The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - CFB, USA, Saturday

Episode Date: November 30, 2022

Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Thoughts on the College Football Playoff rankings United States advances to the next round of the World Cup Colts interim HC Jeff Saturday's comments about their game against the Steelers   Guest: Eric Wynalda   #DouggottliebshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Well, it's going to be good. Obviously, yesterday, biggest story in the world is the World Cup. In the world of sports, it has to be our victory. Collectively, you did it, you did it, you. Yeah, soccer dad, you did it, soccer mom, you did it, you did it. You did it. I did it. We beat Iran.

What does it mean? We'll talk with Eric Winaldah, a member of the U.S. Soccer Hall of Fame, played in three World Cups. And a guy who has been as honest about his critique as any who covers or plays the sport, he'll join us upcoming in 15 minutes. Our good friend, Trent Dilfer, appears on the brink of taking a college job.

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Last night, the college football rankings came out. And it's not a, none of that's a surprise, right? Like a blind man could have woken up and seen exactly what it were, the four teams that it was going to be. The question was really the order of said teams. and what it looks like if one team loses, if chaos happens this year. And I think it's kind of fascinating, right? Like how much reputations do matter.

How much names matter. Because Ohio State is currently ranked fifth. And it's not like that was the game that they lost. was one that no one saw or no one remembers. Who you are at the end of the year is really what's important. I understand that there's arguments to be made in terms of, well, you play better teams at the end of the year and some teams don't play. Okay, maybe.

But in this particular case, Ohio State led in the first quarter, 10 to 3, at half, okay, they led 20 to 17, but in that game, they just, it was a bludgeoning. It was body blow after body blow after body blow that led to Michigan opening up a can in the fourth quarter, 21 fourth quarter points. And look, this is an Ohio State team that's vastly improved defensively over last year, adding not just personnel, but also Jim Knowles, who came over from my own moderate, Oklahoma State.

But in your own building, I guess here's the problem. And I like that, for the most part, on that committee, there are real football people and sports people. And they understand. But the fact that Ohio State would be sitting there, like, let's say TCU loses a game. TCU plays Kansas State this upcoming weekend for the Big 12 title. Now, keep in mind that TCU, who's ranked third, and I actually think that's the appropriate ranking. TCU has to play Kansas State, a team that they previously played at home. And by the way, a team that they had to come from behind and beat.

They scored 21 second half points, held Kansas State, scoreless in the second half, and they end up winning the game. But Kansas State had their backup quarterback at the time, right? So the idea, though, is that Kansas State, excuse me, that TCU has to beat a team twice on a neutral site as opposed to Ohio State that can sit there, not play anybody. And the last time we saw them, they got their asses kicked by their arch rival at home and just mauled. I think the other part to it is, and this is interesting, like, and maybe this is name and maybe this is reputation, or maybe Maybe it's me thinking coach and quarterback and it doesn't matter. And I realize that there have been times in which Bryce Young hasn't looked like the perfect prospect quarterback that he had previously in previous years.

But this is a hard balance, right? Like if you want to say, well, they've lost two games and you've lost, and Ohio State's only lost one, like, okay. But Alabama played a more difficult schedule. I don't think anyone would argue that winning at Texas is. is more impressive than beating Notre Dame first game of the season when Marcus Freeman hadn't yet won a game. Winning at Texas is a hell of a win. And there are two losses.

I get it. There's coulda, shoulda, woulda, and anybody's loss. There was no coulda shoulda woulda Saturday. There's no coulda shoulda woulda. Michigan beat Ohio State. They were the better team on Saturday. And if they play 100 times, I don't know if it's 50-50. I don't know what it is.

It does feel like Michigan is better this year than Ohio State, especially when styles make the fight. They're just more physical. They just appear to be more rugged and tougher. And, you know, what they've rebuilt with their defense as well as their style offensively. It does appear that way. But there's a difference for anybody else, I don't know. Alabama, who like Ohio State, but even more so, everyone's biggest game. Okay.

