The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Chiefs-Raiders, NFL

Episode Date: October 11, 2022

Colin looks at the Chiefs offense without star wide receiver Tyreek Hill and why they're still at the top of the league. Defending Raiders head coach Josh McDaniels going for 2 and potentially costing his team the win The NFL needs to fix the roughing the passer rule   Guest: Peter SchragerSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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These division rivalry games, be it, Raiders chiefs, Bengals, Ravens. They're different. It's a different speed. its different intensity, the chess match, wildly entertaining last night. It felt like the Chiefs got caught looking ahead to Buffalo, right? Down 17-0-0 at home? Very uncharacteristic. Well, good news, Isma Holmes is a great come from behind player.

There was a lot made in the off-season. Oh, Tyreek Hill left. Well, I looked at the box score last night. The Chiefs had 29 first downs without him, 18 passing first downs without him, were great on third down without him, and were four-and-four in the red zone without Tyreek Hill. Of course you get five draft picks for Tyree Kill.

Is Patrick Mahom still great? Yep. Is Travis Kelsey still the best red zone weapon in the league? Yep. Is Andy Reed still the great play designer? Yep. And is the offense still wildly productive? Although perhaps not as fast.

Yep. Of course you take the draft picks. Companies make personnel decisions and tough choices all the time. Tyree Kill made the Chiefs faster. I don't know if he makes them better. I still got the brains with Andy Reid. I got the Armwyn leadership with Mahomes. I got the guy building the roster upstairs, Brett Veach and Travis Kelsey.

Those are the four pieces. I'm going to move off all sorts of players. Defensively, one guy I have to have, Chris Jones. Everybody else, you can have off that roster. Travis Kelsey leads the NFL in red zone touchdowns and red zone catches. By the way, ask yourself this. The best quarterback ever. Tom Brady, who is the guy he was most loyal to that he keeps talking out of retirement?

It's grunk, right? And this is Mahomes. Andy Reed and Mahomes are always going to be able to get yards inside the 20. Listen, average offenses can get yards inside the 20s and 30s. The key is not Tyreek Hill speed. The key is when you get down the 12-yard line, the 14-yard line, the 9-yard line, and everybody's jammed in and you can't throw a deep ball. Okay, that's out of your offense now.

Speed doesn't become as important. Who's the best guy in the league the previous 10 years in the red zone? Gronk was a matchup nightmare. Who's a matchup nightmare? Mayor, Travis Kelsey. I like speed. The chiefs won't be as fast, but they won't be slow. They won't just be as fast.

When I look at Andy Reed, Mahomes, Brett Veach, and Travis Kelsey, in the previous four years, Kelsey led them in catches, for three of those four. The only year Travis Kelsey didn't lead him in catches was the last year where Tyreek Hill was unhappy with his contract. And so they tried to get him more catches. The base, the foundation of this organization is the GM, the coach, the quarterback, the tight end, and that defensive tackle.

Of course you take the five draft picks. I watched them last night. Nothing's changed with this team. They still fall behind. They're still the most talented. they're still unbelievably smart and clever in the red zone. They have the most talented quarterback. Listen, you can like Aaron Rogers.

Stop. Nobody in the league is close to Mahomes. Leadership coming from behind, armed talent, able to move. He's now separated himself. He's in a class by himself. Josh Allen's talented, but he doesn't win those games, those close games like Mahomes does. Mahomes' career now is defined.

Not only his talent, coming from behind and winning these close games. Josh Allen hasn't checked that final box. He's not winning these close games. He's winning blowouts. He's got a better defense. He's got a better pass rush. He has a defensive coach. But Alan hasn't proven that he can win these close come from behind games like Mahomes. And that's what separates him. Okay, I want to talk about, there's a lot of different things to talk about in this game. Let me talk about going for two. So this, this, this, this becomes a discussion a lot. I'll get to the Chris Jones sack, non-sac in a second. To me, it's always been situational. Like, I don't believe there's like a book because in

your book of analytics, is, is Mahomes in there? I mean, is Jacobi Brissette in your book? Is that when it comes to going for two, I think about a lot of things. First of all, I'm the Raiders. Do I like my quarterback? Do I like my weapons? Do I like my running back? going for two short yardage. The answer is, yeah. All right. Secondly, who are we facing? Who's their playmakers?

