The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Cardinals, Zion, Brady

Episode Date: October 20, 2022

Reasons why Cardinals HC Klff Kingsbury is already on the hot seat Pelicans should consider having Zian Williamson on certain restrictions Colin supports Tom Brady yelling at his teammates for under performing   Guest: Nick MangoldSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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J-Max Zion, once again, amazing. Kyrie Irving, awful. Brooklyn, at one point, we'll talk about it later, but essentially the team Kevin Durant left, Golden State, is a great team with one issue. Brooklyn, the team he's on, is a mess with one certainty, KD. Like, he has got it, he didn't want to play in the off season. Do we think he wants to play now? I still doubt it. Biggest mistake of his career, leaving the Warriors.

I've never, there's never been a. Heidi Irving. Amazing. Let's start with this, though. Arizona Cardinals played tonight. tonight. And here it is. Here it is. Sean Payton, a member of Fox, tops Arizona's list as the replacement candidate if Arizona fires their head coach, Cliff Kingsbury. Now, Kingsbury makes $8 million a year. It's a rounding air for billionaires. Four years, $22 million. The Kyler

Murray contract you're not getting out of. So here is Cliff Kingsbury when asked this week by Arizona media about his future. It's a, what have you done for me lately, league? There's a lot of noise out there. Do you feel like you're coaching for your job at all right now? You know, I think that comes with the profession. I think when you have a start like we've had offensively, that talk is going to be out there.

And, you know, quite frankly, it should be. We should play better, and we all know that. So that's, you know, week in, week out, we feel like we're all kind of coaching for our job in this profession. and we got to get better on offense. All right, listen, it is much easier, as you know, to get rid of a coach and find another good coach than it is to get rid of a quarterback and find another good quarterback.

I mean, is Bailey Zappy the answer in New England? He may be. They tried Cam, they tried Mac Jones. Maybe it's this lower drafted kid Bailey Zappy from Western Kentucky who transferred all through college. It's hard. It's really hard. Think about this.

We already have, because college football, only gives the pros one great quarterback a year. We already have three first year coaches in the NFL crushing it. Brian Dables, five and one, took over a mess, five and one. Kevin O'Connell took over the Vikings, five and one. Mike McDaniel, by the way, before Tua was hurt, was three and oh. Two coaches, Nick Serriani in Philly and Robert Sala of the Jets in year two or 10 and two this morning. By the way, even young coaches who were fired, Brian Flores, we liked Zach Taylor, third year got the Bengals to a Super Bowl. So Cliff Kingsbury did not win in college in an average conference with Patrick Mahomes as a quarterback. He has never had Arizona with Kyler Murray in

good weapons and a decent old line in the top 10 in scoring. His teams have faded at the end of his first three seasons. And now he doesn't get along greatly with his quarterback. It's time. We've seen enough of it. It's time. I mean, I'm not, I don't like calling for jobs. If he goes through the season, fine. It's not the end of the world. But, you know, we know what we got here, right? And you could say, well, it's not his fault. It's Kyler's fault. Okay, listen. When Aaron Rogers wanted Mike McCarthy out, he's out. Okay. If Kyler wants Cliff Kingsbury out, he's out. Cliff was 35 and 40 in college with Patrick Mahomes. There are no signs right now that he's a great coach. I could argue there are no signs. He's a really good coach. So you move on. You know,

I said this a couple days ago and everybody laughed at it. But, you know, the league is pivoting to offense. It's very reasonable this morning to say that Cliff Kingsbury and Nathaniel Hackett aren't the guy. And you're always better in any business to move stuff fast and not double down on it. Don't be rigid. Don't be stubborn. Sometimes you make mistakes. Kingsbury's had three years. There's nothing to prove that he's like an elite coach, right? And there's a lot of good candidates out there. The kid at Seattle, Colin plays, Byron Leftwich Colin plays. Philadelphia's got Shane Steikens calling plays. You got Kafka. Where's he at? Kafka's in New York Giants. There's like four or five guys out there,

offensive guys. You know, Lincoln Riley is not leaving now, but in four or five years, His name will be out there. There's plenty of offensive coaches. The league's pivoting to offense. Kingsbury appears to be, listen, he's not a whiff. He's not a total miss. There's something there. Maybe he's just a great coordinator.