So let me help you with how the equities. works in my brain. Okay. Are we okay saying that Texas on the road is better than Notre Dame at Home Week one of the season? Even if you want to say slightly, I would say yes. You're okay with that. Okay. But if you want to say they're even, you can, a road win at Texas, to me more impressive. But if you want to say they're the same team, the same matchup, both talented teams up front, they're just, you know, having yet figured out, okay. I think. Texas is better, and I think road is far more impressive than home. But if we also factor in the reality that, the reality that the SEC is better, top to bottom,

in terms of overall talent and teams that can beat you, then the big 10 is. And oh, yeah, by the way, so that's two in the favor of Alabama. And though there are two losses, the Tennessee game, Tennessee won on some crazy stuff, an unbelievable football game and what was a goalpost scraper of a scud missile kick ends up beating him. That's one loss.

By the way, that was when Hendon Hooker was healthy and looked like he was going to win the Heism trophy. And then they lose the LSU, a game in which I still don't understand why Nick Saban went for two when they're up three. Had he just kicked the extra point, then the field goal would have been different at the end of regulation.

But they lose on a two-point conversion. That's what they lost on. Two-point conversion. At LSU, who's a super talented team, Baton Rouge under the lights. In the places that are difficult to win. Places that are difficult to win. Baton Rouge under the lights for anybody. And especially Alabama, that seems to tip to scale.

Like I think Arkansas is legit, good, talented. I know they finished under 500 in the SEC. That game they won on the road. Old Miss, everyone respects. That's a damn good team. They win on the road. Tennessee lost 52-49. I mean, those look like the two of the three best teams in the country.

Obviously, it would have helped if Auburn was decent or had they matched up with Georgia. But it's just hard for me to get out of my head, the fact that I saw Ohio State at home get absolutely mulled by Michigan in the fourth quarter. like so to me and again this might not affect anything but it's just odd that TCU has to beat a team twice granted this time they'll have their starting quarterback last time backup quarterback and if they don't and they end up with one loss and a neutral site to a very to a team that finished second in their league a team they have to beat twice somehow that would put them likely behind Ohio State and if we're going to hold losses like one loss is worse than if TCU's loss is somehow worse than Ohio State's loss,

well then can't we say the same thing about Ohio State's loss being worse than any of Alabama's losses? Doesn't that work as well? Like none of it makes any sense. We all know Georgia is the best team, the odds on favorite, and the only thing that the four-team playoff gives us, which is really a plus one, is a chance to see if TCU wins, who should go Michigan or TCU to play Georgia? And of course, SC could be the ultimate spoiler, although it does.

It feels very early in the process for Lincoln Riley's team to compete for win a championship. It just does. I'll also point out that, like, I know Collins all in on SC, and I love everything I've heard about the culture of SC and how much fun this team is. And Lincoln's energy and positivity is the reason that they've been so good as well as they got Caleb Williams, like guys best quarterback in college football. All that said, it does feel like Georgia was built much more for this. And they're further along in the process. And though Caleb Williams has more talent than Stetson Bennett or anybody that's thrown out there a quarterback,

the experience is kind of equal and everything else should be better for Georgia. I just point out that as we all push towards a 12-team playoff, we do realize that a 12-team playoff, it'll settle. it'll settle some of the arguments of LSU and Alabama and and Ohio State and whatever. But again, a 12-team playoff would mean that Ohio State, despite getting their asses kicked last weekend at home on Fox, they would get to play again for a national championship, which I don't know, strikes at the core of everything college football is supposed to be about. The regular season truly mattering. Ohio State would get a bid. There's no question. the question would be like should they do we need to have another team do we need to have another game to see them all right got some NFL stuff for you upcoming plus many questions about the U.S. men's national team as they advance out of the group stage we'll get the answers from hall of famer eric winnalda he joins us just around the corner be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on fox sports radio FS1 and the iHeart radio app.

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Doug Gottlieven for Colin. This is The Hurd on Fox Sports Radio, the iHeart Radio app. Eric Winaldo will join us momentarily. Of course, the Soccer Hall of Famer is, uh, we're coming off U.S. men's national team advancing. And it does feel like it does, I mean, I'm not going to sit here and lie to you and tell you I follow soccer.

Whether Colin follows it, obviously a lot more. than I do, right? In terms of the bandwidth, like in the sports you follow, like we'll just be honest, Colin follows college basketball a lot less than I do. Obviously, everybody, this is an NFL world. You know, NFL to NBA, to college football, then you substitute in. What else do you cover?

