The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Celtics blow another lead

Episode Date: May 8, 2025

Colin can’t believe the defending champion Celtics blew another 20-point lead in the 4th quarter at home to fall to 0-2 He explains why the Cowboys might have made a mistake trading for wide receiver George PickensSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, what a night. What a night. I know what I said. Occasionally a little off the mark. Live, it's the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Jay Mack, you are a Knicks fan. I love what they've become.

I think they're patient. Jalen Brunson's the best quarterback in the city, regardless of what sport he plays. easy to root for Villanova guys. I was in a place last night at setting in Los Angeles with about 60 people. And there wasn't a single Celtic fan there. People could not believe the collapse.

Wild is the only thing I can say. Really tough to repeat in this league, Colin. And the Boston Celtics, they're in trouble now. It's official. 30-plus years of watching, covering the NBA, I have never seen what just happened in Boston. And I thought about it. I thought about it this morning.

I've never seen this. A world champion starts a series at home, heavily favored both games, has 20-point leads in both games, and not only loses, had no guts at the end. The champs supposed to have a champion's confidence. I find the Celtics, honestly, after last night,

hard to root forth. All they are now is a math formula. Three-pointers regardless. And last night to me was not just a win for the Knicks, it was a win for analytics, which is my term. It's a little analytics, but it's about men and resilience and grit and toughness and not being nervous Nelly in the clutch. This isn't just about the Celtics. Mikhail Bridges and OG on the wing are dudes, Brunson and Josh Hart, classic Villanova overachievers, who again are never rattled in the moment.

They're playing the double big lineup. This is not just about the Celtics, but they are the world champions, so that's the primary focus today. And I know what I said. The Knicks are not going to win another game. I know it, but watching the Celtics collapse, you know what I thought about? The math nerds will not take over our sport. The basketball gods are pushing back. Wall Street, AI, tech, it's all being taken over by analytics.

Can we just have our basketball? Boston missed 75 threes in the last two games. By the way, 11 for 11 on dunks, how about a few more of those? I found myself at the end sort of enjoying the collapse. These scrappy, tough, resilient, state-in-collejoice Villanova guys, and that's what the Knicks are. They're Villanova professionally. Ironically, the last, the only bucket the Celtics hit,

in the last eight minutes, At home, with a deeper, better roster was a dunk. Remember those? Used to have those. That was it. So when they went away from analytics, they actually scored. So Boston completely earned last night. And again, you got to give New York credit.

And I think it's a real thing. There's a term in the NBA, Villanova guys. Bridges and Brunson and Hart, they stay in school. They had to play defense, mostly from the Northeast. tough guys, been around big cities, recruited out of D.C., it could be New York, it could be Boston. They're never afraid of the moment. And so let's not just hammer on the Celtics. A lot of this is just the Knicks being a team that never quits.

I mean, the Villanova with Jay Wright, they didn't have five-star guys. They had three-star guys. Calipari had the five-star guys, the one-and-done guys. So, you know, sometimes I'm sitting there watching it. I always said playoff basketball, to me, has always been one thing. actually two things but one thing really get a bucket get a stop that's really it we talked about this yesterday the crowd's going crazy new york just go get a bucket maybe it's too free those go get a bucket go get a stop and it's like sometimes watching the celtics and all

their analytics go down the drain it's like sometimes it is funny to watch the math nerd get his pants pulled down and that's what happened last night That's what happened last night. And I'm going to say this. Give the Knicks credit, and I don't use this term much. That is an all-time choke. I'll give you one. I'll give you the first game because you dominated the Knicks all year.

You got sloppy, and the Knicks were a good team. I'll give you the first. That's not a choke. You lost a lead. It's a little embarrassing. Last night's a choke. That is a full-on choke. This team, by the way, Boston, 11 for 11 on Dunkin.

attempts. You want to try those. The closer they get the basket, the more they make their shots. Here was Josh Hart after. I don't think we even know what we're capable of. I think we have to continue to build. I think we have to put together a full game. And I think that's something that we haven't done during the course of this playoffs.

