The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Hour 1 - Chapel Bill has arrived

Episode Date: December 12, 2024

Colin reacts to Bill Belichick's decision to make the move to college football and become the head coach of North Carolina He explains why the NFL was no long an option for Belichick despite being the most successful head coach in league history   Guest: Jordan SchultzSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's official. So Bill Belichick's the coach of Carolina. We both love college football. So it's another talking point. So I'm, you know, I'm going to talk more college football, and I love that. Fascinating this morning, though. Seth Wickersham is a first ballot Hall of Fame writer and reporter for ESPN. He has got a behind-the-scenes story over the last year on Belichick.

Go read it. Seth Wickersham, tremendous. And he talks about, you know, Belichick would meet with Matt Patricia. He would meet with Mike Lombardi, who he just hired at Carolina. I know Mike a little bit, and they would go on Zoom calls and talk about the NFL and what's coming open and that, you know, Belichick got disgusted by the NFL and that nobody was really interested. Now, he did think the Bears was the best job opening this year, I agree, I think, but he didn't think they'd hire him. The New York Giants job he would take, but he thinks Brian Daible's a good coach, so do I, and will retain the job.

He would never do the Jets. Jacksonville wasn't happening. So here we go. The story is fascinating. And my takeaway on reading this is kind of the same with a lot more illumination, is that, you know what, when you keep doors shut on people for 20 years, don't be surprised that when the doors open, there's not a lot of people there with open arms for you.

Tom Brady and Belichick, 20 years, never went to dinner. Tom Brady's documentary, his then-wife, Giselle, pleading, would you please show Tom respect? Relationships more than ever matter in the NFL. It's not just IQ, it's IQ and EQ. And I think Belichick clearly, preferably, would not want the ACC's fourth best football job. But that's all that was out there. The NFL is much more collaborative today.

It's much more Sean McVeigh than do your job. It's us, not me. Doors were closed. The Athletic. Also, excellent reporting this morning on why Belichick abandoned hope of landing NFL jobs. One executive said he burned a lot of bridges. Another said people would be concerned about the culture he would create in the building. Again, Belichick leaned in to his terse nature, his rigidity, his cutthroat personality.

and you're not going to change the perception because you take a TV job for a year, smile more, occasionally laugh, and make us all believe it's all rainbows and sunshine. People know what Bill is. We know what Bill is. Bill knows what Bill is. And Carolina's like,

we'll roll the dice on it. And again, I love college football. I hope it works. I'm not rooting for it not to work. But again, if you act a certain way for a long time, you're going to meet a lot of the people you burned on the way down,

and there's no job openings. People are not interested. And let's be honest, the NFL doesn't need anybody. Drew Breeze retired, Brady retired, Peyton Manning retired. You know what happened to the ratings? They went up. This is not a league to toy with. They don't need TV networks.

Now they've got streamers to the longstanding networks. Are they necessary? Thank God they've all got 10, 11, your deal starting this year. But the league doesn't need anybody. This is not the NBA where your ratings hinge on an MJ or a shack. This is not golf where your economy, your ecosystem, largely hinges on like the Masters or Tiger Woods.

That's not what the NFL is. And Bill was perpetually difficult, perpetually dismissive of opinions that didn't align with his. And guess what? He's going to have a place in Canton. it's a first ballot decision. He is widely respected as the greatest defensive coach of all time, but the Patriots are three and two right now.

And at this time last year, they were three in ten with Belichick. Three in ten now, three in ten now, three in ten last year with Belichick. He'll go to Canton, and he deserves it. But it's a different league. It's a league that waits for nobody. It's a league that doesn't need anybody. Mahomes in nine years retires, they'll be another crop of superstar quarterbacks. They can certainly do without a great coach at 72.

There were no doors open. It's not all the NFL's fault. Bill closed a lot of those doors. Again, the Seth Wickersham article must read a lot of great intel. Now, here is something I actually think, and this is fascinating, So Mike Lombardi, who is now a media person, has been hired by Belichick to be his GM. Now, I've had multiple conversations with athletic directors in the last nine to 12 months. This is the future of college football, general managers.

