The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson

Episode Date: August 4, 2025

Colin is back from vacation discussing the struggles of Caleb Williams in training camp under new head coach Ben Johnson and why you can’t ignore the warning signs The Detroit Lions have some reasons to be worried this season The Washington Commanders need to somehow make WR Terry McLaurin happySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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go, we are live, it is the herd of wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. I got a little sun, the hair's little long. I look a little shaggy today. That's okay. That's just, you know, you're out there, you're off there golfing and having fun and playing with the dogs and the surf. That's life.

I feel refreshed and ready to go. And, J-Mack, it's, I tune out when I'm on vacation. I think you do the same thing. We were talking. We both kind of tune out, unplug, hang out with family. But you are seeing now a lot more videos come up with camp. And the story at this time of the year every August is young quarterbacks. So I want to talk about young quarterbacks and the videos that are out there. So we're going to start with that, J-Mac.

One hour from now, Colin right, calling wrong. Listen, all these videos matter. All of them matter. Good, bad and the ugly. Caleb Williams had the most notable. he's thrown at a net, he goes 0 for three, and the last throw is so bad, he misses the net completely, and then he gets ticked off.

How do I know this matters? Because they deleted it after a while, because it was getting so much play. There's also a story out there where J.J. McCarthy's throwing red zone picks, and, quote, he's working on his touch, because everything's a fastball, which you'd hope guys get figured out, you know, at college. So when a quarterback is unpeachment,

proven like Caleb Williams or like J.J. McCarthy, camp matters more, not just for the player, for the staff. When you haven't shown your competency, when you haven't shown your aptitude, a player's confidence. I mean, you could see on that net video, that was in Caleb's head. And the coaching staff, there's a story that J.J. McCarthy is struggling in the red zone with picks. Well, Kevin O'Connell is watching that and thinking to himself, okay, this is practice. Can I

call stuff during games? On the road, he can't hear. I mean, the advantage to having a Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson or a Patrick Mahomes or a Joe Burrow, you can use the whole playbook all over the field.

All over the field. You start throwing red zone picks in practice. You're close. parts of the playbook. And for an offensive coach like a Kevin O'Connell or a Ben Johnson, they don't want to close any of the playbook. I saw a story this weekend where Joe Burrow actually saw the video of this. So they got Noah Fant, a tight end from Denver.

They got Noah Fant. And Burrow, first, second practice with him, up and down the field in practice. Of course, it's Joe Burrow. So that just tells Zach Taylor, a couple practices with Noah Fant. We'll throw it home at any point, anywhere, trailing, leading red, zone, it doesn't matter. All this stuff matters. What's a little nugget in one camp can be a code red in another. And by the way, you can tell when a coach isn't totally happy because they get a little defensive, like Kevin O'Connell at one point in a press conference looked to the ceiling and

the sky is not falling. He had the quip ready. Meanwhile, last year in camp, the effusive phrase for Jaden Daniels, we sat on the air, like, I've never heard anything like this. It mattered. What Dan Quinn was seeing last year in camp, he couldn't get his eyes off it. They couldn't believe it. So all this stuff matters.

Look at it this way. If you're an established quarterback, let's say you're Gordon Ramsey and you build restaurants, it doesn't matter what the reviewer says. You've got 20 years of success and aptitude and competency. Gordon Ramsey's new restaurant is not dependent on a review from the local newspaper. Okay, you're a new chef. You have new investors. They're not quite sure. They don't love the feng shui of the restaurant. The food better be really damn good. And you better get a good

write-up in the Chicago Triber, the L.A. Times. That can ruin a young restaurant or a young chef. That stuff matters. And that's how I look at quarterbacks. So Caleb Williams, he struggled in college. We're starting to get a drip, drip, drip with Caleb Williams. So he struggled in And I said this. I loved him. A little bit of hero ball. Could be a little moody. Accuracy.

Two GMs told me a little worried about it. Think they'll clean it up. Then he goes last year. Uh-oh. Little hero ball. A lot of accuracy issues. Now we go to OTAs and camp. Drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip.