Continuing to get better. No one else who's worried about that? Yeah, and figuring out a way to put together a full 48-minute game. So let's now focus on Jason Tatum. Can we finally put this the bed? He's the face of the league. Thank God we can stop arguing about that. But remember this.

Do you remember during the Olympics? When Steve Kerr, I don't know, I think he knows a little more basketball than me and you, Steve Kerr wouldn't play Tatum. And Boston Southie was really upset. Chowda. What is wrong with Ker? He knows more basketball than you. Sully, he does.

And they wouldn't play him. And this is why. Ability without aggression. He wanted closers. If you can't play for Boston and clutch moments, you're not going to play for the country. This is what Steve Kerr saw. Two of his last three shots were followways.

Because I think at his core, he has to be convinced to be aggressive. There was a moment at the end of the game when Tatum drove in, 18 seconds left, Gabe Boston lead dunked it. And my reaction was, whoa, that was aggressive. Because he never does that. I mean, it was like, oh, wow, it was off-brand. I mean, these 6-8 long and athletic can beat guys off the dribble all night.

Do it. Last night was somebody swat and chalk out of Goodwill Hunting's hand. And Tatum is really what's ironic here, juxtaposed, with Brunson. He's the anti-Brunsen. Brunson is workboots, and Tatum is leather loafers. And if it's a little drizzly outside, best not wear them. I'm serious. Everything about Tatum, Tatum gets anxious.

He looks a little nervous. He's a bit passive. He's indecisive. He's unbelievably talented. Brunson's pretty talented. Tough as nails. All grit. Villanova tough.

they're like opposite players. One guy is just put on the work boots, head down, don't need marketing. Never forget Jalen Brunson, and you do not see this in the NBA much. Jalen Brunson's like, I'll take a little less money. I want to play with my guys. That is so Villanova. You know, Villanova, you go to Billanova, class is hard. You play defense.

It's not one and done. Even with NIL, they're not going to pay you the most. Villanova is a culture. It's not just the name of a university. And that's what the Knicks play like. That's why they're so easy to root for. Like not all New York teams are easy to root for. I get people that don't like the Yankees and the payroll.

The Knicks are fun. And Brunson is the anti-tatum. And Celtic fans know it. You could hear them early in the game getting uncomfortable. And I'm not an anti-Tatom guy. But when I was saying this during the Olympics, I get it. a DNP coaches decision. When I've been saying this face of the league stuff,

it's like I have defended the passive nature of Tatum. But man, there's a reason everybody loves MJ. I mean, there is a reason. Six for six, he punched Steve Kerr. There's a reason why Kerr loves Draymond Green, who's limited athletically, who's limited offensively, but gives you everything, relentless. And so I thought it was fitting last night.

As they were collapsing, I'm like, it's the perfect team and guy to collapse to. The Knicks. The less talented Villanova of pro basketball, resilient, tough. They go into your place. I'm looking at this. Clutch time numbers between Brunson and Tatum. I won't waste your time on all of these. Forget the fact Brunson's got twice as many points.

Brunson's plus 18. Tatum's minus 16. Tatum's hurting his time. team. Brunson is sometimes exhausted, sometimes defensively gets abused a little because of his lack of size, but

he is never a detriment. Somewhere on the floor, Jalen Brunson's making your team better, here's the Celtics coach after the collapse. I think game one wasn't inefficient as I thought you just missed some really good looks. I thought today he passed up some ones that he was able to take, and so

you know, their switchability, their ability to impact shifts. definitely impacted tonight. So, yeah, they're not only missing easy layups in the beginning of the game. I thought he missed some, a couple there in the third quarter. But, yeah, I mean, they're a good job. O'Gianobes is a good individual defender, and they have good shifts and help behind. Boston could have blown both these games to Indiana, and it wouldn't feel the same.

And it's not just a Boston, New York thing. That's not it. It's the culture of the Knicks, which is, man, get a stop, get a bucket, Brunson less money against analytics. It's who you're losing to, how you're losing, and the star of New York is the anti-tatum, to me, at least emotionally. So, J-Mack, I thought of you on multi, as I was watching this game with friends, sitting around a table with friends.

