career was stalled. Then he got Powell Gasol.

The better team beats the icon without great supporting staff. Caitlin Clark, though, the story here is bigger than that. She carried a lot of things over the last couple of months, largely women's basketball, the state of Iowa's economy, and my guess she will have an impact in the WNBA. I doubt it's this significant, but she will have an impact. And certain people, men and women, whatever it is, you see it sometimes in movies, in Hollywood,

but that's often make-believe, and this was very, very real. It is almost a magic dust. Is it invincibility, relatability, connectability, or just lots of ability? Whatever it is, it was bigger than basketball.

Caitlin Clark sprinkled that dust over all of us, and here's what they said after. There's not a regret in my mind of how things went. I'll be able to sleep every night, even though I never won a national championship. And I think that's the thing about everything I've done is like there's so much to be proud of I don't sit and sulk about the things that never happened I just you know my mom always taught me like keep your head high be proud of everything that you accomplished and you know I think I'm still hungry for a lot more too I want to personally thank Caitlin Clark for lifting up our sport she carried a heavy load for our sport and it just is not going to stop here on the collegiate tour but when she is the number one

picking the WMBA draft. She's going to lift that league up as well. So Caitlin Clark, if you're out there, you are one of the goats of our games that we appreciate you. A lot of athletes, even

great ones, ride the wave. Caitlin Clark was the wave. All right, I've been told the Washington commanders right now, as of today, would choose Jaden Daniels, LSU quarterback, as their top pick.

And going back and forth. I'm told they believe he's more consistent than Drake May. He is quicker, more mobile than Drake May. An offensive coordinator at Cliff Kingsbury, who will have some saying this, has had multiple quarterbacks in his college and pro coaching career that play like him. Quarterbacks like Jately Daniels, Jaden Daniels are important. They're very hyper-mobile, right?

And that matters a lot. Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, Lamar Jackson, as you're trying to figure out the sophisticated NFL pocket and all it asks, it gives you a couple of years to pick up first downs and move the sticks with your feet. Even Patrick Mahomes acknowledged the light didn't truly go on until year three, but the ability to move. Washington's got a bad offensive line, pick up first downs with those feet as you're learning the game is important. He is not perfectly sized. He's a bit spindly for me, 6.3, 6.3 and a half and 2.10. And it is a bit of a concern. But in the NFL, you can't be paralyzed by perfect.

I remember listening to draft experts tell me that Justin Herbert was just too mechanical. Yes, he is mechanical. That is his one flaw. He's a bit mechanical. He could be more creative. He's also 6.5.2.30 with a huge arm and can move. draft him. You know, when you get relationships,

could be a girlfriend, boyfriend, marriage company, there's no perfect. Stop seeking it. Stop nitpicking. Jaden Daniels is really good at Arizona State. He's better at LSU. He gets better every year. You need a quarterback.

If you look at the top quarterback prospects coming out of college, they had red flags. I mean, Josh Allen was inaccurate. Patrick Mahomes was wild. He was one of those big 12 air raid quarterbacks and none before him had worked. Justin Herbert was mechanical. Some were asking about Lamar Jackson.

Is he an NFL quarterback? And these are the top guys. Forget the third, fourth, and fifth round guys. The top guys. It's very rare when you get a Matt Stafford and everybody's like, yeah, big arm, big arm, wins a lot, accurate and productive. Even Joe Burrow.

People wonder, can he push the ball down the field? He's done just fine doing that. His big issue now is hell. So Aaron Rogers, I'm reading part of Eno Connor's new book, which comes out in September on Aaron Rogers. One of the reasons he fell in the draft, people thought he was too arrogant. Yes, sometimes he is. He's also got a trophy, and that's what everybody's trying to do here. So there's other things to consider.

