The Herd with Colin Cowherd - HOUR 1 - Coaching, Mayfield, MSU

Episode Date: November 18, 2021

The game has gotten easier for coaches like Nick Saban and Bill BelichickThe Browns don't trust Baker MayfieldColin discusses the success of Michigan StateGuest: Albert Breer Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Herd. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, here we go live in Los Angeles. It's the herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. One hour from now, the great Greg CoSell, you bet football, you love fantasy football, you want to get smarter in football. I learn something every week. Greg CoSell, our NFL meat sandwich in one hour. Enjoy Taylor's joining me. I didn't think about this driving home yesterday. The Staples Center here in Los Angeles. I mean, it's an office supply company. It's not that, you know, it doesn't feel like the Boston Gardner, old Yankee Stadium, or the Rose Bowl. But Staples Center in Los Angeles, people are, you know, a little, they don't like it that crypto.com is now the name of the arena.

And I did think it's, this is the world we live in now. I cannot buy a cup of coffee with cryptocurrency, but you can buy the naming rights to, Staples Center for 700 million. I could not buy this pen with cryptocurrency. Now, currently in America, maybe in a year we can. I can't figure out all this cryptocurrency stuff. I hope all of you that have invested get wildly rich. I'm happy for those. But just when you say cryptocurrency to me, just put a big question mark on my face because I don't understand any of it. I'm too stupid. I can't figure it out. I like cash, credit cards, and real estate. I'm trying to figure it out. I know people are going to,

we're a little upset about it, but you know, people, I feel like everyone reacts to this. Every time, now, there's been stadiums that have been renamed 15 times and they just call it whatever the original one was or they remember what the new name is, but you know, some nostalgia to...

To me, the Rose Bowl in Los Angeles, that's the stadium. The Coliseum and the Rose Bowl mostly. Like, we will refer to it as Sofi because it's Sofi Stadium. Right. Because that was its first name. Right. I don't have any other recollection of it. Right, exactly.

Like, whatever it is the first time around. But then you'll get used to it and eventually you'll start calling it that. And then we can go in there and buy beers with the crypto, then we'll really get into it. Doge coin, whatever that is. Okay, let me start with this. Joy and I got into a conversation the other day about the downside to technology. And it worries me a lot. I think I benefit a lot from technology.

But I think it's made us as a country impatient and there's no going back. we are a more impatient country because of tech. I got my phone. People don't read articles. They just read headlines. You scroll through TikTok every morning. You scroll through Instagram. I need to constantly as we're caffeinated, very frenetic.

Give me information. Give me images. The other thing that makes people impatient is money. Hey, I got money. I got DoorDash. Food comes to me. I can pay for somebody to do my. my dry cleaning, wash my car.

And football in America is big money. And people talk about Nick Saban retiring because he's getting near 70 and Bill Belichick retiring. But what is actually happening for Sabin and Belichick is the game is getting easier for them. And here's why. Because college football now, there's so much money in it that if you're not good after nine games like Sark in Texas, we're like, well, this is fire him.

because donors now are not millionaires. Donors now have billions. And so they just write a $25, $35, $45 million check. Let's get rid of Sarky's no good. You don't even give people a year? I mean, 10 years ago, 12 years ago, Saban lost to Louisiana Monroe. We didn't think about firing him. Wealth creates impatience.

I saw a story yesterday. Bill Belichick now makes $18 million a year. He's the highest paid coach in America, makes twice of what the best NBA coach makes Steve Kerr, makes almost twice to save him. And he's worth every penny, by the way. But it's also getting easier for Belichick. So when people talk about Belichick retiring, you know, Brady's going to retire, we always talk about quarterbacks can play forever.

Why can't Belichick coach for another decade? I want you to think of this for a second. Tonight the Patriots, with a rookie quarterback, go on the road to Atlanta, Facing a former MVP quarterback Matt Ryan, who's still pretty darn good. And the Patriots are a touchdown favorite. Why? Is it personnel? Is it Mack Jones?

No, Matt Ryan today is a better quarterback than Matt Jones. Mac Jones. We know that, right? It's Belichick on a short week against a rookie head coach on a short week. And the market in Vegas says, that's about a touchdown. That's a coaching mismatch. Think about this. A loaded Dallas Cowboys team at home with an MVP-level quarterback,

Dak Prescott, he's in the MVP race, right? With great weapons was only an eight-point favorite at home against Atlanta. Atlanta goes home, desperate team, veteran quarterback, they're now a seven-point dog to New England with a rookie quarterback. The hell's going on? The betting markets are telling you, after five or six top quarterbacks, quarterbacks, Belichick moves the line more than any other human in the league. That is unprecedented.