More accuracy issues. Now we've got video. So all of this stuff matters. And it matters more for young, unproven chefs, artists, quarterback. It's not just your confidence. It's your staff's confidence

with you. You can be a cornerback. Can I put him on an island? Against a boundary receiver. Hey, this kid's not quite as twitchy as we thought. He doesn't play at corner with as much confidence. Okay, we better go zone. We better roll over help. It does

matter because the expectations with a first round player in year two, Caleb at any position is, okay, now he's got to be elite. I've said this. You get about five starts. I want good real fast. Here's Caleb. I take pride and, you know, trying to retain it all, every single detail that we have. And I think that's where, you know, I've been growing so far since Ben's been here is retain all the information. All of it makes sense to me. And, you know, I've been able to go out there and execute. Okay. So I also want to talk about, we're going to stay on this

theme, that everything matters a little. So I know it's the Hall of Fame game. The Chargers just barrel roll the Detroit Lions. But when you watch that game, it wasn't just that the Lions lost. Everything's something, nothing's everything. They were sloppy. Five turnovers, yet didn't create any. And sloppy is coaching and scheme and communication. And it's coordinating. And what did the Lions do? They didn't just lose two coordinators. They lost the talk of the league at offensive coordinator, Ben Johnson of the Bears,

and Aaron Glenn, who somehow got the Lions to a top 10 total defense, despite the fact it was with Band-Aids, Bondo, Smoke and Mears, because everybody was hurt. So they lost two great coordinators. And did they do a league-wide search to replace? them. No, one guy on staff elevated him, another guy formerly on staff, they went and got him. They chose

comfort. That's what they chose. Comfort over the top candidate. They talked themselves into, well, this guy knows who we are. This guy understands who we are. And that's why I said, to me, the Lions, never forget Philadelphia. And this is where Nick Sariani and Dan

Campbell and the Eagles and the Lions are very similar here. So the Eagles and the Lions arguably best two rosters in the NFC. And Siriani and Campbell are very coordinator dependent. They're not scheme guys like McVeigh or Reed or Shanahan. They're not, or Sean Payton, they're not scheme guys. So Siriani went from being in a Super Bowl, hired the wrong coordinators next year at the end of the year. The Eagles roster lost six of seven.

and it was at that point the first or second best roster in the NFL. Now it's the best, along with Baltimore. So again, with a Sean McVeigh, he loses coordinators annually. It doesn't matter. He's a scheme guy. Andy Reed, Sean Payton, run through coordinators. Doesn't matter. But a guy like Mike Tomlin or a Pete Carroll who are culture builders,

guys like Nick Seriani or Dan Campbell, culture builders. You picked the wrong coordinator. You get in trouble. And I've told buddies this for years. John Stewart, David Letterman, and Bill Maher were stand-up comedians. They're unbelievable years and years, decades on their feet and clubs. When they host a show, they're not as dependent on great writing. They're better with it, but they can ad-lib their way to funny.

A Jimmy Kimmel or a Stephen Colbert didn't have long stand-up careers. They got their hosting spot different ways. very, very competent guys, but different ways. They're probably going to be more dependent on a lead writer being really good, right? That's the same way I look at scheme coaches. Andy Reed, Kyle Shanahan, Sean Payton, Sean McVeigh, it doesn't matter. It just, they can just run through coordinators. But a lot of these guys are kind of CEO culture builders.

And not all culture builders are bad coaches. I mean, Jimmy Johnson was his greatest strength was personnel, and building a staff. There's nothing wrong with that. But you've got to get the coordinators right if you're a scheme guy. So I'm just saying I don't question the lines GM, the roster, Penae Sewell, Amoron, St. Brown, Aidan Judgison. But when I watch that opening act, eight penalties, five turnovers, they look disorganized. Here's Dan Campbell on the loss.

First one out of the gate You know We The story of the game Is we turned it over five times And then we didn't get any takeaways So that's hard You know

Just from that standpoint When you put your defense in that kind of position That's tough Offensively like we said It's hard to get in a rhythm When you turn a ball over like that We're excited to watch some of these guys See how they did

Grade the tape Learn from it, grow from it That's what it's about Yeah, I'll grade the tape. Let's start with a D-minus and work our way from there. That was bad. That looked out of sorts, discombobulated. So all this stuff, all these videos, I looked at the Caleb video. Remember, I think Caleb's great. But I also don't think he's Andrew Luck. I don't think he's guaranteed. There's some footwork stuff that's totally valid. There's some hero ball stuff

and moodiness, those are very fair critiques. Andrew Luck didn't have any of those issues. And by the way, either to John Elway. Andrew Luck and John Elway, in my lifetime, are the two can't misses. Peyton Manning, by the way, I watched them in college, nervous feet, didn't have a huge arm, didn't throw the prettiest ball, really intense. The volunteers won a Natty after he left. Right?