Oh, it's Patrick Mahomes. Okay, that kind of changes everything, right? Like, I like my people, but I also know the other team may have, be one of the only teams in the league that has better people than my people. And there's like four minutes left. So, I mean, pilots look before they take the. plaintiff. What do pilots do? What's the weather? They change course. Surgeons get the x-rays in. A surgeon has a hunch what's wrong with you or me. And then they get the x-rays in. And then they change their decision. The reality with this stuff is the Raider players were totally behind it.

I thought Josh Jacobs got in. But I totally understand when you're facing Patrick Mahomes, especially at Arrowhead, I'm going for it. I'm going to try to, I'm going to try to, I'm going to try to, I like my playmakers. I know what's on the other side. It's totally different. Chargers in Cleveland. It's Jacoby Brissette. He's really a career backup.

He didn't have any timeout. Raiders still had a timeout. And they have a good field goal kicker. So if they got the ball back after Mahomes scored, I take my chances maybe. But to me, this whole thing about do you go for it, do you not go for it? How do you not consider who you're facing? I'm facing Patrick Mahomes. I'm in Kansas City.

I'm going to go and try to take a lead. And Sean Payton talked about all the decisions all these coaches make going for two latent games. I'm tired. I'm not tired, but the fourth down going forward, going for. I didn't like that. I 100% agree. It's a different, when we play Rogers, when we play Mahomes, we think differently. The numbers are different.

These guys are the best in the last 20 years and two-minute offense. And so, and I, look, Jacoby's doing a great job, but all of that's factored. Yeah, the previous five drives for Mahomes and the Chiefs. Touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, field goal touchdown. You've got to coach differently. You got to go for it. I like Derek Carr. I like Josh Jacobs.

I got a Hunter Renfro. I got that Bonte Adams. I like my people. But more than anything, their people scare me. That's why the Chargers, I thought, made a mistake. Jacoby Brissette. They don't have a dynamic receiving core. They don't have enough time to use their best offensive players.

Nick Chubb, yeah, go ahead, see if you can punt it, see if you can go 60 yards. I got Reed, Mahomes, Kelsey, I got all the, and I got four minutes, and the best come from behind quarterback of all time, I got to take my chances. Derek Carr, by the way, I think speaks for the entire Raider team. Like two, three yards, this team all night was getting five yards of carry. Yeah, I liked it. I liked being aggressive, especially on the road. When we scored, I was excited, but I was already telling people, hey, too.

And then I looked at Josh, and he said it in my head. That's it. So from my view, I thought Josh was in. I thought his knee stayed off the ground. I don't know. I didn't see the TV and all that. So, I mean, we're this close from being up 31.30, you know. Yeah, I am pro analytics. Basketball, baseball, football. But I think sometimes we think there's this book on analytics. And the book is, who are your playmakers and who are theirs? And I think Mahalms, and this is what the great ones do. Very few players do this. But like if you were in a division against Peyton Manning for years, you just drafted pass rushers. You had to get to Peyton Manning. You couldn't outscore him, so you had to slow him down.

For years, Brady and his division, a lot of people hired defensive coaches. The Jets hired defensive coaches, Buffalo hiring defensive coaches. We got to stop Tom Brady. If Mahomes is in your division and the Raiders are in the same division with the Mahomes, twice a year. You have to coach more aggressively. He literally changes your off-seasons. He changes your end seasons. He changes your red zone offense. He changes your coaches. That is greatness. That's what Michael Jordan did. That's what Magic did. That's what Peyton Manning did. That's what Brady did. That's what Mahomes does. I don't care about the book. All I know is this. I face Mahomes.

I'm going to go for it. I'm going to go for it and fourth and short. By the way, what did the Raiders do in the offseason? They went and got an offensive coach to give Derek Carr the best chance to beat Mahomes, and they also signed another pass rusher. So they got Crosby and another pass rusher. That's what Mahomes does. He changed your drafts, your game plans, your situation, and to meet a fourth down situations,

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I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Then you're finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really?

Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You know, one of the things I love about the NFL is they're not rigid. Baseball takes forever to make changes. Football, they literally change the catch rule during the Eagles Patriot Super Bowl. They're not rigid.

They'll change things. They'll implement changes. It's a television product and they get it. But sometimes when they implement change, like anybody that implements is change, they can go too far. They can overreach. And I think they've now overcorrected protecting quarterback. So two things can be true.