In fact, I met with Jen Cohen at USC. We had a long lunch over this. This is the future of the sport. And so Belichick sees that and is hiring Mike Lombardi an ally, a conference. for years to be his GM. And it's a, I mean, it's full NFL. They're not even masquerading that it's college. They're not even trying to fool anybody.

This is the NFL. And here is Lombardi yesterday talking about his job now with Belichick in Chapel Hill. We're going to build a pro-personnel department. And that pro-personnel department really will be the transfer portal. So that will be what we build there to monitor all the college teams, whether it's in the ACC, the Big Ten, the Southeast, conference or in any conference, right, the new PAC 12. So you have to monitor all the players just like you would in pro football.

And then obviously you'll have a director of college scouting, but that guy will be the director of high school scouting and monitor all the high schools. Okay. So that is the future. Now, how well will Belichick do? Well, it should be noted, Indiana, a basketball school, Arizona State and a baseball school, at least it was for years, and SMU just made the playoff. So Belichick can compete.

And he also has a personnel guy. So I don't think Belichick is the perfect personality fit. But I think like coaching and personnel, he'll be fine. Now, Lombardy, who I know a little and Belichick, are terse. They're outspoken. They can be curt. They're very direct. That will rub a lot of people on a college campus.

the wrong way. They will have no interest going to gala with the other coaches in the athletic department. They are pros. They're going to come in with a certain arrogance and belief, and they don't care about your volleyball program or your swim program. They don't care. And there's a lot of high maintenance and needy coaching and overmatched administrators at the college level. So I don't think it's going to be a coaching issue with Bill. He'll be great. I don't think it's going to be a personnel issue.

you, Mike Lombardi will do fine. But dealing with donors in this ever-fluid collective NIL, here's the thing. Bill loves structure. College football doesn't have any. It used to have some. Now it's got very little. So what Bill's doing, if you watch this move with Lombardy, he's bringing in structure. We're going to run a pro football operation.

And again, it's going to rub a lot of people the wrong way. the personality with Lombardi and Belichick, that's going to be interesting. The football and the players, the collective by North Carolina reportedly is going from 4 million, which is laughable, to 18 to 20 million. So they'll get players. But I'm rooting for it. I love the sport. It's another talking point.

But there will be clashes. I think it will start. It'll be fun. it's the headlines, it's powder blue, it's going to look nice, and there will be feathers ruffled on that campus, and I can't wait. And listen, I have a graphic, here's North Carolina's schedule next year, and again, they've got players. Mac Brown could recruit.

I mean, their road games are Cal and Wake Forest and Charlotte and Syracuse. we're not talking the AFC West or the NFC North. Their home games, Stanford, Duke, Virginia, like an academic all-star roster. Richmond, Clemson, so there's no reason why Bill Belichick could not peel off a 10-1. I would not be surprised by that at all

if they can get quarterback just solid. I don't worry at all about the coaching or the personnel. They're ramping up the club. That's not it. and I think for a year you'll look at it and go, oh, it is humming. But we got pictures here, Bill and Chapel Hill. Listen, he's got a new girlfriend. It's younger.

He's exciting, excited. It's a college campus. You know, maybe he is going to be turning a new leaf. It's gregarious and joyful, Bill. But the football coaching's fine. The personality fit with Lombardi is going to be really interesting. It's like Charlie Weiss at Notre Dame. Charlie Weiss, the schemes were fine.

He wore everybody out. You know, Charlie wore people out. The schemes were smart. That wasn't the issue. J. Mack, I love doing this job. It's so much fun. All I thought about last night is Nick Wright said it to me yesterday.

Can you imagine Bill Belichick in the Pop-Tart Bowl? It will look different. He's not going to the Pop-Phill right there. Come on. They could go 10 or 11 wins. Why not? By the way, you mentioned it's going to be rocky. There's going to be problems.