I kept thinking you were next door to play. Yes. eating, you know, at high-end sirloin. And I kept thinking he is having the time of his life. It was the place I was at. And again, it's L.A. so nobody likes Boston, but a lot of people in L.A. don't like New York either. It was just wild to watch people's reaction.

It was like, the Celtics are collapsing in front of us, and they just kept hoisting up these awful shots. Yeah, I'm looking at the numbers here. I know you crushed Tatum, and I get that. I will point out Celtic starters two for 18 in the fourth quarter shooting. This is not only on tape. No, it's not. I'm surprised Joe

Mozilla escaped your opening right here, because I don't know that he's going to survive the next three weeks. But, but, but, remember, if you're talking about face of the league, I don't care about Peyton Pritchard or Al Horford. I don't care about Jalen Brown. This is somebody that's the face of the league and the team defends

him when commentators are critical and everybody rushes to his defense. Okay. But then, you got to on fourth down, make the easy throw. And here's the numbers on the screen, Tatum, fourth quarter and overtime. Not great, obviously, not outstanding. By the way, the critics, myself included, have always said he's a top eight player. I would go higher than that, but I would not.

We have an 82 game sample size of Jason Tatum for four straight years being first team all NBA. Yeah. 82 games times four. And he's been bad in two games. Like, I know you can't agree. That's not fair. He has been terrible. suspect throughout his career on a fairly regular basis in these moments.

I mean, last series against Orlando, he averaged like 31. Okay, nobody cares about Orlando. In the finals last year, he had two games of 31 points. And the finals against a match. Is it a two game series? Two out of the five, he went out of the third. I watched them against Golden State Wilt. Yeah, that was a tough one.

His first... When you say Jason Tatum, if you say, what is your knock on Jason Tatum, everybody has the same knock. Don't trust him late. I'm sorry. I get it. There's some evidence of that. He's also had some big game sevens.

I think he had 51 and a game six against Milwaukee. There's plenty of Boston reporters to tell you how mean we are. But it is really, when you put him against Brunson, they are opposite players. You remember when they got Bridges, the Knicks. I was like, they match up great with Boston. And then it didn't bear out in the regular season. It has in the post season. I'll throw this out you.

And why is it working in the postseason? And it didn't in the regular season. and this is my theory is New York's a more physical team. And the NBA decides, look at how the physical teams, by the way, the warriors defensively are physical. The T-wolves against the Lakers were more physical. New York, even at practice, there are a more physical team than Boston. Boston's pretty. Boston's outside.

Boston doesn't get to the free throw line. New York is a, in football terms, one of them's a passing offense, one of us, one of them them is a run game. So the Knicks, as the NBA allows you to play in the postseason and get physical, you know, I'm watching the first game and I'm like, oh, it's a blip. But last night, you're like, oh, this team's got a fullback. This team has double tied ends. They're playing double bigs. I like how he referenced at Tatum dunk where he drove and you're like, oh, wow, that was spectacular. Watch Mitchell Robinson on that play. He was up way too far by the three point line, Tatum dusted him. So on the next play, the game ending, Mitchell Robinson drops back. He's like,

I'm conceding the jumper, and Tatum, like, he just kind of wilted there at the end. That was a tough one. It's one thing to miss a final shot, but two of its last three shots were fallaways on the baseline. How about McHale Bridges? Game one, rips the ball out of Jalen Brown's hands at the end. Game two blocks. Tatum's pass. He's great.

No, we all loved McHale Bridges to the Knicks. We all said, okay, they finally have their wing defender, who can give you 20 points on any night. Nicks in the finals would be really good for the league, huh? A lot of content for this show. New York Knicks of the FI'm sure the... You'd be incorrigible. Broussard and company, they'll be going to the games, right? Oh, yeah, 40 minutes from now, Albert Breer stops buying the Cowboys Steelers trade from yesterday

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You see this with pro athletes, where it just, it just, it blurt. leads over the whole roster. Like Boston was like looking for Tatum to take over. Everybody knows that's our most talented guy. So this idea that, well, you know, Peyton Pritchard missed some shots and, well, this guy was that that's not what it's about. We all know who's getting the ball with Denver at the end of a game if you need a basket. We all know who's getting the ball at OKC.