The Tua concussion was scary. The dolphins butchered it. And also, quarterbacks do get hit. And they get hurt all the time. Joe Burrow literally was in that game facing Tua. Came on my podcast and said, yeah, there's been multiple games. I don't know what happened in the second half. The league does everything it can, but quarterbacks, I've talked to all of them.

Friends, Drew Bledsoe, Trent Dilfer, Joe Burrow, every quarterback I've ever talked about this privately like, you get hit. And by the way, everybody else gets hit. can't whine about it, you get hit. And yes, it's scary. And yes, protocols now should be safer. And the Miami Dolphins did butcher it. But changing in-game officiating also is really dicey because it's not reviewable. In college, like a targeting call is reviewable.

It's not, this is not reviewable. So I think this Sunday, the Atlanta Falcons got royally screwed over, a potential win taken away. And this call against Chris Jones, brutal. That's as bad a call as you have in the NFL. You know how hard it is to get a sack in the NFL? He not only got one, he stripped the ball away. It's an all-time play. And so you can think, I know internet will not allow this, but you can think two things at once. Tua should be protected. The injury was scary. The dolphins are a mess. They screwed up protocols and we got to correct them. But these wild overcorrections with in-game officiating, we've got to be honest here.

It's a physical game, and one of the things that makes it great is that defense, it should be noted, usually has a chance. We can't take that away. Chris Jones has got to be able to be physical. For the record, Chris Jones is a great defensive lineman. Jarrett for the Falcons, a great defensive lineman. They're paid to make those plays at the end of the game. Aaron Donald saved the Super Bowl for the Rams. Chris Jones, Aaron Donald, Jarrett for the Falcons. They're three of the top five or six linemen in the NFL.

That's what they're paid to do to get the quarterbacks. Fast, quick. Sometimes a quarterback's not waiting for it. I thought it was an overreach. I thought the Atlanta call was an overreach. And I still care about two. And I still care about concussions. And I still think protocols should be approved.

And I still think the dolphins butchered it. Here's Andy Reed and Chris Jones after. You guys are trying to get me fine. I'm not going there. He made the call he made. And the league, I'm on a couple of committees there. and I, so I understand protecting the quarterback. There's a fine line, right?

I mean, we've just got to sort that out. But these guys, I mean, they work their butt off to do a good job for us out here. You know, and the league spends time doing it and looking at it. So, but, you know, sometimes there's a point where you got to let guys play. And we've just got to find where that happy median is. I think now to evolve, we're up in the passion. protecting the quarterback is essentially what we're doing in this league. We've got to be able to look at roughen the passengers in the booth.

Because now it's getting absurd. You know what I'm saying? Now it's causing teams games. I actually stripped the ball and gravity kind of took me to the ground. And that's a roughener-a-passer call in a critical situation in the game. It's started now. We're down 10 points. A lot of these rough-in-the-passers would be called back.

Yeah, college football in the NFL, there are things I prefer about the college game. One of them is the targeting is review. on these NFL calls, if you're going to make sweeping changes, you've got to go upstairs. We've got to have what I would call like the umbrella rule. There are just certain big plays. I've thought about this before. What if each team had the right once in a game and you'd probably save it for the end? You would call it, you know, the umbrella flag.

You get one time a game no matter what the play is where you as a coach can throw down a yellow flag and say, that has to be reviewed. That's it. I mean, we already have challenges, but I think if you're, the NFL, one of the things I love about them is their ability to generally change in season. I love that. Stubborn people wear me out. But I think to change this rule mid-season, not reviewable, it's, you know, you know how

sometimes you know something's going to cost you eventually? I think Kansas City could have won this game. They won the game anyway, right? So it didn't cost them. and I do think Tampa would have held on with their defense to meet Atlanta. You do not want to get into a playoff situation where a Buffalo or a Kansas City loses a game because a play like this has been changed during the season and is not reviewable. J. Mack with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. That Chris Jones call was way worse than the Brady one. We would agree. I thought the Chris Jones call. First of all, for a defensive lineman to get a sack as hard, but to then take the ball away. That's what drove nuts nuts about the catch call. That these great players, like Des Bryant,

they were being punished because they didn't have an elbow down. Chris Jones made one of the best defensive plays of the seat. Maybe it had been the best defensive play of the season. And you took it away. And everybody, by the way, you got to give Kansas City's crowd. They held a grudge. Yeah. They booed for the next two hours. And I was totally in their corner. I've never seen a crowd. refused to stop booing for the rest of the game. Did you see how many flags the Raiders were called for in like the final seven minutes of the game? It was like eight penalties on the race. I feel like it was influenced.