So there were questions about Peyton Manning. nobody questioned his robotic brain. He was AI pre-AI. Like he was doing stuff at the line of scrimmage nobody else was. But Caleb comes with some questions, and they haven't been answered yet. So it's okay to look at video. That net video is something. His reaction, that was a little.

Anytime people have concerns about you and you validate them, his accuracy and moodiness, both on that tape. Both on that. That's a little too angry. at a net. Like it's a little over the top. So it's just something. Jemak, I hope you had a great vacation. Colin right, calling wrong in 45 minutes from now. You were with a fam in an undisclosed location. The other thing, you know, I'm watching all this stuff. So I have a take on this. So the Micah, there's two holdouts right now in the NFL. The Micah Parsons thing in Dallas

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I'm not on Micah Parsons. First of all, I was on team trade Micah Parsons a year ago. The Cowboys are a mile from the Philadelphia Eagles roster composition. They need four good players. I would have gotten a couple of second round picks, maybe a first and a fourth, whatever. I like Micah. He's a good player, but I'm not making him the highest paid defense event. He's not Miles Garrett.

He's not Aiden Hutchison. He's not Max Crosby. He's not T.J. Watt. He's not Nick Bosa. I like him a lot. But I'm not making him that highly coveted. C.D. Lamb is closer to the top of the receiving rankings, in my opinion, than Michael Parson is on the pass rush.

And by the way, I'm not even mentioning Jared Verst yet. This year, I think he'll become number two in the league, maybe number three, behind like a Bosa, a watt, and an Aden. Hutchison or a Miles Garrett. And they could also franchise tag Michael Parsons for a couple years. So I'll give you an example of the difference between the two holdouts. So Micah Parsons was a first round pick and a number 12 pick. And he's been a pro bowler.

He has played up to his draft position. The player picked after him were Sean Slater. A first round pick has been a pro boulder. He has played up to his position. And Micah does deserve a big contract. Slater got one. I'm not denying that. but I think left tackle is harder to find and much more valuable than edge rusher.

I mean, left tackle after quarterback, to me, is the number two position by a long shot in the league. Go look at the Niners and Kyle Shanahan when Trent Williams doesn't play. Go look at the Chargers when Rashon Slater doesn't play. There are no great backup left tackles. There's all sorts of guys that can rush the passer in the NFL. The college gives you six a year guys that can play, and you'll get them in mid-rounds. There are no great left tackles in the fifth round historically. The top 30 left tackles of all time, 28, I think, are first-round picks.

And so, Micah has, and by the way, right now, Micah's contract going into this year, without a new, without a new contract, would make him the fifth highest edge rusher cap hit. that's a totally appropriate contract totally appropriate that's not terry mccloren terry mccloren has been a dog in the playoffs he's been unbelievable in the regular season he was the only bright spot before jaden daniels got to town for about three years he's unbelievably productive and he is a third round pick so he has wildly outperformed his contract he is is the most underrated and underpaid player in the league. Micah is paid appropriately to this point in his career.

And then Washington goes out and signs Debo Samuel, who I like, but you can't have Debo making significantly more than Terry McLaurin. Debo's older, Debo's been injured more, Debo's just not as good as Terry McLaren. And you go look at Terry McLaren's stats. This kid's great. I mean, Ohio State is not only the wide receiver factory of college football, even their third round guys. In 82 regular season, he's got in his regular season career just last year, 82 catches, 14 in the postseason, he had three postseason touchdowns, which was tied for the league lead. The kid is great everywhere.

In fact, the last five seasons, there's only four receivers who have had a thousand plus receiving yards each of those years. Justin Jefferson, ever hear of him? Mike Evans, Devonte Adams, Terry McLaurin, and he had been paid yet. So he has wildly, wildly outperformed his contract. Like Amaran St. Brown did this to a degree. You got to pay guys like that.

You got to pay guys like that. That's, I believe that with every position except quarterback. Quarterback, just pay them if they're great. But guys like that, that you get in the third round, They're productive. They're team guys. They don't. They're a shining star on a bad organization for most of his career.

Pay him. Micah's a first rounder. Micah's made a lot of money in advertisements because he's a Dallas cowboy. You put him on the Jacksonville Jaguars or the Titans. He's not making that money in endorsements. Nobody's listening to his podcast. And I like Micah. He deserves to be paid.