If you have the number to pick and you have a defensive head coach, and Washington does, defensive coaches hate turnovers. Jayden Daniels doesn't turn the ball over. Last year, he had a 10-to-1 touchdown interception ratio. he does not turn the ball over other thing to think about Washington's got a very weak offensive line

well pocket quarterbacks like a Jared Goff you see how good he is in Detroit with a good line or in the Rams when they had Andrew Whitworth you saw him before Andrew Whitworth arrived in Los Angeles and the O line was bad Jared Goff was ineffective so bad old line mobile

quarterbacks matter TD interception ratio fantastic defensive coaches like that the offensive coordinator, his work with several college quarterbacks that have had this style and been effective. And again, he just keeps getting better. That is a real

thing. So I'm told right now today, that is who Washington likes. It works with his mobility. He doesn't turn the ball over. He's coachable and keeps getting better. Right now, Washington, Jaden Daniels at two. Good stuff today. I tell you that Caitlin Clark story is fun. A lot of times

selfishly, whenever I watch sports, I think about how does it benefit my show? Because I'm on the air for three hours a day, 15 hours a week, you can do the math. I have to fill a lot of space. And one of the things I've said, even though I don't necessarily love it for the sport, if the NFL extends to 18 weeks and a second buy,

it'll take me all the way to NFL free agency. Seasonal end, I'll talk about the Super Bowl, I'll take a week off, I'll come back, there'll be 18 NBA games left. It makes my job easier. I hope women's basketball rides this momentum and we can mix it in to our March topics. I'm always looking for stuff outside of the NFL that moves the needle.

It's why I love the PAC 12 converging with the Big Ten. So I get USC, Washington, Oregon, UCLA, along with Ohio State, Wisconsin, Michigan, Penn State. I get all those brands in one conference. I get Texas, Oklahoma in the SEC with Bama, Georgia, LSU, and Florida. I'm looking for big. and the more topics can fill a show. So anybody that fights fun or fights momentum, Caitlin Clark is great for sports,

great for Iowa, great for the WNBA, great for my business. So selfishly, it's fantastic that we have this tsunami of TV ratings for a sport that got him back in 83 with Cheryl Miller, and then it's always been, you know, from a sports talk show radio host, TV host, eh, it's kind of disposable.

You talk about it. I would love to have 10 segments, multiple leads in March, April every year on this sport. And the other thing about women's basketball that men's college basketball over the last decade has lost. It gives you chemistry and it gives you continuity. It gives you stories that are repeating. Remember, 90% of the money in Hollywood is remakes, right?

Like this was a remake. It's Iowa gets there and loses. And the LSU Angel Rees story. We all get caught up on this. the wrong stuff. Angel Reese. She talked a little trash. She got a little heat. She's going to be great. She's fine. But the bigger story was it was a rematch in boxing, UFC, Hollywood, sports. We like rematches. You argue and fight them, but there were so many things that worked. I hope this is what March and April look like. Both the men and women's college basketball

programs can be big topics. I mean, Colin, we talk about the industry a lot and how it's changed significantly in the last 30 years. Do you know how hard it is to get people? to turn on a television in 24. You got TikTok, YouTube, streaming, service. There's so many options, video games. Yet for Caitlin Clark, people are actively seeking out the game

turning on a television. That says something when, by the way, the Yukon team, some of these Yukon players taking jabs, the old old W, they were getting like 2 million viewers for the championship game. When they were undefeated, like 39, I know, 2, 3 million viewers. Caitlin Clark is pulling 7, 8 times that number. She gets

people to turn on a TV. We haven't seen that in women's sports ever. Tiger Woods got me along with the Sopranos to change how I viewed Sunday television. Right? Like Tiger Woods move people to Sunday. I would be

out usually doing things. And I was like, oh, it's 2 o'clock. Tiger's making the turn. We got to watch. There's very few athletes that had. Gretzky made hockey for a short time, like cover of Sports Illustrated when it mattered. Lead in the news when it mattered.

bigger than basketball. Like there are these athletes and a lot of its greatness, but there's a magic dust. I mean, daytime television eroded. Oprah didn't. She grew. Whatever it is, is it invincibility, connectability, you know, a lot of ability.