But look, the challenge to U.S. soccer to me is really, really simple, right? now as one of the youngest teams, now can you win a game? Now you start to make kind of the new, nuke-louche, like make your presence known with authority, right? Eric Winalda joins us. Of course, he's in the Soccer Hall of Fame. He played in three World Cups,

34 career goals and international play, which is a stud player, a guy who knows the game, understands the national team system as well. Eric, how big is it internationally for us to advance? out of the group. Well, it is a big deal.

And I'm going to be one of the first guys to say it. The way that this World Cup has gone with some of the little fish, if you will, coming up with big results, it doesn't seem like it's as big of an accomplishment anymore, and it shouldn't be, Doug. The reality is this team is a team that we can really start believing in. Let's bagged the whole idea that we're underdogs anymore. Let's stop with that mentality because this is a team. given the places that they play in the world,

the experiences that they already have as a young team, we keep calling them young, but I'll tell you what, when you've got guys in our midfield that play at Valencia and Leeds and the EPL and Juventus and Chelsea, we can't really, we can't really say that these guys don't have enough experience. I think they're poisoned ready to do something amazing right now.

Did we play well yesterday? Yes, we did, and here's why. One of the things that was very, I guess, we were all very critical of Greg Berthelter is the fact that we only had two shots on goal coming into the game. But we put things on the front put that's a hard team to break down. They really are. They had a big spill against England, but Iran is a team that is always going to fight.

They're difficult to break down. We scored a brilliant goal. We could talk about Burholter's tactics in the last 25 minutes and the fact that we all had to go check our heart rate and get some tums. But the truth is, is we finish the game strong, on the defensive side, and we are, you know, we're coming out of the first three games with only one goal against, and it did not come from their going to play. That is quite an accomplishment coming out of this group. Okay, you mentioned the tactics in the last 25. I mean, a lot of

people have been critical of some of the subs that came in and how they played, and Iran, they did have opportunities to tie the match. What's helped me specifically with, you know, kind of our brains work is, but your brain is on overdrive and understanding tactics and matchups and how things go. Help me out. What did I miss? Why did the subs? It's a great question because a lot of people out there is like, what are we doing?

Why are we sitting back? Why are we allowing them to attack? It's very similar to what happened in the Whales game. We all saw Walker's Emmerbitt's, you know, bad penalty kick on Gareth Bail, and it put us in a bad spot. We should have won that game, won nothing. Outside of that mistake, that was a very pragmatic, boring. game, if we're looking at it from an analyst standpoint, but we lost the game on a mistake.

You don't make that play if you have another defender standing next to you. So when he made the move to put five across the back, what that means is you don't need to go in anymore. Even if you get turned, you've got another set of legs that are going to come in and block that shot if there is one. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, let me slow you down. Okay, go in, meaning what? Meaning you don't go into that tackle.

You stand him up. He's going in the wrong direction. It was an ill-advised, unwise tackled by the basketball tournament. Don't take yourself out of the play, right? Exactly. Keep in front of you. Exactly. And one more body in there makes it a heck of a lot more difficult to get the shot off that you want.

Garfield probably would not have been able to make a play turning one guy and then realizing, okay, there's another big body that I've got to get through. So it is very similar to maybe a basketball analogy. But when we put five across the back, we're about Shaqmore in the game. Zimmerman, who hadn't had a particularly great game against England, and just to win headers and to battle, that was the logic behind that. And I see it as a very defensive. Of course, it's a defensive move, but it's just to ensure that we get the victory.

A lot of us wanted us to go for the second goal. Let's get the second goal. Let's put this game away, which we did not do. That was my thinking only in that, Eric, as you know, like the hard part about soccer is you can badly outplay. somebody and then one, you know, then one run and all the sudden, you know, a team that you're much better than are outplayed, it's one-one, and we go home, right? So, so it's a, I don't know, playing not to lose, but playing super defensive. That was, that was the tech. You just said it,

Doug, that's the key. The problem that a lot of us are having is our team just is one of those, one of those teams that has been playing not to lose. And what do you get when you play not to lose, you get a tie. We're no longer in that mindset. We should. shouldn't be. We're playing against the Netherlands who only managed to get two shots off against Ecuador. This is not a team that is in great form. I'm looking at their lineup, and yeah, they've got a couple of guys that play for Barcelona, but most of these guys play in the first division in Belgium and France. They're scattered around Europe, and there's no reason to be afraid of this team. Our midfield with Musa McKinney and Adams is running people off the park. If those

three guys stay healthy. We could have a game where this is where we have to go for it. And we'll have to go for it, but we can go for it. And we can understand that we're going to be the better team. Right now, the United States of America is better than the Netherlands. Do not think that we're not. I know they've got a great history, but on paper and on the field, through their performances, the U.S. national team should beat the Netherlands. Everybody say that together. We are not the underdog. We need to beat the. these guys because we're better. Wow.