You know who else had some problems and some rocky stuff happened? Dionne Sanders. He had, I'm looking here, three years of coaching at Jackson State. That's it. He goes to Colorado. They start hot, finish four and eight. Oh, Dionne, he can't hang. They're going to get blasted.

Nine and three this year, Colin. Now, so let's be fair. If Carolina is bumpy to start, and I don't think they will be. The schedule is easy. The conference is bad. Let's see what happens with the portal. They've got to get a quarterback. But again, Bill will be able to win without great talent.

He spent a lot of his dynasty in New England having the second, third best roster in the AFC. Bill's won with less talent. So again, it's not a terrible fit from there. He will not have as much talent if he goes into a playoff as Texas, Oregon, Georgia. He's not going to have that. And I think we all have to be fair. I have to be fair. I'm rooting for it, not against it.

I don't think it's a great fit. I think this is a nobody's interested in the NFL. I think is ideal. I think Bill would rather be coaching the Chicago Bears next year and the New York Giants next year. What evidence is there of that? Seth Wickersham's article is that, well, Seth Wickersham, I trust. I know. He is great.

He is great. So his articles basically, Bill wanted NFL jobs, but they weren't interested in him. And he got disgusted by the league. And my take is the league is fine. You don't think he's disgusted like Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles, who haven't done Jack Squat, they're the one saying, I don't know about Belichick. I would be disgusted too, wouldn't you?

I mean, that's laughable. The Atlanta Falcons were like, I don't know about this Belichick guy. The Atlanta Falcons, who would never want anything. Those guys in the front office, look at their record. They haven't done anything. And Belichick is the most accomplished coach in NFL history. You're not contextualizing it.

He wants total control, and his personnel decisions are awful. They're not amazing at the end. Remember, Bobby Knight as he age wouldn't recruit. So if you hire Bobby Knight, oh, he's the most accomplished coach. When he leaves, you have no players. They have no players in New England. So when you hire Lane Kiffin, you may not love his personality. But if he leaves, you are left with a stack roster.

If Sark doesn't work at Texas, you're left with a stacked roster. When Bobby Knight left, schooled down in Texas, they have no players as he wanted. to give the job to his son because he refused to do things that you have to do. It's a young man's game. So when you hire these legends, be very careful. College Athletic is a young man's game. I always said this. If you're going to roll the dice on a coach, get a young, great recruiter.

Oklahoma did this years ago. They hired a guy, I think it was John Blake. And John didn't work as a coach, but he was a tremendous recruiter. Year two, Bob Stoops wins in Addie with tons of NFL guys. You hire older coaches who don't. aren't going to play any games. If it doesn't work, it's a three-year rebuild to get players because they're not going to outbid Georgia, Florida State,

SEC schools for players. Well, I would largely agree with that. But this whole, like, doesn't recruit thing, the game has changed. It's no less about recruiting. I had a guy on my podcast, former quarterback at Arizona State, who said, listen, there's offensive linemen out there who are like, oh, this team wants me, this team wants me. I don't even know where these schools are on a map,

but they were offering $500,000, I'm going there. Like, that's where we are. It's less about recruiting, more about show me the money, show me the NILM. Remember, most schools have, like, the big schools have $16 to $18 million. The quarterback increasingly is taking four to five, so you don't just have the ability to buy a roster. You have to recruit at least 60 to 70% of your roster has to be high schoolers. The other thing is, Brian Kelly, who is a better college coach today than

Bill Belichick has proven to be. He's a better college coach. He's finding out when you go buy a roster, your chemistry is brutal. You got to buy the right guys. Well, again, there is no perfect guy for the perfect program. Lincoln Riley's finding out. And Brian Kelly, successful college coaches. This is what they do. You can't just buy a roster. You can't. You have to have foundational high school connections. How's this better shot at the playoff next year? Lincoln Riley or Bill Belichick. Well, Belichick is in a much easier conference. I mean, the ACC is Clemson and nonsense. Next time I'm in Vegas, I'll see what the odds are on Belichick

making the playoffs. I mean, look at Carolina's schedule. I don't even know Carolina's roster now, and I can tell you that's 10 wins right there. Who are they scared of on the roster? At Syracuse and home against Clemson are tough games. Okay. That's it. ACC football's back, baby. I'll watch it. You made a RACOM sports reference yesterday.