That has never happened. They always say that about John Madden, the former Fox broadcaster, is that Madden was the only person in the history of football analysts that moved the needle. A Madden game got a bigger rating. A Madden blowout, you'd stick around for Madden. That's how big John Madden was. That's not an opinion. That's like data, the metrics all showed. People would watch a game because it was a Madden game.

I always felt that as a kid growing up with Keith Jackson doing college football. Oh, it was a Keith Jackson game. I'm going to watch. And I felt that with Madden. Think about this. It's getting easier for Belichick. Currently, there's 11 NFL head coaches because of all this money and impatience in football. Nick Sabin is now often facing a first-year head coach, a coordinator who's been

given a head coaching job, who's already a coordinator. It's getting easier for Saban. Saban's got his worst team in 13 years. They're number two in the country. It's his worst team, a freshman quarterback. Belichick's got a rookie quarterback. Is a touchdown favorite against Atlanta? On a short week with a rookie quarterback?

Think about this. There's currently 11 NFL head coaches. 11, over a third of the league, that are in their first or second year. Belichick is playing chess to checkers. Who's Belichick lost to this year? And oh, oh, Sean Peyton, Bruce Ariens, Mike McCarthy. Here's Belichick's wins this year. Robert Sala blowout twice.

Brandon Staley, Matt Rule, Kevin Stefansky blowout, David Cully. Belichick has so much institutional knowledge. so many experiences that he now moves the needle. Isn't that incredible? That, to me, it's just like, wow. Wow. All right, I want to talk about a word that we don't use a ton. Now, we all know it's important.

I mean, nobody is going to say this word's not important, but I do think it's underrated. And I told you years ago, Joy, I thought curious was underrated. I've never met a curious person that was not. are happy or successful. Curious, want more information. You just want to travel. You want to see the world.

Curious people are happier. Curious people tend to be more successful. They're always looking for information and experiences. Another word that is really underrated. We know what has value is trust. This is prime example. Joy doesn't even know this. I told bosses, I want to get Joy Taylor on the show.

The reason was trust. Well, she's talented. She's talented. But we both know. There's a lot of talented people. I said, I trust Joy. Joy will come on the show. If I say something stupid, she's quick, she's verbal, she's got the ability to talk.

She's done radio for years and years, so I can put her without a script. Joy could talk her way through a battleship. She could talk for all day. She talks in the makeup room in the morning. She talks getting coffee. Joy can talk. She probably talks to herself. And I said, I trust Joy.

Joy can talk all day long. There you go. You didn't know that. So trust is underrated. Not to the talent's not great, but do you trust? your best friends. Do you trust your wife on the road in Vegas with her girlfriends after two glasses of wine? Do you trust? Trust is a big thing. Jake Laser was on Pat McAfee's, is it podcast or his YouTube show yesterday? And he says,

he doesn't think the Browns are 100% committed to Baker Mayfield. And I want to talk in facts here because you all think I hate Baker. It's not a talent issue. It's a trust issue. Baker Mayfield's pass attempts per game. as the league is now a quarterback league and a passing league. There's no teams now that run more than throw. It doesn't happen. Rams are like 65 pass, 35 run. As the league's become more quarterback-centric and more pass-happy, Baker's averaged fewer pass attempts every year of his career.

He throws now less per game than Tua. Daniel Jones, Sam Darnold. We know Carolina coaches don't trust Sam. We know Miami coaches are reluctant with Tuah. So your parents will show you as a kid how much they trust you by the responsibility they grant you. They don't want Baker throwing the ball. I don't even know if they trust him at the microphone like he gets a little snarky. Baker's issue is a trust issue.

It's not a talent issue. When Cleveland last week, I thought this was big. when they rushed to sign not one but two offensive linemen early. It told you what the GM and the coach, because they're tight, right? Andrew Barry Stefansky come in around same time. It told you who they trusted. We trust our offensive linemen. We can build around our offensive linemen.

We can pay our offensive linemen a lot. We trust they'll keep us in games, keep us competitive. Buffalo did that to Josh Allen, 40 games into his career. That's what the Chargers will do early to Justin Herbert. That's what the Chiefs did early to Patrick Mahomes. We trust Patrick. He may have slumps, he'll get out of it. So I don't know where they're at on Baker.