Shout out to Chris Jones. He made the stop on Josh Jones. If you look at the replay on the two-point conversion. He's a great player. He's an awesome player. All right, let's get to a bad team, Colin. Let's start with the Pittsburgh Steelers coming off the 383 debacle against the bills. Now, I don't know if you saw this, but defensive tackle Cam Hayward is in some hot water for something he did on Twitter.

a fan posted they can't stand Mike Tomlin and they think he's a flound, a fraud and a clown. Now, Mike Tomlin, of course, is a great coach. But Cam Hayward, who's been with the Steelers for 12 years, was caught retweeting it. Some jabroney. I mean, what's he thinking? So then Cam Hayward had to apologize when he got called out by Steelers Nation. Disregard my last retweet. That was a butt retweet.

Dumb, dumb, Cam. Okay, let me be clear what I say, that was a complete accident. I challenge myself to be better and don't look to point the finger. These losses, I take personal and I need to be better. My head coach and teammates are the ones I care about. I'm on to Tampa, see you Sunday. Well, the Pittsburgh Steelers this morning are in a short list of potential worst teams in the league. Tank City, baby.

And so this is very rare real estate. They've not been here. So there's a little implosion here because, you know, the Lions, Cleveland, your jets, there's not an apathy, but there's an understanding of lower expectations. These guys, Tomlin's never had a losing season. This is completely foreign space for Pittsburgh, and there's a little implosion going on. As far as apologies go, we'll get to a good one shortly. Kim Hayward really went on and on about an accidental retweet, did he not?

I mean, goodness gracious. Pittsburgh, they got some problems. All right, let's get to Panthers fired coach Matt Ruhl, obviously. Team owner David Tepper spoke with the media yesterday and expressed his frustrations with the lack of a winning culture in Carolina. I think that we have to figure out how to get a culture of winning here, okay, which we haven't had a long time in this place. And as I said at some point, we never have won. This town, this team has never had two winning seasons. So I don't really think it ever had a real culture of winning.

You know, I don't think we're over the hump. We started off one and four this year. We had five wins the last two seasons. We, you know, had different. lack of success in other seasons. So we have to somehow change that culture. Okay, so David Temper is way smarter than me. College football is about culture. NFL football is about getting a quarterback. If tomorrow you got Bryce Young and he stayed healthy and was very good, he would create a winning culture. This whole culture talk is huge in college football. Matt Rule

great at building cultures because a coach controls 75. percent of winning in college. In the NFL, the star quarterback, because the margins are so tiny in the NFL that it's a playmaker like Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, Tom Brady. You know, the games are all decided by four points. The bucks are great. The Falcons are terrible. It comes down to the last drive. So this idea, David Tepper is sounding like an athletic director that is trying to build a culture. It has nothing to do with building the culture. Tom Brady was the culture. He left the winning culture left. You got to go get a quarterback. in the NFL. That is your culture.

Well, I'd argue that Rivera and McDermott created a defensive culture with Cam Newton as their quarterback. Remember, I think they went 15 and 1, went to the Super Bowl. They had Julius Peppers, the middle linebacker who was awesome. I'm spacing on his name right now. But they were awesome. This was like seven years ago, Colin. It takes a while to build a culture. They give rule, what, two and a half years? Like, with no quarterback, you know who else is looking at this? And hearing what the owner said is Frank Reich. I mean, last five years, he's had a different starting quarterback every year. Yeah. And by the way, Frank Rice,

and Chris Ballard, they didn't want to get rid of Carson Wentz. They were ninth in the league in scoring and now the culture 32nd. The owner jumps in. Yeah, the owner jumps in. So I'm not saying culture doesn't have value. New England, Sean McVeigh, a coach has value. But as great as the culture was in Los Angeles, they got a Super Bowl and they upgraded at quarterback.

Yeah. Okay? That's why the Niners drafted Trey Lance. They think they've got a fine culture and a fine roster. They want a little higher ceiling at quarterback. It may or may not work. Hey, you mentioned Bryce Young. Listen, I like Bryce Young a lot.

He's about the same size as two of. Oh, no, no. He's smaller. He's smaller. He's a better thrower. He's smaller. Of course, I think about everything. We've come to the point in the NFL.