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You're now entering the No Bull Zone, sponsored by credible great rates, none of the bulb. As Belichick was signing that deal with Carolina, it made me actually think of Andy Reid, who has aged very, very well. And I don't think he's going to end his career with a job in the age. ACC. Andy Reed, as you recall, got fired in Philadelphia and had a job four days later in Kansas City, and there were multiple NFL suitors. Andy Reid's coaching tree is much superior to Belichick's. He's been to a Super Bowl in both conferences. He's won with multiple quarterbacks and styles. The league's been trending in his direction finally for years. And here's what's amazing how undervalued Andy Reid is.

Andy Reed only needs six more playoff wins. That's it to surpass Belichick. I bet you didn't know that. That's how good he is. Belichick had a 20-year run. How many years has Andy had Mahomes? Five?

Andy, by the way, five and one in the regular season as a Chief's coach against Belichick. But if Mahomes and Andy Reid stay together just two to three more seasons, he will surpass Belichick in all-time wins. And all-time playoff wins, I would imagine.

And so I think Belichick looks at that. And I'm not sure he thinks he's going to have some Don Schuller record for long anyway. And I've said this is that I think one of the reasons I call Bill Parcells, one of the greatest coaches of all time, Bill won with multiple quarterbacks, Bill won immediately with multiple owners overnight. Like he walked into dumpster fires and the next year they were good. Urban Myers done this in college. Parcells does this in the NFL.

And this is not a shot at Belichick, but Belichick, five years in Cleveland, four losing seasons. The year in New England pre-Bradie, losing season. The two years after Brady left, losing seasons. Belichick never won without Parcells or Brady. Andy wins with everybody. And I mean, so I mean, Andy Reid was getting to conference championships in the NFC when other teams were stacked and he was doing it with B&B plus quarterbacks.

So Andy Reid's career is not beholden to one coach or one player. And I've said this before. If the NFL would have been forthright and honest about CTE concerns 20 years ago and written a check and made the league safe, for 20 years ago to the level it's safe now, then Andy Reid would be Belichick. Belichick was very fortunate that he got a great generational quarterback pretty early in his career and Andy had to wait 20 years. That is not to say that Belichick isn't right now viewed the greatest all-time coach. He deserves all the roses for that. But it is interesting when he

got this job, I thought it's remarkable how few years Andy Reid needs to keep. keep winning to surpass him. That's how great he's been. He just got his generational quarterback. So Nick Wright earlier this week on Belichick leaving the NFL for college and Andy Reid potentially passing him on that wins list. Even if you go get that record, are you just holding it for a year for Andy Reed? And I know people are like, oh, Nick, you're a chief's guy.

hear the numbers. He's going to end this season right around 300 if he's at 296 right now. He'll be 47 away from Shula himself. That means three great years or four mediocre years. So how important

is that all-time coaching record if you actually only hold it for 12 months before Andy Reid blows past you? I think there's real legitimacy. I think Seth Wickersham pointed that in the article. but I think Nick makes a great point is if Andy's health holds up,

cross your fingers there, Andy's going to end up the all-time winning his coach, and he's won with a multitude of C, B, and A-plus quarterbacks in both conferences, and it's why it's so easy for me to root for Kansas City as they dominate the league. I never rooted against New England. I thought they were smarter than everybody.

I feel the same way about Kansas City now. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. All right, so we've been tracking this Eagles drama all the week. Jalen Hertz first A.J. Brown, courtesy of Brandon Graham's comments on our radio show at in Philly. Well, Hertz and Brown both addressed the situation yesterday.