Maybe he's a college coach and needs a legitimate job. Not his alma mater. But people laugh when I said this the other day. You have two messes in the NFL with very similar quarterbacks. Both just signed huge contracts. Russell in Denver and Kyler Murray, his comp, his comp in Arizona. I said it the other day, I don't think it's crazy.

You could make an argument, Tyler's better in Denver with that bad O line and Russell's better in Arizona with their chaos. You don't get chaos with Russell Wilson. He's not the same quarterback he was, but let's be honest. Right now in Arizona, the only way to solve this thing

because you can't get rid of a quarterback, right, unless you trade him to Denver, is fire the coach. And I think at this point, totally reasonable. We'll see tonight. Okay, so last night, we all know in sports there are certain body types when Zion Williamson came out everybody was nitpicking his game and I can't shoot I can't do this and I said

size and strength matter look at baseball Aaron judge Zion reminds me a little of Calvin Johnson who was the wide receiver that came from Georgia Tech and went to the Detroit Lions with six five and a half 240 at wide receiver built like a tied in and ran and it's like nobody matches up with him physically Zion is 6-6-280 and strong. He's 25 a night walking into a building. Nobody matches up with him. The league's gotten more finesse.

It's got more European. It's thin, tall guys that can shoot. Nobody wants to bang on that body in the regular season. He is 25 a night. But here's my thing about Zion. When Chet Holmgren came into the league from Oklahoma City, remember the kid from Gonzaga, like 7 to 180 pounds. I sat on the air.

I would never play him in three games in a row. you don't go from 36 college games to 82 NBA games in a much more physical league. He should never play in his first two years in the league, three games in a row. And I would limit him to about 24 minutes a night as a rookie. He's not physically built. Chet Holmgren, he's already hurt. He's already out for the year. He's not physically mature enough.

He's not built yet to play 82 games for 40 minutes. And he got hurt. Zion is like, had another good night last night. But Zion's like 22 years old. His game has no nuance. It's all bull in a china shop. It's run over people. It's big, strong, fast torque.

I kind of feel the same way with Zion. It sounds crazy. I would limit Zion to 68 games a year and about 27 minutes a night. And until he develops, and it may be a year to two away, some nuance, some layering to his game. So it's not all violence and all torque and all power and all full speed. He's going to get hurt again. How many of you this morning are sitting there thinking? Oh, yeah, he'll play through the season without an injury.

None of you. Not a single one of you. So sometimes you have to protect athletes from themselves. You know, you forget, college basketball is 36 games. And very rarely in college basketball, do you face, if you're a pro, right? You're really good like Zion or Chet Hongren. How often did Chet Holmgren in college or Zion in college face a pro in college? Very rarely.

It's not like college football. You know, you watch Alabama and Georgia play. There's 40 NFL players on starters, two deeps, three deeps. College basketball is different. There is a massive physical gap between college basketball and pro basketball. And whereas in college you can play if you're Alabama 14 games and then you go to 17 in the NFL, college basketball, you go from 36 to 82 minimum. That is a massive change for your body.

I would not play Zion more than 26 minutes a night, and I wouldn't play him more than 65, 67 games. Joe L.N. Bid was up for MVP last year. You know how many games he played? 68. And it's the most Joe L.M. Beds ever played in his career, 68 games. That's about what Joe L.M. Bid should play. You don't need him for Tuesday night at home against Sacramento.

No, you just don't. So there's just, right now Zion plays one way. All torque, all violence, all bowling china shop, all run over people, 100 miles an hour, and until he develops a little nuance, can shift it down, turn the governor down a little bit. I wouldn't play him as much. And by the way, Brandon Ingram now is the one. He's not the star. Brandon Ingram's more dependable.

and so all of a sudden he becomes a great two, but he's not going to play four games in a row. You're going to play him 68 games. Probably not going to play four games in a row. You think it's crazy, but sports now is all specialty. I mean, again, very few people like LeBron both ends of the floor 40 minutes, 20 years. It's not the way it really works. Sports is about specialization.