Russell Wilson makes us all believe. Russell Wilson got Johnny Mansell drafted and Kyler Murray drafted. And it's like, folks, this position is one of the only positions in football where it's a smaller athlete often and you can hit them blindsided. And so, yes, I think about everything. Size hat. By the way, my favorite quarterbacks in the league now, Josh Allen, big, Mahomes big, Burrough, Herbert. You know, a lot of the guys I like.

Zach Wilson? I came in, I said, I worry about his size. He's thin, he slender. Injuries his first two seasons. That's right. And so two things can be true. I can care about them and also worry that they're not big enough to take the hits over the course of eight to ten years in the league. And Russell Wilson did not have injuries his first, what, like eight or nine years now.

the last two years hurt. We'll talk a little bit more, but the Broncos made a move on from their practice squad this week has me worried about Russell Monday night football. But let's move on to what was absolutely captivating last night. Devante Adams, Colin, walking off the field angrily, and this guy, apparently a photographer, he was holding a boom mic. I don't know what he held there, but he just kind of appeared in front of Devante Adams. Look at this shove. Yeah, so I think this has not been talked about on the internet. Devante Adams did not see the guy coming.

Yeah. And he literally popped in front of him. The guy is like walking with his head down in front the tunnel. And now, Colin, I don't know if you see this. He filed a police report and got a ride to the hospital. This guy's looking for some money. Okay, so here's the thing. When you see that piece of video, Devonte Adams looks like a jerk. Yeah.

Watch this one, where Devante's heads down and the guy runs into him. And the guy's head is down as well. He's not looking where he's going. So what happened is, of course, social media is all overreaction. My takeaway is Devante had a terrible. last minute, ran into Hunter Renfro. He's very frustrated. He's walking off the field, head down, and a guy literally right here walks right in front of him. So, again, there's no nuance anywhere. I think Devante shouldn't have pushed him. I think Devante should have, literally gone,

saw the camera, helped him up. Absolutely. I'm not saying he should. I'm not saying it's right. But this idea that Devonte, who has a history of being a great guy, like there's never been a single complaint. Devante Adams was known in Green Bay as the hardest working Packers, they've had in the building in a decade. He was quiet to himself, family guy, charity. Let's not picture him as some bad guy. Now, he did go quickly apologize on social media, which cleared it up. The video obviously, listen, when it first emerged, you're like, oh gosh, it's not a good look. Okay, because there's a reason boxing has judges on each side of the ring. Yes. When you look at it from above, it looks like he just saw a guy and pushed him.

When you see the second video, a guy with his head down and equipment walks right in front of it. That's why you try not to overreact, but social media tends to overreaction. Now, Colin, I got to ask, what are we looking at here for Adams? I think they have a Bible. They'll suspend it. I think they'll fine or suspension. Find him. Yeah, I don't think it's suspension-worthy seeing that second view.

No, but I'd fine him. You know, I get that. And then quickly, on Devante Adams, state of mind. I don't think he's ever one and four in Green Bay. And now he's one and four looking way up in the standings at the Chargers, at the Chiefs. And it's like, he had three catches last night while, I mean, he was abusing the Kansas City defenders. They were flagging personal foul or pass interference every time he went down field.

Do you think he's a little frustrated with Derek Carr, his buddy? No, I don't. Listen, you know, you and I talked about this. I think we did about a month ago or three weeks ago. Sometimes the divorce is bad for both sides. Aaron Rogers clearly has no deep threat. And Green Bay is now a much easier team to defend. And Devante Adams got a lot of touchdowns from Aaron and a lot of. of easy, bad secondaries in his division. So I think Aaron and Devante together were perfect.

I think neither will be quite as great without the other. And by the way, Devante is going to be fine because Derek's excellent. So I think the winner, Devante will get his money, he'll get touchdowns. He's not going to win as many games. Aaron, I don't think there's a Devonte Adams on the market. I don't think he exists on the market. I mean, Odell Beckham's no Devante Adams. No. He would be an upgrade over what they got now. Devante Adams, if I got a lottery to pick my receivers in the league, I'd pick him one in Cooper Cup, too. Oh, I would flop, though.

I would go Cooper Cup. Okay. What about Justin Jefferson? Jamar Chase, Justin, three. I mean, there are, Stefan Diggs, I love. There's about five guys. But Devante's route running, work ethic, intensity. He's unbelievable.