But his feels a little egocentric. He has lived up to a first. round pick like Slater and he should be paid. But I've said this, not all hold out to the same. Not all contract negotiations are the same. McClorin has completely outplayed and outperformed his contract, not even close. Micah's been excellent. Well, you don't pick guys 12th. We say this every year. In my years of doing this, talking to executives, the first 16 to 17 players picked are true first round talents, players that should be excellent first day in camp. The Aidan Hutchison, Penae Sewell, Brock Bowers, Micah Parsons. Now, not all of them hit.

Chase Young was never as good as a rush end as I thought he would be, but they'd establish themselves physically very quickly. And he has, but he's been compensated for it. You know, he got his slot. He got paid. And he deserves to get paid by somebody. He's got a year left on the deal. They can still, you know, they can still two times franchise tag him if they wanted to. And the other thing is, and I always said this about D. Wade.

I love D. Wade. One of my favorite players ever. But he did get no state tax, aqua water on the East Coast in a winter league, the best GM in Riley, a top three coach in Eric Spolstra, a top five owner in Mickey Erison in a great franchise. He went and played for Chicago for like an hour. He's like, get me out of here. I'm going back to Miami.

You do have to consider if you get drafted by the Dallas Cowboys, DAC has made probably 100 million endorsements. He's not making four if he's a member of the Bengals. Right? Like Joe Burrow, it was the best quarterback arguably in the league last year. Cincinnati so poorly run, he was the only great quarterback that couldn't make the playoffs, which is impossible in the NFL. If you rank as the most efficient quarterback in the NFL,

14 of the 32 teams make the playoffs. So yeah, Joe Burrow gets pissed off. Yes, he's perpetually got a chip on his shoulder. He should. It'd be like Mahomes not making the playoffs or Lamar not making the playoffs. I side with guys who I feel like Joe Burrow does not have the support he deserves. Terry McLaurin deserves money. Micah, he's done well for himself.

He made a lot of money in Dallas. He's been treated like a rock star. There are times he is a rock star. But in the postseason, look at McLaurin's numbers. Look at Micah's. Four playoff games. No sacks. Maybe one sack.

And hit the quarterback four times, one sack. Okay, that ain't Miles Garrett. Okay, so let's slow down. McClord is a third rounder. And it's also, by the way, it's an offensive league. I'm going to pay my quarterback. I'm going to pay my left tackle. I'm going to pay my star weapon, Jamar Chase.

It is an offensive league. You've got to consider that. Everything counts. Jerry Jones on the Micah situation. I think the world of Micah, and that's just a part of negotiation. I don't really place that with any real seriousness. I wouldn't be standing here with you

if I didn't think we had a potentially had a great future with Mike. be a waste of all of our time. So we're good shape. This is negotiation. But make no mistake about it. Life has to go on. One thing I would say to our fan, don't lose any sleepover. All right.

So Jerry's probably going to pay him. And the roster will continue to get really top-heavy. And again, it goes public and shouldn't have to. But I'm just saying, I'm Team 10. Like that kid, you got to pull up the Brinks truck. Especially now you added Debo, older, banged up, hasn't been through the lean years in Washington. J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. I wore my Dallas Blue here on a Monday, Colin. Let's start with Matt Stafford, though, and the Rams. Not good news for a team you think could be headed to the Super Bowl. Stafford is going to see a back special. Colin. And he has not participated in camp yet. Things do not look good for him playing at all in the preseason. McVeigh says Stafford remains week to week. But they got a week one game against the Houston Texans,

who by the way had one of the best pass rushes in the league last year featuring Will Anderson. They were fifth in sacks. This is a dangerous report about Stafford's back. I know you really like the Rams. But if Stafford's not even close to 100%, they're not going to have any chance to compete in the Yeah, I don't, I've heard this three years in a row. And here's the truth about Stafford. When quarterbacks get to a certain age, I think you'd agree with this, they don't want to get hit. Like Eli Manning, I'm going to go, I'm throwing it away. Aaron Rogers, you don't want to get hit anymore.

Stafford is the last old quarterback that sits in the pocket, that extra half second, and gets drilled. He has been a guy that's taken a lot of shots. And so he's banged up. His odometer isn't the same as the old Tom Brady. Tom Brady had Dante Scarnacia. Tom Brady had much better protection. Tom Brady had much better coaching. Tom Brady at 45 was probably in better shape than Matt Stafford is at 36, 37 years old.