Whatever it is, I don't know what the it factor is. Part of it is obviously a great player. But there's a lot of great players in the Emmett. KD's a great player. He doesn't move TV ratings. Steph Curry's a great player. He does move TV. ratings. So it's hard to explain what it was. The first time I ever saw this in my life,

and I didn't know what TV ratings were, but when I was a kid, Muhammad Ali. He was lyrical, he had poems, he was his style, he was good looking. It's just hard to explain what it is. And people, I mean, I've been trying to figure out kind of what it is, but I've seen it happen about once a decade, you get this magic dust sprinkled on a sport. And it's like, it's just join the wave. Have fun and watch it. Be sure to catch live. editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1,

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Great college football coaches. Debo Sweeney can change your life in three or four years, the arc of it, the direction. Nobody's changing anything in six months. And those wildcat recruits, let's be honest, they would have been their basketball prodigies. Had they gone to Kansas, Syracuse, Yukon, they'd have been rich in the NBA as well. What I found out about Calipari, he's got a vision, it worked briefly, it doesn't work anymore. You can't win with 18-year-olds facing Yukon and, Purdue and Carolina's 23-year-olds.

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This is the herd line news. Let's start with the Dallas Cowboys, Colin. I guess something went down over spring break while I was gone, but Micah Parsons, there's some stuff happening in Dallas apparently. So, Shan Sharif of 1053, the fan in Dallas, says Micah Parsons has worn thin on people within the franchise. I have heard from way too many people this offseason, way too many. I'm talking about at least four different people that Micah has worn thin there. I've heard from way, way, way, way too, from way too many people.

If Michael Parsons was out of there, there'd be a decent amount of people inside the Ford Center at the Star in Frisco, So smiling or breathing a sigh of relief. That is my hot take. Well, listen, Jimmy Johnson traded Herschel Walker. At the time, we thought you could not win in the NFL without a great running back, and it is regarded as the greatest heist in pro football history. You could get two ones for Michael Parsons. As the league moves offensive, again, I'll just throw it out there.

You fall in love with football players. Outside a quarterback, none are worth more than a point. If somebody gave me two firsts for Michael Parsons, I mean, you better start hitting on draft picks because you're going to have to pay CD Lamb and DAC a fortune. And I'm not saying you have to move him. He's an edge rush. But I have watched in the NFL,

people fall in love with non-quarterbacks. It's not winning in Super Bowls. You win Super Bowls two ways in this league, with a top six quarterback, or a quarterback in a rookie deal, where you can load the franchise up. Highest paid receiver, highest paid edge rusher,

does not win Super Bowls. And if you're the Dow's Cowboys, isn't that the standard? Steelers have had T.J. Watt for years. How's it working? Miles Garrett and Cleveland. How's it working? I'm just saying, if this is true, can you not consider it?

The idea that players are untieeat, even top quarterbacks, if you look at Kirk Cousins' numbers over the last, Go look at Kirk Cousin's number over the last five years. He's second to Mahomes in multiple stats. They moved off him. There's only two ways to win the Super Bowl. Superstar quarterback, there's six of them.

Stafford, Mahomes, you know, Lamar, those kind of guys. There's six of them. Or a quarterback on the rookie deal like Houston's doing, and you load up for about four years. And I know it sounds crazy. T.J. Watt. Best edge rushers today. Max Crosby. T.J. Watt. Miles Gareth.

So if Micah Parsons says, I want to be the highest paid defense, edge rusher in the league, you say, if you're Dallas, I say no. I say, let's sit and have a meeting and talk about it. I like Micah Parsons. I think he's tremendous. But this is not the NBA or international soccer, where there is no replacing Messi. You know, there is no replacing LeBron in his prime. There is none.

The problem is it's, you can just say, oh, well, you need a quarterback. Okay, well, good luck finding one. And listen, they could be moving on from their coach after this year. They could move on from DAC. And then, like, is it an attractive job if you don't have Micah Parsons and a couple of tent pole players on that roster? Be very, this is not Caitlin Clark at Iowa, where the TV ratings would shrink. She literally is Iowa Women's Basketball.