SGA, not Chad Holmgren. Chad Holmgren got nervous at the free throw line. We all know who's getting the ball with the Knicks. Jalen Brunson's going to have the ball in his hands and score makes something happen. Boston guys are looking to Jason Tatum. We all know, I mean, that was the Kobe Shaq issue. They both wanted it, but Shaq couldn't hit a free throw late, so Kobe needed it, and Shaq wanted it. Tim Duncan couldn't hit free throws.

He had Manu and Tony Parker. There are exceptions when a guy is a liability like Janus at the end of the game at the free throw line, but Tatum's not. and everybody's looking around for Tatum and when he wilts, it affects the entire team. You're now entering the no bull zone sponsored by credible great rates, none of the bulls. So

there's the story this morning, reported by the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, Jerry Doolock. Mike Tomlin was the one and this is a tolerant guy. He's dealt with drama day one. He's the one that wanted

George Pickens out of there and bless the Cowboy fans' heart. They think they got just a steal here. But ask yourself, how'd Chase Claypool do when the Steelers bailed on him? Or, what was the receiver, Bryant? Martavis Bryant. What happened to Levian Bell and Deontay Johnson? Antonio Brown. What happened? So, listen, Tomlin's patient. And he's like, yeah, let's get him out of here. By the way, when Kyle Shanahan bails on a quarterback, you should listen. When Warren Buffett sells a stock, you should listen. When Mike Tomlin orders a code red, you may want to pay attention because he's like the most patient pro player guy in the league. A lot of guys won't even, they won't even put guys, like George Pickens was not on the board for certain teams. No interest.

Like, not interested. The Atlanta Falcons took an edge rusher, James Pierce. He was not on a dozen boards. Some teams just don't want the headache. Pitchburg drafts him. Tomlin deals with him. He's patient, and he said, nah. And Mike Tomlin is two things, great motivator, and he knows when to bail on people. And Jerry Jones, well, this is perfect for him because he's a saver. This is what he did with Jason Garrett, and he didn't have to save Jimmy Johnson or Bill Parcell, so that relationship eroded very quickly. But Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy, Brian Schottenheimer, Chan Galey, they got jobs they wouldn't otherwise get.

So it's almost like they're indebted to Jerry Johnson. Jones. Finally, Mike McCarthy was the one that went to Jerry last year and said, like, I'm done. And Jerry was trapped. Nobody had ever done that to Jerry. McCarthy's like, I got a Super Bowl. I got my $35, $45 million. I don't need this circus. And then what Jerry will do, and I don't doubt that George Pickens is going to have big games, big moments, great moments, and he may have a really nice season. And everybody's going to fall for it. And then Jerry's going to do, I told you so, I've saved him. And then he'll overpay him. If you want to use this kid for a year,

Plam helps the offense, helps Dak Prescott. I'm not opposed to taking guys on short term that elevate your offense. I'm not opposed to that. But be very careful because we know this to be true. I saw a story this morning, trading for Pickens is a bold move that cowboys have needed for years. No, it's another Jerry move that we're accustomed to, which he likes to save. He likes to find something on the draft heap, you know, the scrap heap and go, Dak Prescott, who found him in the fourth round?

That's what Jerry. Hey, I gave Jason Garrett a shot. Tony Romo undrafted. That was more Bill Parcells than Jerry. But that's Jerry's psychology. He likes that to save, to prove, he found something. He's a former wild catter. He'd find the oil.

He finds the jam. And, you know, we all know what the... That's fine. But you should probably keep really good coaches around. And you probably, if Pickens does have some great moments, and I'm sure he will. He's a tremendous talent. Fall in like with him. Don't fall in love.

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another game in the NBA last night. Nobody watched it. Denver against OKC and nobody watched it because it was over before it started. Oklahoma City wins 149 to 106. Now, Shade Gildjell just Alexander at 34 and 8, but this is mind-blowing. He was plus 51 down. In his minutes on the court, that is the best in any playoff game since they began tracking the stat in 97. Here's the MVP on his performance. We knew what was at stake tonight.