So he played behind a lot of bad old lines. He's always been a guy that just sits in that pocket. You and I've discussed this. He will sit there to the last second, which a lot of young quarterbacks do. Quarterbacks get to be 33. They got no interest. They're going to throw that ball away. Matt doesn't.

And so I think this is the reality. Now, the Rams have two first-round picks. I have it on pretty good intel. They did that. Whether they play them or not, they want to go big game hunting on quarterbacks this year. Two years ago, they identified this quarterback class in L.A. as the class that was, they didn't like this class this past year at all. So they're going to go draft a quarterback, even if he doesn't play for a year.

But I think you just have to be honest about who Matt Stafford is. he is taking more shots in that pocket as an older quarterback than almost all old quarterbacks are willing to do. So he cowboys up, man. He just sits there and takes it. Also hasn't taken a shot in seven months and his back is not good enough to go. Colin, they also added Devante Adams probably would be great if they could get some chemistry here.

And it doesn't seem like they're going to have any at all heading into the season. That could put them behind the eight ball in the division. Remember, the Houston in week one and then the Eagles in week three. Colin, if you fall two games behind the Niners before Halloween, it's over. That Niners schedule is cake. The Rams, you can't say the same. Look at the back end. They got to go, they got to face Detroit there late in the season.

That Arizona team is dangerous. Ravens, Trevor Lawrence. I see a lot of. I see Cam Ward and Anthony Richardson in the first month. If they can win their home game against Houston, it's a three-in-one start. facing a team, the Niners at home, that they've been really good against the last two years. They're fine. Listen, they also get a Jags game and a Saints game and a Falcons game.

They got the NFC South. That's four wins for that team. In case you're wondering, Jimmy Garapolo, who you're familiar with obviously, is the backup. I know you're a big fantasy football guy. Would you even draft Stafford, given the age, the back? I mean, the weapons are there. He could have a monster year. Maybe this is just, hey, I'm old.

I don't want to play in the preseason. This is an interesting one. I don't know, Colin. Let's move to the Denver Broncos, a team you love, so we're going to talk about him a lot this year. Bo Nix obviously looking to make a next step following his great rookie season. Sean Payton, speaking to reporters last week,

said that the short-term goal is winning the division. This team is capable of winning the Super Bowl. I'm seeing here the odds are plus 2,800 for Denver, which is right down there with the bucks, Vikings, chargers. Yeah. I think for all the doubters of Sean Payton, I didn't think they'd be this good this fast. I thought that Russell Wilson deadcap money,

I thought that was just a non-starter. They were going to be this roster. got good. You know, and the truth was, the roster was probably a little better. Like we talked about Cortland Sutton. Cortland Sutton's really good. He doesn't get a lot of publicity. Cortland, I mean, they had some players here when Sean got here. He did clean the offensive lineup. But I don't know, when I watch Denver play, Kansas City, when I watch them play the Chargers in division, I don't see a team that lacks talent. I just think there are team that lacks experience at quarterback.

We may be, they may be, we may be sleeping on them a little bit. Because I think in our minds we're like, yeah, that this rebuild post-Russell Wilson, I think the roster is better than people think. Yeah, I think a lot of folks are looking at the Bow Nick season and saying, oh, he's really good, he's ready to make the next step. Bit of a checkdown Charlie last year. Peyton played the game, hey, let's not make mistakes. If we don't turn the ball over, we can ride this defense and win a bunch of 16-13-type games.

I don't know that that's going to work this year, given everybody's got the book on Bo Nex. They've seen him. What's your theory when a pitcher goes through the order twice, the third time around? Hey, that's tough. I just wonder, is there a little pumpkin action here from Bo Nex this year, given everybody's very familiar, hey, this guy can scoot, but he doesn't want to throw the ball deep down the field? No, I think there is something to be said. the second time around coordinator's going to lose. Spags gets now a third and a fourth.

Look at you. I think that's true. But I will, I will offer this. Never forget how good Hufunga is at safety, who they got from the Niners. Niners did not want to give him up. Don't forget how good Greenlaw is. Those are pro bowl level players coming off injuries. Hufunga is, in my opinion, when healthy, is a top three safety in the league. He's a great. He is the level. last great football player USC had. In the last five years, Caleb Williams got the hype. Who Funga was the best football player when healthy that program has had since he came

into the league. So he is a huge talent. People forgot about it. He was a pro bowler. When he is healthy, he is a home. I'm not saying he's Ed Reeder Ronnie Lott, but he is a great elite player in the back end. All right, we'll wrap up with the Minnesota Vikings and J.J. McCarthy, Colin. Remember, he didn't play at all last year following the season-ending injury and preseason.