They claim everything's good. Me and Jaylon are good. So it's BG, guys. Everybody loves BG. They perceive what I said about passing and felt like it was in. attack on Jalen. And I think that's what he did. You know, me and Jalen, relationship was personal. He knows I had a lot

of love for him, just like I got a lot of love for all these guys. And ultimately, you know, he's a guy that he's a guy that's a competitor. You know, he wants to win. He downshort wants the ball. And he wants to make an impact in the game. And I respect

that, you know, and that's just like all of us. Yeah. It used to be that if you won, that would pretty much be the end of it, but, you know, I get it. Receivers want theirs. I understand you're out on the perimeter. You sometimes feel disconnected from the unit, first out of the huddle, so I get it, but I will say the Eagle staff off a buy told you what they believe the offense is. About 20 pass attempts, heavy doses of Saquan Barkley running, and a handful, half dozen shots down the field to AJ Brown. That's what the staff told you in the by week, because in the by week,

you self-scout. So in five weeks in the NFL, what do teams do? Well, they get healthy. No, they don't. The coaches self-scout. How would we beat us? And what the Eagles found is, when we ask Jalen to throw 32 times, we make mistakes, often giving teams our opponents, easier, better field position. So Philadelphia self-scouted and said, when we throw 18 to 20 times, nobody is beating us because we eliminate the mistakes. I know there's going to sound defensive of Hertz, but he is on his third offensive coordinator, I believe, in three years, right? Stike in the disaster last year and now Kellynne Moore. So, yeah, there were some hiccups early.

He had some bad turnovers. That Saints game, I remember betting the Eagles in that one, and Hertz was abysmal. But Mark San just showed us yesterday. A.J. Brown's open, like by a lot, and he doesn't get the ball to it. And the number say, when you get the ball to A.J. Brown, they win. They win. If he's out of the lineup, they ain't winning. So this has to be fixed. I don't know. There's still a lot of acrimony.

Remember I lived outside of Philadelphia. I still talked to a bunch of buddies. They're not universally on board with Jalen Hertz. It's weird. They don't think he's awesome. Well, and I'm just like... He's not Matt Stafford from the pocket. He's not.

No, no, nobody's putting in that class. But his legs make him, I believe, one of the top five, six quarterbacks in the league. I'd go closer to eight, nine, but yeah, I think he's a very dangerous player. One thing to watch this week. So he wins with his legs a lot. Well, you know whose faces Lamar Jackson twice a year is a picture. Pittsburgh Steelers. They're not going to be surprised by any Jalen Hurts stuff. So this is a big game, I think, for Hertz.

Yeah, I think we'll talk about that more, a little more tomorrow. Next up, Colin, is the lucky Kansas City Chiefs. Luckyest team in the NFL. You love when I say that. But how about this? Casey is set to play three games over the next 11 days. And Patrick Mahomes, he's not thrilled about that. It's not like a good feeling.

I mean, not that. I'm excited to play on Christmas. to hopefully get back from what we did last year. But you never want to play this many amount of games in this short of time. It's just not great for your body. But at the end of the day, it's your job, your profession. You have to come to work and do it. Yeah, this, before the season started, I think we both discussed this.

This is kind of a ridiculous schedule for Kansas City based on the fact they have Mahomes. And this is the downside to be in the Cowboys or the Chiefs or the Patriots in their dynasty. And I don't like when the league does this, is that Aaron Rogers' first five or six games this year with the Jets. It's Sunday. It's Monday. It's Thursday. I don't love you get punished in the NFL for being scintillating. So this is, I don't think this is fair.

I don't like it. I think players get more injured when they're fatigued. And this is a really, really rough slate for Kansas City. Well, let's listen, Christmas Day, obviously last year the success of the NFL on Christmas was huge. So they wanted to crowbar another game. The problem is Christmas is on a Wednesday. You're making guys play on a Wednesday, Colin? So this week they play Sunday.