I mean, so, so, what would a, what would a victory over the Netherlands mean in your mind? Well, I mean,

we haven't been here since 2002, really, where we beat the one team that we knew we could beat in Mexico. And I hate to remind everybody, we kind of backed into

that World Cup by losing to Poland and the other results went our way. So that's how we got in the first place. We ran into Germany. We kind of got cheated

with the, the penalty kick that wasn't the handball off the line. We had VAR today, we would have gone possibly to a semifinals, and we would have backed their way in. This is different, because we're going to wait to see what happens today. Australia is now a potential option. And the way it's working out, you've got to start doing your bracket now, Doug. I'm going to send you what you could just plot it all out.

But because Saudi Arabia beat Argentina, there is a really good chance that we could avoid having to play against Argentina in a quarter-final in the event that we went. We could get the likes of Poland or Australia. We're not, we don't, you know, France has just bounced over to the other side of the bracket because they won the group. So this is a really interesting World Cup. We've never had this kind of pathway to the Cup before.

And this is the kind of team. I'm going to, I'm going to keep banging this drum. This team is very good. They're very, very good. And the fact that they are young is a huge advantage. You look at the other teams like Croatia, they're going to slow down as this tournament goes. Their guys are all in their 30s.

Our guys are ready to go, man. This is a really cool World Cup. Yeah, the more we play, the more our young legs help us. Dest is going to play against his birth country, right? Right. I mean, that's got to be weird. I guess when will we get to the point, or will we get to the point where we don't have to,

have to do the naturalized. We don't have to do the you got a connection. And I, and look, this is me fully understanding. Like, look, I played in Israel. I had dual citizenship, right? I understand that you go where you have an opportunity to play and that maybe he couldn't play for the Netherlands. So he gets a much better opportunity with the U.S. men's national team. But are we, is it anywhere in the distance that they're actually American-born players playing for the U.S. men's national team? Absolutely. I think one of the great things about this country, how much we've grown with the growth of our league, with the potential to be exposed to high-level soccer

much earlier in your life. When you're six, seven, eight, nine years old, it's just all wrecked and it's all for fun, blah, blah, blah. That's not the way it works in Europe. So we're finally at a stage where, you know, I mean, I got a 13-year-old boy, right? And I'm getting phone calls from pro scouts saying, hey, we saw your kid play. It's different now. It's very different.

So, and you look at some of the comments coming out of guys that play in the NFL, guys that play Major League Baseball, that, you know, I got like a Tuvee or a guy that like Hill that plays for Miami. What if that guy would end up being a soccer player? It was always this, the real money's in the other sports. The real money is finally in soccer. So, you know, it might change a lot of these young athletes pathway to sport. But look, I don't want to discourage our military or living abroad to stop making babies because guess what? You've done a pretty good job thus far. We'll take those guys as well because we want to have the best team possible.

And we certainly don't want to ever exclude our Americans who are abroad. We're faring for our right and say that they're not important because they certainly are. And they have been in the past. They will be again. But I get your point. I get your point. But America is finally going to – I think – I hate to say this because one of our colleagues said this a lot to ever go. And I hated it.

He said soccer is the sport of the future. and it always will be. And it's always stung with me because it's like, damn, you're right. It's all, I mean,

listen, like, we're about the same age. Like, it always has been. By the way, like, I've gotten coach Troy Palomalu's son.

He was on that same path of playing internationally and gave up soccer at like 13. And the guy's a phenomenal, phenomenal kid and athlete. Like it, because I, you know, I'm,

I'm with you, like Troy Palomalu's son and his, uh, his, his wife is an unbelievable athletic family as well. Like, that kid's a freak. And he's going to, I guess, unfortunately, end up playing football and basketball. So that's kind of the next step.