We came out desperate. We want to just take care and control the things that we knew we could. And we did a pretty good job of that, specifically to start the game. When that start carried us through the best of the night. Kind of expected this from Boston, but Boston won the championship last year. Well, Boston, by the way, at one point in this game, like the first game in the series, they were scoring easily, and every time New York got close,

Boston would get it back up to 12 and 14. Yeah, I mean, I just kind of felt like we see this about once a playoff series when a team gets up. Golden State did this against Houston. They waved the white flag eight minutes in. Denver had no interest. Denver was going to rest guys, get them off the floor. I don't take anything from it.

Denver now goes home, altitude advantage, home court advantage is theirs. I mean, nice win, but it doesn't... Had they won a close game and had great execution down the stretch, I would have been more impressed. That's what we question about OKC. We don't question OKC can blowout teams. We question OA, OKC and crunch time because they didn't play any crunch time games. So they would have been better served winning a close game and getting an exercise in crunch time minutes. You think OKC still wins a series?

They should. But I have questions. You think you get to a game seven with Gordon and Murray and Yokic and Westbrook. You would think that. But a bunch of kids. Game seven last year against Minnesota, led by 20, lost. Remember that? Minnesota wasn't just a bunch of kids.

You had cat and Gobert and Mike Conley. I'm torn here. But listen, I'm just telling people, be careful betting on the NBA. playoffs. It is just too crazy right now. You don't know which team's going to show up. Would it surprise you of Denver 1 by 20 in game 3? No. Not at all. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the Knicks go up 3-0.

And then it's 3-3. You just don't know what's going to happen. Boston's had great success in their sports, so nobody's going to lose any sleepover Boston losing. But it's not just losing. It's how Boston's losing. Two tough ones, man. Up by 20 a second half. You've got to close that out.

Let's go to the game tonight. Warriors' Timberwolves game in Minnesota, obviously no Steph Curry, but Chris Finch of Minnesota and Steve Kerr of Golden State, neither are happy about the physicality in the playoffs. Colin, maybe you should take a listen to what their thoughts are on this bully ball that's happening in the NBA postseason. Yeah, I mean, we'll certainly try to take justice into our own hands whenever we can. I think it's the nature of physical sport, but by the same token, you know, my God,

you should see some of these clips are just like pulling guard. and linemen out there just taking shots at Rudy. They were bare-hugging Steph, and they could have called six fouls. But the league has established the physicality in the playoffs. Listen, I love it, you don't. But what is funny is, I'm going to defend Kerr here a little bit, because there is no question. Butler and Draymond are like old-school tough guys.

And Minnesota's... Draymond gets... You know, Drayman's classic. Draymond is so physical that you could call him for a foul every play, and so you just sort of, he has moved the line on what you can do. And Mike Breen was complaining about this. But years and years ago, the Utah Jazz, when they had Stockton and Hornacek, Jerry Sloan, the late Jerry Sloan, who I watched play.

Sloan was a tough guy. I mean, Jerry Sloan got in fights on the floor, like he was a tough guy. So Utah, for being a dominant team for like eight, ten years, was never a great road team. They were unbelievable at home. And I could never figure it out. And then John Ireland, voice of the Lakers, said the reason, and I could not figure it out.

And I'm sitting there talking to him once, and he said, because the refs in Utah, they don't want to call every foul. And this team is so absurdly over-the-top physical, so Jerry Sloan, that when you go on the road, the refs are like, okay, we're going to call those, go either way, calls. Six or eight of those go against you.

The other team gets into the bonus. So those Utah teams used to, and they gave Michael Jordan teams trouble. They just moved the line on what kind of physicality was acceptable. The Pistons did this with the bad boys. After a while, you're tackling guys. A shove doesn't look that bad. I mean, somebody sent me a clip of, in the last round, Jabari Smith of the Rockets, essentially diving into Steph Curry's chest, no call whatsoever, to set a screen.

And that's what Finch is talking about. They're like pulling guards in the NFL. It's like a countertray or whatever. And the guards are just coming around blasting guys. I don't like it. You seem to like it. Are you changing your tune a little bit on this physicality? Listen, if you're a Knicks fan, you want this physicality.