Then it's Saturday against the Texans. Then it's Christmas Day Wednesday against the Steelers. Remember that stat? I think we unearthed it in the preseason. The Chiefs are the team in the league that I believe plays on every day of the week. Except Tuesday or something? It was Tuesday. That's not right.

Come on. They're kind of shaft. For people, for years and years when Eli Manning was playing for the Giants, they were always complaining. We're on Sunday night all the time. It ruins. You know, coaches love structure and consistency. And by the way, players love that.

Like Stafford has a way of doing business. So, you know, I got nothing against Netflix. They'll do a great job. And the Amazon schedule, tonight again, great. I think the more the merrier, I think it benefits all of us. The rising tide for all the networks. But it is tough on the dominant, more scintillating teams that are forced to play uneven schedules. So I'm looking at the injure report, and this is worth monitoring. This

DJ Humphreys, remember they picked him up? He was going to be a savior at left tackle. He got hurt. I think it was fourth quarter, and he's not practicing yet this week. We'll see today, but that's not great against Miles Garrett of the Browns, followed by the Texans have a pretty good pass rush with the young kid at Alabama, and then the Steelers have what? So if the chiefs aren't healthy, I'm not saying three-game losing streak, what are they going in these three games, Colin. You know what I think? If you go two and one and are healthy, you take it today. Just, you're going to keep the number one seed. I think you're really thinking about health. Like Noah Gray, we're going to lean on you in that second game. Travis, the first and third game in 11 days.

The second game, Noah, you're going to get 70% of the snaps. I think that's what you have to do. Okay. I smell of one and two. We'll see. Final story, Colin. So the NBA last night had an NBA Cup game between the Warriors and Rockets. And if you're watching here on FS1, there's a scramble for the ball. And with seconds left in the game, they call a loose ball foul on Jonathan Coming. That's insane. And Steve Kerr lost his mind. Steve Kerr went ballistic. Here he is after the game.

You've established you're just not going to call anything throughout the game. It's a physical game. We're going to call it a loose ball foul on a jump ball situation with guys diving on the floor with a game on the line. this is a billion dollar industry you've got people's jobs on the line I'm pissed off I wanted to go to Las Vegas we wanted to win this cup we aren't going because

of a loose ball foul 80 feet from the basket with the game on the line I've never seen anything like it in my life and that was ridiculous thank you for the record I'm not a fan of complaining about officiating that was a horrendous call you do not call that ever A loose, that's a jump ball.

You don't call that in that moment. That's just not a legitimate. And the NBA has got a lot of young refs, and they've had a rough couple of years. I was just talking to a friend of mine, Ryan Rusillo, the other day about this. He's been on the forefront of those discussions. That's just a bad call. That's a jump ball. If you know what it's like calling, it would be going, and let's say it's not analogous perfectly,

but a big divisional rival NFL game tonight. Rams play the 49ers. And it's a, you know, it's 7, it's 27, 27. And it's a jump ball and a lot of contact in the end zone. Both receiver and corner. Throwing a flag on the last play and giving team a walk-off field goal. If there's all sorts of contact, you, unless it's an egregious push by the receiver or the corner, you step away, they're both handsy, and you go to OT.

That's a decision by a ref. decides an outcome. I mean, you play enough hoops. Now, you would never get on the ball ground for a loose ball. We lost a championship game like four weeks ago on a loose ball with 10 seconds left. The guy made the free throws. We lost. But the Rockets are, they're interesting.

And you see the score of this game, Colin? It ended up 9190. Okay? For all those, talk about the NBA and three-pointers and offense and no defense, this NBA Cup game, they were locked out. This was a physical, tough game, felt like an NBA finals game. I know people are down on the NBA. Whatever, I don't really care.

I thought this was great theater. And this Rockets team is super interesting. Keep an eye on the Warriors. Slip sliding down the standings there. Not looking good for Golden State College. They're not a championship team. J. Mack with the News. Well, that's the news.