I think Zion needs to be protected from himself because this morning, not a single one of you think he's lasting the year without an injury. so modify his minutes and modify his games. Here's Zion after another game, the Pelicans route Brooklyn. That's a story in itself later. Here's Zion. It was a decent starter performance. I already spoke to my mom in the hallway, you know.

Hardest critic I got. But it's a lot of room for improvement. I'm still learning my teammates. Now we get real in-game reps. I'm just excited to grow. By the way, do you see the line he put up last night? He didn't play huge minutes. In the NBA regular season, especially before the All-Star break,

you're not getting great defensive effort. Not everybody, even the Warriors. They're like, well, Clay and Draymond aren't in great shape yet. There's no reason to play him huge minutes and every night. There's absolutely no reason. I mean, he played 30 minutes last night and put a, massive all-star numbers. I'd even pull it back to 28. Prices on everything, just about everything, are rising.

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the time with the politicians who are just nuts. They're off the rails. They're goofy. But yeah, it's my senator. And so you kind of think, well, they're successful. They may know what they're talking about. A lot of people don't. But success buys you a lot. And Tom Brady's barkinged offensive linemen this weekend. And one of the great players, one of the great offensive lineman in the NFL in the last 10 years. Jason Kelsey of the Philadelphia Eagles, very funny guy, very outspoken, does not like quarterbacks getting in his face, you know, except one. Listen, he's Tom Brady.

I can't say nothing. Tom yells at me. I'm probably not going to say nothing neither. But play no lines hard. If there's one thing I do not like, it is quarterbacks getting into offense alignment. Like, bro, I am doing the best I can, brother. The fuck out of my face.

I will put you in that trash can over there. if you don't shut the fuck up. The last thing I want is a motherfucker that can't get hit, or it's called Ruffin the Passer to come up to me and tell me how to fucking wrestle somebody every play. Very funny guy, a little profane, but if you look at the history of Jason Kelsey, his quarterbacks have been Nick Foles,

Sam Bradford, Gardner Minchew, Mark Sanchez, Vince Young, Carson Wentz, and now an emerging player in Jalen Hertz. They shouldn't yell at him. And like, walk, through actors on a set shouldn't yell at the production staff. But Tom Cruise did because he thought they were wasting their time and wasting the studio's money.

And the video got out. And Tom Cruise was very upset and reamed everybody. And it mattered. And he was right. And by the way, Steve Jobs used to bark and Bill Gates at the Apple and Microsoft meetings. They've earned it. If Sam Bradford yelled at Jason Kelsey, it would look utterly ridiculous. Jason Kelsey is going to be a first ballot hall of famer.

You know, you see these studies all the time. Taller people are more successful. It seems unfair. But Michael Jordan, you watched the documentary, treated a lot of people harshly. And they all said we're better for it. Success matters. One of the reasons I defended Brady barking and Kobe barking and Peyton Manning. I didn't defend backups barking.

That's what I say about Aaron Rogers. I'd like more wins. Like you can be snarky and cynical, but it'd be nice if you want to more and beat quality teams, but he is Aaron Rogers. So, you know, by the way, Travis Kelsey, Jason's brother, who is also going to be a first team hall to fame. Did you notice he didn't talk during that? He didn't talk about getting yelled at?

You know why? Because his quarterback's Patrick Mahomes and his coach is Andy Reed. And Andy barks and Mahomes infrequently barks as well. And Travis would listen to that. It is the reality of it. Goats get a bark. I don't know if they do in real life, but in sports, business, tech, movies, they do. And sometimes it's appropriate and uncomfortable.

But Tom Cruise gets to. The D-List actor doesn't. J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, let's start with the 49ers of Chiefs. A pretty big game on Sunday, obviously the Super Bowl rematch.