He's been up and down in camp so far, according to reports. The problem is he's working on his touch because almost all of his throws, according to this report, have been fast balls. Loves a good... You know who I heard this about, Colin? Early in their career? Josh Allen. Remember, he didn't have touch at all, couldn't hit anything in the flat, couldn't throw... I mean, he's just, boom, throwing all darts. and I'm hearing the same thing about McCarthy. I don't read too much into this, but I know you are a little skittish now on McCarthy, whereas you were a little more bullish earlier.

I think it's fair to say Josh Allen did not have the college coaching J.J. McCarthy did. J.J. McCarthy had Jim Harbaugh. I mean, God, Jim Harbaugh made Trey Lance look very good in that Hall of Fame game. So it's like Jim Harbaugh is a very good quarterback coach. It seems to me Josh Allen has, Dad had to send tapes out so we could go to junior college, get attracted. So Josh Allen was such a raw project. I mean, everybody, it was so funny, I was looking at Josh Allen video.

I don't even know where it was at. It may have been at the other place. They were showing video his last year at Wyoming. I saw him play Iowa and Oregon in college. He made a lot of mistakes, but Josh Allen was such a freak. He's made running left, throwing it 50 yards across his body. But he was a moldable, unbelievable piece of clay. I would argue Jane J.J. McCarthy got three years of great coaching

from Jim Harbaugh. You're looking at what he is. It's a much closer version of what he can do. Josh Allen, Mel Kuyper said he's a top, I mean, I remember seeing this that Mel said he is a top 10 all-time prospect at quarterback, and he's lived up to that. Like J.J. McCarthy, I think certain guys come out of college, Michael Pennix is this, because Michael Pennix got great college coaching with Kailin DeBoer. What you saw with Michael Penix in college is very close to what he's going to be. Like you've seen the way he throws the ball. He sits in the pocket. J.J. McCarthy, I know what he is. I watched him with hardball. Josh Allen was, you didn't know, same with Lamar Jackson. It's like he's running around. You didn't know what he was. Now Lamar's become unbelievable.

So this idea that JJ is going to go two or three levels up on what he's been, I think he, I think we, And I feel to some degree you're right. Bo Nix had so many college starts, 61, that Sean Payton's like, I know what I'm getting. I'm going to make him better, but I kind of know what I'm getting. And Bo Nix has looked like he looked in college. Athletic, coachable, moves. PFF, by the way, has the Broncos roster at 9, which...

That's reasonable. Yeah. J. Mack with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. Luca Doncha is in pretty good shape. We'll talk about that next hour.

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Now, has Kansas City had some awesome. off the field nonsense they've had the deal with. Yes, and it's such a well-run organization. They can overcome it. But Miami, the dolphins are not a well-run organization. And Tyreek Hill and Mike McDaniel, it's just interesting to me who the media covets favor to. Like there are times that the media just decides we like that guy and we're going to defend that guy. and I've argued that Mike McDaniel in Miami

looks like a sports writer. He's kind of snarky and quirky and kind of, and like they just decided we like that guy. And Nick Seriani's kind of obnoxious. He had a bad opening press conference. And I admit, I was like, this guy looks like he's over his skis, but I've come full circle on Seriani.

It works. Players like him. Matt Hasselby yells at me. He's good. McDaniel's been a funny guy because Miami is noisy. The Tyreek Hill situation. Is anybody like, do you think Belichie would put up with that. Belichick would have moved off that guy. I mean,

Annie Reid did move off that guy. And yet Mike McDaniel, and this was always my thing, is he a culture builder? Yeah, he's smart. A lot of smart people aren't great football coaches. So I feel the Tyreek Hill situation a couple days ago, it's like, hey, you got to show up, you got to show up every day, be on time, and then he wasn't on time, and he's never really punished. And I just think the best coaches in this league set a certain standard. But nobody calls Mike McDaniel out. It's that he's got this incredible football acumen. Here's the thing. The two years before he got there, and the media did not like Brian Flores, because Brian Flores is disagreeable, disagreeable, he's rough, he's lousy at a press conference,

he's an unbelievable coach. I think he's the best defensive coordinator in the league, Brian Flores of Minnesota. In fact, I was reading the other day, The Athletic ranked all the coaching staffs in the NFL. They put Minnesota number one. I don't disagree. I think San Francisco is up there. The Rams are up there.