I looked at the replays of that catch he had on the final drive. The bobble, that had to hurt, you know, this is. And then he ran into 100-end. Pro. It's a brutal last minute. It's just a bad ending. It was. Feel bad for the guy. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. So I like data. You and I can argue about stuff. But if I present to you data, I win the argument or lose the argument based on the data. So here is a list and percentages of active NFL quarterback's record when they trail by 10 or more points.

One, Mahomes has a winning record. Not a shock, Brady, Russell, Wilson, Lamar Jackson, Jimmy Garoppolo make the top five. Aaron Rogers is nowhere to be seen. As I've said for years, he is not a foxhole guy. He is a bailer, not a baller. You often notice it late in that fourth quarter loss at Lambo to San Francisco or that loss to the giants, not a grinder, body language changes, becomes a finger pointer, starts throwing

the ball, low percentage bombs down the field, not willing to put in 12 play drive, be patient, that takes real leadership. This is where Mahomes, when people tell me that Aaron's better than Mahomes, you're a clown. You literally don't get football. You don't think leadership matters? You don't think the ability to come from behind matters. of the two or three things that define Brady. It's his ability to have a bad first half, wash it out,

doesn't change who he is, and have a great second half. If Aaron Rogers has a bad first half, he is often done. He is not a foxhole guy. And, you know, it's, so when I look at this number, obviously I like Garoppolo way more. By the way, this is why Garapolo is loved in that locker room. He's a foxhole guy. I love Lamar Jackson late in games. He's a foxhole guy.

It's a personality test. Mahomes and Brady almost seem to like it and relish it and embrace it. Aaron Rogers, it's eye-rolling body language. The numbers don't lie. He is 12th in the league in coming from behind. He's 14 and 52 when he trails. And if you go to his last five years, do you know his only five come from behind wins, errands, lousy indivision teams and a bad Jets team. He never comes back against good teams. Brady does.

Russell Wilson does. Lamar just did. Mahomes has made a career out of it. I mean, when I look at Mahomes, most great players are defined by two things. Like Brady, it's basically Brady. It's the leadership and its obsessiveness. With Mahomes, it's his armed talent and his ability to come from behind. His personality does not change at all one iota. He's the exact same guy leading and trailing. In fact, I think Mahomes sort of embraces it, sees it as a challenge. He doesn't roll his eyes. He doesn't point fingers. He rallies the troops. But the numbers don't lie. If you start telling me Aaron's better than Mahomes at this point, you're not paying attention. You're just not paying attention to what wins in this league. It's not college football.

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Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so you all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence.

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I was hurting ratings. I was really pulling it down. Shregs. So two things, Peter, can be true. I can be concerned about Tua and concussions, and also think the league is overcorrected on officiating games. I know Twitter doesn't allow this, but it is true. What did you make of the Chris Jones call,

which I just literally is one of the great defensive plays of the year, and they took it away? What did you make of it? It took it away, and it comes in the aftermath, 24 hours later of Grady Jarrett doing it, a textbook. That's exactly how they teach you to do it. This one was confusing because the ball is loose. Truth the matter is the competition committee meets every offseason.

If they want to propose that the NFL league office and we can review roughing the passers in real time because the angles are much more generous for the viewer at home than they are in real time, where these officials are so concerned with player safety that they might be quick on the flag well then we could propose that and try to change it. But remember, a couple years ago, they did this to pass interference, and there would be a flag on every pass interference. You know what happened more often than not?

The officials who were doing it said, you know what? I'm sticking by my decision. I don't think you can absolutely overturn this. It's not undeniable. I'm not sure what the answer is. To your point, we want these guys to be safe, but what these two players did, both Jones and Grady Jarrett, our textbook,

how you're supposed to do it, they weren't trying to throw the guys to the ground, but the NFL is to make a decision. day. Want to make this reversible and reviewable? I don't know. That goes down a rabbit hole of suddenly we're up and doing reviews for 10 minutes every game. I had Sean Payton on yesterday. He was great. We talked about this. I said if I was the Chargers, I'd rather pun it to Jacoby Brissette with no timeouts and take my chances. But the Raiders last night, I'm like, yeah, I get it. It's Mahomes. It's Arrowhead. I'll go for it. I think Mahomes is so

great. Peyton Manning did this. It literally changes how you draft, game plan. fourth downs. I didn't have a problem with the Raiders going for it. A lot of people push back. Where did you land? I didn't have a problem for it either because of the Mahomes factor. And if you look at what that Peyton Manning reference you make, it's when Bill Belichick went for it on fourth down in his own territory on a Sunday night game. And Kevin Falk came a yard short. And in the press conference afterwards, that was, you know, 10 years ago already. So I have no regrets. Peyton Manning was coming up and down the field. If you've been watching the Chiefs offense,

they've been coming up and down the field. So they go for two to take a one-point lead. and then the assumption is that your defense can make a stop. The truth of the matter is, Vegas got the ball back with a chance to win. So that two-point conversion did not crush them. They actually had the defensive stop. They get the ball back, and then they couldn't convert when Adams and Renfro run the same route or in the same place.