I think it's a 50-50 split here. If he wins the rest of the way, then they're probably going to go with it. But I do think you have to consider things like, oh my gosh, the AFC is now loaded. with good young quarterbacks. And as I name these quarterbacks, what's the word you think of? Mack Jones, you trust him not to make big mistakes. Patrick Mahomes, you trust he'll keep you in games.

Justin Herbert, trust. Lamar Jackson. By the way, these guys have different games, different sizes. Josh Allen. Trevor Lawrence, you trust his talent, will overcome some of their deficiencies. We always talk about talent that's that trust is underrated. Baker throws a really good ball.

Baker's got a quick release. He's not ideal size, but he's reckless. He can be snarky. He's always got to win the press conference. Calls out the medical staff. They're not sold on him. His talent is absolutely better than Tua. His talent is, I think, as good or better than Daniel Jones.

Trust in Cleveland with Baker. is not great because the coaches and parents will do this. They'll show you how much they trust you by the responsibility they grant you. Every year, fewer pass attempts, fewer pass attempts, fewer pass attempts, fewer pass attempts, as the league often has their best quarterbacks getting more pass attempts, more pass attempts, more pass attempts. Trust. See, I can say nice things.

That was a very nice thing to say about joy. Thank you, Colin. It was very nice of you to say. Trust. I did not know that story, genuinely. They didn't know that story. They even call Lamar Jackson Big Trust. What? They call Lamar Jackson Big Trust, remember?

Is that his nickname? Big Trust. That's what they say in Ravens. You trust you'll make a play. Yeah, I mean, it's a loose translation, yes. But, yeah, like, I trust you. You'll get stuff done. Yeah.

You're my brother. I know you're going to do what you're going to do. There you go. We got good stuff today. Greg Kosell, top of the hour. An interesting thought on Mack Jones, because the Patriots do play tonight against Atlanta. And I think it's going to be a really good game. But the Belichick Arthur Smith thing is pretty fast.

You have the greatest coach of all time. Arthur could be great. This is his first short week game. It's a lot to have to jam into a couple of days of practice. None of them in pads. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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Interesting game. Mac Jones last week had the highest passer rating of any quarterback in the NFL. And the most games with 100 plus passer rating among first round quarterbacks. Mac Jones has five. Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Tray Lance, and Justin Fields have none. So he's gotten off to a, you know, a very good spot. And, you know, we talk a lot about, I've said this before, the media like stories and interesting, what coaches like is winning. Mac Jones is never, ever going to be beloved by the media.

Brett Farv was always more quotable than Tom Brady. He was more fun to watch than Tom Brady. Brady is so much better than Brett Farv. But Farv was everybody's favorite quarterback. He's got big commercials, easy to root for, said y'all, connects with. the South, the Midwest, the coasts. Mac Jones is not quotable. He's not exciting.

And there's not going to be a lot of wow moments. It reminds me a lot of Ryan Tannahill. We never talk about Ryan Tannahill. Look how bad the Miami Dolphins are since he left. They are one of the weirdest, strangest, most inconsistent franchises in the league. With Tanna Hill, they were always about 500. It was quite an accomplishment. Ryan Tannahill, since he got to Tennessee, has won more games than any quarterback except Aaron Rogers.

He's 26 and 10, completed almost 68% of his throws, has a passer rating of 105, a 3-1 touchdown to interception ratio, and is crazy mobile. He was a former college-wide receiver. The last two years, Ryan Tannahill is unquestionably a top five quarterback. But he doesn't have any national commercials. you know what else he doesn't have an ego. He's 6'4, fast 220 to 225, and in Tennessee is sturdy, doesn't get hurt. I said this for years. Russell Westbrook is not a winning player. He's just fun to watch. Chris Paul is not that fun to watch. He's a winning player. Cam Newton's not a winning player. He's a lot of fun to watch. Ryan Tanniel's a winning quarterback. When you look at Miami

since he left, it's just been chaos. So just being 500 in Miami is an accomplishment. What would you, well, what would Tannahill be with Belichick? I mean, seriously. Could he do it? Not, maybe not, six Super Bowls. But the media tends to like interesting and fun to watch and quotable and wow moments. Westbrook's a great example.