But it's like, I didn't disagree with that. Flores is unbelievable. But he's not somebody that's going to curry favor with the people who cover him. He's rough on people. He's rough on players. McDaniel, I think Flores is a better coach than Mike McDaniel. Okay?

eight games into his Miami stay, Brian Flores had established elite special teams and elite defense. What are my three, four years into Mike McDaniel? What are they? I looked it up this morning. The two years before he got there, Miami was 10 and 6 and 9 and 8.

The last three years with Mike McDaniel, they're 28, 23, they have a lower win percentage. I don't get it, but he's gotten such favorable press. They've been 14 different heads. head coaches that have made the playoffs since he arrived in Miami. He's not one of them. And so I always feel this with Miami. So much of it is image instead of actual structure. What are the dolphins? Do you like their line play? No, they got rid of Wilkins and I don't like

their offensive line. Do you like their drafting? It's very hit and mess. They've overpaid for wide receivers. And I've been saying this for years. They're the speedboat of the NFL. They're the convertible of the NFL. Speedboats and convertible. are not built to be driving around, even in Miami and January. And that's when it matters in the NFL. If you start looking at the AFC in my lifetime, it's been controlled mostly by the Pittsburgh Steelers in bad weather, or Baltimore, New England, Kansas City.

Now Buffalo's great again. Baltimore is great again. Can you play outside inclement weather? So Miami is flash and fun, and it looks like Gucci, but closer inspection, it's suss. and that's what I think Miami is. I would move off Tyreek. I think if they struggled this year, and I think they will,

what do you do with Mike McDaniel? I've been sold on how smart and revolutionary this offense is. They're 28 and 23. And that should be the last couple years, two automatics over the awful Patriots and two automatics over the awful jets. I mean, say what you want about Mike Tomlin. When he had Big Ben in his prime, he was 2-0 against the Bengals and 2-0 against the Browns.

He may split with the Ravens, but he was beating the teams he should beat. Miami's not even beating the teams they should beat. So here's Tyreek Hill on missing some stretching session with the team. I think whenever I'm, whenever guys, you know, aren't able to see me come out here and scrimch with them, you know it just keeps the engine rolling you know what I'm saying with the whole team so it is important the one day I did miss though I was just dropping the kids off to the pool so I mean besides that I'm out here every day dog all right that's fine but I guess my point being is the media often decides we like this candidate politically well why oh we we like this candidate we like this coach

we like why and people people have made decisions I was supposed to not like, you know, Brian Flores. Like, I was supposed to not like that guy. I know he's rough. That dude can coach. That guy can coach. Remember that when he got to Miami? They were using Ryan Fitzpatrick and beating people.

They got blown out by 50 by the Ravens early. They were bad. And then like week eight, nine, you're like, whoa. They may have had the best special teams in the league. The defense was unbelievable. I got three years now with Mike McDaniel. I don't know what Miami is. They run a lot of sets.

They got a lot of motion. And don't tell me, well, the quarterback, Tua is upper half. He's 15 or up. He's somewhere in there. He may be 15th, but he's 15th or up. He's a very effective, accurate quarterback. He's an adult. He shows up.

He's a good teammate. He's a good kid. Last year, he was healthier. So you can't blame the quarterback. It's like Cincinnati's owner. saying, we do everything right here. You can't have Joe Burrow and not make the playoffs. Well, if you're in a division, the last three years,

with rebuilding jets and rebuilding Patriots, and your five games above 500, what are you? I don't know the answer. I'd even take a bad answer. What are they? I'd move off Tyree Kill. Once again, he's late. There's no punishment.

Blah, blah, blah. All right. You know something, Jemak? I try not to mention the Jets. but it's very interesting. There's an interesting story in the athletic by Mike DeFabo about what is happening. We had him on the show a couple weeks ago. He's really good.

About what he has seen so far with the Steelers, and I swear to God, you could have written this one year ago about the Jets. The four things that happened in New York. The difference is we look at the Jets as a tire fire and we look at the Steelers as well run. But the four issues they're having in Pittsburgh. far. It's the safe for they had in the Jets. We'll get to that because what's calling right, calling wrong, hour two and a Monday. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast. Well, we didn't

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