This is Dax team. This is a GM quarterback coaching league. Yeah. I wonder how much better do the cornerbacks look on that team? Remember, Diggs had a moment. the kid Bland was exceptional. How much better do they look because Micah Parsons is in the quarterback's face on every position? Like, I am not in any way trying to prove that Micah Parsons isn't great.

I am saying somebody would give you two first round picks for him. Yeah. I'm not saying he's not great. But I do think Dallas has big questions to ask. Jerry loves DAC and they have to pay CD Lamb. DAC without CD Lamb is a C plus B minus. So it's like, if you're going to pay DAC, and Dack has a lot of leverage,

if you go look at his contract, he's got all of it. No trade clauses, then you may have to consider getting two first-round picks. Cowboys have never been a terrible draft team. They do draft pretty well. So the other leg of this is Des Bryant has weighed in on Twitter, Des Bryant former Cowboy, and he's saying that this is because it's time to pay Michael Parsons

and the Cowboys are doing some, what's the phrase that they use where it's like reverse psychology? Oh, Michael Parsons is a person. problem. We don't want, you know, like putting it out there that, man, this guy's kind of a problem. We don't want to pay in that much trying to depress his value a little bit. Well, Des Bryant was a pain in the bud. He was. Yeah. That's why he left. And by the way, had no market when he left. Michael Parsons would have a massive market. It's interesting. All these athletes with podcasts are such problems for

their organizations. Draymond Green. Now, Michael Parsons. Have you listened to that podcast? What a great podcast, Drayvons is. Next up, the Houston Texans. They picked up Stefan Diggs last week in a move that should shake up the AFC hierarchy. But according to Adam Schefter, Houston has wiped out the final three years of Diggs's deal, giving him the ability to become a free agent after this season. Now, this is another similar to Micah Parsons. He was a headache in the locker.

Now, we called this for a while, right? We said Diggs would be moving on. I was told a year ago, Josh Allen was over the drama. And I think if you guys rolled the tape from two months ago, I think we even mentioned the Texans because they got a quarterback on the real deal. I think we had that. I don't know if it was me, but I'll take credit, sure. I just don't know, like, is he, he's kind of on the decline, right?

His numbers aren't what they were two years ago. Well, I think this is a smart move by the Texans. And so what the Texans are saying is we love your talent. We'll pay you a little more, but we're not going to be beholden or paralyzed to some of this drama if it incurs. We've seen it happen twice. We're not going to let it happen a third time. You're going to be a free agent after the year. What we want for a year is your greatness.

So I think the move smart. If a player has a history, again, be one thing if he had a fight with a coach in one, but we have two separate situations, Minnesota and Buffalo, where he was productive, but there was a lot of drama at the end. There was a lot of talk and chatter inside. You know, you were hearing, I mean, there's a reason Minnesota moved on. There was some drama inside the building. You're seeing it again, some drama.

So Houston's saying, hey, we like the production. We're not interested in the drama. So let's wipe out three years, pay him a little more and get him one great year. And by the way, Stefan's going to play his butt off because of free agent where you can make big money, so he'll have a great year. He'll be a class act. I'm sure you guys did it last week. I haven't even looked, but how bleak is the bill's wide

receiving core? Well, they're going to have to draft two. Yeah. They don't have a one or a two. But they are excellent at tight end. They're the two tight end sets. They're K&A. They have excellent at tight end. They finally found a running back. Josh Allen's amazing. So you can find talent, but they're going to have to draft

more than one. Yeah. Final story is the Milwaukee Bucks, Colin. Remember when they fired their coach and added Doc Rivers? And it was like, Doc Rivers is great. The Bucks are now 15 and 17 since Doc Rivers took over. The bucks have now lost four straight. And they're losing to like the dregs of the league,

like the Raptors and really bad teams. Here's Doc Rivers after Friday's loss. They're frustrated. I guess that's a good thing. But that's not going to get you anywhere. Frustration gets you nowhere. We've got to work ourselves through this. You can feel it.