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Belichick to Carolina. I saw Seth Wickersham today said he thought, the Jets was the best job and he was interested in Jacksonville, non-starter with the Jets. I'm not sure who wants that job. But are you surprised he took a 23rd best college football job in the country? I was surprised originally, Colin, when he took the interview. But then it became less surprising as his, I would say, appetite from NFL teams was not what he thought it would be.

I don't believe that Belichick assumed going into this cycle that he wouldn't have the pick of his litter. Now, last year, the only team that showed tangible interest was the Atlanta Falcons. They got pretty far down the line. Arthur Blank liked him. But ultimately, Bill was never willing to really cease control, even though he told Atlanta, I'm okay giving some of the personnel to someone else. I don't really believe in NFL teams don't believe that he was willing to go down that route. So as the market started to materialize or lack thereof, it became clear to Bill that I need to take the most secure position I can right now, bring my staff, whether it's Michael Lombardi, maybe it's Matt Patricia, Joe Judge, because NFL teams weren't going for that.

They didn't want to bring in Matt Patricia. They didn't want to bring in Josh McDaniels. So all due respect to Bill, the greatest coach of all time, at 72, 73 years old, the market was simply not what he thought it would be. Well, it's interesting because that to me means Mike Vrable. Yep, there you go. Is the number one choice for Chicago and the Jets and Jacksonville? My question is, are those jobs good enough for Vrable? So I think Bill was right when he thought that Jacksonville could be a good job

because the owner would allow you a lot of control. Now, I don't believe they're going to move on from Trimbulki, the GM. I think they're going to keep him. That's problematic for me. That's a big problem. And a lot of teams don't understand that, but Trent has buddied up in a way that is commendable to Tony Con and Shot Khan. He's indispensable to them.

I don't think he's going to get fired. Doug Peterson will not be there after the year. Chicago's a great job, and I think Bill identified that as a really appealing game. It's a really good roster. It is. However, Bill was never going to have the type of control there that he wanted. And I think it's very clear among league circles that Chicago,

at least right now looks at the offensive side of the ball. Maybe it's a Ben Johnson. Someone of that caliber as we need to address the Caleb Williams dilemma we've had this year, which is we haven't been able to develop him the right way. So to your point about Vrable, Chicago's

a great job. New York's, the Giants are a great job. But if you don't win there, you get worn down. And we saw it even with the Jets. You know, all their respect to Robert Sala. I don't think he's a bad football coach. You know do I. But he got worn down by the New York media blitz. And Woody Johnson was a non-starter, to your point with Bill.

So, listen, there's going to be six, seven, eight jobs. There always are. Brable's the top choice. Brable is absolutely the top, or I think Ben Johnson. Those are the two guys that teams are looking at. One's an offensive wonderkind. Another's an established, defensive, you know, players first guy that took the Tennessee Titans to back-to-back NFC. And that was a dysfunctional organization when he was there. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think The other one that's interesting is the Raiders. So, you know, the Raiders calling, I'm actually curious for you.

Is that a good job in your mind? Well, first of all, in a division with Andy Reed Harbaugh and Sean Peyton, Antonio Pierce, and I know him and I like him, feels a little overwhelmed. That is the best coaching division. I mean, you're making an argument now. You have three first ballot Hall of Fame coaches. Antonio Pierce has never been a head coach. I don't think it was a win.

proposition. I mean, does it sound like to you going into a season? Antonio Pearson, Gardner Minshu against Harbon, Herbert, and Mahalms, and Reed? I think it's a very interesting job. They have a left tackle, a superstar tight end, an all-world pass rusher.

They, to me, are an offensive coach and a quarterback away from being interesting. But even if they get it right, the division is a Hall of Fame Mount Rushmore. It's a great point. I would say Mark Davis earlier this week in Dallas said that he likes how hard the guys are still playing for AP.

Yes. So that's a good thing. Yes. And I think we both like Antonio Pierce. The bigger question is, is Mark Davis going to want to pay three different head coaches who are no longer in the building? I talked to a GM last night about this, knowing else going to come on. What's the situation in Vegas?