They have not met since that fateful game. when Patrick Mahomes led the stirring comeback and Kyle Shanahan choked away another Super Bowl. Here he is talking about preparation for the big game. I hadn't watched it for a while until these last two days, but yeah, I don't like watching it. But this week it wasn't about that. I had to watch it for schematic reasons and what our history is together. I loved thinking of our team that year. I felt like that year we had the best team of football, but we ended up being the second best

because we didn't get it done in that. They're missing the fastest guy on the planet to me. but I mean they got a lot of players all over and the quarterback spreads it around and they're still just as effective. This game to me is an injury report game. Oh yeah. I want to look Sunday morning at the injury report. And if the Niners get three to four of their starters back, I like the Niners.

If they get one or two, probably Kansas City. But that line starts at three. It's down to two and a half. Some money came in on San Francisco. Shanahan referenced that play where Mahomes hit the bomb to Tyree Kill in the Super Bowl, just flipped everything in the fourth quarter. Casey doesn't have that dude anymore. And defenses have adjusted to Mahomes.

They're not giving up the bomb. If you see nothing deep over the top for the Chiefs. I felt people, they would be productive, but it would be a different level of production. It's like if a baseball team averages four and a half runs a night, one year and four and a half the next, but now they're more power-driven. Like the Yankees score their runs through power.

That's what they do, right? So Kansas City is going to score a lot and get a lot of yards. but they will not be as dominant late in games trailing because Tyreek Hill allowed you more big plays and to score faster. I mean, this team trail 24 in a playoff game to Houston and came back and win. By 30. Yeah. So, I mean, I think my prediction was Kansas City will score just about as much and be just

about as productive, but they won't score as fast. And what's that mean? That the Niners believe when they're healthy and they're right. They have better personnel than Kansas City. They're at home. Four of those hurt players come back and play, I think the Niners win the game. How about this? I write up games for Fox Sports.com. Guess who is tied for the league lead in missed tackles this season, the Kansas City Chiefs?

What are the San Francisco 49ers? The Yak Kings, right? Shanahan gets it to them in space. Ayuk, Debo Samuel, get loose. I'm worried about that Kansas City defense column. It didn't lot look good trying to stop the bills. They need an edge rusher. Chris Jones is great from the inside.

They need an edge rusher. Clark has not really been delivering. All right, next up, Green Bay Packers. Wide receiver, Sammy Watkins has been out since week two. This is a yearly thing with Watkins. He's always injured. However, he returned to practice this week, and Matt LaFleur would not say if he's going to play Sunday.

Watkins is preparing as if he'll be on the field and says he's ready to do whatever he can to help his team. But I wonder, no Randall Cobb. We know he's out due to the injury. If Watkins cannot go, can Washington make this thing interesting? Their secondary is not great. But if you've got what the kid, the rookie Watson, the rookie Dobbs,

Alan Lazard, like nobody's scaring you in this Green Bay passing offense, Colin. This is... Well, yeah, I mean, there's a big difference between hating on the Packers and being honest about the Packers. If you really look at every one of their games, they're all kind of the same. They come out on script, they're pretty effective, can do nothing in the second half when you've got to add some stuff. So my issue, if you go back to year one with Matt Lafleur, my big knock on him was he was not a good second half coach.

So he's obviously good on script. Some coaches sit in film rooms, they dial up 12 plays, you score in your first two drives. I think Matt Lafleur is that. There is no proof he is a great coach in the playoffs, in the second half of games, when you have to adjust. So I don't think, I think Shanahan's a great adjuster. Reed, Belichick, Harbaugh, Brian Daibold showing that he's a great adjuster. Pete Carroll. LaFleur may be a coach who's great dialing up 12 plays, great at practice. They work early, but this is now the first year they were a bad post-half-time team. Once again, they're a bad

post-half time team. Maybe Aaron is the kind of guy that doesn't love major adjustments at half. I'm just winging it here. But I look at this team for Green Bay. If they don't have a sizable lead after a quarter and a half, you got yourself a dog fight. This is what they've become as a team. They can't pull away from anybody. And I know you're saying that, you know, Rogers would make it happen in the second half. A lot of that was, hey, we've got a cheat coat over there. This guy, Devante Adams, let's just get him the ball. He can get open. They can't do that now. They cannot separate from teams. That loss against the Giants is still. I think it still stings them inside. Like, dude, we're up 173. How do we blow this?