You mentioned the growth of the money in soccer domestically. Messies coming over. Is this one last money grab? Or does, where is he in the lifespan of his career? Well, I mean, I think Rinaldo's in that same boat as well. And I think both of those guys will come over and have their own version of Al-Classico at some point next year in the United States participating for two MLS teams. Let's just put it that way. Yeah, I think he is.

This is his last hurrah. He is as good as he was. He's not the same player, man. Neither is Ronaldo. Both of them have lost a step. Is it a money grab for them or is it a money grab for us? This is a real question. They will sell a lot of shirts.

They will bring a lot of attention to the. those stadiums. And the only, I guess, silver lining in this is when Messi decides to come here. And he plays within our league, just like Beckham, because Beckham was the same kind of story. What ends up happening is the audiences get introduced to a lot of young American talent that they would not have known otherwise. And the cool part was you go to see Beckham, for example,

and you walk away from that game, and you're in it. Who was number 13? That kid was good. But that's really the purpose behind bringing the big names over here, get butts in the seats, but to also give those young American players the experience necessary to help us in a World Cup. And we're kind of seeing that right now. Tyler Adams, I don't know if you saw his interview in the press conference. I don't know what I'm more proud of. His press conferences or his play, but what a class guy.

What a great representation of our country. But this is a kid that came out of New York. It was at the New York Red Bulls Academy. You know, same story, drove two hours every day just to practice and now look at him. What an unbelievable celebration of a developmental system that's happening right now in America because that gets the real deal. Yeah, and people, you should, you want a search on social media, the press conference, the way in which he handled some tough questions, which I don't even,

like that's not really what he was there to talk about was just outstanding. All right, let me, let me fast forward to the game on Saturday. one thing that we can watch for, right? Because, again, a lot of us play soccer growing up, and one thing we can watch for, which to you says we're playing the right style, we have the right opportunity. One thing to watch for when the layman is watching the World Cup and the round of 16.

Yeah, if we back up to our own midfield stripe and we let them have the ball, then we're not playing the way we should. If you see the 6-foot-8 goalkeeper, Norbert, if he's trying to pass the ball to the guy next to him, which will probably be a guy named Delict or Van Dyke, who we know from Liverpool, and our guys are already standing with her toes inside the 18-yard box. That's called being on the front foot. That's going, okay, you want to play, break us down.

If that's what we see, whether we're wearing blue or white, I don't know yet, but if we're forcing the issue and we're forcing them to cough up the ball, with forcing them to play soccer. And if they start bombing the ball long and just saying, we can't beat these guys, that's when we're in the game. That's when we've had,

we were taking the right attitude to a very, I've got to be honest, a very underwhelming Dutch side. These guys are not as good as they used to be. And again, I just want America to believe in this team because we are better than the opposition come Saturday.

And I just want it to prove it. I don't want it to sit back and be respectful. Let's be American. Let's go after it. That last line in our anthem, man, home of the brave. Let's go show it. This is a time to do it. Eric, I'm glad you're well.

Happy holidays, T. We'll talk to you soon. Thanks so much for joining us. Hey, thanks for having me on, buddy. All right, that's Eric. We're a member of the U.S. Soccer Hall of Fame course played in three World Cups saying we're, we shouldn't actually be underdogs. Okay, now I'm like, can we play now, please?

Can we play now? And I love the idea of the young legs. Everybody looks at, everybody looks at youth and says, well, they're young. The other part about Young is not only Young Legs, but Chelsea, you don't know any better. Like, you don't know you're not supposed to win these games, right? As long as you don't carry too much reverence towards the opponent. Let's get to Ryan Music with the news. No, no, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. All right, Doug, good morning to you. Let's talk some NFL here. The 6 and 5 Patriots are preparing for a nice divisional matchup against the bills tomorrow night, as they're hoping to bounce back from that loss to the Vikings on Thanksgiving. All season long, there have been some big questions about Bill Belichick and the coaching staff he's built. Most of those have centered on the offense with Matt Patricia and Joe Judge.

But there have also been some questions about having his sons on the staff. So Charlie Weiss won three Super Bowls during his time in New England. He was on WEEI in Boston. he was asked about this dynamic of having Belichick's kids on the staff, maybe them facing some criticism, and if he'd ever be willing to do the difficult discussion of actually firing his kids or holding them accountable at some point. He would fire his sons.