You literally can. You can feel it. You can feel it during the game. And you go through these things. I've been through them. You do. You've got to work yourself out of them. Even one of the officials said that, man, you can feel the heaviness of your team right now.

Yeah. Well, they are an old heavy team. So I think it is. So I saw they played the Knicks and lost. I watched Jalen Bunsen Friday. I went to the Knicks game in Chicago. Oh, Knicks Bulls, yeah. How was it?

Jalen Brunson is the best star in New York's into Ewing. He's so good. And by the way, when you see him in person, dude, he is so clever. He is so quick. He got nothing to work with now, just a bunch of guys. Who's guarding him? Caruso?

He just let him off. And the bottom line is, when you watch Jalen Brunson in person, it's even better than you see the highlights. Like, he is really, I mean, his quickness is really something to behold. So, you know, I go away for a week on spring break with the kids. I didn't realize the Orlando Magic and the Knicks

could surpass the bucks for the time. two seat? Is it that bad from Milwaukee? What that? Are they going to slip to the four? Look at the numbers there. I mean, we know the calves are real. We have talked about this on this show. Whereas you called Stefan Diggs to the Texans, I've been on this for about six months.

This is ending poorly. Doc's playoff history isn't great. If they clunk in the east, I do not believe. I think Dame was a bit of a Hail Mary and so was Doc Rivers. An organization did this because they, not me, they felt the heat. That's why they got rid of

a player they love Drew Holiday. It's why they moved up a coach with a winning record. Milwaukee inside the building felt heat. What's it going to be when you get whacked in the first round? Well, we got to see if they lose to Embed or the Miami Heat play. Well, they would lose to Philadelphia right now. Maxie... Let's settle down.

Let's not get too excited about Joelle and Bean, okay? Maxie did have like 50 last night. Yeah. I don't know. Dave Lillard has to be happy, man. He was playing for the Blazers where they win like 30 games a year. He's now number two You see, they got a legit chance, right? You think if Janus loses in round one, he's just going to be like, you know what, we're all good here.

Okay, so what are they going to do? Fire the coach again? You're going to get rid of Doc Rivers? I don't think you could trade Dame and get a haul. I think you move Janus. Yonis says, guys, I'm going to leave you eventually. Go get a haul. Golden State comes to knocking.

You haven't been pushing that for a while. Wait, Janus to Golden State and the Warriors have what exactly? Five first round picks. Clay Thompson expiring contract Jonathan Cominga Moody you restart the franchise

you probably they probably want some Wiggins you get a bunch of expiring contracts and a bunch of drafts I love this idea that like

Clay and you're getting expiring contracts so you have Dame Brooke Lopez and a lot of money and a lot of draft picks

and a lot of losses you got a title out of it got a title I don't think you can trade a superstar Hall of Famer in his prime. Even if he asks that, you've got to do whatever you can to keep him on board.

It's happened more than once. I would feel bad for your city of Milwaukee. Is Adel's going to be a ghost town? I mean, gosh, you lose Yonis. Goodness, great. It's over. You lose Aaron Rogers. Now you lose Yonis. The Dells will survive, Yonis leaving. It's one of the nicest malls in America. The Dells. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. Somebody that's never listened to our show that turned in today from Milwaukee, we know the Dells is not a mall.

It's a running joke on our little esoteric show. Colin Wright, Colin Wrong, top of next hour. I'm telling you, Jalen Brunson in person, you got to go to games, sometimes to understand. You go to a, you know, you go and you'll see a guy at MLS or soccer, and then you go to the game and you're like, oh, wow. Okay, it's totally different. I remember going to watch LeBron in Miami. So when I was on the East Coast, I'd go down and watch LeBron in Miami. and you'd watch LeBron during the huddles screaming at Mario Chalmers and coaching on the sideline

and you'd watch him beat people to the basket and you're like television um you know they say everybody looks a little older and a little thinner or a little heavier on TV when you watch certain players in person that's why you got to go to the games it's like wow Kobe in person was so much better than other all-star level players in his prime he just it just the baskets were easier he was more creative. Jalen Brunson is a big time all-star. You just reminded me the Knicks have a war chest of draft picks. Why don't they go after Yannis? Hey, everything not nailed down that's not Brunson, it's yours. Every draft pick, every guy on the roster's bill. I would take that over the Warriors don't have the picks. If you have Yonis and Jalen Brunson, that's, that's Eastern