They don't have a deep threat. So Scantling's gone and Devonte's gone. So it's death by a million cuts. offense. So it's mostly been with Aaron a big play offense. They do not have big play offense personnel. So this is their new reality. And the frustrating part is we thought they were going to be good defensively run the ball. They're not running it as often as they should and they're not playing good defense. So we can all blame Aaron for this. But this, the construct, it's what LeBron said the other night. We don't have any three-point shooters. This is not what we're built. This offense has no dependable. Sammy Watkins is never available. They have no dependable deep threat. All the good teams in the league have it. They're like the singular team that doesn't have it. Washington was

getting five and a half. It's down to four and a half. And that's what to upgrade at Taylor Heineke from your buddy, Carson Wentz. I think Washington's a interesting underdog this weekend. We'll find out tomorrow. A big third story, Colin. Broncos running back, Melvin Gordon. He was benched on Monday night. Goodness gracious. He was terrible. I mean, he's been awful. He's a fumble machine. However, he and Nathaniel Hackett have confirmed he's going to start Sunday against the Jets. Very exciting news for my Jets. Melvin Gordon back in the starting lineup. We'll take it.

Colin, I don't know. What do you do with Denver right now at 2 and 4? I've got, listen, Melvin Gordon, he's your best running back. So they have this kid named Boone, I think,'s the other kid. Dude, I picked him up in fantasy. He was on special teams Monday night, Colin. They got Latavius Murray off the street. He was cut by somebody two weeks ago.

He had like 15 carries. What's going on? You've got to play Melvin Gordon. You have to play them. The bottom line is it drives me nuts. But this is, you know, that first week, first couple of weeks. But I think once you lost that young star running back, this is what you are. You know, people can point fingers and want to get rid of stuff.

But Denver is not good enough offensively to not play talented people. No offense gone. Outside of Cortland Sutton, it doesn't look like. To me, Russell Trust. the receivers. The offensive line isn't good. Garrett Bowles is out. So you're like, you have to play Melvin Gordon. He's got to get nine carries a game. This is what you are now. Yeah, I saw this summer, the line for this game. This summer, you know, they put them up in the summer in Vegas. Broncos minus seven in the summer. They were expected to be great than Russell Wilson, right?

It's down to one and a half. That's a big adjustment, Colin. Are the Broncos as bad as Vegas thinks they are? Yes, right now they are. I love to hear it. Jay Mack with the news. That's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. You know, so it's funny. A lot of stuff in college football passes that doesn't pass the smell test in the NFL. I saw Nick Saban this weekend, just going berserk, just headset crazy, ranting, raving.

That doesn't, you can't do that in the NFL. That's like sophomoric, it's juvenile. players are going to look at you like you're nuts. The other thing college coaches do, when you interview college coaches, a lot of them through the years, they end the conversation. If I brought Ryan Day of the Bucks on or, you know, Wisconsin's new coach, they end the conversation saying, go badgers. Right?

Like, it's kind of a thing. You know, go Nittany Lions, James Franklin, if you interview them at the end, you know, because you're constantly having to sell. yourself to recruits. So college coaches, they have to walk into a house, mom has to like them, dad has to think they're pretty ethical and cool, and the kid has to think they work. You're constantly selling them. So in college, you know, saying go badgers, it just works.

Also, because college coaches have all the power in college, you can yell and be a lunatic, and a lot of it, like Harbaugh, in the NFL was too intense. Sabin in the NFL was viewed as too intense. It works in college. But Russell Wilson is doing something, and I think it drives people crazy. So everybody now is banging on Russell Wilson because he's too optimistic. So was Tim Tebow and everybody loved him for a while. So was Kirk Cousins.

And most people think he's pretty good. But Russell Wilson ended that interview and has ended several interviews with Les Ride, Bronco country. And people don't like it. It feels collegiate. It feels inauthent. And in the NFL, it is interesting because you don't have to sell anybody in the NFL. It's a business.