Cam's a great example. Chris Paul's boring. But like every team he goes to, they win. And I think Mac Jones is going to win a lot of football games. He knows what he's not. It's not often what he does. It's the mistakes he doesn't make. But we have a history here.

It's called Ryan Tannahill, who is just tremendous over the last two years. You can't find a column written about him. You can't find a topic on any show that does opinions about even when we talk Tennessee. I think King Henry is that coaching staff is, boy, that front four against the Rams. It's the only good team in the league. We don't talk to our quarterback. Look at his numbers last two years. Joy with the news.

No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. What is a bigger indictment of the Miami Dolphins organization than Ryan Tanna Hill's success from Tennessee? It's really, it's not like that he's good. He's been exceptional. There's Super Bowl contenders this year.

They lost Derek Henry and haven't missed a beat. Not a beat. Not a beat. Slightly frustrating. Well, someone who is very interesting is Cam Newton, and he made a splash in his first game back with the Panthers last week, two touchdowns and on his first two snaps against the Cardinals. And there's a good chance that we'll see more from him on Sunday.

Matt Ruhl said that Cam is trending towards being the starter against Washington, but an official announcement won't be made until later this week. We'll also know they will get both Cam and P.J. Walker ready. it didn't rule out both of them playing. And of course, Cam would be starting against his former head coach in Ron Rivera, their three and a half point favorites according to Fox Bet. It is so NFL. Sometimes when you're good in business, it feels like you're getting lucky, but you're just well run.

The NFL's got so many good storylines. I get Cam against his former coach this weekend. That would be a game that it wouldn't be that captivating. I'll have to watch. You have to watch. And of course, Cam coming in and playing the way he did after being out all season, back with his former team. You're right.

You couldn't even write this. None of us saw this coming, certainly not with Carolina. I thought he would be in the league somewhere because this situation that Carolina is dealing with happens every single year. But yeah, it's interesting and exciting. Now, the Panthers are still in it.

But they kind of have a rough schedule the rest of the way. Now, obviously they have Washington this weekend and they have the dolphins and falcons, but then they have the bills, the bucks twice, and the Saints. So next three games. They're in the running.

for a playoff. It's going to get rough at the end of the season, though, so we'll see how it goes. But it is exciting, and I'm going to be watching. Not exciting. Seeawks' offense struggling this season. They have had some things to overcome, obviously, Russell Wilson being out, and Chris Carson being out for the last five games. But Pete Carroll is focused on turning things around and moving forward. We need to settle everything down and get back to the ball that we liked earlier in the year, and we thought we started to get things rolling. But it's been tumultuous. in that regard, you know. Those are just the situations he's had to deal with in Ampanese, you know, and so I'm looking forward. We've got eight weeks to do something here and see where we wind up

after that. And, you know, we need to make progress. It's been really brutal for the Coxus here. Well, I had somebody yesterday say, Colin, you're way too tough on Pete Carroll. And I said, he said, listen, they won 12 games and they won 11 the year before. And I said, I'm not disputing Pete's going to be a Hall of Fame coach. That's not it. I said, there's a weird. power dynamic in the organization when Paul Allen left. And I think Pete's got too much power right now. By the way, I complain about Belichick. I said he's got too much power. Belichick gave some of his power away in the draft this year that was written about and the Patriots had a great draft. Three of their four first picks are fantastic. A running back, a quarterback,

and a defensive lineman. So I don't think Pete's a bad coach. I think Pete is a weird power dynamic since Paul Allen passed. His sister runs the organization. And I do think, and I've said this before. I think GM is a really hard job. There's no way you can coach in GM. Well, I mean, he saw this with the Texans with Bill O'Brien. It's too much responsibility for one person. There needs to be a checks

and balances system. And when you have those jobs being separate, that exists. There's just too much to do and not enough time in the day. There's too many moving parts. It's great leaders know how to delegate and are comfortable with other people doing their job at a high level.

You don't have to get credit for everything. And sometimes I think they get into these situations because you have more power and control. So who's going to fire you when you're the one who makes all the decisions? But also, if you make all the decisions and it doesn't go well, then it also falls on you. Yeah. John Snyder is the Seahawks GM. A couple years ago, he was up for the lion's job. And one of the reasons I was told he wanted out is because he didn't get to run everything to why he didn't have all the power. GMs want to be the GM and make all the decisions. The Jamal Adams trade. That's Pete saying, we need a playmaker. You don't give up two first,

a third. I don't think you should make all of the decisions. I think it should be a partnership. Like the coach has to work with these players. But the GM should have the final say on personnel, I think. The coach should have the final say. If they're a good GM. Well, John Snyder can argue, look at the organizations I've helped build.