Conference Finals lock for five years. I would do that in a heartbeat. As a Knicks fan, ask yourself. The NBA's got two rounds, draft picks. I mean, brawny, average four a game in college, he'll get drafted in the second round. And that's not a knock on. I'm going to defend him coming up next. But the reality is the NFL has seven rounds and half the league is undrafted. There's players

everywhere. In basketball, after the 14th pick, you kind of run out of players. I mean, the reality is I'd give up a ton and anything to get Janus if I was the Knicks. Jalen Brunson is the best star in New York since Ewing. He is way better than Mello in terms

of commitment, effort. elevating others. It's not even close. I mean, Melo was getting his. Brunson is, the fact they could beat Milwaukee without Julius Randall. It's just Brunson out there dropping 40 plus. I'm telling you, he is something.

How are the Bulls look in your new team since you're now a Chicago guy? Bears, Bulls. They're fine. They got the best hockey player, and now they're going to have the best quarterback. Who's that? Connor. McDavid? McDavid?

Bedard. I don't know. Well, you go. You got to get up on NHL, huh? I'm staring at the cons my standings every morning when I get up. I know more about women's college hoops than I do NHL. I think the America does that. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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The, you know, polarizing people make some people lose their minds. And I saw this story come up last week. Bronny James, who played at USC, averaged about five points a game. Athletic kid, gotten better as a shooter. Remember, he had that cardiac arrest. So there's been kind of an ascension since that. It's been a slow build. He entered the NBA draft.

And there's those that suspect that the Lakers would be interested. or a team would be interested drafting Brony James to attract LeBron. For all of those that are bothered by that, you haven't seen this in college football recruiting when you sign a marginal player from a high school because there's a great player at the high school the following year.

Sometimes you sign a cousin or a brother of a great player who's a marginal player Colin, the only reason he would get drafted is because his dad is LeBron, sort of the same reason you got into law school because your dad went there? You know how many people have asked me that I know through the years? Can you get my kid an internship at Fox?

Connections matter. They always have. The Lakers aren't moving up to the lottery to draft him. He's not that kind of player. But I called one NBA scout over the weekend, and he said smart kid hard worker he'd be a good player on a great team full of smart guys he'd bring him off the bench he is getting better as a shooter he is athletic all right i mean the NBA's got two rounds of draft picks outside of your occasional yokech uh draymond green a lot of

guys drafted in the second round that disappear into the ether if it energized lebron if it got lebron to your city i mean i was thinking about this lebron LeBron can get $180 million max contract. The Lakers could give him that. If Brody got drafted, he'd make a million dollars in the second round. So essentially, you'd be paying LeBron $181 million, not $180 million. Dan Hurley's son, he's on the bench for you, Con. Who cares?

It's cool. Dad and son. Janice's brother never had a start for the Milwaukee box. He's on their bench. if it gave LeBron energy and the Lakers sign him, Lakers have plenty of length. They could use athletic young shooters. Brony James, an ascending player.

Sometimes I see, you know, every time you drive down the freeway and you see a plumber's truck, you ever notice it's like Johnson in Sons? Oh, dad's handing off the business. How are the Lakers owned? The dad passed away and gave it. to his kids. Like, I'm sorry, but the same people outraged by connections are the ones that constantly seek getting their kids ahead through connections, an internship here, getting into a college they don't quite qualify for here. Yes, it's the way the world works. It's okay. Brony isn't a

dynamic playmaker. It's not what he is. His dad is. That's okay. Sometimes the kid is better than the dad. Barry Bonds or Ken Griffey Jr. That happens sometimes. The kid is better. A lot of times the dad is better and the kid gets drafted because of the dad or the kid can get an opportunity because of the dad. Okay. Okay.