That plays into your game. You're not a pretty team. You're not playing pretty basketball. It's man-al-lil-A. Ceylon Brunson is beautiful to watch. Come on. I think physical teams can intimidate. Draymond Green intimidates people.

Jimmy Butler intimidates people. So I think the Warriors and the Knicks, now that Steph's not on the floor, Steve Kerr tonight is begging. Privately Steve Kerr is praying that the referees let it be ugly and let they can grab aunt and they can grab. Because Curry's out. That's right, because Curry's not on the floor. So to me, New York and Golden State, they are built for what Adam Silver, whatever memo it is. I like watching physical basketball. I really do.

like what you think is teams have to be able to play both ways. You have to be able to play physical. You can't be too pretty. But also you've got to be tough. And it's like Boston's a little too finesse. Listen, OKC is kind of a finesse team, Colin. They are. Here's the thing.

Celtics do not get to the free throw line. Warriors pre-Jimmy Butler did not get to the free throw line. By the way, that's why Draymond Green has always been so important. And Andre Iguidalo was so important. Physical guys get them to the line. line and I and I and I that's why Jimmy Butler is do you know that the best defensive team in the league since Jimmy Butler arrived I didn't realize it's gold to say I didn't realize it's they are so they are tonight warriors are like oh keep the whistles in the dressing room so do you think

that'll this tonight's game will be similar to okay so god yeah so minnesota oh yeah I don't think I don't think okay C's a pretty team I think they can be physical but young teams are never as physical as older team yeah just bigger older guys that know how to push the For sure. Final story is to the NFL where the Steelers obviously just moved off George Pickens and they wait for Aaron Rogers to make a decision. Now, this is wacky. In a recent interview, Steelers Minority owner Thomas Toll was discussing a business venture into AI, okay, and was asked about the Rogers situation. He said, I'm here to talk about AI and the Rogers situation is a more complex issue than artificial intelligence. What is he saying, Colin, that Rogers is just

holding their franchise hostage? No, I think Aaron comes with a lot of stuff outside of football. And so whatever. I think when you're in your prime, you can do that and everybody's fine. I don't think Aaron has a big market because of that. I think, you know, whatever you want to say about Aaron, there's just a lot of moving parts with him. Do you think behind the scenes, Roger said, I don't want Pickens, I want Lazard. Make that happen and I'm coming.

Is that reasonable to surmise? I think it would be a completely reasonable thing for Aaron, Rodgers. Rogers to discuss. I would defend Aaron to the core if Aaron said, love Metcalf. I'm not sure how comfortable I would be with a guy quitting on routes like Pickens. That's totally fair for a quarterback to say. But why not just go to Pickens then if you're Rogers? Hey man, I would think of joining. How's your mindset? What's going on? Meet up with him. What's wrong with that? Mike Tomlin ordered a code red. Mike Tomlin said, I can't handle it.

You think Aaron at this age wants to babysit players? Is Tomlin sitting on that grenade for Rogers so he gets him? Because Tomlin also knows Mason Rudolph ain't getting me nowhere. I need Rogers. Well, he needs D.K. Metcalfe. Mekaff and Aaron are great for each other. He's going to get 13 targets again. But I do think it's fair when you bring older quarterbacks that sometimes,

especially in a defensive culture like Pittsburgh, it's okay if Aaron wants one guy. He wants his Alan Lazard. I'm not Tom Brady wanted Gronk and Lenny Furnett. Like, it's okay. Listen, I'll come, but you've got to give me a little bit of a security blanket on third down. You got to give me my guy. And how much of this is the offensive coordinator is Rogers trying to get his own guy in there?

Because we know the Arthur Smith history. Listen, I don't know which reporter came on the show and said it, but Arthur Smith and Rogers will not work. Like unequivocally, they are oil and water. It will be a disaster. Well, Arthur Smith comes from, you know, Arthur Smith. His dad is. Yes, yes. Mr. FedEx.

Yeah. So Arthur Smith comes with a bit of a toad. And Rogers has a bit of a to do. Yeah, no, I don't think it's a perfect. You know, Matt LaFleur was more conciliatory with Aaron. Mike McCarthy early was a bit more conciliatory. Robert Sala was a bit more conciliatory. Arthur Smith, he'll just do what I want to do.