I agree. That's what I'm saying it should be a partnership. There should be times when you guys disagree on a player and, okay, someone gets the final say and that's that. And we'll make it work. But if you are really a well-run organization and you have the right people in place, you should be able to go out of it a little bit, argue your sides, and then decide what's best for the organization and the culture here and what we actually need to build on.

And when someone's making all the decisions and there's not anyone who can come in the room and say, hey, this is, I mean, look, we saw this with the Cowboys for years. What's happening with the Cowboys now? That things have been kind of spread around, and we know the decision-making is a little bit more fair. Actually, they're the great- Cowboys are a contender now. They're a great example. The Cowboys got four high-end starters in a two-year period in the draft.

That's what Seattle needs. They need a high-end pass rusher, a high-end corner, a high-end running back. They need to hit. That's what solved all Dallas's issues. We used to say they pay great money to good players. They got rid of Jalen Smith and they hit on four rookies in the last two years who are stars and don't pay anything too. That's what Seattle needs. Because right now, between Russell and Bobby Wagner and Jamal,

Adam's. Very expensive. And they're really thin and they get gashed. They're just not deep enough at key spots like corner and pass rusher. And they're three and six and currently the 14 seed in the NFC playoff picture. Another game and a half behind the seven seed Panthers for the final wild card cardinal's spot. So it's not over, but they have the Cardinals this weekend, still trying to find out about Kyler Murray, Washington, the Niners, Texans, Rams, Bears, Lions, and Seahawks. I'm sorry, and the Cardinals again. So they have They have a few winnable games on there, despite their situation, which is being the 17th ranked, the 30th ranked offense and the 22nd scoring offense this season.

So the Lakers lost their second straight game last night. They lost to the Bucks 109-102. Played well, but, you know, Janice had an incredible night, and so did Chris Middleton. Anthony Davis finished with 18 points, nine rebounds, and four assists, but he did not make it to the free throw line at all during the game. And Frank Vogel voiced his unhappiness afterwards. He said, I think Anthony Davis getting zero free throw.

attempts is a little bit mind-boggling. And it's something we've been communicating to the league about. The buck shot 24 free throws last night compared to 12 by the Lakers. Anthony Davis is 10th in free throw attempts per game this season. Yonnes leads the league with 9.4 per game. Well, Anthony Davis doesn't want to be a five. So when you're not willing to bang down low, you get fewer free throws. You have to create free throw opportunities.

And Anthony would rather, despite his sides, would rather be a little more of a, he likes to be away from the best. It also can affect how the referees look at you. That's right. They know that that's not what you're trying to do. So LeBron is hoping he can be back on Friday against the Celtics. He's reportedly 50-50, which means they just don't know yet. But they are looking to have him back soon.

Good stuff. Joy with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. Our guy, Monday morning quarterback, Albert Breer, nobody better at this information stuff in the NFL. Joining us now, brought to you by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing. I did think this was fascinating.

It was my lead today on the show that NFL quarterbacks, the great ones, are worth five or six points. Occasionally you'll get a DeAndre Hopkins, probably worth half a points, Stefan Diggs. The fact that Belichick takes a rookie quarterback on a short week to the road, on the road, and is a seven-point favorite. Atlanta was only an eight-point dog against an MVP-level quarterback, Dak Prescott, a loaded cowboy team. And I said, in my lifetime, that's a Belichick line.

That's a legendary coach in a short week against a rookie head coach on a short week. And if you look at Belichick's wins this year, he has crushed young coaches, but he's lost to Sean Payton to Bruce Ariens to Mike McCarthy. And I was saying, Tom Kern, a guy, you know, I asked the question yesterday. I said, you know, we got Belichick leaving this thing pretty quick. And I'm like, I don't know, I think it's getting easier. I could see him coaching for six or seven years. I really could.