He would. He would fire them too. If he felt that somebody wasn't, you know, Dill was best for the team, it wouldn't make a difference who it was. Would he hold the coaches accountable? You bet you. But those guys named Belichick, they're in that accountability group, too, just so you know.

So as we said, big matchup coming up against the bills. As it currently stands, the 6 and 5 Patriots are just outside of the playoffs, but still very much in the picture, Doug. What have you been making of the Patriots this season and specifically a lot of the discussions surrounding the coaching staff of Bill Belichick? I love it because here's the thing. We violate the premise. or we violate a sentence which starts, like, for the last 25 years in the NFL.

Okay, if you cut out just this season and these decisions, have the New England Patriots been a marvelously coached football team? Yes. Okay. Is any money making the argument that Bill Belichick is a bad football coach or a bad organizer of a coaching staff previous to this? Previous to this? No.

Okay, so I understand that we all look at it like when we coach our kid or we play on a team where the dad is a coach. I get it. Okay. Where you're like, oh, it's daddy ball. That is daddy ball. But I'm going to tell you something which is a little secret here. It's harder to be a coach's son than it is anybody else. Because coaches, and my dad was a coach.

I coach my kid now. I talked to other coaches about this all the time. I just had an hour talk. I was in Oklahoma last week, and Mike Gundy and I talked about coaching his own kid. His son's a, and then he has another son, Gage, who's playing for Stillwater.

I think they play in the championship this weekend. Anyway, Gunner and Gage, right? So it's harder to be a coach's son. Like, here's the thing. We all think like, oh, it's nepotism, nepotism. Like, dude, do you know, if you're a coach and your son's on the staff, you're harder on that guy,

then you are everybody else because you don't want to think you're doing anybody favors. It's the actual opposite of what you think. At the end, not everybody does that, but most of the people who do the daddy ball thing, they're just dads. They're not actual coaches. Sam Alford is Steve Alford's dad. This is the best line I've ever heard. He coached him in high school.

And Newcastle High School, they play a Chrysler arena, which is like a 9,000 seat, I think, high school arena in Indiana. And he said, his freshman year, I got booed when I put him in. His senior year, I got booed when I took him out, right? It's hard to be a coach's kid. So I agree with Charlie Weiss. By the way, his son, probably beginning to be a head coach very, very soon. And I understand not everybody who grows up in dad's business is capable.

Okay. Mike Nolan wasn't a great head coach. His dad was head coach. But, I mean, Kyle Shanahan is not only an outstanding head coach, but the coaching tree of people who coached under him who he taught are outstanding as well. So I just think like this is a, we're so overreactive to daddy ball that we may have experienced in youth sports. We don't understand in a professional setting. Coaches are harder on their kids than they are on everybody else because they go above and beyond.

I did this last night with my son and I actually apologized to him. Like, dude, I was over the top. My bad. But it's because you want to make sure that everybody knows that it's harder for him than it's for everybody else. Fair enough. Fair enough. I like that holding Hayes accountable, Doug. You know, sometimes people think you're a little soft, but I think you're keeping him in line. I'm a big body language. I'm a body language, guys. Body language was not great. It's good. It's important. It's important.

But I was too much. Too much. Hey, look, you hold him accountable. You hold yourself accountable. That's good. All right. Some news out of college football, Doug. A friend of the herd, usually a regular Monday guest. A friend of yours as well. Trent Delfer. making the jump. He's reportedly set to become the next head coach of UAB. Dilfer, the Super Bowl champion quarterback for the Ravens in 2000, has been the head coach at Lipscomb Academy in Nashville, turning around the program, which is set for the state championship game tomorrow. So big congrats to Trent. That's pretty cool, right? Win a state championship. Trent's awesome. And I would, I mean, look,

there was a time in which Fresno State should have hired him. I understand that, I mean, here we go again. never coached at college at any level. Like, okay. And he, now he does run that program at, at Lipscomb like it's a college program. He does have quality assistance. He has a big time strength coach, whatever.

Like, that's a real deal. But, you know, this is one of those deals where studying on the, you know, studying while you're playing and being a consummate professional and understanding it, I love the hire. I love the hire for UAB. It gives them a chance to get a guy at a level

that you probably wouldn't get otherwise. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. I mean, just the idea like doing the same thing over and over and over and over again, you know, and expecting a different result, what that's a definition of insanity, right?