The Chargers stuff, like, here's the deal. We all want to be on Twitter and be pro-analytics and pro-go-forward on-forth down. There are so many factors, though, that go into this thing, or it's, hey, our starting left guard is out, or the rhythm of the game is different, that everything has to be met with a human element to it. A lot of these decisions are made based on the rhythm of the game.

So when Nathaniel Hackett on Thursday night decides, hey, let's go for it on 4th and 1, there's a reason he's doing that, and his justification is the feel of the game. And that's not something you can point to your binder or to your numbers and say, why would he go for it? The numbers say to do this, Harball one week decides to go for it.

They don't get it. Sunday night against the Bengals, he took a field goal. And you know what? They made the field goal? they went up 1310 and they live to fight another down. It matters on the game and it matters on the field. It's not just what it says in the binder and what the ambulance guys say. Yeah, you and I totally agree.

So McIntyre here, he's already got the Jets playoff scenario all mapped out. But I will say, I think they got the GM right. I think their last two drafts have been sensational. I thought last year's draft was as good a draft as you can have. So I like the GM and that's a big component. I worry about the left tackle. I don't know if the coach is right. The quarterback worries me.

smaller he gets hurt. But there's definitely energy around the Jets right now that is very positive. You tell me, who gets credit for this brief turnaround? Well, Joe Douglas gets the first credit. He's the general manager because you mentioned their draft last year.

Elijah Vera Tucker is going to be an all-pro this year at a USC. He played right tackle two weeks ago, or this week. He played left tackle two weeks ago. He gives up no pressures, no sacks. This guy is unbelievable. But you go down the list of these offensive skill players.

I think Mike LaFleur, Matt LaFleur's little brother, who's the offensive coordinator, who has been just dragged in the New York media for the last season and a half, all of these young guys are merging at the same time. I'm talking about a second year quarterback. I'm talking about a rookie running back, a second year running back, and Hall and Carter. Then you've got all these young wide receivers and Elijah Moore in his second year. And then Garrett Wilson, for all of these guys to be young at the same time and come up and to not have a flurry of false starts, to not have guys running the wrong routes, to not have guys being at the same. same place at the wrong time. I think Michael Flore, who has been, you know, public enemy number one in New York media as far as this Jets offense over the last year and a half, because there's a lot of credit because the Jets offense is humming right now and it's all first and second year players. Yeah. It says a lot about the guy being able to get them all on the same page running a complex San Francisco offense. Yeah, they've got some speed. There's no question. And by the way, it's great. The Jets and the Giants, you know what? They got a little juice now. It makes it a lot of fun. You can't rely on the Mets. They're gone. So the Jets and the Jets and the Jets.

Giants and the Yankees are giving us hope. So, listen, I like Carson Wentz better than everybody else. I get it. I made a mistake on that. But I will say, the Colts were ninth in offense with him. They're 32nd. Okay, so I don't think Frank Wright wanted him out. I think the owner did, and you do what the owner wants.

Now he goes to Washington, and I mean, literally, he's plummeted, and Ron Rivera is calling him out. And I'm like, time out. Talk, I mean, this guy's had trouble owning locker rooms in Philadelphia. and Indy. What did you make of Ron Rivera basically Danierre, our problem's the quarterback? I watched the whole clip and I was like,

there's got to be more to this because I know Ron, he's one of the great men and ambassadors of the sport and he's, you know, all of the things you'd ever want in a leader. And I'm like, he would never drive the bus over Carson Wentz intentionally unless he's trying to motivate. The truth of the matter is, the quarterback play in Washington hasn't been so terrible. They're in all these games.