Remember, teams pick the players. In college, players pick the school. So you're constantly selling yourself. Michael Robinson on the NFL network on our show later, he wants Russell to stop being so college-y, nicy, optimistic. Here he is. how can you stand up there and you know the offense looks like this

you know all these questions around here about you and about this offense and you just say oh we just need to execute better let's ride we need to execute better let's ride if you're a teammate in that locker room you're like dude be human please call somebody out be upset about something don't just act like this is just business

as usual by the way I don't think that's who Russell Wilson is. I don't think it's who Tim Tebow is. I don't think it's who Kirk Cousins is. All have religious convictions. They don't swear. They're very eternally optimistic. I think it's who they are.

And I think you have to be who you are. Aaron Rogers sometimes is so authentic. He rips vaccines. He's talking psychedelics. He's ripping coaches. I want to manifest my destiny. And I'm like, ugh. But in truth, that's who Aaron.

and Rogers is. Kyler Murray can pout. Kyler Murray can ghost people. Kyler Murray can. That's who Kyler Murray is. So, you know, I've talked about this over the last couple of years. I used to be very kind of rigid on it. I want my quarterbacks to be this.

But I don't know if asking Russell Wilson to be inauthent and not what he is and snarky and cynical and loud and volume, he used to say go hawks and nobody cared because they If right now Denver was 6 and 0, we would be like, man, let's ride. It'd probably get a national commercial. But it shows in the NFL, it's all winning. In college, nobody would care about that. And in Seattle, nobody cared about it. Nobody cared about Go Hawks.

Nobody cares about all the college guys doing it. But you lose in the NFL and that like optimism. I mean, Tebow, a lot of you folks bought into him. I didn't. I thought it was cheeseball. I didn't think he could play. Everybody bought in to Tebow when he was winning. Like smart NFL people bought into that eternal hope and optimism.

Guy couldn't throw an out. He couldn't throw an out pattern. But you bought into it. The minute it turned for Tebow, he was corny. Right? Like Kirk Cousins, you know, that miracle win, the Minnesota miracle, nobody talks about corny. So that's why in this league, it's all winning. That's all it is.

Everybody is viewed differently when they win. Nobody cared about Gohawks forever. Let it ride. He said it twice publicly. Everybody is out on it. I think you have to be who you are, even if it's Aaron Rogers and Snarky. A Nick Mann goal to the Jets around the corner.

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And now the Jets, last year we didn't know. I didn't know if Zach Wilson worked. I didn't know if I liked Robert Zala. I didn't know. They're four and two. They've got kind of a way they play. It's very much about defense running game. and now Nick Mangold, the former Pro Bowl Center, is joining us live in New York,

Ring of Honor, New York Jet, by the way. So we've got a bunch of things that you're connected to here. But when I watched this Jet's team, Nick, is a little, it's a little like your team, very good defense, excellent special teams, young quarterback. When you watch it, do you see the recipe that you were part of? Yeah, you see it. It worked for us when we had those rushing attack teams. And it's working for them too.

And I think the big key is the stellar defense, keeping them into things and allowing them to really run the ball and really commit to the run, which has been a big help. And it's been fun to watch. I mean, we're on a three-game win streak right now, which we haven't had in a long time. So it's fun to have good football back in New York. Now, Zach Wilson, the quarterback, he's got an arm. He moves a lot. what I think Saul is doing it looks like they're like

listen kid we're going to give you 18 attempts complete 11 we're not asking this is not the Josh Allen playbook what's your interpretation of what you see I've seen from this kid in his first 15 or so starts so I think I've seen a kid growing up you know you watch him

he was trying to make every perfect play and trying to do things and you know learning on the fly coming in as a rookie and so then you know having the injuries and being able to sit back a little bit and kind of learn the game and get into it. He feels much more comfortable in the pocket and making the right decisions. I noticed today that said he hasn't had a turnover in two games,

which is a good thing because that keeps the game close, allows him to run the ball, keeps the defense going. So I think he's playing smart football right now, and he needs to continue that. And I think we'll see the growth. I mean, he's got a great arm, and he is mobile in the pocket.