Who was the guy who coached in Denver and then went to the Jets as the O.C. hack it? Yeah, again. Rogers is steamrolling that guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He ain't steamrolling on Arthur Smith. No. No, he's not. Arthur Blank couldn't steamroll him as the owner of the Atlanta Falcons. J-Mack with the news.

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Mentally, physically, emotionally, the Knicks are tough. Same with the Warriors without Steph. The Warriors in game two tonight, Minnesota, they're not going to win that game, but they're better off the league not calling fouls because, you know, Golden State's got one way to win. So Tom Tibado gets criticized as a head coach, but what he did, and he's done this multiple times wherever he goes, he creates a culture. He's not just diagramming plays.

So the Knicks have an identity. It's very Villanova, and it's not the most talented roster. But again, Jay Wright was winning two Natty's at Villanova. Calipari won one at Kentucky, but that program at Kentucky didn't have the soul and the part of Villanova. And that's where Tibb lays the foundation in toughness, in grit. And then Jalen Brunson provides the soul. And he's a very good player. You know, there's no load management with the Knicks. They're, you know, they're the opposite of the clippers. In fact, he's been criticized Tibido for load mismanagement. He plays his guys and practices too hard. But I do think

it's, there's a real point about what the culture is. Culture is very, very hard for you to define, for me to define. What is culture. You know, your family's culture. Well, what is culture? Well, we go to church. That's not culture. That's going to church. The Knicks are 5 and O

on the road in the playoffs, and they've trailed in all five of those games, and three of them were close games. And I think this is the advantage to a Tibbs team. When your practice is hard, your team gets hard. Like Mike Vrable to New England. Watch New England be a very physical team.

Vrable, Andy Reid, is known for tough practices. And that's Tibbs. That was Pat Riley as a coach. Tough practices, create tough men. And it's fearless basketball. And that's why when they get down late in games, they don't care.

And Jalen Brunton talked about this culture and this identity of being so good in clutch time. Just going back to our days in college, just the way that we practiced and we've prepared for games, it was more mental than anything. And so when you get to the real life or the real game situations, you practice it, you've been prepared for it, you've been through moments like that.

And so no matter what happens, we're going to be together as a team. And then we're going to have each other's back regardless. Yeah, and there's no gimmicks with the Knicks. There's no, like, secrets. It's like you ever seen Adele? You know, it's like there's no pyrotechnics. There's no firework show. Great voice on stage.

Here's the mic. She's singing. And that's kind of the Knicks. Like they're going to play tough. They're going to play physical. Brunson's going to leave the offense. They've got some size. They've upgraded at wing.

Brunson's going to have the ball late. They're going to have really dry spells offensively because they're just not that gifted. They're not a pretty offense. Baskets don't come easy. Even Brunson, when he's scoring 28 to 34, it doesn't look easy. He's on the floor. He's getting banged her. round, but that really, that resilience is so valuable for a tough team.

This is just like Golden State. Golden State's really good in clutch time because they've been in so many clutch time games. By the way, this is what you see with OKC. OKC, they've not been in these tight, close games, and OKC looks so nervous in their game one loss to Denver. They had not been in games like that. Last year, Kansas City Chiefs were 11 and 0 in one. possession games.

There was a reason they were good because the last two years they've been in so many close games. And it becomes New England with Brady. You know, Tom would take less. They'd have a lot of depth. They didn't have outside of the Randy Moss years. It was about smarts and efficiency. And New England was always so good in close games against good teams because they won so many.

It just kept feeding off it. So, you know, I was thinking about this. This doesn't happen very often. that a team wins 14 games in the NFL like the Minnesota Vikings. And their reaction is, you know, I think we're going to go with a new unproven guy, J.J. McCarthy. So I just saw a story this morning about Kevin O'Connell and J.J. McCarthy. In a league where every good team knows who their quarterback is,

and even if it's a new quarterback like Donald of the Seahawks, you kind of know what Darnold is. Nobody knows what J.J. McCarthy is. I am a skeptic. First of all, he played for a college team known for a run game and defense. He was not asked to win games. He was asked not to lose them. He's got a modest arm.