But that interception was such a game. You're right there on the goal. line. You win this game. The whole season's different. You're two and three. We've got the Brian Robinson story. Everything's great. The defense is playing well. And then to throw a pick in the waning moments is so Carson Wentz. And that's what he did in Philly. That's what he did an indie last year against the Titans, of course, against Kevin Byard that game. He does it here. I'm wondering if a little bit of that was to motivate Wens was to poker proud in him. And you're saying, well, he doesn't need motivation. I don't know. Teams 1 and 4. Maybe this kick

starts it. Maybe that's get something out of Carson Wentz. But to your point, he was beloved in Philly, they turned on him. He was beloved in indie. They turned on him. And now it seems like the Washington head coach, Ron Rivera, has comments publicly, which usually stays within the locker room. But hey, you're a big boy. You've made $100 million in the NFL. Maybe it's time Carson Went steps up. Okay. Finally, you wrote a book about the Giants. I said this yesterday is people have told me Matt LaFlewer is a great coach. I don't always see it. I can see it with DaBle. The adjustments. Situational. That is an average old line. and he's got them plowing over a Packer defense with first rounders everywhere.

I don't know what to make of the Giants. All I know is this. They found the coach. That's what looks really clear to me. Your thoughts. Okay. So you tweet sometimes. And sometimes, you know, you're sitting there.

You have a couple drinks. You fire off a tweet. And then it goes viral. And you're like, what I say. I was watching this game, had a cocktail, tweet it out. Hey, it looks like the Giants just had their best coached games since Coughlin won the second Super Bowl. And this tweet got like 100,000 likes and all those retweets. And I'm like, I don't think that was such a hot take.

I mean it. They are coached so well, top to bottom. You look at the roster itself. This is supposed to be a rebuilding year. But Debo has them believing, and he plays within their strengths. You better believe Brian Debo has a playbook as long as Kyle Shanahan and has diverse as Sean McVey with all the bells and whistles. What do they do?

They run what looks to be a JV offense with Daniel Jones that just runs behind three tight ends and they hand the ball to Saquan and they play within themselves. It takes a lot of self-confidence. from a head coach to know he has all that offensive wherewithal, but knows to play within the rounds of what he's got. They don't have a ton of skill players on that offense, yet they move the chains, they believe in each other, and the three coaching hires.

Dayball, Wake Martindale, and Mike Kafka, the offensive coordinator, have all been home runs. The Giants got it right, and this team is believing the most important thing you can ask for out of a team that was supposed to be in a rebuilding year. Yeah, good for them. Shregs, as always, he's on Sundays. We have retained his services on Sunday. Yes.

He boxed me out. I just watch it on TV now. We miss you, bro. Now you get to just watch football. This sounds amazing. Good seeing you, Shrakes. You're the best. Good morning football.

He's on every morning. Numbers don't lie in the last decade. Over 4 million people have chosen Simply Safe Home Security to protect their home. Claim a free indoor security camera, 20% off interactive monitoring at simply safe collin.com. No, like we do know there are limitations, even if you're a great coach, if you don't have the right quarterback. Like Sean Payton could take a job.

our show every Monday. Sean is going to come back in coaching, but the takeaway is you've got to find the right quarterback. Like there's no reason to go back. Like to me, Carolina, there's a reason they're not winning. It's not because they don't have the right coach. It's because they don't have the right quarterback. Belichick has limitations without a superstar quarterback. But when you watch the giants, the great thing about getting the coach right, you will know by the end of the year if Daniel Jones is the guy, because you'll get the best out of him. I mean, there's a lot of times. I mean, there's a lot of times, you know, you watch a quarterback and you're like, God, if you, like Kirk Cousins, now they've given him an offensive coach. It's funny, he wins all these close

games. Isn't it funny? Do you think Garoppolo would be as good without Kyle Shanahan? It's funny. Jared Goff isn't as good without his offensive guy. So the good news with Dayball, you will know by Thanksgiving or after, okay, if Daniel Jones is struggling, that's the most, that's what he is. And that's all he is. You don't think they're going to talk themselves. into Jones, do you? Because they declined his fifth year. Well, no, I... I am Mr. Negative. I don't see him as a build-around guy.

Agreed. I don't. I do. If Carapolo has never hurt, I think he's a build-around guy. His injuries. Now, Daniel doesn't get hurt. I just think he lacks arm talent. I don't think he's special.

But, hey, all I know is the coach. What you get at the end of the year, you'll know if he's the guy because that's the best version of him. Hour 2 next. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.

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Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast. Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars fan, so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes.

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