I think we'll see the growth in the passing game as he just keeps maturing. So you were with Brian Dable, he was the Jets quarterback coach. Very relatable guy. What he did with Josh Allen is almost unheard of. He took an incredibly inaccurate thrower and turned him in about a year and a half to a very accurate thrower.

And now he's taken over the Giants. And he may have just saved Daniel Jones' career. So take me inside. What's his secret sauce? What did you notice early about him? Yeah, you know, I noticed early on he's a fantastic coach. very knowledgeable, knows what he's talking about. And I think what I've seen from my time with him back in 07 or 08, somewhere around there,

to now is he seems so much more comfortable in his own skin. He kind of had that New England error about him where he was like trying to follow the Belichick style. And now it seems more like his personality is showing. And he's being able to be more true to himself. And I think that combined with his knowledge and his coaching ability have put the Giants in a great spot so far. Giants Jets, if they play today, I know you were a former jet, But if they played today from what you've seen, who's the better to you? I think the Giants are slightly better.

How does it land for you when you watch them both play? I mean, obviously, I'm picking the Jets. There's nothing. I mean, that was a given. You know, I think even if the Giants were 6-0, I'd still pick the Jets. You know, I think to me, I think the defense is really the main key here. You know, the offense, they both run on the ball. Jets and Giants are both running the ball.

But I think the Jets' defense has the edge up on the Giants defense. All right. So we've been talking about this for about four or five days on Brady yelling at offensive linemen. Michael Jordan yelled at teammates. Kobe did. Tom Cruise yells on a production set. Steve Jobs yelled. Success does matter.

Jason Kelsey is like, don't yell at me, but I'd probably let Tom Brady yell at me. So as an offensive lineman and an elite one, and let's be honest, your guys' careers don't last long. when you leave you got mangled shoulders, knees and hands. Truthfully, what do you make of the yell on it that really barking for extended periods of the O line? I didn't like it. And I know what Jason said, and he talked about how even if it's still Tom Brady, so I would allow it to happen. I mean, you're going to take it and it's going to, that's an offense line.

Like, you're going to sit there and take it. But I think it's disappointing, especially when you look at kind of the outside factors around that where he goes to New York City, has a party with Mr. Kraft, misses the Saturday morning meetings walkthrough, and just flies to Pittsburgh and meets the team there. Like that, that is the part that rubs me the wrong way. Sure. So, you know, when you have a guy that isn't fully, what it seems fully not bought into the team and then coming at you for your play on the field when, let's be honest, I mean,

every guy out there is trying his best. It's not like someone's out there like, ah, you know what? I think we can go halfway on this game. It would be very disappointing for me. Yeah, and by the way, Andrew Whitworth said the same thing. You missed that Saturday meeting, that's a valuable. So the Saturday meetings, meetings, I never knew they were this valuable, but do you put a new offense?

What is it about that Saturday morning meeting? I don't think, I actually, truthfully, I don't think the meetings really matter that much Saturday morning. By that point, the game plan's already in. you should know by the back of your hand. The walkthrough is simple. It's quick and easy. I think it's more about the presence of being there.

You know, being with the team, being a part of the team, and that's the part that hit me. I mean, I don't think it's as important. I mean, Tom has probably forgotten more offensive ideas than all those guys know combined. But it's the idea of being a part of the team. He could easily flown back from New York City, back to Tampa,

for those Saturday morning meetings, and he chose not to. Okay, I got to ask you, because when you're a lineman, you don't get a lot of second and third chances. So, Gino Smith walked into this league from West Virginia. I met him one, like, he's going to be that guy, go to New York, and it didn't work. He got into a fight with a teammate. He got decked. There was a lot of stuff.

And now I watch him, and he's been in this league now a while, and I'm like, wow, like, like he's accurate. He was always big. He's a big guy. What do you make of Gino's numbers? He's top five in the league in passer rating. What do you make of it? You know, I look at a kid that matured. You know, I don't think he was ready for the big city lights coming into the jets. And, you know, it was a little immature. And now, I mean, he's, I think this is his 10th year. And so I think he's learning more about how to go about the game, go about being an NFL player. And he's always had a strong arm. Yep.