And he said, that means he would, if he fires AP, he's paying Pierce, McDaniels, and Gruden, and none of them are in the building. So then you have the Tom Brady element. Now Brady is obviously a minority owner, but he's going to give a validity and a cachet of prestige to that organization. And I think Mark Davis will listen to him. So then we have our Fox friend Tom Brady. You have Mike Brable, they're former teammates.

I don't know whether or not the Raiders are going to move on from Pierce. It's a really good job if you're successful. If you're built to withstand those three coaches in that division, if you can win there, that's an organization that is so hungry. If I was the Raiders, I would absolutely offer Vrable the job. But if I was Vrable, I wouldn't take it. That's the way I, if I was Chicago, I'd offer Vrable the job. If I'm Vrable, I'm not sure I'd take it.

But I speak with Mike Vrable, and I will tell you that what matters to him, and I don't want to get too much into the details, is roster composition. And I think it's reasonable to say that Belichick and Vrable both see Chicago as a very good roster right now. I would totally agree. Okay. Philadelphia, A.J. Brown, J.L.Hertz, Brandon Ingram. Is it tense or overblown?

It's overblown because this is pro sports. You know, I think there's a misconception among fans, Colin, that all these guys hang out. They're all friends. This is not the case, especially in a locker room with 53 guys, 53 egos. We had talked five or six weeks ago that it was too early to panic in Philly,

and they've now become the hottest team in the league. I think at some point, down the season, down the stretch, that Hertz is going to have a big play, a couple big plays to AJ Brown. It's just, it's going to happen. And they're going to dab each other up, and everything's going to be copacetic. And we're going to laugh at this moment, saying, oh, they're beefing. AJ Brown wants the football. This is what happens.

And winning does solve everything, but we're not at the point in this season where it's panic mode for anybody if you're winning. Like, the Eagles are just fine. They are in the exact position they want to be in. they have the offensive coordinator to what JMAX said earlier in the segment earlier in the day. I don't think this is an issue at all. Okay. Tonight, if San Francisco loses, now I wrote their obituary three weeks ago, if San Francisco loses tonight, it feels like to me it is a reboot.

It is time to move multiple pieces. Do they view it that way? And are you putting Kyle on that? No, no, no. Kyle's safe. Kyle's fine. I think Lynch is fine. I think it's a well-run organization. They've had draft misses I don't love.

That's life in the NFL. But I think it's much more. I mean, if the Rams lose, we're going to say they're almost this close. If the Niners lose, they've been blown out by Buffalo. They've been blown out by the Packers. So my take is the Niners lose tonight by a touchdown at home. What are we saying tomorrow? Well, we're saying probably what's going on with Brock Purdy

and are they going to pay Brock Purdy? There is a contingent of Niners fans that don't believe Kyle Shanahan should be the head coach. I think that's crazy. Yeah, same. They're not moving on from Kyle Shannon. If they did, there would be 25 teams lining up to get him. Yes. He'd be the Andy Reed getting let go and fill.

Absolutely. Brock Purdy before the year, I think they believed his management that they would get 60 to 65 million after this year and that he would break the record for most paid quarterback. I still think they're going to pay Brock Purdy. If he was not Mr. Irrelevant, if he was a first or second round pick, I don't even know if we've been having this conversation. The reality is it's been a season from hell. They've had tragedy with Traverius Ward, Trent Williams.

They've had injury with Debo and McCaffrey. Purdy's hurt again. Kittle, this is not a panic mode in San Francisco. This is still a roster built to win. I don't know if they're Super Bowl ready yet. They're probably not. They're not. But they're still one of the better teams in the NFC.

Yeah, Shanahan's let go. Literally, he will be hired in a day. Sean McVeigh, other than him, that's probably the most coveted head coach. Yeah. Great stuff. Hey, Colin. Jordan Schultz. Delivering it.

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