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We talked a little with Eric Winaldah about it, but I'm going to make you think, about your own high school or your kids high school and what it would actually take for us to be great at soccer. That's it. Dana Jeremiah will join us next hour as well. I want to ask him about a bunch of different quarterback situations from Lamar to Kyler. Obviously, we had the game that's going to be flexed.

What, a week from Sunday with Tua and all, the sound we're hearing from Mike McDaniels and Tua, as well as Justin Herbert. We got a lot to get into with Daniel Jeremiah. That's upcoming 15 after next hour here in the herd. Okay, so if you remember back on Monday night at the end of the game, which is end of regulation, on third down, right? On third down, the Colts had all three of their timeouts and Matt Ryan scrambled. And he gave himself up kind of trying to. dive for the sticks, but he came up like a yard short, right? Like a yard short.

And it's one of those things where, like, you know, again, hindsight, Matt Ryan should have, should have, you know, just got to get the first down, dude. Got to get the first down. The Steelers, they kind of held up because obviously they thought he might slide. I don't want to hit him. But he likely could have gotten the sticks. Excuse me, he slid on second down. Then they didn't get it on third.

then on fourth down, on fourth down, the ball gets knocked down and they lose the game. But it was Jeff Saturday not calling time out. Right. So after the game, Jeff Saturday said like time wasn't of the essence there. You know, we thought we were going tempo. Matt Ryan backed it up. It felt like they were on the same page. Saturday had a press conference yesterday.

This is what he said about Monday night. Obviously, still disappointed about last night. execution and turn the ball over, things that we got to do better in both areas really to win. But looking back, obviously there's always things everybody wants to do at plays they went back. I wish I had that third down back in all honesty. I wish I had to use the timeout, just looking at it on film, looked at it last night again, looked at it this morning again. And from a time perspective, I felt good, but you could tell we were in disarray.

I just didn't have a great feel. looking back, it's a learning experience. That one's the one that's going to stick with me. Okay. So he's saying if he could do it again, he would do it differently. Now, it should be pointed out that he didn't say I would do it differently

because of the time. And yesterday, I agree with them. Look, if you're in tempo and that way, they can't sub. You know what defense they're going to play. You know what their personnel is. And for Matt Ryan has a super processor. He should know exactly where I can

go and how I can get that first down. And Jeff Sarry said, well, you know, on second thought, we were kind of in disarray. Probably should have called a time out. What he didn't say there was like, it does give the defense a chance to get better organized, but it gives us a better chance to get better organized. All right. Now, that's that's one. Okay, so Todd Bowles is in his second stint as head coach.

Todd Bowles obviously has an outstanding track record as defensive coordinator going back to the Arizona Cardinals under Bruce Ariens. and, of course, when they won the Super Bowl with Tampa Buccaneers. W widely respected guy. And the Jets, we all give him a pass to the Jets because Mike McCagnan was a disaster as a GM. And the personnel wasn't good enough. But if you watch Sunday, he didn't trust Tom Brady to throw the ball on third down with timeouts on the last possession of regulation because he thought Tom Brady might throw an intercept.

He was asked similarly. All right, day removed. Would you change your mind? If we had to throw a pick and the ball would have to win the field goal, we felt better going into overtime, so I didn't do it. He threw it on second down. He saw something. He got it in there.

Then we called timeout. It was a risky throw, but he got it in there. And all the time's been making those throws. But we felt good going in the overtime, the way the defense was playing, and we thought we had it right there. It's the difference in, hey, Jeff Saturday, hey, I looked at it again. I learned from it, and here's why I would have done differently.

Whereas Bowles, not wouldn't have done it differently. Could have thrown a pick. And honestly, you're absolutely right. Could have thrown a pick. But isn't that Thomas Edward Patrick Brady? Doesn't it feel like a foregone conclusion that he's not going to throw a pick? Like he's done this. And by the way, no one is ever going to fault you if you go, I believe in Tom Brady.

When you say I don't believe in Tom Brady, it feels like that's when you got an issue. So the idea is it's not necessarily the background of somebody you hire their level of experience. It's, are we all willing to learn get better? That's really what it is. And be accountable for it, right? Because players see that, feel that. If the coach sits and goes, no, I was right. You were wrong every time.

It doesn't sit that well. All right. Coming up next. I'll give you my theory on what's going to change to make us a, dominant soccer country. That's next. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is the hurt. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an

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