He's marginally athletic. And again, he's going into a very good division. And this team seriously considered resigning San Francisco. Donald. So, in fact, you go up, we were looking this morning, I'm always so reluctant to embrace a quarterback when everybody says, I don't know how to describe it, he's a winner. Danny Werfel was a winner. Every Steve Spurrier quarterback, Florida was a winner. All of Urban Myers quarterbacks, everywhere he goes, are winners. Alex Smith was a winner and a good quarterback. So we went this morning and we were looking at sort of like what the draft people said about J.J. McCarthy coming in.

And this was Dane Bruegler. His strengths, mental prep. Weakness, very few examples of him adjusting protections at the line, played in an offense that leaned on the run game. Lance Zerline, who I trust. His strength is the ambiguous, well, he plays with a chip on his shoulder. weakness, modest arm strength, average escapeability. So all the stuff I'm supposed to love is this sort of nebulous, he's a winner, he plays with a chip, how's his arm, how's his athletic ability, how's his size? Yeah, huh, ha. So, and I've said this before, if you think about who should be dominating the NFL at quarterback, it should be Alabama guys and Ohio State guys, right, because they get the five, start at a high school, then they win the most in college, and you'd think, oh, it's just linear. That guy's going to be, how many great Ohio State quarterbacks in the NFL?

Because playing at Ohio State is fundamentally nothing like the NFL. Well, you always have the best teammates. You always have a lead. If you don't play particularly well, well, we'll just go to the ground game. And now, Ohio State's had a lot more teams historically like that than Michigan. those last two years with Michigan and Harbaugh, they were pulverizing people. They didn't even have to throw the football. I mean, they were going into Columbus, and they had the Buckeyes out of sorts.

So my take is these massive Quinn Ewers went in the seventh round. He was the last quarterback taken, and my take was he doesn't play trailing much outside of the Georgia games, and frankly, he gets better protection in college than he ever get as a pro, and he's got three wide receivers, they're all pros, and a pro-tied-in and pro-running-backed. real life in the NFL. You trail a lot. Teams need you to save the day a lot. J.J. McCarthy's just never done it. So I've got, I've got, I have so many questions about this. And I know Kevin O'Connell is all fired up on this, but it is very rare as I read a story this morning about this. 14 wins. And they're like, we're going to go with a new guy. And a new guy, I'll just say it.

I'm a skeptic. Now, I'm not a Zach Wilson skeptic. I think he can play a little bit. But I'm I think he's closer to Jackson Dart than Jaden Daniels. That's how I would say. I think he's closer to the Ole Miss guy that everybody suddenly loved after he stopped playing. He got better after he stopped playing than he is the Jaden Daniels. I'll just throw it out there. That's what you got Minnesota. How in the world you like Minnesota this year?

I like their coach. I'm going in blind on McCarthy. Totally. But to compare him to Jackson Dart, I mean, you were putting up the Jackson Dart stats against good teams in the SEC, and he vomited all over himself. Terrible. McCarthy was the opposite. Delivered when it mattered most game-winning drive against Alabama.

Do you know the last time he had like 30 attempts? He's not going to need 30 attempts. Dude, everybody in the NFL eventually needs 30 attempts. You are trailing a lot. In Minnesota, in that division with Detroit, Chicago, and Green Bay's offense, you're going to be trailing in the second half and have to throw it 44 times. You're aware they have this gentleman named just. Jefferson who catches passes.

Yeah, we'll double. Top receiver in the league. If it was just that easy, why don't they win in playoff games? So go ahead. Rank the quarterbacks for me in that NFC North, the tough division. Toughest division in the NFC. Rank them. Well, I mean, Jared Doff's been to a Super Bowl.

Okay, so he's won? And I would say Jordan loves the second most proven. And third is Caleb Williams. What is he proven? Well, we know how gifted he is. That's the problem about the NFC North Carolina. Jaydenials threw over 30 attempts. Like every time

11 times Every single time Okay and Jaden Daniels played in a weaker division They had no defense Washington defense was a trip Minnesota's great It was great last year

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