And so I think that showed through college, and even when in time with the Jets, like he still had the arm. But now I think there's that maturity level that has allowed him to be where he is and get Seattle going there. So there's an interesting story. I don't consider it a quarterback controversy because Mack Jones hasn't done enough to warrant the outrage. He's a 500 quarterback with Belichick.

But Bailey Zappi is a late round pick, and I watched them the last couple of weeks. Nick, and I'm like, he's got an accurate arm. He's got good feet. And it's quite possible that he's as good as Mac Jones or, as we know, Tom Brady's six round better. Go back to your NFL career. You were a top pick. Were there guys occasionally that walked into camp and you're like, that dude's a fifth

round pick? Is it possible Bailey Zappies better? Go back to your career. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely possible. I think a lot of times we put a lot of pressure on to picks like where you were taking in the draft and really it's a

crapshoot and so to see this kid doing well I think Bill is going to ride the hot hand and you know as long as Zappy keeps winning I think that's good especially since he's doing it the way that Bill likes he doesn't make mistakes he puts the ball where it needs to go handing the ball off

he's doing all the things that I think Bill cherishes so for me I don't think there's conversation right now because he is getting the job done. Yeah, Ring of Honor inducted this year with the Jets, seven Pro Bowls in 11 years. He'll be on first things first today. Nick Mangold, good seeing you, bud. Thank you.

Appreciate you having me. You bet. Yeah, I don't think Matt Jones is a controversy. One guy drafted in the first, the other guy drafted in the fourth, and the fourth round players as good as the first, and makes fewer mistakes. Like, DAC not coming back at 40 million, that's a quarterback controversy. but essentially this league is all about personnel. Half the NFL players, half were never drafted.

I mean, Antonio Gates for the Chargers, walked in as a rookie, undrafted. And you're like, he's going to start over all the other first, second, fourth, fifth round, tight ends. Like, to have a quarterback controversy, what did you give up for Mack Jones? Well, nothing. You just drafted him. You didn't give up first round picks. What are you paying him? Nothing.

What's his winning? He's like, doesn't he like one game over 500? What's his production? He's got like 24 touchdowns on 18 picks. That's not a quarterback controversy. That is the guy drafted later is as good and plays our schemes better than the guy drafted sooner. Mack Jones is apparently healthy, but it doesn't rise to a quarterback controversy.

Every single team, I mean, the Chargers drafted a guard this year in the sixth round from Georgia. Memo to the NFL. Draft Georgia guys. They're good. So they drafted a six-round guard from Georgia. Their left tackles out for the year. They put him at left tackle.

He had like back-to-back great games. It's like some dudes can play. Like so it's not like the NBA where outside of like, you know, Yokic for Denver, there are very few great all-time second-round players. I think Manu Janobley was a second-round guy, I think. Dramon's obviously not a huge score.

Yokic was a second-round pick. Yeah, Yokic is the second round player. Yeah, Yokits is the guy. Like, like, that is rare. It's very infrequent. It's very infrequent in baseball. A 28th round guy becomes like Derek Jeter.

That doesn't happen. But in the NFL, it happens constantly. Montana was a later pick. Russell Wilson, Tom Brady. I mean, a lot of these tight ends were not first round picks. Travis Kelsey drafted later. Grong, I think, drafted second or third round. So I don't, I don't think the Mack Jones thing, to me, it's, we didn't give up anything for him.

He doesn't have any resume. He wasn't playing his, well as Bailey Zappy. Why would I bring Mac Jones back? What do I owe Mac Jones? It's, he's just another first round pick and 30% of those are busts. Great point. I don't, I don't see this as a quarterback controversy at all. I would literally, I would not give up the job unless Bailey's Appie's going to go out and they're going to beat Chicago this weekend. They should. They really should. They don't win that. Now, now, if he has three turnovers against Matt Eber Fluse, then we can go back to Matt. But this is not, where's the,

Where is the alliance of Mac Jones defenders? Where is it? This is not a number one ranked morning show for 25 years in the city getting replaced because management and the host don't get along. I got two guys that are the same. Greg CoSell next. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.

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