Am I nuts? No, no. I mean, I've felt this way for a while, Colin, that he's going to coach, I think, relatively deep into his 70s. And, you know, I think you're right. Like, now, I don't know what it's like running an NFL operations ever turnkey, but he's got it like close enough, you know, like to the point where things sort of go as he goes. And if you look at how he spends his off season, spending a lot of time in Florida, you know, and he's working remotely. He's able to do some draft stuff from his house in Jupiter. And so, I think being able to sort of live the life of a guy in his 70s and he'll be 70 in April and still do the job he loves, I think is the best of both worlds for him. His kids work for him. I think that that's a factor too. And I think a big piece of this for him is setting the organization up in a way, well, when he walks away, part of his legacy is going to be what he leaves behind.

And now with Mack there, you know, if you can kind of get this thing going again where maybe you're in the playoffs this year and competing for a championship in 22, you know, now you're looking at maybe adding a ring or two, you know, over the next five years or at the very least making the team more competitive and then leaving a compelling product for whoever the next coach is. Do you think New England surprised a little at how quickly Mack Jones has put his brain wrapped it around this offense? No, because I think what they saw in Mac in a lot of ways was, you know, the perfect fit for their offense. And are they a little surprised as come along as quickly as it has? I think, you know, maybe like they thought that it might be a little deeper in the season that he'd be playing this way. But, you know, from what I know and how they scattered him and the information they were getting from Nick Sabin and the people in his program.

And remember, I mean, I don't know how many people know this, but Mack in essence taught the Alabama offense to Bill O'Brien. And O'Brien, of course, still has his connections in New England. And so they were getting really good information on how advanced Mac was. Now, that said, I do think there's a little bit of an acceleration of the process here in that, Like a lot of times with rookie quarterbacks calling, you'll find this with the guys who have great rookie years. If you look at Carson Wentz's rookie year in 2016, and this is how it played out.

A lot of times they'll get off to a really good start, like a four, five, six week start where the coaches are able to game it up for him a little bit, and they're able to kind of do it with smoking mirrors where the guy's playing really well and he can get some momentum. Then they hit a plateau, level off a little bit, and it takes a while for them to get back on that upward trajectory. This guy's plateau only lasted for about two weeks.

He didn't play all that well. against Carolina. They still won that game and he comes off of that. And now it looks like he's upward trending again. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. So I think they thought they'd have a pretty advanced kid making the transition from college to the pros at that position. And maybe they've even gotten a little bit more of that than they thought. You know, I was saying this as we were preparing for the show today. You would, there's certain quarterbacks. Like if you told me, yeah, Kyler Murray's injured. I'd be like, well, he runs around a lot. Lamar Jackson, oh yeah, I'd get it.

Baker Mayfield now has three injuries. He said yesterday I'm the most injured I've ever been. He's 23rd in pass attempts with arguably the best O line. And every year they're asking him to do less as a thrower. In this whole big decision of what do we do with Baker, isn't it a little alarming that he's now on a third injury this year? and he literally is 23rd in pass attempt. They don't ask him to throw much. Yeah, and here's the problem is that where his trajectory is.

We just talked about Mack. Well, Baker came out of the gate really strong. He had a really good rookie year. Second year, things went sideways on him. Freddie Kitchens was the coach that year. The whole season was a bleep show. Year three, he rebounds, but he rebounds with sort of a leash on him, right? Like, because they're running the Shanahan offense,

and he's really sort of got to find reads. and they're controlling what he does and what he doesn't do. And then this year you come back and he's banged up. And so I think he's really, you know, reaching right now a critical eight-week stretch where I think there's a lot on the line for the Browns. I think there's a lot on the line for Baker personally because, you know, I can tell you, they're comfortable giving him a contract. And I actually asked Andrew Barry, their general manager, about this in the summer.

And he said on the record, we're comfortable paying him. He wouldn't tell me to what level they're willing to pay him. And the problem now, Colin, is that this becomes a yes. or no question because if you look at the history of it young quarterbacks who are drafted as high as as baker was they either get the top of the market contract or they don't make it to a second contract almost uniformly so this is a yes or no question now for the browns and i think it's going to come down to are you willing to pay baker mayfield 40 to 45 million dollars a year and if you aren't who are you willing to put in that spot who are you willing to pay at that level which i think could wind up turning

from a Baker Mayfield question to a question of whether or not they're going to go out and get Russell Wilson or Deshawn Watson or Aaron Rogers because they believe they've got a roster that's ready to win right now. A lot of really good players in the prime of their careers. By the way, I'm going to throw this out to you.

I have said that a lot of times a company could be a house of cards and they can fool you for a long time. This happens on Wall Street and then it all crashes. And I've been critical of Seattle last two or three years. I've said the Power dynamics weird. Pete Carroll's got too much power. Paul Allen's death changed things.