Lakers aren't giving away the future for Brunny. But again, I called a scout one. And he said, yeah, you're an athletic kid. He's getting better because of the physical thing he had. It's been a slow build, slow process. He'll enter the transfer portal. Somebody will probably pick him up. Somebody at the transfer portal would.

But the idea anybody is now outraged because the Lakers would consider it, I think it's the 50-fifth pick. Who cares? Everybody's helping family. Who cares? So I saw that this is an interesting, kind of a cautionary tale. There is a big difference, and I like both, between the football culture, which is about winning development

and about the basketball or basketball. or international soccer culture. Our basketball culture, in my opinion, is broke. It's more about worshipping the player and not developing the player, but that's another angle. But OBJ is a possible destination for the Miami Dolphins where he would be their third best receiver. And it's a bit of a cautionary tale that basketball stars and international soccer stars seemingly age slowly and get paid forever. if you're not a quarterback in the NFL, you age quickly. A.B. went from a star to out of the league, and OBJ was the fifth most productive member

of the Baltimore Ravens offense. And when OBJ came into this league, he had an NBA feel to him. He was dating models in Paris. He had a shoe deal. He felt like his brand was bigger than the New York Giants brand. I don't resent. That's fine. But we love the game of football. We often worship basketball players, but we don't watch it. Caitlin Clark's ratings quadrupled five, six times bigger than NBA regular season ratings. Again, I don't worship athletes, and it's okay if you do because you do wear their shoes. Right? I don't wear football players cleats.

A lot of people wear tennis shoes from their favorite basketball player. That's cool. But I think football endures in America for the right reasons. We love the game. We love the game. We worship the game. It's about winning and productivity in the game. Not about the brand or the player.

The Atlanta Falcons are in a Super Bowl. Huge rating. The Packers are. The Patriots are. Next year, if the Houston Texans are, we worship the game. And that's why it endures, because the game may change, but the game is the game. and when you become very reliant on worshiping stars, Michael Jordan left the NBA.

They lost half their ratings, and they've never recovered. Tom Brady retired, and the ratings went up, as they did when Brett Farr have retired, and Peyton Manning retired. I'm thankful that the football culture in America is different than the basketball culture. I'm okay with both. I think it's fun that you can make the Hall of Fame and never be a productive postseason baseball player, NBA player.

But football's about winning, and OBJ doesn't get the thousand-yard seasons, struggles to say healthy. I think he's a nice guy. I think he's super talented. But it is interesting. There was a time, and I had said this on the air, multiple occasions. He feels like the NFL's only NBA player. But the big difference is you don't age, Grace. in the NFL. You leave, the game moves on with or without you. The goat leaves NFL, ratings go up.

The goat left the NBA. Half the audience disappeared. Colin right, calling wrong, top of next hour. J. Mack. Can I ask about O'Dell real quick? I know you have sources out here on the West Coast. Oh, I didn't hear a lot during spring break. I'm locked in with the family and stuff, but I did get a text. Odell wants to be with the Chargers. Apparently he's dating Kim Kardashian wants to stay out here in L.A. Have you heard anything regarding Chargers in Odell? No.

They're not going to pay him. Is he going to be cool taking less money to play out here? Chargers need receivers, as we know. Yeah, again, I think Jim Harbaugh's got bigger concerns than OBJ's dating life. But that's probably why he isn't jumping at the Miami offer right now, right? He's waiting for someone, and I'm told that someone is the Chargers.

Now, I don't know if the Chargers feel the same way. if he would be a number three receiver for them. What's Quentin Johnson? He ain't even a two. Well, they're going to try to make him a two. They're going to draft two receivers. So, I mean, of their needs, wide receiver is number one. But I think you're going to see them get much more physical up front. They'll go all line. They'll get another running back.

They'll get another tight end. And the physicality, you'll see it and hear about it in practice. But, I mean, if he wants to play for the Chargers, I'm good with it. Two and a half weeks to the draft kind of fired up, huh? Kind of. By the way, Purdue, Yukon tonight? I know you're stoked. I think it's Yukon.

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