John Snyder almost left the GM because he didn't have control of some personnel stuff he wanted. But all the Pete Carroll people in L.A. always ripped me and say, well, he won 12 games last year and 11 the year before. And I say, yes, but this has been going on under the surface behind the scenes for several years. And Russell Wilson's not happy. It's a top heavy roster that none of their draft picks are really playing. where are you today on Seattle this season and where they are going forward in this division? I think the problem, I think there's sort of where New England was a couple of years ago, to be honest with you, column where they've got like a core of players who are aging, who they've just been sort of holding onto and holding onto and holding onto and KJ. Wright was there,

you know, until the last off season. Bobby Wagner is still there. Russell Wilson's still there. And I think it's a roster that's in need of a reset. That's the field that I get at least, where it feels like it's time for them to say, okay, we're going to start to offload some of our older players. We're going to get young in a bunch of different spots. We're going to try to build up draft capital and we're going to rebuild this thing from the ground up because that's really the only way we can do it with the way that our salary cap is set up. So the question is, is this the offseason they do it? And is Russell Wilson willing to stick around for that? And, you know, the Patriots were lucky that they went through that a couple times and Brady stuck with them

through that a couple times. Russell Wilson's a different cat, man. Like, my understanding is, like, his whole approach to the way he was handling himself in January and February was, this is the beginning of the second half of my career. And I need to get into a place where I can play at an elite level personally, where I can set myself up for Hall of Fame induction, where I can set myself up to compete for championship. So if that was what caused the issue last year,

that Russell Wilson was asking those questions in January and February of last year, well, where are they going to be in January and February this year? Does it look like it's getting better? Yeah. Like I just, I mean, I don't know how when we look at the history of this, and that's not to say that they're in the building yelling at each other right now, but I think when we look at the history of this, like, do we think that there's any way that Russell Wilson is not going to be in that same position in January that he was last January? Right now, I just don't see it. Well, Denver and Pittsburgh, two AFC teams have very good rosters that would go after him big. And by the way, you know what, Colin, a lot of people aren't looking at like the other teams

that weren't involved last year and maybe weren't involved in the Deshaun Watson thing ahead of the trade deadline, the obvious ones, your Carolinas, your Phillies, your Denver's, you're Miami's. What about the Giants? What about the Steelers? What about the Saints? Like, there are all of these teams where you look at it, Cleveland, where it's like, yeah, they weren't involved last March and they weren't involved before the trade deadline, but could they be asking bigger questions based on where they are right now?

I think you could see a robust number of teams that could be in the market for guys like Wilson and Watson and Rogers when we get to January and February for the same sorts of reasons like L.A. was involved in it last year where you look at it and you say, yeah, we like Jared Gough, but can you take us where we want to go? I think there are going to be a lot of teams asking those sorts of questions of their own quarterbacks outside of just the teams that will obviously be looking for one. Albert Breer, Monday morning quarterback. Great seeing you, buddy. All right. Thanks, Colin.

Yeah, no, it's, you know, I said this last week. Denver is Tampa. We look at Tampa now and we're like, ah, it's ridiculous. They're loaded. They were loaded before and Tom saw it. I think Denver's loaded. I think Denver's got so much talent. And I think Pittsburgh's close to Denver where we don't have any idea how good they are because they don't have the guy. Now, the question becomes Russell Wilson would have to be the bad guy. guy here to get traded, he would have to demand it. He would have to go, what Seattle needs is actually what happened to the Cowboys.

Back-to-back drafts, they got four stars, three megastars and the kid from UCLA on the interior D-line, and that balances the books out. It's like, okay, now DAC's contract, it's fine. We've got like pro-bowlders making nothing. Seattle hasn't had that in a while. Like, D.K. Metcalf is one. They need about three more great players out of the draft and then move maybe like a Bobby Wagner and say, okay, we got Dwayne Brown, Russell, Jamal Adams, can Bobby Wagner,

I mean, I love Bobby, but like, he's been great, a lot of mileage, maybe it's time. The draft can really save you. It can get you out of spots really quickly. All you have to do is New England this year. Mack Jones hit, Mondre Stevenson hit, Baramore the DeLineman hit. Suddenly you're like, oh, we're better at quarterback running back Deline. The draft is there for a reason. You hit a couple home runs.

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